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Big 12 up! • Jan 15, 2018 05:42 PM

The Big 12 isn't up. There are currently 6 teams under .500 in the league, that's not scary depth. The Big 12 is going to end up with 5 teams at most in the tournament and possibly only 4 teams this year.

I know Borzello is trying to hype up the Big 12 ahead of the Kansas/WVU game, but the Big 12 has 4 tournament locks, 2 bubble teams, and 4 teams playing out the season. KU, OU, Tech, and WVU are locks. TCU and Texas are bubble teams and I don't know if either of them will get in at this point, TCU has the much better chance at getting in. Baylor, ISU, KSU, and OSU have no chance at making the tournament without winning the Big 12. When 40% of your conference is out of the running for a tournament birth in mid January, that's not good.

As far as the other major conferences go, the ACC still has 12 teams that can play their way to an at large bid and only 3 teams that have no chance at making the tournament this year. Obviously, that doesn't mean they will get 12 in, but I think they can get 9, possibly even 10 teams in the tournament.

The SEC is the conference that should be labeled the deepest league in the country. They have 8 teams in the RPI top 40 right now, 11 in the top 60, and 13 in the top 75. I would realistically say the SEC has 8 locks at this point with 4 more teams on the bubble.

The SEC is the deepest league in the country to me with only Vanderbilt being a bad team. The other 13 teams in the league can beat anyone else in the league when the other team has an off night.

I'm sorry, but the analogy of coaches leaving for another school before their contract is up and players transferring is a load of crap. They are not analogous situations. Coaches can get fired before their contract is up for not performing to expectations. If a player underperforms to expectations, he loses playing time, but he is still on scholarship at the program.

I'm fine with the graduate transfer amendment to allow a player to finish his scholarship and I would even go so far to say they should allow all programs to do that for players even if they aren't a graduate transfer.

@truehawk93 This is the risk you take when you do something stupid. Billy obviously did something that's not on the up and up and now he's dealing with the consequences. He's also now learning the invaluable life lesson that his bad choices will impact others besides himself. His bad decision is hurting the team that offered him a free education while trying to prepare himself for an NBA future. That's not even factoring in that Billy is hurting NBA future by not getting game minutes against other future NBA players.

2 Coaches fired • Jan 13, 2018 09:25 PM

These were the two most needed changes other than replacing Bowen which unfortunately isn't going to happen.

Silvio • Jan 13, 2018 09:23 PM

Silvio wasn't great, but he was productive and didn't hurt KU in his few minutes. He looked like he belonged which is something to build on for him. He'll only get better the more he practices and plays in games and should be able to give KU a solid 8-10 minutes by the end of the year.

Malik Newman traveled on those FT's, hehe!

Silvio • Jan 13, 2018 04:13 PM

Self has already said he'd trust Silvio in a close game midway through the second half, not yet in crunch time though so I think we can reasonably expect to see DeSousa play a few minutes today to get his feet wet.

Daniel Wise returning for senior season • Jan 11, 2018 02:52 AM

Headline says it all. 1st team All-B12 DT Daniel Wise is returning fir his senior season.

This is a bigger deal for the defense than the Dorance Armstrong decision was. Not necessarily because Wise is a better player than Armstrong, but because Wise was much bigger question on his draft status than Dorance was. Dorance is going to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick so it was assumed he'd be gone and most had made peace with that. Wise is a bigger deal because he was a question mark and his return gives KU a dominant DT that will let Dineen roam and will allow the other DLinemen to operate in 1 on 1 scenarios because Wise will be seeing the double and triple teams Dorance saw last year.

Tough News for Texas • Jan 10, 2018 11:47 PM

Tough news for Jones as he's a helluva player. Hope you Hook Cancer to use UT's expression.

The next 9 games • Jan 09, 2018 05:26 PM

This is the easiest week of KU's Big 12 schedule because they're playing 2 of the 3 worst teams in the league at home. If they don't go 2-0 this week, finishing at or near .500 in the league becomes a possibility.

