JayHawkFanToo said:
If everybody that is eligible to come back does, including Newman, Vick and Udoka, who do you see being in the starting 5?
If all eligible players return which looks like to most likely scenario at the moment to me, I would say that the starting line up would be Newman, Vick, Dedric Lawson, Azubuike with Moore at the PG spot early until Dotson learns the ropes.
There's nobody left in 2018 or 2019 that could reclassify into 2018 that I would rather have than what KU currently has already. KU next year with everybody back who is eligible is the odds on favorite to win the title and would have a shot at going undefeated.
We would be talking about some extremely talented players riding the bench next year if everyone returns. Charlie Moore likely rides the bench, David McCormack likely rides the bench, Lightfoot rides the bench and potentially redshirts, Cunliffe would likely ride the bench. Marcus Garrett possibly rides the bench. It's also entirely possible KJ Lawson or one of the freshmen guards ends up on the bench.
@Jayballer54 If Silvio plays more than 4-5 minutes at this point, his inexperience will start hurting KU on the floor. That stretch he plays in the middle of the first half is maximizing his worth to KU at this point. Mitch is still the much better option at this point. Right now, it's all about getting Silvio acclimated to D1 ball which doesn't happen in a couple of weeks.
Silvio is a work in progress. He's not going to be a high impact guy this year. He adds depth to give Azubuike a breather. His job at this point is to go in and keep his man from scoring and get a rebound. He's not in there to score points, he's not in there to make big plays. He's in there solely to do dirty work while Doke gets a breather.
Unless KU blows somebody out sometime between now and the end of the season, DeSousa won't see double digit minutes and probably doesn't see second half minutes either.
Kcmatt7 said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I'm sure the boys and girls club hated the $2.5M they received from that 🙄
Yet he still came across like an ego maniac and has repeatedly run players and coaches out of Cleveland.
Kcmatt7 said:
@JayHawkFanToo True statement. One of the most unselfish players on the court, and seemingly one of the more moral players off.
I really would like to know the reasons for which you don't like LeBron.
LeBron comes across as one of the most petty and disingenuous players in the NBA. Having a TV special to announce a decision on where to play, that's just an ego play and that he's about to leave Cleveland again after this year.
@BShark At this point in the season, their record isn't deceiving. They're 6-7 since December started and 0 quality wins in that time frame. They looked like a Final Four team in November, but haven't done anything since then.
BShark said:
I think we are looking at a 3 game losing streak before rebounding against Oklahoma State.
So KU is getting ready to lose in Allen Fieldhouse to a team tied for last in the SEC?
Who's peeing in your cereal every morning for you to keep saying KU is going to lose just about every game this year?
DanR said:
Hey @Big-Clyde52 I doubt we'll see the same scenario again. Was there some reason why Devonte couldn't take it right to the rim while Doke was planted in the corner on those four possessions? ...I think we can exploit the poke-a-doke strategy better than we did tonight.
Why wouldn't opposing teams use the Poke-a-Doke strategy in close games late? OU brought a bench warmer in specifically to foul Doke to put him on the line. They fouled Doke as soon as the ball was brought across half court. This wasn't a case of OU waiting for Doke to catch the and foul, they were fouling him when he was out on the perimeter doing nothing but standing there.
If I'm A&M's coach or any other coach and KU has a small lead late, I'm fouling Doke and putting him on the line as much as possible and I'm bringing in a walk on for that specifical purpose.
Yes, Self cost KU this game. If you want to keep Doke in until you're in the bonus, that's fine. Keeping Doke in after that, not fine, especially on a night like tonight when he couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. Especially considering the defense isn't a big drop off to Lightfoot and Lightfoot is an 82% FT shooter on the year. Even with a much smaller sample size, Lightfoot is the far better end game player on offense for KU because of his much superior FT shooting.
@Kcmatt7 My strategy isn't giving him whatever he wants, it's taking away everything but the bombs. You back off of him, it takes away his ability to drive. You guard his teammates and it takes away his ability to pass. That leaves him to deep shoot 3's all night which he hasn't been making the last few weeks.
It's 7th place hosting last place, not exactly a marquee match up tonight.
I would play off of Trae Young and bait him into taking those deep bombs. Don't let him drive and get our bigs in foul trouble. Defend the rest of the team and make Trae Young win the game on his own. If he does, tip your cap to him and tell him good game. Young hasn't shown the ability to win games on his own recently though so I would take my chances by forcing Yo mug into being a 1 man show tomorrow.
BShark said:
I hope he doesn't to be clear. I mean how much would he have to hate it here to give up a year of eligibility and sit out again? That's pretty rough.
I'm interested to see how it all shakes out this off season.
He could end up being a graduate transfer if he never moves into the rotation or starts.
ESPN is probably the least accurate of the 3 major recruiting services. It was Rivals for awhile and then I believe most of their top guys moved to 247 which has become the best respected of the 3.
dylans said:
I liked when the beware of the phog banner was a ratty old sheet stapled to the wall.
That banner is still hanging in the Booth Hall of Athletics.
Gunman said:
@mayjay First they have no idea how it is spelled unless they have closed captioning turned on. What does closed captioning show for Phog anyway?
