@BShark Oh, I am not saying that he is better, not by a longshot. I think that he can be, though. What if, what if,,, Silvio sticks around for two more years?
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@Kcmatt7 Even the sages of old got it wrong from time to time.... Like the time that the wicked, old one-eyed witch told the Emperor that Carthage couldn't possibly sack Rome, which is exactly what Hannibal the Carthaginian did by way of taking hordes of big tusked elephants over the alps..... They weren't able to hold it for long but it was a good idea...... We are the modern-day sages, offering insight so that you might one day have a chance at being one yourself..... I think RJ and Wilson are both coming to KU, couple them Enaruna, McBride and Braun and you have yourself a top five class.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
De Sousa = Thomas Robinson
De Sousa is a beast down low, no doubt, but he seems to be able to step out a bit, too. T-Rob couldn't do that, almost all dunk. I think De Sousa has a much higher ceiling.
HighEliteMajor said:
@Marco We won’t. He’ll be a junior. His suspension was not lifted for the past season, so he can’t count it as a redshirt season.
Yeah, but he said to continue his education.... Hell, let's get greedy, he'd still have a year of eligibility left after this coming season.
@Bosthawk Interesting. Good god man, could you imagine if we were able to have Silvio for 4 years?
FarmerJayhawk said:
Brooks over at the Memphis 247 site is saying they’re out on RJ. Just in case there was any consternation leftover. 😎😎
Two pairs of shades, huh? Hampton and Wilson.....
BShark said:
I am not sure how Braun and McBride find minutes. Maybe one but not both. And neither if Dotson, RJ and Wilson are all on the team.
Maybe in spot situations.
HighEliteMajor said:
@Marco - I said the before last season. If we had SDS to start last season, I thought we had a decent chance to go undefeated. That assumed everyone healthy, contributing, etc. I think what we saw of our team early, with Vick being a huge factor, that was possible. Of course, undefeated is a high bar, but maybe a two or three loss season was entirely reasonable.
@FarmerJayhawk @jayballer73 @BShark That is all helpful. I do like Wilson's ability to shoot the ball as being in the mix for time at the three.
I like Braun, McBride and Agbaji being able to contribute from three, as well.
BeddieKU23 said:
HighEliteMajor said:
Marco said:
cragarhawk said:
Let's just hope it's not a situation where they say "oh yeah, sure. The kid can play. Oh and by the way here's your post season ban...."
How could they? They were wrong, and the review committee all but admitted as much.
@Marco Well, quite easily. The review made Silvio eligible for the 2019-20 season. It did not suggest the 2018-19 season should not have been a suspension.
To do so would have been to allow SDS to treat 2018-19 as a redshirt year. He lost that season eligibility. He’ll be a junior not a RS sophomore.
The appeal didn’t say the NCAA was wrong suspending him, it just reduced the suspension from two seasons to the one he served. He still got a suspension (one season).
So we played an otherwise ineligible player in 2017-18. @cragarhawk hit the nail on the head regarding the next concern ... and of course, us “winning” the appeal against the same folks determining our sanctions is less than appealing (pardon the pun).
We played an eligible player. Everyone cleared him. I'm not saying that they cant go back and say he wasn't eligible, they do that. Like taking away wins from teams that already won them and then saying they don't count. It took a FBI investigation to find Silvio's issues. We stopped Billy from playing. I hope that plays in our favor. It feels as if KU would have done the same with Silvio if they were privy to the payments allegedly given to fenny
Thank you, that was my response, the NCAA cleared him to play. And he has now been cleared again. We'll get a slap on the wrist if anything, and probably won't even get that. The NCAA wants to put the shoe company genie back in the bottle as soon as possible.
@Crimsonorblue22 I've always hoped that he would, it just doesn't quite feel that he is.
Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
find it kind of funny/humorous Was scouring other fan bases/boards - - looked at K-State - - -looked at Michigan - - - Looked at N Carolina - - - -Looked at Duke - -and then I checked out Kentucky. - - Out of these , - Kentucky was the one that you can smell the fear, - -worries of what this does for KU'S season.
their whining was music to my ears, goes to show their inferiority complex showing it's ugly head , the rest of the fan boards was for the most part talking like they felt Silvio decision was the right decision - -Hell Duke fans making comments such as -The Champions Classic just became tougher - - -KU gonna be loaded - - KU Being a legit final 4 contender - -NOT KENTUCKY lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I'll take it a step further @jayballer73 and I never said this about our last team (wasn't as high on it as most). If all of the pieces fall into place - as well as an outside shot to give balance - and everyone stays healthy, I think we could win it all. Which I guess is what you are saying, right?
But we have to add two more very important pieces.... "Come on sevens....!" Roll!
jayballer73 said:
find it kind of funny/humorous Was scouring other fan bases/boards - - looked at K-State - - -looked at Michigan - - - Looked at N Carolina - - - -Looked at Duke - -and then I checked out Kentucky. - - Out of these , - Kentucky was the one that you can smell the fear, - -worries of what this does for KU'S season.
their whining was music to my ears, goes to show their inferiority complex showing it's ugly head , the rest of the fan boards was for the most part talking like they felt Silvio decision was the right decision - -Hell Duke fans making comments such as -The Champions Classic just became tougher - - -KU gonna be loaded - - KU Being a legit final 4 contender - -NOT KENTUCKY lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I'll take it a step further @jayballer73 and I never said this about our last team (wasn't as high on it as most). If all of the pieces fall into place - as well as an outside shot to give balance - and everyone stays healthy, I think we could win it all. Which I guess is what you are saying, right?
cragarhawk said:
Let's just hope it's not a situation where they say "oh yeah, sure. The kid can play. Oh and by the way here's your post season ban...."
How could they? They were wrong, and the review committee all but admitted as much.
jayballer73 said:
@BShark - HEY BUDDY you really think we can still get Wilson to come? - - -that would be incredible - -just afraid with Michigan's hire of Howard and Silvio coming back - -might just be enough to steer him away from us now - -what you think?
Wilson is a 3. I think it's looking damn good for Hampton to commit to KU Tuesday and Wilson maybe to follow suit either that Friday or the following Monday. I don't believe that he is going to make that Carolina trip.
I'm really starting to like next year's potential team..... Starting to like it an awful lot! If we land Hampton and Wilson and Dotson comes back, along with the return of Dok and Silvio good god look out!
BShark said:
Adding RJ and Wilson to the class brings it back into the top 10 nationally. Would be pretty crazy after all that went down this last year.
You can say that again.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Jalen has nothing to do with Silvio. He wants to be a 2/3, so if anything this helps the cause!
That's what I thought. And you were right about De Sousa, Farmer. I was wrong, and glad that I was.
@jayballer73 I'm not sure about that. Isn't Wilson a 3?
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk I do! Mainly bringing it up since overseas appears to be not in play anymore.
I would agree with that. ESPN would’ve told them to pound sand otherwise.
I agree, doesn't seem that he would announce on ESPN if going overseas.
The basketball gods are finally smiling down upon us.... Rock chalk!
De Sousa can play this coming season! Bigtime news!
De Sousa is eligible to play in upcoming season! And deservedly so!
bmensch1 said:
He won his appeal. Silvio is back!!!!!
That is huge! Okay, I'm back..!
BShark said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
His dad might be a pain in the rear!
There is no might about it.
He is starting to remind me alot of freaking LaVar Ball. By the way, for real guys, this recruiting season has left a bad taste in my mouth. Feel like someone has offered me a penis, and I'm not gay. I'll be back when this distasteful thing is over.
My take? A starting PG....
BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Ryan over at the Phog dropped these nuggets regarding Grimes.
Small fwiw, but if Grimes goes back to college it won't be at Kansas. Have heard it's possible he opts out and transfers, and now there are a few in the national NBA/Draft media that have mentioned it as well.
