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Huge stop!!!

Sean is their Bowen

Woodrow said:

There’s those receivers that can’t catch

Sims didn't drop that TD earlier today.

Carter Stanley isn't hitting that pass to Sims today.

Woodrow said:

There was only 1 dropped pass that mattered. The other “drop” was to a guy who would have been tackled for a 3 yard loss so it was a good thing he dropped it. Bender also took a sack on fourth down. He sucks. Period. End of story.

Sorry, but that's a load of bullshit. The receivers can't get open on a 4th down and that means Bender sucks? Bender isn't great, but he's nowhere near as bad as you claim.

Carter Stanley has had one good game in his career in 3 years. Stanley has a very weak arm, and no field awareness because he actually gets sacked more frequently than Bender does.

@Woodrow What team have you been watching today? Bender has made the throws he needs to make, the receivers have dropped easy passes today.

@Woodrow No they wouldn't because Stanley doesn't have arm strength to make plays throwing into this wind.

BShark said:

jayballer73 said:

and THIS IS WHY WE - - - FRICKEN SUCK

Fully expect this to end up about 28-3 now. Maybe 28-6.

28-3 you say?

@BShark The reason Beaty is finishing out the season is Bowen wouldn't be the interim so he can be let go as well after the Texas game.

@BShark Why would Bowen be retained at this point? That's a bullshit reason to cheer against KU today. And yes, it does piss me off to see someone claiming to be a KU fan cheering for KSU against KU after Beaty has been fired.

@BShark So why do you want KU to lose today when Beaty's already been fired?

@BShark Beaty's already been fired, why the hell are you excited about KSU driving?

Wasted opportunity after that kickoff

THAT'S A HUGE BREAK!!!

@jayballer73 The way KSU's offense has looked today, 3 points might be enough. I didn't have an issue with the FG in that spot because it gave KU tge lead. If KU gets in that spot again, they need to go for it to extend the lead. Getting that lead was big and I'm fine with that decision in that situation.

Should be 10-0 if Lassiter makes that catch. Could also have been 6-0 if KU didn't shoot themselves in the foot multiple times after that drop. Defense has been very good today.

Some didn't want to believe this was a really bad KSU team, but this is a really bad KSU team in all 3 phases.

@KUSTEVE Marquette is a good team, but not better than Sparty.

@justanotherfan I wouldn't have Doke on Zion at all unless he's in the paint. With a Doke, Dedric, and Silvio front court, I would've put Dedric or Silvio on Zion and let Doke and guard on one of the other bigs.

Last night was Duke's A game and it was spectacular to watch. Their A game is the best A game in the country.

They also won't do that every night. I believe it was Bill Self that said most teams play their A game 4-5 times a season, D-F game 4-5 times a year, and the rest of the season is their B-C game.

For the most part, the Silvio situation won't impact KU on the court. The one team that not having Silvio is really going to hurt Kansas is if they play Duke in the NCAA tournament. Silvio would've allowed Self to play a line up of Doke, Silvio, and Dedric against Duke's front line.

@jayballer73 Wofford is the type of team that would be a 13/14 seed in the NCAA tournament and could give someone trouble. Obviously KU shouldn't lose at home to them, but it also wouldn't be surprising if they kept it competitive for most of the night. It's one of those match ups people would be tempted to take Wofford to cover.

@BShark Xavier and Auburn should be a good one too in the first round.

That Maui field is loaded this year. Duke going through Auburn and then Gonzaga is going to be 2 great games for Duke. A Duke/Gonzage game is a potential Final Four match up as well.

Kansas and Duke are the clear cut 2 best teams. Been saying this since the summer.

@kjayhawks Lynn Swann has been the AD for 3 years and wasn't brought in because of the football team being bad. Helton won't get fired for this year. Another year or two like this though would be another story.

@kjayhawks USC won't be open this year. They're having a down year, but it won't be enough to get rid of Helton.