Lot's of fans probably don't know about the electronic sign Beware of the Phog. I remember when it was taped to the glass.
When did the Pay Heed banner become electronic? It was still that vinyl banner that replaced the original banner when I was there last summer.
Gorilla72 said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@jaybate-1.0 KUAA is doing what they can to try and keep the person from screwing this up and there is a lot of frustration that the person in question isn't quite grasping to magnitude of what he's trying to do and the impact it could have.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Your comment is present tense. Are you talking about the Preston situation and there’s a smoking gun? Or is another player potentially jeopardized?
I'm talking about Grimes.
@jaybate-1.0 KUAA is doing what they can to try and keep the person from screwing this up and there is a lot of frustration that the person in question isn't quite grasping to magnitude of what he's trying to do and the impact it could have.
@HighEliteMajor It's a booster trying to get in close with the family. That's as much detail as I can give.
I can also tell you for a fact that even if high ranking alumns don't post here, or at acknowledge they are, they do monitor all major KU sites, including this one.
BeddieKU23 said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I for one could care less about his story.
Now we wait til the big dave saga starts. Odds are he's not as good of character as we think? Hopefully kidding when I say that
I know you are joking but he seems like a good kid that plans to be here 4 years. Haven't read any of the crap I read about Diallo, Alexander or Preston leading up to and after their commitments...
I'm totally joking but who can blame the Track record we are on with burger boy mess ups
I can't go into details, but Grimes is the one I'd be most concerned with out of this class.
I can't go into detail but that's full of crap
Sorry, but it's not crap. I work 20 minutes from his school. I've heard whispers from people highly involved in the Alumni Association that there are some potential red flags with Grimes and his family.
DoubleDD said:
Like I Said do you really think UNC is going to get any punishment? Come on be honest.
Yes, they're focused in Michigan State right now and UNC is probably next on their list. UNC has already admitted academic fraud, so that case is going to be a fairly simple one to nail UNC on and the federal government lives low hanging fruit cases.
@DoubleDD Did we ever assume the federal government would go after college basketball recruiting? UNC violated federal laws with their academic fraud, and when that report came out, UNC opened themselves up to a federal investigation which could be ongoing as we speak.
@DoubleDD UNC got away with what they did from the NCAA because they offered those classes to everyone. UNC's bigger concern is going to come from the Department of Education and their accreditation status.
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I for one could care less about his story.
Now we wait til the big dave saga starts. Odds are he's not as good of character as we think? Hopefully kidding when I say that
I know you are joking but he seems like a good kid that plans to be here 4 years. Haven't read any of the crap I read about Diallo, Alexander or Preston leading up to and after their commitments...
I'm totally joking but who can blame the Track record we are on with burger boy mess ups
I can't go into details, but Grimes is the one I'd be most concerned with out of this class.
Not surprised at all at this point. Maybe now that it's over, we'll get to hear the full story.
@KirkIsMyHinrich Clay isn't on scholarship so he has no impact on recruiting.
Newman doesn't have to be gone though. KU has 3 incoming players right now and 2 outgoing seniors. Preston will not be back because I don't see him ever getting eligible. If that happens, KU will be insanely deep and could legitimately go 11 or 12 deep next year. There's going to be a couple of players good enough to be rotation guys at KU next year who aren't because of the depth.
If Azubuike is back, I would expect McCormack to be the odd man out when the front court rotation is cut. In the back court, I could see Garrett and Charlie Moore getting the short end of the rotation minutes. That still leaves 2 other guys, possibly Lightfoot and Dotson getting left out of the rotation as well when Self trims it to 8 next year.
@HighEliteMajor My issue with EJ was that he was always an incredibly streaky player, even at his best in 2011-12. Selby was also injured most of the season after he got eligible. Selby was never going to approach his ceiling in year 1 at Kansas because of his injury and was not better than Morningstar or Reed after his injury.
Morningstar and Reed may not have had the ceiling that EJ or Selby had, but they were much more consistent which is what that group needed more in the long term with Tyshawn taking over the full time PG duties and being inconsistent at best at that point as a PG.
In a different universe with Selby not getting injured, he possibly takes the lead guard role from Taylor, but we'll never know because of that injury to Selby.
BShark said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
All three Class of 2018 prep players who signed with KU in the early signing period were selected to play in the McDonald’s All-American game.
This is a pretttty good class. Silvio probably would have made it too if he was still in HS.
Had Silvio stayed, I don't know if he would have made the game or not. If he had, it likely would've been at the expense of McCormack who I believe is the only 4 star player in the game.
KU could still end up with 4 depending on Langford, or has he cooled on KU? I haven't been able to following recruiting as close as I usually do this year so I don't know what the most up to date on Langford is.
@kjayhawks They've improved from garbage to bad. Take Young off that team and they're still near the bottom of the Big 12.
KU would've likely played them close even without Young because of the nature of KU this year. KSU and ISU are go ing to finish bottom third of the league and KU barely beat each of them at home.
@kjayhawks OU won 11 games last year without Heild or Young and finished 9th out of 10 teams. Trae Young's supporting cast is not that good no matter how much you try and spin and justify their other players.