I think there's virtually no chance at him back at KU unless Dotson isn't coming back AND Hampton isn't joining the roster. Even then, I'm not entirely sure those bridges aren't burned.I feel bad for Grimes. I really do. It seems as though his inner circle is filled with delusional people who have and will continue to fail him. He should have never even declared.
This is one of my favorite movies, and this quote all too often comes to mind...
But what if this is all on Grimes himself?
I suppose it's possible. But either way, whoever raised him let him get too big headed before he ever got to KU then. There was clearly no backup plan in case he struggled.
Do you think most players in his position have the same attitude? Isn't it kind of rare to find those OAD types that have no ego and are humble? It seems rare to find them but I could be wrong. So I don't know that Q is acting any differently then most kids in his position would. I know none of us on here are experts when it comes to the draft and what these kids should do with their lives but I can't imagine many KU fans agreed he was ready to jump to the pro's. Somehow someway he and his camp thought so and now reality has started to set in...
I'm really looking forward to the OAD Rule being gone. But, of course, there are only so many teams in the NBA and eventually - yeah, I'm calling it - the player's union is going to balk at all of the young players coming in and taking away from their fat second, third and fourth contracts (forcing veterans out). Let us not forget that OADs or even kids going to the league straight out of high school is - Malone, Garnett, Kobe and LeBron aside - a relatively new thing. The league will very soon mandate that they have to be 20 or even 21 years old to enter the draft - mark it! Their product has suffered for awhile now, which is why they instituted the rule to begin with.
Texas Hawk 10 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Ryan over at the Phog dropped these nuggets regarding Grimes.
Small fwiw, but if Grimes goes back to college it won't be at Kansas. Have heard it's possible he opts out and transfers, and now there are a few in the national NBA/Draft media that have mentioned it as well.
I think there's virtually no chance at him back at KU unless Dotson isn't coming back AND Hampton isn't joining the roster. Even then, I'm not entirely sure those bridges aren't burned.This is how we got Malik Newman and that worked out okay for KU. Hopefully it works out for Grimes as well wherever he ends up.
I agree. Wish the guy the best, I really do.
KUSTEVE said:
@jayballer73 Oh. Ok. I didn't realize that had passed. So, they'll screw him by not reducing his prison sentence then.
Yeah, the NCAA totally dropped the ball on this one. I honestly thought that the suspension would be lifted. Now, it doesn't look so good. It is too damn bad, actually, that the NCAA cherry picks - and in the case of De Sousa being totally wrong - its cases. You have Arizona and LSU blatantly violating rules, yet mum.... But with De Sousa, who has denied knowledge and it cannot be proven that he is lying they give a two year ban. Nice.....
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
Just leave, already..... Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.
Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That's one of my favorite player - -don't hate the player - -hate the game - can't believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That's pretty JACKED UP padner
not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don't be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I've seen and your a KU fan? I',/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don't you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that's sad buddy = - - - I'm Done
He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.
Silvio needs to do whatever he wants. There’s nothing preventing him from playing professionally if he withdraws from the draft. There’s nothing preventing him from sitting out next year at Kansas, playing his senior year, and finishing his degree. How many better players are there in the class of 2020 than a 22 year old Silvio? Not many.
There will be quite a few actually, and unlike him they will have played for the past two seasons. It is what it is, and unlike this year's crapshoot in recruiting his situation is all but guaranteed; i.e. he will not be reinstated by the so-called independent review board.
did you not see Farmer said in the class of 2020? - -if a kid is in the class of 2020 he hasn't even stepped on the floor yet in college - Soooo they would have ZERO experience. - -Pretty sure he is talking about recruits from the class of 2020 - -
Yeah,,,,, I did. Did you? Atleast those guys would have been playing for the past two years (though only high school) unlike De Sousa. Understand? I see all the posts, and guess what? We have ALL been more wrong than right..... Come on,,,, quit.... That guy isn't going to ride the pine for yet another year and come back to play at KU..... Good god, he could make a living overseas right now.