There won't be a top tier job open this season. Michigan is the one that could be open if Harbaugh doesn't beat OSU, but I'm skeptical of it happening this year. North Carolina might be the best job that comes available this year.

The next coach is going to be Les Miles. The people that expect him to replicate his LSU success will be in for a disappointing tenure because that won't happen. Miles replicating what he did at Oklahoma State is a realistic possibility. While OSU wasn't in the same boat KU is in now, they weren't a good program when he took over. An occasional 7 or 8 win season mixed in with a lot of 3 and 4 win seasons was the better part of OSU's recent history prior to Les Miles.

Next year, the defense will take a step back because of what they're going to lose along the front 7. The secondary will be the strength of the defense next year.

The offense won't be exciting because Miles runs a pro style offense, but he will at least be able to get the ball to Pooka in open space via screens and read options with Stanley or Kendrick at QB next year.

@Gorilla72 Les Miles has known Jeff Long for a very long time going back to their days at Michigan together. Les Miles is going to be the next head coach at KU.

@mayjay KU hasn't been making a lot of those mistakes this year though. KU has been middle of the pack in penalties this year.

KU left 21 points on the field today with the Robinson and Booker drops early in the game and the last two drive they couldn't score from the 1.

Defense actually played pretty well outside of those two TD's in the first quarter.

@kjayhawks Beaty didn't use 2 timeouts in the first 7 minutes though. On that last drive when KU got their FG, they had 2 timeouts left. The refs stopped one of those plays to review the spot, that wasn't a timeout in the first quarter.

If you want blame the procedure of getting the plays into the offense and not giving Bender enough time to make pre snap reads, along with other clock and game management issues, those 100% fall on Beaty and the staff and I will never argue differently about those issues.

I will however always blame the player and not the coach for penalties like false starts, illegal formations, offsides on the defense, because those are penalties that result from the player making a mental mistake because they aren't focused. That's not something a coach can do for a player.

@kjayhawks Number of penalties committed has very little to do with KU's W-L record this year. KU has actually been middle of the pack in that regard this year. Not knowing a snap count or where to line up in a formation is not an indictment on Beaty's ability as a coach. Here's a few teams that are currently sub 100 in most penalties per game, but are still in contention to win a conference title: Michigan (106), UCF (109), Texas (113), Washington St. (115), San Diego St. (116), Ohio St. (119), Florida (124), and Cincinnati (125).

Even in the NFL, the two most penalized teams (Steelers and Chiefs) are currently leading their divisions.

David Beaty isn't going to lose his job over the mental mistake penalties that have plagued KU today. He's going to be fired because he has failed at coming up with effective game plans that can win games. He has also demonstrated a lack of patience with his coaching staff to keep those who haven't left for other jobs stay in their roles a develop that stability that is necessary to win. It's not a coincidence that KU's best position group is the position where KU has had the same guy for 3 years and that's Tony Hull with the running backs.

@kjayhawks If there's not a specific snap count said in the huddle, then it's on whatever their normal call is.

@kjayhawks There's plenty of teams that make those same kind of mental mistakes that KU has made today. Those teams are also at the bottom of their conference standings as well.

There's a reason why coaches get so livid over those kind of mistakes and not the physical mistakes. False starts, offsides, illegal formations are the penalties that frustrate coaches the most because those are mental errors on the end of the player because the player didn't know what he was doing.

@kjayhawks A coach can tell a player a snap count all day long and what the formation is all day long. A coach can't be on the field during a game though. At some point, a player has to know what they're doing when it matters. Mental mistakes like not knowing a snap count or a formation fall 100% in the player because that means the player doesn't know what he's doing.

I coach 8th grade football right now. Players who can't figure out a snap count or where to line up don't see the field much because I can only tell them I-Right, Shotgun left, Pistol-flex so many times before they're expected to know where to line up when they hear the formation without the coach telling them where to line up.

@kjayhawks Explain how not knowing the snap count or what the formation is falls on Beaty? Those are mental mistakes that fall 100% on the player at every level of football. When Bender calls the play and someone lines up wrong, that's on the player, not the coach.

