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FarmerJayhawk said:

Wednesday at 2 for Wilson

And there we go , Well looks like I was wrong - well hopefully - -so let me have it throw rocks bombs anything I'll gladly take it if it turns out like hopefully it does. - I was dead set he was going back to Michigan

Just doesn't seem to fit with this time frame - -unless Juwan gets that in home over the weekend think they are done and out. - -Do Schools visit recruits in home over the weekends? - I'll take all the bunk you want to hand me - -be really sweet if we land him. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@jayballer73 Nobody is accusing you of bashing Garrett. You're also sounding like you think Garrett has to average 15 a game and be a focal point on offense to make up for his offensive short comings and nobody is suggesting that either.

Even if KU lands Moss and/or Wilson, Marcus will be a starter for KU next season and average 25-30 mpg while averaging somewhere around 7-9 ppg. An uptick in his shooting, more than possible considering he is a career 35% 3 point shooter in B12 games, means teams can't ignore him on the outside. Even when teams where, he was still driving on teams even they were sagging and being very successful with that.

Marcus Garrett will never be an elite offensive player and I haven't seen anyone suggest that, but his shooting numbers suggest he is nowhere near the liability on offense that you are claiming him to be.

Man I sure the hell don't know where your getting that I think he has to be a 15 ppg player - -that's just down right laughable wow where you get that from. - Bottom line is if you don't think he is a liability you need to go back and see some of those crazy ass shots from last season - let me say this one more time - -he is for sure beyond a shadow of a doubt a liability on the offensive end - -end of story. it is useless to continue this - - - -this is what I hate with some of these topics - we just continue to go back and forth - - back and forth - -and we get nowhere. - -your not going to change my opinion & I'm not going to change yours so it's time to just go to the next one - it's ok to have your opinion but some seem it's NOT ok for me and others to have ours - -what the hell is up with that? - -just let it go and go to the next topic - obvious nothing is going to change here.

Many Many people feel the same as I do on this - -many feel the way you do -- face it Marcus is just not a shooter never will be. - Marcus IS a defensive specialist. - you think he was making people pay last year scoring ummm ya ok - -your going to see even more of teams sagging off of him - -like was mentioned by Elite - - some of his three point makes last year could of swore he was gonna shatter the back board - - ugly - - ugly - -shot - stil wouldn't trade the kid love him on the defensive end. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Read this from a poster of the Phog. - -Pretty spot on I think I could see/go with this. What you think?

If the Scenario played out and Wilson & Moss both ended up here:

Center : - - -Azubuike - - McCormack
PF : - - - - - -DeSousa- - Lightfoot
SF : - - - - - - Wilson - - -Garrett - - Enaruna
SG : - - - - - - Ochai - - - --Moss - - Braun
PG - - - - - - - -Dotson- - - McBride

Looks like that would be a pretty dam salty group , Does many of you think McBride gonna get a lot of Quality minutes this year? - - could happen. - -If this is how things turned out probably see Braun RS -- yes? -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@jayballer73 I think you're forgetting that before Garrett's high ankle sprain, the light finally came on for him offensively and he was aggressive with ball. Even after coming back from that injury when he was playing at 60-65%, he was still very efficient from the floor in most games. Only ISU in B12 title game could be considered a bad shooting day for him.

I don't think you're giving Garrett the credit he deserves for adapting to teams sagging him and him still finding ways to score that weren't launching 3's (even still, he is 35% from 3 in B12 play in his career). Garrett is probably the 4th or 5th scoring option, but he'll still have some games where he goes off for 20+ next season while averaging 7-9 ppg this season.

beginning to look like this will be a mute point anyways. - -if this plays out which it is starting to look more and more it very well could. - - We will have Wilson OR Moss one or the other even quite possibly both and won't have to rely on Marcus for his offense, can't replace him on the defensive end - but offensively na - -not so much.

Ya'll think I'm a Garrett basher - -psssssst please I truly like Marcus from basher - but just clear not the answer for our shortcomings on the offensive end - and sure isn't the one that would give us a legit reason to be put as a pre season # 3 ranking. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

FarmerJayhawk said:

I would think Moss has a lot more to do with Walker maybe not being able to not reclassify.