No NEWS! Per Bill Self • Jan 09, 2018 12:16 AM

@justanotherfan Recruits stay off of posting on boards like this. A lot if them though do regularly visit these type of sites to get a better feel for the mood fan base.

@justanotherfan With football recruits, it tends to be the skill position players that can play and be productive early on because those positions don't require the physical development that linemen need.

Dorance is an outlier because he had a great season at DE as a true sophomore which is not normal.

His name is Mitch. • Jan 07, 2018 10:20 PM

@HighEliteMajor I actually don't think it would go much at the 4. Self is a coach that likes to switch everything on defense and a lot of teams love using a stretch 4 to try and free up a post player inside. If Mitch switches to the post, he'll still have a lot of chances at blocks.

todays games • Jan 07, 2018 04:32 AM

BShark said:

truehawk93 said:

Marcus= boards

He is great at everything but putting the ball through the hoop.

That'll come with time and experience.

todays games • Jan 07, 2018 04:11 AM

truehawk93 said:

KU has got to hit FTs. TCU will foul Doke everytime.

If they want to run over to the KU bench to do that, I'd be cool with it at this point.

todays games • Jan 07, 2018 04:10 AM

truehawk93 said:

Losing this from the stripe.

Nope, losing it on the glass.

todays games • Jan 07, 2018 04:04 AM

Rebounding is still a huge issue though. TCU currently has more offensive rebounds than KU has defensive rebounds. KU is -14 on the glass right now for the game.

todays games • Jan 07, 2018 04:02 AM

Cunliffe has been very solid tonight as well. I'd rather see him as the guard off the bench instead of Newman, but I wonder what that what do to Newman's confidence, or of that would light a fire under his butt to play better.

todays games • Jan 07, 2018 03:22 AM

@truehawk93 Newman is still in his MSU mindset of thinking he has to carry a team when he's on the floor, I think.

todays games • Jan 07, 2018 03:21 AM

Observations today:

Unless the Chiefs are playing a team from Houston in the playoffs, bet on them to lose.

Trae Young is the best offensive player in the country, but he's also OU's only offensive threat. OU also does not play any defense.

Duke also does not play a lick of defense this year.

Missouri, the end of that game was enjoyable.

Kansas really needs Texas A&M to stop their free fall so KU can get another quality non-conference win at the end of this month.

todays games • Jan 07, 2018 03:15 AM

@truehawk93 He's a ball rotation killer on offense and non existent on defense.

todays games • Jan 07, 2018 03:13 AM

@wissox I've logged in there a couple of times, the delay on my feed resulted in me seeing too many spoilers

todays games • Jan 07, 2018 03:01 AM

Did I just see Newman make a pass?

todays games • Jan 07, 2018 12:56 AM

BeddieKU23 said:

We will see we are the clear underdog. Have to hope self lit a fire under them

According to Vegas, KU is a 2 point favorite against TCU.

todays games • Jan 07, 2018 12:55 AM

@Jayballer54 UNC lost to a higher ranked team on the road today, Not the worst loss a team could take.

Billy Momma Drama • Jan 06, 2018 06:45 PM

This current look at me culture in sports can be traced directly to Muhammad Ali. Others that have a big influence would be Ricky Henderson, Deion Sanders, Michael Jordan, and Shaq. The difference between these guys and regular athletes is they could back up everything they said they are all hall of famers.

It is beyond ridiculous now and a perfect example would be from the 76ers-Pistons game a couple of nights ago. Andre Drummond actually tried to shush the crowd after he made two FT's. That's a big deal for Drummond because he's in the Shaq range of terrible FT shooting, but the real issue is that at the time, the two FT's cut the 76ers lead to 30. That's right, Drummond was trying to shush the crowd when his team was down 30 points.

Dorance will likely be a 2nd or 3rd round pick barring any surprises at the Combine or his Pro Day.

Daniel Wise is the other guy to keep an eye on as he's also on some NFL radars. He's much less likely to go, but we'll know by Jan. 15 if he's going pro or not.

Billy Momma Drama • Jan 04, 2018 10:42 PM

Gunman said:

Innocent until proven guilty. Isn't that what makes our country judicial system stand out?

