Great answers , views and opinions guys. Appreciate the feed back really don't think there is a 100 % solution/answer on either side of the fence. This is/was just my view , opinion glad to have the discussion about it. Just gets frustrating for me to see them struggle like they have.
You all have valid points, I just agree a little more with benshawk08--I mean hell if I was Coaching w would never lose -- I have yet to lose ONE SINGLE game from my recliner lol
I for sure understand your views benshawk08, and yet I can understand how some people might think we are Hunter haters , but that is just not the case. As you said like myself Hunter is a good player , but it just doesn't look right - -something seems just off with that lineup and Hunter. Like you said on his rebounding, really good rebounder, but your right when does he seek the rebound? - most that he gets falls in his lap because of his height. I'd be interested what his explosion is. -you say Udeh - -Zuby ,- - both I think of course would be good, hated to see them leave but I understand. No argument for sure at this point, probably never but I think the way our Big's have developed over time in this system, again I think I would be just as happy with that 6'9 - -6'10 more springy -more athletic- more bounce , fluid, guy that can really get out and run - -a taller version of KJ. A kid that like KJ handles the ball well and can really run the floor well. I wish we could of hung onto Udeh. - -now us losing our guard this year sure didn't help things , and w would be screwed even more without Hunter - again pretty good but just my opinion.
Next yr could be a perfect example with Flory coming in. Very unpolished offensively but a kid highly rated - -runs rim to rim great rim protector Great bounce , this is a kid that can get out and run - -protect the rim - -finishes rim rattling lobs - -swats just about everything - -THIS is the type of player that just seems more to fit - -maybe score 8-9 -10 a game - -run and defend the rim - let him develop. Look how Dave developed over his time at KU , we have a history of developing these guuys- -I don't know just seems like with a set offense the ball sticks a lot of times. I really can't argue either side of this post strongly. I think both sides have very valid points - -just frustrating
Thanks for your patience on this post guys, your understanding bottom line we all want the same thing, see our guys do well
Ok, guys so first I'm going to try and explain the best I can through a couple of thoughts. I don't want to turn this into a pissin post because there is a really good chance I'm just blowing hot air and just not right thinking , I can acknowledge that BUT I dunno why, but just have to get it out anyways & I've said this before this Season but it just keeps rubbing at me. Again any difference you have is perfectly fine and chances are your right but here goes anyways:
First let me say I know yes, Hunter is a good player, a very good player or he wouldn't of been so highly sought after in the portal - -I get that , I really do & I don't know where we would be without him. I even battle with myself on this because I DO KNOW THIS --- and yet like I said I've stated this before :
To me -- -for me - - -I don't know just for me I've said this ALL year , with Hunter in something - - - just doesn't look right, doesn't feel right. - I have said Hunter is just a BAD FIT for this team, he just doesn't fit right, Again not saying he isn't good - - -I get that he is good, but just looks wrong on this team.
Our teams have always been Sooo much better when we run , ya we run now some but in the past we have more, get the ball and GO.- -So much better on the break. free flowing. With Hunter, , it just seems he bogs us down more often in a set pattern half court offense - -bogs us down, we try to run more for him in the post, and these teams are doubling So he kicks it out or forces up a shot that's not falling - - -or if the set play doesn't work , we reset and guys start to force the issue - - -that either turn into a bad forced shot -- a forced pass - - or into a live ball turnover that results in easy points for whoever. -- I think that's part of Juan's higher turnover rate that he is going through - -trying to force the ball to Hunter or to whoever right now. Again don't get me wrong Hunter plays well, BUT he is not the most athletic, -what he is -- is Big -Tall - -Bulky so when he post up down low and locks in then ya I like our chances, but with guys trying to force things , it turns into some really ugly ball.
I'm not trying to place all the blame on Hunter because it's not -Hunter is Hunter - I just feel this isn't our best style of ball - -us running a slower pace set play pattern is not good - -in the past we have run , free flow pattern get it out and go. -Do I have the answers ? - -No not at all, like I said I argue with myself on this a lot saying or thinking what the hell you talking about, but in our best style of free flow , run --then Hunter is a sloth , more of a hinderance - -again it just seems like a bad fit for this team.