I was just going to say/ask about that. - -Got me to thinking maybe things have been discussed and Kyree just isn't going to be able to re-classify - -so then we have this , you read my mind - as I was thinking that this quite possibly could have more to do about Kyree then anything else. - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 You'll learn to appreciate Marcus in time. We didn't appreciate RussRob either...at first.

roflmao - -- Ha that's good buddy I like you - -only one little problem. - -I do respect I by far have nothing against him. - But his not the answer - he is a huge handicap on the offensive end of the floor. - Just like some many said last year when he was in - it allows the other team to double on other players. - -were playing 4-5 when he is on the floor on the offensive end

Hell I don't how many times I was sticking up for Marcus last year , no man do even try to begin to say I don't respect Marcus. - On the DEFENSIVE END Marcus is the best defensive player we got. - Offensively - - ummm not so much

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@jayballer73 Garrett is an answer offensively if it's the Garrett the few games before his injury when he was driving and finishing with confidence and authority. I think he had 3 straight 20+ point games before the high ankle sprain so the light had come on for him offensively. He was also shooting the 3 ball with more confidence at that point as well.

This is a team that's going to be relying very heavily on defense anyway and Marcus Garrett is the best defender on this team by a big margin. Don't be shocked when he win B12 DPOY next season.

oh for sure you won't get ANY argument about the defensive end. - Offensive he is handicapped - -you going to see the defensive player not playing his as tight - -give him a little more space forcing to shoot from the outside and taking away the drive on him - -that happens he is screwed unless he has magically developed his shot

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 We have answers at the 2, and at the 3.
Both Marcus and Ochai were playing great, and then both got injured. No doubt we're thin, and need more depth at guard, but that starting lineup is primo, imo.

Oh buddy if your counting on Marcus as an answer then we are screwed plain and simple v- - defense wise ya - - offense no fricking way - - No, we don't have the answer at this point sorry

dylans said:

Anyone buying this?

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26902770/kansas-michigan-way-too-early-top-25-2019-20 ↗

KU preseason #3

No I don't/ - I think that's some high , I'm thinking more on the line of 5th or so. - - Until we find the answer to our SF and our 2 guard - -yes we have bodies but to really put it to rest and solidify - it's a crap shoot with who we have right now. - - question is do we have a legit 3 at this point? - a legit 3 that makes us justifies us a being ranked 3rd in the Nation. - you fill these two needs that we really still have need for -get us a shooter then ya. - Right now I think our outside shooting is suspect , especially on top of the fact that the 3 pt line being moved back - -w struggles last year little lone them moving it back. - -If we get Wilson - -we persuade Walker then for sure #3 - until then I think more like a # 5 - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Woodrow said:

@Marco I wouldn't put any stock into those %. Those are based off of people's picks. What happens is people go in and log a pick and might have been a year ago and then a school stops recruiting him and people don't change their picks. Those % are worthless until about a month or so before someone announces.

the only way those% change is if someone makes another prediction - -these picks are suppose to be coming from people that follow these kids around the circuts - talk to them almost daily - and some of these guys just follow another lead - about the only legit one's I pay attention to is Evan Daniels - - Jerry Meyer - - & Eric Bossi - - & Andrew slater - they are usually pretty legit - -the rest just usually piggy back off those 4

FarmerJayhawk said:

Sooo Wilson had a good time in Chapel Hill (it’s hard not to tbh) but the hot rumor is it’s all KU

NO - -not a good time - -an AMAZING time lol

BeddieKU23 said:

@jayballer73

I don't get the feeling he's going back to Michigan at all. They burned bridges not telling him the coach was leaving. Not only did his coach leave, his lead recruiter did as well.

Anything can happen. We see parents being in control of the situation more then the kids all the time and recently that seems to be a theme with kids KU is recruiting.