This isn't a legal case though and the NCAA doesn't have the same rules as our court systems do.

Self's Worst Team at KU • Jan 04, 2018 01:02 AM

@BigBad What relevance does your statement have to the context of point I was making with that statement? Where in my post did I even attempt to make a comparison between Malik Newman and Frank Mason?

My was about comparing KU's bench talent this year to KU's bench talent during the 2012 season. It was comparing the talent level of Marcus Garrett and now Malik Newman to Connor Teahan, comparing Mitch Lightfoot and Sam Cunliffe to Kevin Young and Justin Wesley.

Maybe you should read the entirety of the statement for the context instead of reading something and making an u related point about a statement out of context.

Texas Down, Four to Go Until Morgantown • Jan 03, 2018 10:09 PM

@nuleafjhawk And yet, playing with the 1st team, they've played about the same amount at their current schools.

I'm not saying Newman is going to end up living up to his hype, but I think it's also be underestimated how little time he's actually spent running Self's system which everyone can agree is a fairly sophisticated system which is why we don't see many freshmen or new players have an immediate impact for Self.

Self's Worst Team at KU • Jan 03, 2018 10:04 PM

@BigBad Yes, I absolutely believe this team has more talent than the 2012 team. Having more talent does not mean they are a better team than 2012 though.

Comparing talent levels is more than looking at the top of the rosters. You have look at the roster from the top to the bottom of the roster. The top of the 2012 roster may have had more talent than this team, but the bottom of this roster is far more talented than 2012.

Marcus Garrett was a highly sought after player, now with Newman coming off the bench, he was recruited by everyone out of high school. Mitch Lightfoot was a well regarded recruit coming of high school. And Sam Cunliffe was a 4 star recruit out of high school as well.

In 2012, KU had a walk on as the first guy off the bench (Connor Teahan) and a guy who had been out of basketball for a year (Kevin Young) along with a transfer from Lamar (Justin Wesley)

Tell me which bench sounds better to you? Newman/Garrett, Mitch Lightfoot, and Sam Cunliffe or Kevin Young, Connor Teahan, and Justin Wesley?

Texas Down, Four to Go Until Morgantown • Jan 03, 2018 09:45 PM

@HighEliteMajor I would argue he's actually spent much less than a year in Self's system. He was running the scout team during his transfer year, he wasn't running KU sets, he was running opponent plays on both ends of the floor. He also likely was running the point on scout team instead of playing off the ball like he is now.

Preparing for the Italy trip would've been the first time Newman was really running KU sets with the first team outside of watching some film study sessions.

Texas Down, Four to Go Until Morgantown • Jan 03, 2018 07:52 PM

@HighEliteMajor I think Newman is a selfish player because that's what he had to be at Mississippi St. He was also far and away the best player on scout team last year so he's had a lot of experience being a ball dominant player his first two years in college. Now he's in an off ball role with a lot of talent around him and he hasn't made the switch mentally that he doesn't have to do everything and that he needs to defer to other players.

Self's Worst Team at KU • Jan 03, 2018 07:48 PM

Yes, this appears to be the worst team Self has had. I would say the 2012 Final Four team was Self's least talented team and prior to this year, I would say that Wiggins/Embiid team was the worst team because of how inexperienced that group was.

I would put this team near the bottom of list as far as talent goes and I think this may end up being the worst team Self has had at KU.

@Blown I would just about guarantee Self absolutely went off on the team in the locker room at some point tonight. He looked pretty pissed off most of the game tonight and I'm assuming their lack of effort was why.

Tonight wasn't KU getting beat by a better team, this was straight up a lack of effort which is absolutely within the player's control and something Self will peel the paint off the walls about with his team.

Self apparently won't publicly throw this team under the bus, but after tonight, they need to be thrown under the bus. The lack of effort was the biggest culprit tonight which is inexcusable at any point in time because it's the one thing that is always within a player's control.

39 rebounding opportunities on Tech's end. KU got 21 and Tech got 18 of them. That really is just an effort issue beyond anything else. Not going to win with effort like that.