If it was penalties such as holding or other physical mistakes, then that's on the coaching staff to teaching a poor technique.

Robinson is having a horrible game so far.

@kjayhawks The pre snap penalties aren't poor coaching. Those are on the players not knowing the snap count or the formation. Those aren't on Beaty.

Way too many drops and mental mistakes today so far today on offense.

2 dropped TD's on that drive. Offensive play calling hasn't been bad today, receivers just aren't making some catches they should be.

Robinson blew that one. Pretty good summary of Kabsas football.

Clint Bowen's defense is back to normal today.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

It could be a Duke fan. I've been noticing a lot more of them lately, claiming that Duke could beat the Phoenix Suns by 10, or that they are going to blow out Kentucky on Tuesday.

I actually really wouldn't be shocked if Duke blew UK out on Tuesday. I've thought for a long time that Kansas and Duke are on their own level this season and the clear cut 2 best teams in the country.

BShark said:

If I am Self I am rolling with Moore, Dotson, Garrett, Vick, Mitch, Dedric and Doke in big games.

No Grimes?

When is the last time KU has looked great in an exhibition game?

There's so many new faces this year and only the second time they've played against someone other than themselves. This happens everytime there's a lot of turnover on the roster.

There will also be times that KU looks bad early in the season because that's what Self teams do. This team was voted preseason #1 for a reason and they will look the part soon enough.

@justanotherfan Snyder did make an effort in the late 90's and early 2000's to go after a lot more 4 and 5 star players. Those players largely had no interest in coming to KSU and led to their slide after 2003 and Snyder's first retirement.

BShark said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@BShark Have you seen a KSU game this year? They're legitimately worse than KU this year. Their offense is worse than KU's, their defense is worse than KU's, this is probably the worst KSU has been under Snyder since his first season there.

Let's have this conversation after KSU drills KU.

Again, have you actually watched KSU play? Their QB play is just as inept as KU's this year. They aren't capable of drilling any B12 program this year, including KU.

kjayhawks said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Not a factual statement on the scholarship numbers, they likely will be worse after he leaves with his Juco and grad transfers. Tom Keegan ran an article on this earlier this season. Beaty has done very little to nothing in 4 years. A coach with a brain takes this roster bowling.

Keegan is also full of crap on the numbers because of his personal agenda against Beaty. Tait is the guy who presented the most realistic take on the scholarship situation at the beginning of the season and it was quite a ways off of what Keegan claimed. Take anything Keegan or Benton Smith say about Beaty with a grain of salt because they have been on an extreme anti-Beaty crusade ever since Beaty essentially pulled their media credentials and called them out on their reporting last year.

Matt Tait is the guy who still has access to KU football at the LJW so he's the best source of information from them at this point.

@BShark Largely depends on who the next hire is. I still believe Les Miles is Long's top target and if he is the hire, KU won't have many players transfer out.

The defense does probably regress next year because of how much they'll lose up front, but the secondary will return mostly intact so it won't be as bad as it could be.

The offense should be better because there will most likely be a mobile QB starting next season and most of the OLine will be back as well. The OLine coach will be the most important hire for the next coach because there us talent on the OLine, they just need a coach to develop that talent.

I do believe KU can get to 6 wins next year with the right coach and coaching staff. There's some good pieces to build around with this team.

@BShark He's the lowest paid coach in the B12, Zenger went cheap with the hire and got what he paid for.

Despite what you think, the scholarship situation us in much better shape than when he got here and won't take the next coach as long to fix because only last year's class is way out of balance on JuCo's which wasn't his original plan, but an adjustment after a lot of his HS commits backed out. The next coach will only need 2 years to fix the current scholarship issues, not 5 like Beaty did. Weis is the one to blame for KU's current scholarship mess much more so than Beaty is.

@Crimsonorblue22 Didn't see much of it, probably why they won. Last time I didn't see a KU game was the 2016 Texas game.