We'll see, I think we've been snake bite too many times in this recruiting cycle to feel confident in anyone coming here which is what I'm sensing from your comments. Hopefully a decision is made soon and its a positive one

ya, this cycle has sucked - - Just think Juwan making good connection - -we need a quick decision, I'm like their fan base in respect - - if this drags out - -the better odds of them getting him back are. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BeddieKU23 said:

FYI North Carolina insiders feel Jalen Wilson will pick KU after his visit to UNC..

Jalen is just saying he will make his decision SOMETIME this month. Michigan people think that it was HUGE that they got through the visits to N Carolina & KU without Jalen committing on the spot. Jalen said he will not make a decision the next couple of days but will sit down with the family and then decide.

Being said that since Juwan being able to have an in home visit & and them having the last shot , for sure plays in their favor - -saying all Juwan needs to do is sell Jalen on what he already loves - - Michigan. - they think the longer he waits - - the more it levels the field for them -they think they have a really good shot at him re-committing. Mama has always been a big fan of Juwan's

They have some pretty valid points. - -I've been thinking myself and still do think - - with Michigan hiring Howard I just feel he will end up re-committing to Michigan , it's gonna be awhile before we hear probably sounds like a week or more - -who knows - just don't get a good feel. - - Although one little side note , Jalen did state that his North Carolina visit was AMAZING- don't really remember him saying anything about his KU visit - just don't get a good feel. -- I think he will end up staying put at Michigan when it is all said and done. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BShark I like what I saw of him. - like you said seems athletic , can protect the rim some - seems to have some range although I wouldn't want to have to count on him in the home stretch of a tight game from range lol - -would be nice to have a 3-4 yr player like himself . - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Whoaa - -was just doing my daily surfing and came across 247 sports - - See been activity with Kyree. - - The CB had been Arkansas at - 33% - Arizona - - 33% -& - -KU - -@ 33%

Now the CB shows KU at - -50 % - -Arkansas at - -25 % -- &- -Arizona at - -25 % - -like the looks of that - -NOW we just got to get him to reclassify. - -It was Chris Fisher that put his pick in for KU. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Carolina just blowin Jalen's twitter ALL UP

Cory Evans saying he feels Kyree will stay in the class of 2020

BeddieKU23 said:

Big loss for TCU, Kendric Davis their projected starting PG is gone

where did he go?

BShark said:

@jayballer73 Correct!

This kid looks good, but he got injured.

yes he did - -but your right - - --quality , I think he is a middle line backer. - -got that good size neck - -did you see that hit he put on that running back - - whew DROPPED HIM- -like these kinds of players - - -tough. - -Believe it or not - I'm really looking forward. -- -they have us ranked 37th in the Nation right now - - # 6 in the big 12 - - but hey still solid start. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BShark said:

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Another 3* walk-on from the looks of it.

if that's true - -then that makes two within the last week I believe

BShark said:

@jayballer73 If Isaiah Moss couldn't handle Fran, he would have snapped under Bill imo.

kinda like Quentin

BShark said:

@jayballer73 FBI and looming NCAA uncertainty sure didn't help.

sure didn't hurt Arizona OR Louisville as bad - -sure they dropped some but they rebounded - -

KUSTEVE said:

@HighEliteMajor It's pitiful because it's overrated. How does Dook not cut the nets down with 3 freshman lottery picks? How does the Squid out recruit the whole world for a decade, and have 1 national championship to show for it? Why did Bill's worst years happen when he started the most freshmen? There are two elements that are always going to hold down the effectiveness of a highly ranked freshman - 1) inexperience and 2) motivation. In my books, we've had 1 great OAD, a few decent OADS, and more than our share of of overrated, immature, entitled kids. I use the Isaiah Moss example again ... ( please don't tell me how lucky we are not to have got him. he would've been better than what we got with RJ). Here you have a senior, who averaged more points than Q in less minutes, and had a higher 3 point shooting percent than anyone on our team ( considering we are almost certain to start a guy at the 2 who averaged 24.5% from 3 last year ). This guy had 3 years experience in the B10, and he visited us, and we didn't offer him. We passed.