Graham and Cunliffe are only two trying tonight.

@Jayballer54 2 points

No effort tonight. Lack of defense and effort really shows in the rebounding tonight. 18 offensive rebounds for Tech in 39 chances with 2 minutes left.

It was also caused by a poor shot from Newman, surprise surprise.

Can Newman just not shoot any more 3's? His bricks are absolute momentum killers.

Tech is +10 in rebounds and getting almost 50% of their misses with 9 offensive rebounds in 19 chances (KU has 10 defensive boards). This is an effort issue more than anything else on defense. Somebody has to want to play defense and motivate the rest of the team because whatever Self and staff have told them repeatedly clearly isn't working

For HEM • Jan 03, 2018 02:54 AM

@Gunman KU has only had 4 coaches since WWII that have seen a senior class graduate that they recruited. Lack of action is not the issue, lack of patience is the issue in allowing a coach to build a team.

Duke, another perennial doormat allowed David Cutcliffe time to build even through regression in years 3 and 4 and now he has them making bowl games just about every year.

For HEM • Jan 03, 2018 12:10 AM

Alright @HighEliteMajor, you wanted for why I think Tom Keegan is creating a false narrative about David Beaty so here it is. This is not about whether or Beaty should be retained or not because all the evidence says that he shouldn't have been, but I believe I know what the real logic in the situation is instead of what Zenger and Girod have said.

Realistically, I think Beaty is already a lame duck coach that was retained to finish getting the scholarship numbers back to an FBS level which is in the upper 70's to low 80's for most programs. I believe this was the class that put KU within reach of that goal and the next coach can finish the job. I also believe that with the way KU's schedule is set up next season, David Beaty has 6 games to prove himself for the remainder of the season. KU plays their first 6 games, has an off week, and then 6 more games to close out the season. If Beaty doesn't show something in those first 6 games, I believe he will get fired the day after game 6 (@West Virginia). I think it will take at least a 2-4 mark in those games and 4 wins overall to even be considered for year 5.

As for Keegan, it really boils down to two points that he's trying to drive home again and again in his crusade to get David Beaty fired which he claims should have happened after the 2016 season after only 2 years that I have a big issue with.

The first is the narrative that Keegan claims David Beaty is deliberately going after a high volume of JuCo recruits in an effort to win now at the expense of continuing to build a foundation of mostly HS recruits. On the surface, this doesn't sound bad because a look at KU's current class would certainly appear to reflect that position. 9 out of the 14 kids who sent in LOI's during the early signing period were JuCo kids.

Where Keegan's narrative falls flat on its face of accusing Beaty of employing the exact same recruiting strategy of Weis by deliberately loading up on JuCo players is a look at KU's recruiting class back in June. At that point, KU had 14 verbals I believe and at that point, 11 of those players were HS recruits. Does that sound like a coach setting out to take shortcuts? Once the HS players started decommitting, I believe Beaty was pretty much SOL on the HS recruits at that point because of the on field product which I suspect is a large reason many of the HS kids backed out of their KU verbals. At that point, Beaty was left with 3 options. The first option is to stick to your guns on HS recruits and start loading up on 2 star kids that would likely only have 1 P5 offer and that would be from Kansas. Option two would be to not replace those decommits at all because Beaty wants to primarily land HS kids worthy of P5 offers, but since they don't want KU for the most part, Beaty doesn't replace them. The third option, which is the one Beaty chose, was to find the best available players regardless of the HS or JuCo label and fill the class.

My point that I called Tom Keegan out about on his signing day article in which he blasted Beaty for copying the Weis philosophy was the David Beaty didn't go into the 2018 class with the goal of signing a JuCo heavy class. He did so out of desperation because of the decommitments and didn't want to end up with a 4 or 5 man class or a class loaded with 2 star kids.

It basically comes down to Keegan calling Beaty a liar for going back on his recruiting goals and me telling Keegan that Beaty went JuCo have because of necessity, not intent.