As you say - - " GOOD GOD " - - you didn't see me say a thing about him as you say riding the pine. -- you think the kid has been just sitting around and eating Chocolate Bon Bon's during this time. - -Been well stated he worked out daily with the team this past Season - -also working out on his own. - -do you think his talent just magically disappeared - like POOF and he was a walking Waldo? - -he has been scrimmaging ALL this past season against other P-5 major caliber players - -not high School kids competing against other high school kids. - Plus I'm also talking about the appeal being granted - -which the staff is feeling more and more confident about daily.
Hell fricken no - if he isn't granted the appeal - he already said he wouldn't be back - -why would he - - but if he is granted his appeal which again obviously I feel better about it - -the staff is feeling better about it then you. - -Although these people need to get it's head out of it's ass and get the decision made - -all things they need is in -- has been in - -they screwing around with the kids future - -I think these people have a Hardon for KU and Self - -Watch they gonna keep screwin around until after the 29th - as to Where Silvio has no choice but to leave - -typical.
He has been eating chocolate bon bons, he posted a picture of him doing so on facebook.
He should have already been reinstated, they are wrongly making an example.
jayballer73 said:
rockchalkwyo said:
@jayballer73 Man you’re going all in. Haha. Hampton better not be scared by Grimes. If he is worried about PT or position competition at a college level then what’s it going to be like for him in the NBA
exactly , and I think that's why he isn't scared - you can't have that kind of mentality - if you gonna act scared or played scared then you might as well have a seat , the game will eat you up and spit you out - you have to have that edge and I think that is RJ's mentality he knows he is good and he backs it up - -difference between grimes and RJ ? - -Grimes just pretty much had his way against High School competition - -got pretty full of himself - -lazy on defense - even in High School - -never transitioned over in College - always an lay defense - and like has been mentioned - -really don't think Coach had any options last year - pretty much why he DID start as many games as he did. - -Ummmm you don't have to worry about RJ'S defense - - Difference between RJ & Hampton - -RJ is the COMPLETE player - - RJ isn't backing down from any other player - - he knows he belongs on the floor in any situation - he has that edge - smarter player then Quentin.
Now let me just say I want to apologize to people here - - I'm truly sorry let my KU emotions get carried away - getting my Crimson and Blue blood flowing - for that I apologize get carried away - - even though I'm not backing off my stance between Rj and Grimes. - -In the end I don't think it's going to be an issue coming down to Grimes and RJ cause I fully believe Grimes IS NOT coming back - he will stick with the NBA - so it won't not be an issue.
I just think a lot of my reactions is that I'm so sick and tired of this recruiting season -- ready for this crap to be over with. -one day we get the feel - -ya were in great shape -- next day -dam looks like we missed - - the next day oh we okj - -to many peaks and valleys - -ya I realize it's the case most year - -just seems like this year - it's been a lot worse - I mean here we are heading in to June and our Roster is STILL up in the air - -just to a point I'm about to say screw it and somebody holler let me know who got - - -who we don't - -when it's all over lol - -one thing I know is it wil always be a ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG DAY TO ME
I totally f-ing agree with you there. One crazy ass recruiting season. Am I wrong, or is this the craziest year ever? Arizona and LSU still popping on recruits (and they, unlike us, could be in boiling hot water), yet we struggle. Man, it has never been more obvious that the genie has left the bottle...
I guess the question is, will Howard be a good coach? That he has pull and connections in Michigan statewide there is no doubt.
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
Just leave, already..... Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.
Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That's one of my favorite player - -don't hate the player - -hate the game - can't believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That's pretty JACKED UP padner
not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don't be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I've seen and your a KU fan? I',/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don't you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that's sad buddy = - - - I'm Done
He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.
Silvio needs to do whatever he wants. There’s nothing preventing him from playing professionally if he withdraws from the draft. There’s nothing preventing him from sitting out next year at Kansas, playing his senior year, and finishing his degree. How many better players are there in the class of 2020 than a 22 year old Silvio? Not many.