Experience wins championships. Experience and dedication to the team, to the program is what cuts the nets down. Tech brought in 2 outstanding seniors from other programs, and almost cut down the nets. The last two years, our best players in the tournament ( Dedric/Malik ) both came to the table with experience and skills. Now, it doesn't work every time ( Charlie/KJ ), but it works enough that a team that has to try to recruit in Lubbock, Tx made the national championship game after losing 5 seniors the year before. Contrast that with the recruiting fiasco that will forever be known as the " RJ Circus".

Oh but we could offer Isaiah right? - -cause we were to focused on RJ - -ya right - -we see where that got us huh? - BURNED - - -AGAIN. - - remind me again where did Isaiah sign again? - - not here right? - -and where did the kid that you bypass Isaiah for where did he sign again - - -BINGO - - NOT HERE - -these kids are not waiting anymore. - -So instead of landing that really solid player with experience - -we get ZELCH - again. - -we have got to just start doing better at recruiter the -these middle tier kids - one more time listen very closely to what I'm saying I'm not saying quit recruiting the OAD's - all I'm saying is got to better with these kids a little further down the line GEEZ

justanotherfan said:

@jayballer73

Lets do a quick thought experiment here. Let's say rather than recruiting DeAndre Ayton, we focus on recruits in the range that you outline, so we are looking at Jeremiah Tilmon, Dan Gafford and Jalen Hill. All three of those guys signed in state.

Tilmon has been solid so far, 8 points, 4 boards as a freshman, 10 and 6 as a sophomore.

Gafford has been better. 12 and 6, then 17 and 9.

Hill has been disappointing. He missed his freshman season with the China shoplifting incident. Averaged 4 and 6 this past season.

So we target all three of those guys. Gafford is the best, but good luck getting him out of state and away from Arkansas.

Same story with Tilmon and Mizzou.

Maybe we land Hill, but he's easily the worst of the three and he likely has very little impact either last season or this past season even if he doesn't get suspended.

And that's assuming we get him. We could just as easily recruit that next group and still strike out because so many of the guys in that range stay regionally close to home/ in state.

We don't gain a recruiting advantage by pursuing that range of recruits, and we likely don't get impact players like you will recruiting the top 20-25.

We basically become a higher level Iowa State.

Thanks I'm done - -no need to continue - -, if you refer to posts such as BShark saying we missed out on just as many of the lower tier this year - just like I ask him - -I'll ask you- -why you think that is? --Because 80 % of it is these players are getting tired of being called upon as option 3-4-5-6 - -how many OTHER players did we try to land before we ended up as some say scratching the bottom - -and we misses - -these kids have gotten to the point of just saying enough is enough - To many people seem to think these middle to lower recruits will piss themselves if KU's name is even mentioned about recruiting them - News Flash that Boat has done sailed. - -They feel they deserve the same type of recruitment as any other - and why shouldn't they? - - -Does Mitch come to mind? - look at him. - -He by far is not elite. - But I'll take Mitch any day - -he loves the school - -bust his ass every time out - -he isn't one of these OAD'S bitches that only play defense when they feel like it- - -Refer to Quentin Grimes - - LaGerald Vick - and countless others - -How many of these OAD'S do you see giving their body up diving for the loose Balls? - -or how about one of these precious shit's trying to take a charge? - That's Mitch - you know him - -a guy that is willing to do whatever it takes - -to get the TEAM win.

Or I'll take Ochai anyday - -guys that are will to commit 100 % day in - - day out - thing is we are starting to lose out on these types of players - - WHY ? - -already told you. - OAD'S are fine the whole thing is - -we need to put more effort to recruiting the 40-50-60 type ranked - -you can find some hidden treasures - -say like oh I DUNNO how about a Frank Mason - -OR - -Devonte Graham - - what about McBride , ya we got him - -he will be fine - -I'll take him - the quality player, - but if you don't try to recuit these guy until option b-c-d-e - it is gonna come back and bit you right square in the ass.

BShark said:

I feel like ku missed out on just as many multi-year guys this time around

why you think that is?

