@BShark This is how the NCAA pretends its an impartial decision?
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I support your desire to break free of voting for either of the major parties. For us to be able to do so effectively I have a few considerations:
- who is the other guy, the one you're voting for? This is critical. He has to be someone good or represent a platform that is good. Can't just be a Mickey Mouse write in. We need to establish new alternates that represent a better way forward, or else we get no where.
- Is that person better than both of the major candidates? Also critical. These votes must do more good than harm.
- Who are the alternative candidates for other levels of government? I believe to make sustainable change we need to find a way to get more independents or third party candidates into local positions and at every level. Our ultimate endgoal should be the House and Senate, but build up to that . We also need to make info about the candidates easily accessible to all that overcome major party bias.
- What are the laws preventing third party and independent candidates from having a chance and how can we make our voices heard to change them?
@DanR nice! I am honestly stoked about exploring the possibilities of squash now with these great ideas from all.
After much deliberation and internal politicking, we went with something close to @Kcmatt7 's suggestion this go around (and no potatoes available).
Broiled squash halves for 9 min while simmering tomato paste, garlic, ground beef, oregano, then scooped guts, threw them into the sauce mix, stuffed them, mixed some stovetop stuffing in half of them, put parmesan on some and mexican shredded cheese on others, and baked at 400 3 min more.
The results were excellent. However, sadly, a failure because my children found reasons to complain.
I will gladly eat this again, while they eat cold pizza. Thanks!
Wow. Donald Trump Implosion 2020. Even if it is sarcasm it doesn't matter. Retweeting that is so dumb. Trump just doesn't care any more.
@Kcmatt7 nice! I'll try this. May try with ground beef.
sweet. thanks! I'll let you know how it goes.
@mayjay nice! I like the sound of "tops get crispy". So far, most of my squash attempts have leaned heavily towards "squishy".
Yellow crookneck.
Planted way too much squash it seems. How can I make eating it enjoyable?
I've currently got 11 squash plants. Anyone have a way of making it delicious?
@benshawks08 but isn't rocking the boat the last thing you want to do when it's listing?
@benshawks08 Umm. I don't think I can get your post back without digging into the database.
You had good points in the post.
@FarmerJayhawk he said he just got Kendis book and was looking forward to reading it fully but didn't think he interpreted what Kendi had to say as you did and wanted to discuss more.
Also you said that you recommend Grandmother's Hands, a book about the psychology of trauma and there is a section about race.
I see you man :)
Crap @benshawks08 I was trying to quote you. Sorry man.
@Texas-Hawk-10 @mayjay @benshawks08 We need to cancel the feel bad culture and find a way to move forward positively. You're never going to make meaningful change if you're trying to defeat the other half of this country and make them bend the knee to how you see things. Frankly, what @HighEliteMajor said about "DESTROYING YOU" may have more in common with your approach to this issue than you think. It is a mirror.
@benshawks08 I think what you define as racist is what I define as unconscious bias. The reason this matters is because I'm not subscribing to the guilt of being a racist. I'm not a racist. Sure, you and I both have unconscious biases. And that's ok. Some we can live with, some we may actively seek to change when we become aware of them. We aren't racists as I define it.
Any sort of dichotomy as it applies to the human condition is artificial. I have an uneasy peace with it when it comes to sports.
The longest paper I wrote at college was about artificial dichotomies : capitalism vs communism, conservative vs liberal, winners and losers, etc. When you look at them closely, they all fall apart. Critical race theory sounds to be no different.
@FarmerJayhawk furthermore, I am antiracist. But "what is racist?" is what we are debating. And the fact that it is debatable, and I believe it is, makes critical race theory as you've defined it, pretty impractical.
I haven't seen the kids other comments. But I don't believe this comment is isolation is racist. That is all I am arguing.
@FarmerJayhawk I don't think some nerd in an ivory tower gets to decide what a word means and strip away hundreds of years of connotation. Racist is among the worst perjoratives in this country and that isn't changing any time soon.
@benshawks08 Defending our freedom of speech isn't about defending only things people say that we like.
But if you can’t identify that statement as racist it gives cover to all the crap that idiot says too.
This reads like "You're either with us or against us".
We know it’s racism even if technically you can’t exactly point to how.
You can't exactly point to how either.
I don't want this country to be shoot first and ask questions later.
Caution is appropriate here.
Guys. How can we go after a kid here when we've got a president saying this shit daily and a major news company saying it as well? I mean isnt that the elephant in the room?
@mayjay I think you're getting side tracked with trying to argue against a point of view when @ajvan was not trying to justify the reasoning for that point of view ( why people might have want to express a negative opinion about Floyd because his shortcomings are glossed over). His point, I believe, is just to acknowledge that this is a common point of view.
@FarmerJayhawk I looked but just saw a bunch of retweets. I'm not sure what I'm looking for or where to look. I don't use Twitter much so it may just be my ignorance.
@Texas-Hawk-10 look man. I've had some very very tough conversations with a relative of mine. His views about immigrants frustrate the hell out of me. Could I call him a racist? I guess, but I don't think that would solve anything. Could I call his views racist? Sure, I've said that to his face. That is a little more constructive but it still seems to just add to the wall around his views. Could I talk about bias and not make it personal? Sure, he might actually change his mind a little but then he'd go back to watching Fox News and revert any progress.
What's my point? The less personal you make it, the more likely you have meaningful interaction. Right now people want to burn other people down to the ground and I get why. But is it productive?