OU ignores Lattin for the same reason KU ignored Lucas last year, they're not good offensive players.
Their on court results speaks for itself, Trae Young is their only good player. The rest of their supporting cast won 11 games abd finished 9th, that's what you're trying to defend as a good supporting cast.
@HighEliteMajor I'm looking at Jeff Withey's situation for the comparison. Withey came here after a semester at Arizona, sat out a year and had 3.5 years of eligibility left when he became eligible at KU.
I fail to see how Cunliffe is in a different situation than Withey. Cunliffe transferred after a semester at ASU, sat out a year, so why would he not also have 3.5 years left as well?
@justanotherfan Self couldn't red shirt him. Players have 5 years to play 4 in normal circumstances. Injuries are the one thing that can grant a player a 6th year of eligibility. Transferring counts against that 5 year clock and works as a red shirt. Cunliffe played 1 semester at ASU, transferred to KU, sat out for 1 academic year per NCAA rules, and is now eligible to play. At the conclusion of this season, he will have been in college for 2 years and played the equivalent of 1 year. He is for all intents and purposes a red shirt freshman right now. After this year, he will have 3 years to play 3 years.
It's the same situation as Jeff Witney who played 3.5 years at KU. Cunliffe also play 3.5 years when he's done here.
@kjayhawks Trae Young doesn't have nearly the supporting cast that Graham has. Put Young with a group as talented as what Graham has around him and Young probably averages 3 or 4 more assists per game and 2 or 3 less TO's per game. He is a great player, but when you're the only good player on a team, it will wear you down because your team is dependent on you to do everything.
@JayHawkFanToo Trae Young flat out had a bad game. 20 points in 21 shots is not a good line.
You want to mention how points he was responsible for, but by that same logic, he also cost OU up to 72 points with those 12 TO's. Those 12 TO's are points OU didn't even get a chance to score so that's potentially 36 points and had KSU maxed out those TO's, that's 36 points for them they could have scored.
OU is a one man team and when that one man has a bad game, OU gets their butt handed to them like we saw last night.
@mayjay Texas Western became UTEP when the university was integrated into the University of Texas System that is today made up of 16 different schools (8 academic and 8 medical schools). Texas Western actually joined the University of Texas System the following year in 1967 and that's when they became UTEP. UTEP is the third oldest school in the University of Texas System after UT-Austin and UT-Arlington.
RIP JoJo
@drgnslayr I thought Bilas said that T on Doke was a ridiculous call.
Cunliffe is a role player. He essentially has 6 weeks of practicing KU sets. Prior to that, he had been on scout team running everybody else's stuff. He'll be a decent player, probably never a starter unless it's as a senior in 2019-2020 because he figures to be buried pretty deep next year Garrett, Grimes, KJ Lawson, and possibly Vick all playing wing minutes next year.
Hawks whipped their nuts out loud and proud to swing for all to see tonight! Those were some of the biggest cajones I've seen in a very long time from a KU team.
This is one of the most impressive wins by any team in the country this year.
I just want consistent calls. I don't care if you call it it tight or let them beat up each other, just call it the same both ways.
Keegan is also the reason why the LJW currently has a bad relationship with the football program. Being critical about the lack of success is fair game, but Keegan has gone overboard in his crusade against Beaty and made KUSports an even more toxic evironment than national websites. That's impressive and disappointing at the same time.
@mayjay George Mason was 12 years ago, so that's 3 teams in 12 years that basically flukes their way into the Final Four. 3 out of 48 is 6% so basically Tech would have about a 6% chance of making the Final Four based on recent history. Possible, but not very likely.
All odds even, would you put money on Texas Tech reaching the Final Four this year? I wouldn't and that's why I don't think they're a legit contender.
KU has its issues this year, but they also have a core that's been to consecutive Elite 8's.
@HawkChamp Actually, it does matter. It's very rare to see a team new to prosperity make a Final Four run in their first year of being good.
@dylans Tech is not a Final Four contender to me because they don't have any tournament experience. They're going to be the classic example of a Big 12 team that gets a top 4 seed and chokes first weekend, possibly even 1st round.
@Kcmatt7 Too much potential to turn very ugly for programs and players.
@dylans Last time the Big 12 had multiple legitimate Final Four threats was 2 years ago with Kansas and Oklahoma. I'll also tell you right now that the Big 12 does not have 4 teams that are legit Final Four threats this year. I would argue that the Big 12 doesn't have a real Final Four threat this year, but with the lack of dominant teams out there this year, I would call KU and WVU threats.
I don't see either one reaching the Final Four because WVU has historically lost when they don't get the whistle and are forced into an up tempo game because they don't have the offense to run with teams, Kansas doesn't have the depth or defense this year. Oklahoma is a one man team this year and Trae Young isn't carrying them to a Final Four. Tech is the dark horse, but they have the same issue as WVU has in that they don't have the offense to hang with the up tempo teams this year if they don't get their whistles.
@FarmerJayhawk In the business world, it's called a no-compete clause in their contracts. Many companies have them, even professional sports leagues. The transfer rule is the NCAA's version of the no-complete clause.