HighEliteMajor said:

That's a straw man argument. No one says it's "automatic" or that we might not miss or strike out. Of course, things "could" work out poorly. Of course.

As with anything else, it's percentages. Likelihoods. Risk. One of the worst arguments is to compare an absolute when the absolute is not part of the initial argument.

If we focused on non-OADs through 80ish, the great likelihood is that such a focus will pay allow a greater a pay off in that range than we have seen in the past. How many recruits have been left hanging, waiting on an OAD decision? If we made certain kids the priority and the first choice, instead of a second or third choice -- being KU and a blueblood -- that would lead to more players in that range. If we limit expenditure of recruiting capital inside the OAD range, that recruiting capital is focused elsewhere. The amount of travel, time, and effort focused on the OAD group is significant.

It's not that there isn't risk. There is. But a focus of energy and resources, and prioritization of certain players, is better the gamble.

That is particularly true given the alternative. One thing that can't be ignored or debated -- our return on presumed OADs has been pitiful. That, alone, might suggest a different path.

Couldn't of said it better. That's what I've been trying to at least say. I'm not saying we just quit recruiting elite players - -what I AM saying is I don't think we are giving ENOUGH time to like HighElite is saying -enough time to the middle tier those 3-4 yr possibly - -and again like others are saying we have been by passing - -the 4--90 players only to try to come in very late and try to get them to come by then supposedly just being overwhelmed by our name only b- -like was said we even have to recruit these players - it's not getting done - -or at least strong enough.

These guys being pushed back to 2-3-4th options - -and when we fail and get used and fail again- - -THEN and it seems ONLY THEN do we try to push for these kids - -and were gonna learn - -one way or another we will learn -that these kids - -some take offense to that.

Kinda like OH NOW I'm good enough - - -NOW you want me - - ummm no thanks - -these kids aren't stupid - they wants to play for people that really want them - -not some last ditch panic recruitment. - We need to be recruiting these types just as hard - -instead of using them as possibly fall back - it's just not getting done

justanotherfan said:

jayballer73 said:

BShark said:

justanotherfan said:

If a top 20 prospect busts, you get Quentin Grimes. If a lower prospect busts, you get Anrio Adams. One guy you can still play every night, and he can come through big in some games. The other is borderline unplayable.

The guy you recruit that's ranked 50 something better be legit, otherwise you get nothing.

This is spot on. There is generally a better floor the higher up the rankings you go.

True - but you have to get them 1st - you spend the entire yr battling all the other blue bloods and then when you strike out - - - you REALLY strike out. - you have spent your year on upper tier guys and then you lose and by then you haven't given the middle tier guys a sniff - -now they not gonna give you one.

This is true of every recruit. Its not like if Bill Self walks into the living room of any kid ranked between 30 and 80 that kid is going to immediately sign with KU. We have to recruit that kid, too.

That kid may want more PT, too. That kid may want to stay closer to home. That kid may want to go to another school, too. Its not like players 30-80 only have one scholarship offer.

It's not automatic that we sign whoever we want just by recruiting lower ranked players. We could still strike out. We could end up with only one or two guys instead of three or four. And because those aren't high end guys, we may not be able to make up for that.

And you don't think we realize this - -but I'll tell ya what - - we having a lot more success at the middle tier then the higher - hen your spending all your time just to get screwed round like Hampton - -or Ayton that got bought off - -mainwhile back at the ranch you not even sniffing at the middle tier focusing all your time on elite - - Can't work like that - -proof is in the pudding - -Hell who ever you recruit you have to work - that's an obvious statement - -but you have to knock 1st TO WORK - we not even acknowledging a lot of these middle tier - that is a MISTAKE

Well guys , I hate to be a guy that pee's on peoples parades BUT - - -I'm just not feeling it with Jalen. I just don't get that feel he is coming here. - -You would of thought he might of at least said that he had a good visit on his twitter or something - - been really quiet on it from other KU fans/people - -just noting being said period. - -unlike when Rayjon Tucker was here it was lighting up - - -just real quiet - the only thing I seen was when he was coming in and he said - - Whx up Lawrence? - -basically it.