There will be quite a few actually, and unlike him they will have played for the past two seasons. It is what it is, and unlike this year's crapshoot in recruiting his situation is all but guaranteed; i.e. he will not be reinstated by the so-called independent review board.
did you not see Farmer said in the class of 2020? - -if a kid is in the class of 2020 he hasn't even stepped on the floor yet in college - Soooo they would have ZERO experience. - -Pretty sure he is talking about recruits from the class of 2020 - -
Yeah,,,,, I did. Did you? Atleast those guys would have been playing for the past two years (though only high school) unlike De Sousa. Understand? I see all the posts, and guess what? We have ALL been more wrong than right..... Come on,,,, quit.... That guy isn't going to ride the pine for yet another year and come back to play at KU..... Good god, he could make a living overseas right now.
@jayballer73 I didn't say he was afraid of Grimes. We have Braun, McBride, Garrett, Agbaji, possibly Dotson and maybe - and I hope not - Grimes.... If you were Hampton, looking at what we already have - let's discount Dotson, for arguements sake - would you want Grimes to come back too?
@approxinfinity That's what I want to know, like say RJ Hampton?
@KUSTEVE I agree with you on that. I wasn't suggesting that he tell Grimes to get the hell of here, Lol.... Of course he should finesse it in such a way as to let both parties win, with the result being the same - get the hell out of here. Lol.
@BShark Do Grimes and Hampton know one another, are they close? If they are friends (given our interest in Hampton) that might explain why Self treated Grimes a bit differently than he usually does struggling players.
@Kcmatt7 You got it, and Cal at Kentucky does it all the time....
@BShark Indeed.
@HighEliteMajor And remember, Grimes was a top 10 player. If he comes back it will with everyone we already have coming back and maybe even Dotson - though that is looking unlikely - be a crowded backcourt. Hampton is a baller and doesn't care who else is at KU,,, yeah,,, yeah, alright, whatever, but of course he does.
@jayballer73 We didn't think he was a paper top 10 guy when he signed.
@HighEliteMajor Thank you.... Baller or not, that will be a crowded bench if Grimes returns and, of course, any player - bigtime player or not - will take that into account.
@jayballer73 They said the same about Grimes, remember?
Okay guys, thoughts on this year's recruiting class? We already have Enaruna, Braun and McBride, who else do you think we will add?
@FarmerJayhawk I'm saying that I don't believe he is going to be sitting on the pine for yet another season and then come back to play his senior year. That's what I'm saying. Yes, he has talent, which is why he probably will and should leave. If he decides to stick around great, but I don't see that happening.
@KUSTEVE I sure hope so.
@approxinfinity Good question.
@KUSTEVE That line-up sounds a hell of alot better than the one we currently have.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
Just leave, already..... Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.
Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That's one of my favorite player - -don't hate the player - -hate the game - can't believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That's pretty JACKED UP padner
not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don't be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I've seen and your a KU fan? I',/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don't you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that's sad buddy = - - - I'm Done
He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.
Silvio needs to do whatever he wants. There’s nothing preventing him from playing professionally if he withdraws from the draft. There’s nothing preventing him from sitting out next year at Kansas, playing his senior year, and finishing his degree. How many better players are there in the class of 2020 than a 22 year old Silvio? Not many.
There will be quite a few actually, and unlike him they will have played for the past two seasons. It is what it is, and unlike this year's crapshoot in recruiting his situation is all but guaranteed; i.e. he will not be reinstated by the so-called independent review board.
kjayhawks said:
I really feel for the kid, hes been here for over a year and a half, yet only played like 20 games. The crime doesnt fit the punishment. I've said it a million times so I'll say it again. The NCAA is the biggest legalized mob outside of the government in this country.
I am one-hundred percent in his court. He was scape-goated, unfairly made an example of with not a shred of evidence, only heresay. The NCAA (wholely independent committee doing the review, my ass) being what it is though, it is all but guaranteed that he will not be reinstated.
@KUSTEVE True.... We do... But like yourself I believe that he is all but done playing ball at KU.