Honestly for me I would just as soon have a sleeker, 6'9 - 6'10 kid that was a little more athletic, could get out and run , get up and down the floor, be able to be a good rim defender, and even average 12-13 points per I'd be fine -A Lot of bigger kids now days fit that mold now. - -Hunter is more of a mold that fit well what 10 yr's ago, more traditional older post player? -The game has sped up and that's where we fit better.
OK , I'm done -so now you can cuss at my post - - you can blast me , - -you can ask me if I'm totally nuts, -cause you could very well be right-- like I said I even question myself on this at times - -and yet still feel to me - - it just sure seems like a bad fit - - just doesn't work. In the end I feel this could very easily be what ends up being a big part of the end of our Season - -playing that slower pace -forced passes, leading to turnovers.
Even in recent past YES our 5 spot wasn't good but even with Juan -- - KJ at the 5 - - Grady - - Jalen - and even with Och -we were running much more free flow let it fly , up and down - looked better, fun to watch. This year at times they bog down, some extended periods of non scoring droughts - it's not all Hunter but the style is not good. Just with this team it is not a good half court set offense team. - -Ok guys, I'm sorry just me, my thoughts ya probaably nutts -just how I feel a lot of the time. - -Have a great day - -ROCK CHALK
@kjayhawks said in Other bball games:
This conference is just crazy competitive this year, several games decided by only a possession or two, we just need a few of the right teams to win.
Long ways to go , we just got to do our part, take care of OUR business and the rest will play it'self out. It doesn't help when both your main players go in a shooting slump at the same time
@FarmerJayhawk said in Other bball games:
Wow TCU wins in triple OT. This league is a bloodbath
That it is think the winner of the league loses 5 maybe 6.- -You saw the double flop from Baylor at the end - -awful funny both Baylor players feel at the same time. Farmer said they teach that too, this league is just Brutal. - -Man if w could just have any kind of a Bench - -- how is it possible to get in that bad of position?
@approxinfinity said in The Furph:
Furphy has looked like a lottery pick since starting. I dont think he stays regardless of his parents financial state if he keeps this up.
ya just thinking -not so sure Johnny is bck next year pretty solid - -15 again today and 6 rebounds-- been pretty consistent last 5 games now
@kjayhawks said in KU vs Cryclones Game Chat:
Tech with a comeback win in Norman and they take control of the conference
they are gonna lose more games for sure - -ONE LOSS for sure is not going to hold
you know looking at the Box score , our starting five really didn't do that bad - - pretty balanced , y shot 45 % - - but Dickinson had 20 -Mccullar had 16 - - Furphy had 15 - - Adams had 13 - -and Juan had 9 - -BALANCED. - -I think just brings out two things happening -- poor really poor three point defense and NO BENCH - -NO BENCH AT ALL.- - we have just got to get something , some help from our Bench
Hopefully next year we won't have to go through this crap with our Bench, have some depth.
Iowa State Coach said Averages 4.5 three's a game makes 14- - -Ball Game
Coach just answered the question He said - - -We can't guard the ball. When the last time that's happened ? Coach says we are not a pressure team - -can't guard
OK , so West Virginia shoots 57 % from the three last week against us - - -today Iowa State that has shot 34.6 % for the year shoots 46.7
So what the hell is going on ? - - are we just not defending the three worth a dam or are these guys just playin out their ass, playing game like it's their NCAA Championship game. -Well for WV and Iowa State playing us is their NCAA title game
Think it's a combination of both, -- they are getting really lucky and we are defending worth a dam , we are just not use to seeing the guys struggle like this -- long time w have been in this position where our Bench just flat sucks
@AsadZ said in KU vs Cryclones Game Chat:
We got 2 pts from bench today
our bench for sure is BAD will be our downfall in the Tourney
@dylans said in KU vs Cryclones Game Chat:
@jayballer67 When they do its is far more humiliating. I like it when they storm the court. It shows they think they are inferior.
true and thing is they still are lol
@wissox said in KU vs Cryclones Game Chat:
Nice comeback. We'll survive. We're all kind of in the same mindset on this team.
