Garrett is going to be a very good player by the time he leaves Kansas. I can definitely see him being a 1st team all-Big 12 at some point in his career.
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If dad is involved, no thanks.
@wissox I don't see Auburn getting a 1 seed at this point without help after yesterday. I think if KU or Tech win out, they'd be a deserving 1 seed. I think Nova and Michigan State are pretty well locked in as 1's at this point.
I wouldn't have objected to Auburn on the 1 line before yesterday. They were 2 up in a conference that's probably going to get 8-9 teams in the tournament. They're a legitimately good team.
@mayjay If it's like the 1st half, they won't win a game.
Michigan St. came back from 27 down to beat Northwestern. Held them to 11 points in the second half. If MSU plays like they did in the 2nd half today, they're winning the national title this year.
Northwestern is all over Michigan St. right now. Up 22 with about 8 minutes left in the first half.
Trae Young is OU. This is basically the same supporting cast that finished 9th last year in the Big 12. Baylor is now sitting in 5th place at the moment, let that one sink in. The Big 12 is playing their way into being a 4 bid league right now.
Sherron was that player from basically day 1 at Kansas. Frank took about 2.5 seasons to get to where he was a true game changer on a nightly basis. Sherron is definitely the best 4 year player at Kansas during the Self era.
He put his hair back in those braids tonight instead of being picked out.
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Is Graham the worst lay-up shooter in KU history?
Just the next in a long line of poor lay up makers.
@BShark Mitch also helped create the turnovers that allowed the comeback to happen.
I'll never argue Lightfoot is a better overall player than Doke, but Lightfoot's skill set and abilities just mesh better with the rest of the team than Doke's because he can play a lot faster and out on the perimeter unlike Doke.
BShark said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Strongly disagree.
Offense takes a hit, but we rebound better and protect the rim better with Lightfoot in. Lightfoot is also far superior to Doke setting screens. KU's comeback against Baylor also happened with Lightfoot playing after Doke got his 4th and was extended by Baylor when Doke came back in.
I think we're a better overall team with Lightfoot in over Doke.
@JayHawkFanToo People claim that every year, but RPI is still the biggest influence on seeding and who gets in the tournament.
@BeddieKU23 Not based on RPI. WVU is in the mid 30's, the other 3 teams are top 25. I know RPI isn't the best way to measure teams, but that's why KU was projected a 2 seed in that mock tournament bracket.
Some college programs do something called a grayshirt. That's where somebody may enroll in the spring semester or summer time after the class is complete. Coaches will count those players forward a class. That's why KU doesn't always have a 25 man class.
I agree with Lunardi about KU being a 3 seed right now and would even listen to a case for KU being a 4 seed. KU has 2 bad losses on their resume right now (Baylor and OSU). Texas A&M is our best win followed by Kentucky, and TCU ×2, that's not saying a lot at this point beacsue thatmock bracket that was released is based on RPI which is what their primary tool is to seed teams.
@Kcmatt7 KU doesn't have 25 scholarships available this year. Beaty counted enough forward from last year that KU doesn't have the 25 max to offer this year. 19 or 20 was the cap this year and Beaty maxed it out.
I'm not going to lie, I honestly won't be that disappointed if Tech wins the Big 12 outright this year. The streak has become a burden at this point and woth the roster we have set for next season, not having that burden of the streak should take a lot of pressure off the team.
I think streak's a huge source of the issues the past couple of seasons with some of the chemistry issues we've seen. The players put so much pressure on themselves that we're it implode a little bit right now.
I think we'd even see a looser Bill Self next season as well if the streak ends this year.
@Kcmatt7 Those guys count against scholarship limits for recruiting classes and take away a spot from a HS kid that could spend 4-5 years in the program and contribute for multiple seasons.
12 JuCo and grad transfers combined is not a good thing for long term depth for a program.
KU has to win out at his point to share with Tech which means we gotta sweep the WVU, OU, and Tech stretch of games.
The way we're playing at the moment, a 5 game losing streak looks more likely.
@CRH107 I wasn't in the arena for warm ups, got there during pregame ceremony stuff. So no, I didn't notice Svi's eye.
@JayHawkFanToo You're the one who needs to go back and reread previous posts because there's nowhere that I said KU should stay away from graduate transfers. I said they need to stay away from P5 graduate transfers and only take them from FCS and Group of 5 schools because those are the kids looking to move in competition. P5 transfers are looking to move down in competition and you claim those players are better than the 2 and 3 star players KU brings in when history says that's false.