My second issue with Keegan is that he's tried on multiple times to compare KU's situation to that of UCF because each program went 0-12 in 2015. My call out of him was that the UCF rebuild that Scott Frost inherited had very little in common with the KU rebuild Beaty inherited because of each programs recent history.

KU has been a program in much turmoil for the better part of a decade now with Mangino, Gill, and Weis prior to Beaty. UCF was a very stable program with George O'Leary having been the coach at UCF for the previous decade at UCF. On field results prior to 2015 are where I have the biggest issues with the comparisons. In 2013 just 2 years prior to UCF's 0-12 season, they were 12-1 and beat Big 12 champs Baylor in the Fiesta Bowl. That was 5 seasons ago which means that UCF's redshirt seniors this year experienced a major bowl game as true freshmen. Even if they were redshirting that year, they still practiced and worked out and played a major role as the scout team that helped UCF win the Fiesta Bowl. KU's redshirt seniors this year experienced a 3-9 season in their true freshman season and that was their high point for wins.

In the past 9 years (when the Mangino situation occurred), UCF has won 4 C-USA/AAC titles and played for 5th. They've been to bowl games in 7 of the past 9 years. KU has won 19 games in the past 9 seasons, including Mangino's 5-7 mark in 2009.

My point to Keegan was this, the situations are not comparable because UCF's 0-12 season in 2015 was a blip on the radar while KU's 0-12 season was symbolic of the issues KU has had this decade because UCF has a long track record of success, even if it was/is in a lesser conference, while KU has been a historic doormat since WWII.

I know that's pretty long winded, but basically I believe Keegan is creating a false narrative to distorting reality to suit his agenda of over the top bashing of David Beaty by painting false picture of how the 2018 recruiting class has ended up where it is and by implying that turning around KU should have been just as easy as turning around UCF was. I know Beaty isn't the most open with the media, so I suspect Keegan's intense dislike of Beaty stems from this and I believe Keegan is abusing his position as a result.

Now here is some interesting comments • Jan 01, 2018 01:15 AM

@DoubleDD Nobody is saying Mitch should've redshirted this year. Next year is when he may need to. Mitch is a Jayhawk through and through and his effort plays are infectious, but his talent level just isn't that high. Next year when KU had both Lawson, DeSilvio, and David McCormack roaming the paint, Mitch likely wouldn't see many minutes next year beyond mop up time.

You redshirt him next year, he still has two years to play when KU will need his leadership and he'll be close to ceiling as a player and can contribute much more than what he does now.

No More Undefeateds • Dec 31, 2017 11:04 PM

@kjayhawks OU is 318th out of 351 teams in points allowed per game. They don't play defense.

If you think Bill Self doesn't like the idea of letting a star get his and focus on the other 4 on the floor, I would highly recommend you check your history about KU facing players of this caliber. Kevin Durant, Michael Beasley, and Buddy Hield are the three best college players Self has faced in the Big 12. Go look at how KU went 5-1 in those games against those players.

No More Undefeateds • Dec 31, 2017 08:53 PM

Stopping Trae Young is not the key to beating Oklahoma. Especially since KU doesn't have a defender good enough to stop him.

OU's weakness is their defense. They are sub 300 in ppg allowed at 80 points allowed. That's how you beat Oklahoma, you outscore them which this KU team is more than capable of doing.

Dok's back... • Dec 31, 2017 08:10 PM

@JayHawkFanToo Guess what happens when you don't drive the ball to the basket?

You don't draw fouls. This team is comprised of jump shooters and when Azubuike gets it down low, teams aren't fouling him because he can finish through contact.

It's not really a secret to anyone but you apparently that this team's style of play doesn't draw many fouls.

Dok's back... • Dec 31, 2017 05:07 AM

@JayHawkFanToo Svi picked up his 4th pretty late in the game and not at a point where Self had to sub him. Most of their FT's also did not come as a result of them being in the bonus. They were fouls at the rim.

Gotta strap it up fell'as • Dec 31, 2017 12:00 AM

AsadZ said:

Trae is a special player, I will get heat on saying it here, he is the most talented guard in Big 12.

Change Big 12 to Division 1 and you're right. Kid will be a star in the NBA.