Read N Carolina board - -pretty mixed over their about 50/50 thinking he might go there. - -Had to laugh at one of the posters made the remark that he had wanted N Carolina the 1st time around. -Thought not sure what article you seen that but best read again. - -He had made the comment that before he visited Michigan he was pretty set on KU - -talked about how he really liked the Morris twins.

I have just felt this for awhile now - -I think with Michigan hiring Howard - -and Howard having set up a time to talk with him - - I just really think Jalen ends up re-committing to Michigan - I hate it , but I think is going to stay put. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Keep Rolling Les. - -just received another Commitment . - - Deuce Mayberry 3 * - - -CB - out of Owasso Oklahoma - -Keep on Rockin , - -7th commit - - moved up from 42nd - -to 37th in the Nation in the rankings with this pick up - -Awesome - - -Les tweeted - -here come the Jayhawks. - think they were kind of high on this kid. -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

dylans said:

@BShark and Ochai is actually athletic. No oops (or ups) for Grimes. And the best thing is Ochai actually wants to be in Lawrence!

Well Q MIGHT have had the ooops - -we just didn't see any lmao

Well hope Jalen enjoyed his visit. - -Didn't hear hardly anything should be leaving soon - -hope we made a really good impression. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

FarmerJayhawk said:

Ok so here’s what I’ve gathered so far. My connection at his former HS in Winston Salem said he’s a pretty unassuming kid. He hasn’t been in the US for long and as a black French guy moving into the American South, he had a bit of a rough go of it. Just culture shock. This is a charter school with a pretty stringent disciplinary structure, so just wasn’t a good fit. I didn’t hear of any handler/guardian issues.

He’s really ambitious though, unlike a lot of French guys. From a basketball standpoint, he’s a pretty quick learner and takes to the perimeter aspects of the game more quickly than the post. Which is common. He’s not a jump out of the gym athlete. More of a smooth player. They think he may end up around 7’0. Needs to get stronger, but shouldn’t be a problem once he gets into a legit S&C program. I was told his frame is “a sight to behold.” And this is my opinion, but once he gets some legit coaching and conditioning, this could he a steal. Worst case, he doesn’t develop and leaves.

So somewhere late yesterday after I seen this I know I rea where he said he wants to make a decision by early June.- Mercy did you see that? - he hasn't even visited KU yet - gonna be fast decision if he wants to makes his decision that quick

BShark said:

@jayballer73 Looks like his list has expanded according to Bedore.

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Josaphat Bilau, 6-10 originally from France, now at SPIRE Institute in Ohio, tells me he has a list of KU, Georgia, Wake Forest, Pitt, Nevada and West Va. and he is working on setting up a visit to KU. We'll see if anything develops here. KU has 3 schollies available.

Well he looks decent. - -I guess I'm just to easy to convince. - but man says he is looking to make a decision in Early June - and he is still sitting up a visit for here? - - Man that gonna be quick.

I thought he had removed Georgia when he added us. Don't think probably he will land here - -I dunno though I'm sure he knows he needs to develop - -maybe he will be willing to come in and work play some spot minutes. - -looks like he is athletic - -can protect the rim some - nice stroke - -finishes at the rim - -could be decent in time

tis4tim said:

@jayballer73 And you already have the nickname ready: “Jumpin’ Gee Josaphat”

-- -LOl - - not that is a good one lol -- Touche budy - -I like it lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 I wasn't saying that Moss was a must get by any means, but i'm hoping we don't get totally skunked. I'm trying to warm up to JW- I think some of my caution has to do with him being so close to RJ, and that's probably not fair on my part. If he signs with us with the idea he'll be here for more than a year than we'd be foolish not to have him in light of our current situation at the 2/3.