@wissox I wouldn't waste my time if I were you. I was at the game today and this was probably the worst I've ever seen a KU team look.
@wissox Both teams played like crap the first 17 minutes or so of the game. Baylor had small lead most of that time. Baylor ends the 1st half on a 7-0 while KU played probably their worst half of the season.
KU comes out in the 2nd half and plays decent. Graham started making some shots and KU cut the lead to 2. Then Lagerald Vick happened. He tipped in a basket for Baylor, then he threw an outlet pass to Graham before Graham ever turned around to look for it. Then a possession or two later, Vick throws one to Graham that's so inaccurate that Graham got called for a carry trying to corral the pass. After that stretch of 4-5 possessions, Baylor stretched their lead back out and KU never sniffed the lead again.
Basically, KU played about 4-5 minutes of good basketball today. Also, don't pay any attention to anyone blaming the refs for anything, it didn't matter. KU couldn't hit water if they fell out of boat today. They shot under 20% from 3 and took half their shots from 3 today.
@JayHawkFanToo Are you serious right now? Dayne Crist transferred to KU because he wasn't good enough to start at Notre Dame, Mike Ragone transferred from Notre Dame because he wasn't good enough to play at Notre Dame. Same with the other graduate transfers.
Do you seriously think if that Florida St. kid was going to play a lot of snaps at FSU next year that he would still be coming to Kansas? Hell no! And the same goes for any other graduate transfer from a top tier football program.
Name one graduate transfer that has come to KU from another P5 program and made a significant positive impact on the field.
Gunman said:
kjayhawks said:
@Fightsongwriter I agree at that point Acul (probably spelled wrong) was getting what ever he wanted anyways, why not see what Silvio could do had he been in a little longer. Obviously in hindsight it wouldn’t have matter because we ended up getting creamed. At this point it is a complete waste of time and eligibility to have Silvio in uniform if he isn’t going to play. Also if he’s so pissed off at Newman and Vick, give Sam some minutes.
I agree. I think Sam is done for whatever reason. Why can't the press ask why and shouldn't Self have some revelation about Sam's predicament.
If Sam did or said something wrong and is being reprimanded spit it out. We don;t need details, but little info goes along way especially when the season is below par.
Self did address Sam awhile back, said he simply wasn't doing what he needed to in practice to earn minutes
@JayHawkFanToo Dayne Crist, Mike Ragone, Josh Williams, Kent Taylor. Those guys were all grad transfers from other P5 programs, Notre Dame ×2, Nebraska, and Florida specifically. Williams was the only halfway decent player for KU, but hardly an impact player.
The chemistry issues are stemming from Self giving Graham, Newman, and Svi multiple days off each week because he has no bench. Doke can't play balls to the wall because there's no one behind him.
At this point, Vick is a liability for this team. That stretch he had where he scored for Baylor, then threw it away, then threw it so far in front of Graham he carried it killed all of KU's momentum and allowed Baylor to regain control.
Right now, if we lose in Ames, we're probably looking at a 5 game losing streak because then the schedule gets hard with WVU, OU, and @Tech all in a row.
@JayHawkFanToo That's the point, that's the majority of transfers from P5 programs. They left their previous programs because they weren't good enough.
Those other schools I mentioned were very deliberate as well. KU had failed transfers from each of those schools as well.
JayHawkFanToo said:
Players from Alabama, Georgia, Clemson and others that are not good enough to start at those programs would be stars at KU.
Daylon Charlot and Charles Baldwin from Alabama say hi, as do all the other failed transfers we've had from Notre Dame, Florida, and Nebraska in the past few years.
I would avoid grad transfers from other P5 programs. There's a reason why those guys are leaving their previous program and it's usually because they aren't good enough. I would actually look to the FCS and Group of 5 schools because those are going to be the kids looking for exposure and prove themselves against better competition.
@dylans Saints made the NFC title game in 2006 but lost to the Bears.
Landing Agbaji would be big for KU because he played his AAU ball for MoKan which we all know has always had a negative relationship with KU.
@Kcmatt7 No way was this KU's best defensive effort last night. TCU got way too many open looks to be considered good defense. The defense was good the last 10 minutes of the game, but the first 30 were definitely not good.
The KSU game in Manhattan has to be the best defensive game by KU at least in Big 12 play this year. KSU never had a chance in that one.