They definitely missed the travel before that 3. Went back and watched it. What a shame.
he took two steps, 100 % travel - -and of course no call
you know this court stoming is taking away from your win - -act like you belong , been here before, takes away from what your team did -- makes you look like didn't think you would win - -your ranked for GOD's Sakes
The team that wins this league will lose five games - lots to go yet
Thing is we don't get our chance for payback. only time we play them this year
HOW IN THE HELL WAS THAT NOT A FOUL . - LIKE gURLEY SAID THE GUY TAKES TWO STEPS AND NOTHING CALLED
PLAY SOME d - - PLAY SOME d - - OH FORGOT ABOUT THE REFS
UH OH
That will do it
lol Iowa State 8 three pointers 2nd half and 6 two pointres
DAM , TIME GETTING THIN - -GOT TO MAKE that run , FAST. - -NOT GONNA GET ANY HELP FROM THE REFS - - JUST GOT TO FIND THAT LAST GEAR
dAM GET THE FRICKEN REBOUND - - -JUST KILLS US
get THE STOP
OK , down four - - -tighten the jocks and get in these guys play some strong D
Boy for a freshman Furphy sure hits some huge shots
@wissox said in KU vs Cryclones Game Chat:
@jayballer67 How does that make him shit?
Because he is pulling half these shots out his ass
that shit only averages 9 a game and has 21 today
ok Kevin drain these two
geet a stop
KJ has to hit these -- tighten up a little bit more - Big one's right here cut it to Seven
gotta get a stop
Twelve made thre's
there you go Johnny
Last week WV 57 % from the 3 -this week Iowa State who shoots 34 % from the 3 is 10-20 50 % -- -hmmmm
@DanR said in KU vs Cryclones Game Chat:
@jayballer67 hey hey hey, Kev has 6 boards, that's the one thing he's done halfway OK
turned the ball ove 5 times too so there is something else he is doing a good job of too lol
@jayballer67 said in KU vs Cryclones Game Chat:
@wissox said in KU vs Cryclones Game Chat:
Yeah lets sit Kevin and lose for sure.
Or , Or, leave him in and let him continue to turn it over - -there is an idea
their loing with him in and he is one of the main reasons we are. Not Scoring - -Not rebounding BUT is turning it over
@wissox said in KU vs Cryclones Game Chat:
Yeah lets sit Kevin and lose for sure.
Or , Or, leave him in and let him continue to turn it over - -there is an idea
Sit McCullar down
@wissox said in KU vs Cryclones Game Chat:
"Kev and Hunter better get their heads out of their ...." I read. Good grief. We'd be losing by about 20 if those guys weren't playing decently. I know fans get frustrated, but these guys have to play virtually every minute because the bench is so thin. I peaked at that comment while catching up on the DVR and thought, oh crap we must have fallen apart, and we hadn't. Crazy talk.
exactly just killin us
OK , reset and finish this on a high
boy these guys are hard to watch
Not going to win many games hen you shoot 34.4 Fg - - 11.1 3pt % - - -ISU 5 three pointers and KU ONE BIG ONE. - -Guess it's just to much to ask for a solid game for a change- - Those stats aren't gonna win you many games
Kevin has a bad habit everytime he shoots and misses he bitch's about getting fouled that's not helping you. quite a few your not fouled
Dckinson & McCullar best get their heads out their ass
McCullar 3-13
That was some nice D Jackson - -really sweet thanks
Well thats costly
Flagarant one - - now Tech
@bskeet said in KU vs Cryclones Game Chat:
It's obvious
Exactly, that's why I said it - - -knew that was coming. Three fouls in a half ? - -Maybe not
Anybody noticing the fouls seperating us and them- - hmmmm, were in Hilton