Like I said, this kid may be a racist by most people's standards. But this statement alone isn't. Does your interpretation of context make sense? Yes, it does. I see where you're coming from. But even if you label him as implicitly racist and say that doesn't mean he should be punished, others who are seeking punishment want confirmation that he's a racist so they can run him out of town.
And frankly, I've heard a lot of kids say a lot of insensitive things about a lot of different topics and people. Are jokes about Bill Cosby or Michael Jackson racist? No, not implicitly. I've heard many, but I didn't consider them racist. Just because these figures were black icons does not make jokes about them racist.
I do agree that the timing is awful and saying this right now about Floyd when people are hurting is shitty. But it seems as easily identified as contrarían. It would not be the first time that someone said something on Twitter to get a reaction.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I don't think either of us want to be enabling and dismissive of racism.
But if you want to tell me about my character, who am I to argue otherwise, right?
@ajvan well said.
@mayjay maybe, maybe not.
@Texas-Hawk-10 both of you are assuming to know the kid's mindset. The stated value of that organization that you listed are not specifically racist. EDIT: see @ajvan 's response below. Said more clearly to this point.
What's wrong with just calling someone an a-hole instead of a racist?
I think throwing around the racist moniker is divisive in ways you aren't feeling fully atm. I completely understand why people are upset rn.
@BShark I'm not buying that. If racism warrants a punitive response, then it must be objectively agreed upon that the action was racist.
And yes, that tweet is crazy. We need to avoid our inclination to start policing peoples thoughts in times of anger.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I don't think it's hard to defend this tweet as not being racist. I think Trump has thoroughly broken our ability to judge a statement in isolation. The kid might be a racist. But you can't even think about expelling him from school by this statement alone.
If he says something that's actually racist, let's talk about that. Not infer what we want to from his insensitive social media posts and the clubs he belongs to.
@FarmerJayhawk Is that statement even racist? George Floyd had fentanyl and meth in his system according to the autopsy. I know it is a pretty insensitive thing to say, and might be construed as an inference towards black people as a whole, but I don't think this statement is explicitly racist. If a black person said the same of Layne Staley when he died, or Kurt Cobain, or Elvis or whatever, would anyone bat an eye? (I'm going for "No, and nor should they. Black people are allowed to have opinions about famous white drug addicts, and even crack jokes about their drug habits post-humously.")
I don't think the context of this country being in flames should shift the punishment for something that is not definitively racist, and I think it's dangerous and divisive to start calling anyone who says anything about a person of another race a racist where nothing has been explicitly stated about their race.
@kjayhawks Do you realize how hard it would be to fake 126k US deaths?
Do you know people who have died from it? I do.
@kjayhawks I don't know what to say man. Do you honestly think that the whole world is making coronavirus up?
@kjayhawks if you think that the flu is more deadly than coronavirus, you're misinformed. The death counts are facts. Not opinions.
@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@approxinfinity a 100 different sources say 100 different another problem in theses times.
Respectfully, it sounds like you're sticking your head in the sand.
The best we can do is to take the facts we have and interpret them to the best of our abilities. Throwing our hands in the air because of a few inconsistencies isn't going to get us anywhere.
@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
The morality rate is less than 1% in this country still considerably less than the flu, pneumonia and other illnesses. Be smart and wash your hands.
This is complete crazy talk. The mortality rate is 5.1% by current estimates for coronavirus in the US. Whatever source is telling you this has an agenda.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality ↗
Even if you don't believe the rates, the estimates on total fatality count for flu in 2019 is 20k-62k according to CDC. And that's without a quarantine! Imagine how much less it will be this year. Meanwhile coronavirus is around 120k and we aren't near done.
Please reevaluate.
@jayballer73 the guy is a narcissistic idiot and can't hide it any longer. He just can't see the world without him in the center of the picture.
@Texas-Hawk-10 oh, I hadn't even thought about that :(
@Texas-Hawk-10 Has there been talk about Enaruna bolting? I haven't kept up on that.
I understand one of the key points of Bolton's book coming out is that every single thing Trump does is motivated by how it will affect his reelection chances. Unfortunately, I think reopening early was a swing for the reelection fences @jayballer73 even if it was advised against.
@mayjay thanks for the assist
@BShark I don't have a link atm, can dig one up later. Family in health department.
@BShark that is complete BS and has been refuted since. Please disregard that article.
I have struggled recently like everyone I think. Priorities are shifting. Thanks for the kind words. @Texas-Hawk-10 we have a few moderators. But that can create a class structure too that I'm trying to avoid. I'd rather people have just one despot to loathe ;)
@benshawks08 i don't have a formal process. I think 2 days to cool off makes sense here. @HighEliteMajor is a long time poster that has put a lot of thought and feeling into this board and deserves the benefit of the doubt. Hope he takes a breather and comes back.
As far as the thread, I think we need a fresh start when things get out of hand, ie people cussing people out. Some have a higher tolerance for this than others. But I think at this point emotions have overridden reason. The thread also has a negative origin + history that I wanted to put behind us. Let's just restart with a new take.
I'm going to lock this thread; I think it's time for a fresh start on this topic.
@Crimsonorblue22 I am.
@FarmerJayhawk it's a slippery slope. I don't want to police people. I want people to just be good because it's the right thing to do.
@Crimsonorblue22 I'm just a slacker. :)