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Surprised Svi didn't get the "#$%# move" treatment in the post game from Self that Greene got years back for doing something similar
Self likes Svi, that's the difference lol.
Svi's dunk was also a dead ball situation, not a live ball situation like BG's was.
BeddieKU23 said:
That's a good question actually in regards to McCormack. If Doke leaves who's the 5 next year? Lawson & De Sousa have the size to slide over to that position it looks but neither is your prototypical Center. McCormack is a true Center so in theory maybe he has a leg up there. He's played against top competition for years whether it was for Oak Hill or his AAU squad so at least we know he's been exposed to situations where he's up against some really good players. As @Kcmatt7 mentioned he recently played against Vernon Carey a top 2 2019 prospect and struggled to defend him for the most part. In his defense Carey is probably one of the Top 5-7 HS prospect overall right now. He'd be top 5 in 2018 in my opinion. Dave has come a long ways with his body, athleticism and overall skill level. Just seems like a guy that needs a year to adjust before his impact starts to be felt on a regular basis
When has Self ever cared if his low post players are 4's or 5's at the college level? KU has had plenty of years where they've had what we would consider to be two 4's starting in the low post. If Doke leaves, the low post will still be just fine with Dedric, DeSousa, and McCormack who are capable low post players.
Agbaji is wing, that offer doesn't get made at this point without Self knowing either Newman or Vick are leaving. Newman could go to the NBA and Vick could possibly be getting squeezed out of the program. I would also say that offer is a pretty clear sign that Langford is headed elsewhere.
There's also minimal chance of McCormack starting or even playing relevant minutes next season. He's someone who the likely best case scenario is the 4th big overall and 3rd in the low post rotation, but the most likely scenario is he's the 6th big overall and 4th low post big. That doesn't equal big minutes.
Agbaji is wing, that offer doesn't get made at this point without Self knowing either Newman or Vick are leaving. Newman could go to the NBA and Vick could possibly be getting squeezed out of the program. I would also say that offer is a pretty clear sign that Langford is headed elsewhere.
There's also minimal chance of McCormack starting or even playing relevant minutes next season. He's someone who the likely best case scenario is the 4th big overall and 3rd in the low post rotation, but the most likely scenario is he's the 6th big overall and 4th low post big. That doesn't equal big minutes.
@JayHawkFanToo So does KU's run count as two different conferences since you consider UCLA's to be in two conferences? The PAC added a couple of teams and the Big 12 lost a couple of teams.
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@kjayhawks OU was lucky to win against KU earlier, they aren't blowing out Kansas. WVU also hasn't won a road game in over a month. @Tech, @ISU, and @OSU are the three key games for KU. Go 2-1 in those 3 and hold serve at home the rest of the way and KU finishes 14-4 and at least a share of the Big 12.
I have watched KU at home. I've also watched WVU suck away from Morgantown for a month and OU not win a road game since December. I know what KU has done, I also kniw what the rest of the Big 12 is doing as well.
If KU wins in Lubbock, they'll win the league outright, if they lose in Lubbock, KU shares with Tech.
@kjayhawks OU was lucky to win against KU earlier, they aren't blowing out Kansas. WVU also hasn't won a road game in over a month. @Tech, @ISU, and @OSU are the three key games for KU. Go 2-1 in those 3 and hold serve at home the rest of the way and KU finishes 14-4 and at least a share of the Big 12.
@betterfireE KU's perimeter defense wasn't horrible for the most part today. OSU just flat out made a lot of tough shots. Nothing you can do when a team is hitting 3's with hands in their faces. The defensive rebounding and KU's ice cold shooting early on is what doomed them more than anything else.
How do you end the streak in Morgantown and lose at home to OSU?
This was a bad loss.
Defense wasn't bad most of the game, OSU just made a lot of contested shots. This is also probably the worst rebounding game of the year as well.
OSU is making a lot of contested 3's and there's no defense for a team making a lot of contested shots.
I do feel pretty good about winning at least a share which is what the percent is for.
dylans said:
@drgnslayr Tyshawn was horrible shooting in big arenas until his Sr. Year. I don’t know of anyone on this current team that had such huge splits.
Nobody on the current team has played a game in a dome. The NCAA quit using domes prior to the Final Four a few years back. Lucas Oil in Indy in 2020 is the only domed stadium prior to Final Four in the next 4 years.
Down go the Shockers in OT to Temple. Bad loss for WSU and I'm glad they lost.