Oh I think there is no doubt that Jalen would be here for more then one year - -quite possible 2-3 yr guy

BeddieKU23 said:

Well , now you did it - - lol you just had to go and put this hi-lite reel on here huh? lol - - I know it's just me but from what I seen the kid looks decent. - I think what surprised me probably more then anything was his range - -got a lil 3 pt shooting ability - -looked pretty smooth with it. - -runs the floor pretty well - - -ha a little rim protection - - - finishes at the rim - - - having said about his 3 pt ability - -wouldn't want him to be jacking a lot of 3's though lol. - -However - he is a 5? right? - - if true - -could be he could move out some - pull the opposing big man out away from the basket.

Not sure how he would fit for this year though - we got quality 5's already - -Maybe a 4? - I dunno - would be a decent pick up though - who knows? - -looks athletic. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BeddieKU23 said:

Dang looks like the guy is pretty decent size - - maybe my eyes going bad. - -when I mean decent size, from this picture anyways looks solid - I dunno - -like the body frame

BShark said:

@FarmerJayhawk Appreciated. In trying to piece stuff together here I did some looking online. He announced a final four schools previously about a week ago. It would appear that he cut Georgia from that list and added KU.

who are the other 3 schools buddy?

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 We were positive we would get RJ, so we didn't offer Isaiah Moss. Now we're looking for a guard.

Exactly - -just to many misses. - -Previous years we still have missed -- maybe not like this year , BUT seems like we are missing alot

BShark said:

justanotherfan said:

If a top 20 prospect busts, you get Quentin Grimes. If a lower prospect busts, you get Anrio Adams. One guy you can still play every night, and he can come through big in some games. The other is borderline unplayable.

The guy you recruit that's ranked 50 something better be legit, otherwise you get nothing.

This is spot on. There is generally a better floor the higher up the rankings you go.

True - but you have to get them 1st - you spend the entire yr battling all the other blue bloods and then when you strike out - - - you REALLY strike out. - you have spent your year on upper tier guys and then you lose and by then you haven't given the middle tier guys a sniff - -now they not gonna give you one.

I'm by far not against the one and dones for sure you ought to know that. - Yet my question is - are we spending ENOUGH time recruiting all the others ? -seems like all we are focused on is OAD'S or close to it - -we need a better mix in the years to come

Just like Jalen now they have him at 5oth - but yet have hear he is under ranked should be 10-15 higher - that card can be played with others - THEY very well could be under ranked - -just need more even mix'

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@jayballer73 are the top schools recruiting those kids?

Ok , so went back through and checked about the question you asked. - - -Now I didn't write down every kid that was ranked from # 24 through 80 - I didn't write down every top 5 school he listed but I did browse and found and going to lists schools that are in their top 5 - -give some examples of who is in their top 5 schools:

Some of the schools I seen listed with these guys were : - - -Oregon - - - -Maryland - - Florida - - -Syracuse - - -Alabama - - -U Conn - - -Duke -- -Ohio St - - -Louisville - - -LSU - - -Tennessee - - -South Carolina - - -Wisconsin - - -Xavier - - -Butler - - -West Virginia - - -Purdue - - -Arkansas - - G'Town - - -Clemson - - -Arizona -- Arizona St.

Those were some of the schools listed with these guys. - Now I realize true may not be THE BLUEBLOOD - well other then Duke - but the point is - -they are being listed. - -KU is not even getting listed with these kids. - I know some of these Schools that listed - you mean to tell me these kids wouldn't at least have an attentive ear if Ku reached out to them - with them being ranked where they are? --

If I were a kid that was say oh ranked in the middle 60's -70's and you Had KU reach out to you show interest over say someone like a Clemson OR Xavier - -or Purdue OR just using as examples - -you as a player with that ranking wouldn't even at least listen to what KU had to say? - -something just doesn't seem right - -these guys aren't even giving us a sniff - that's where I'm wondering if we are just putting all our efforts into just more the top - -top - -elite and not enough attention to other really good quality players?

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@jayballer73 are the top schools recruiting those kids?

I didn't really focus as much on what other schools were recruiting them . - -I was just going down the line to see if we were in there top 5 choice of Schools - I'll have to see what other schools might be interested or in their top 5.

The thing is we are battling for the top elite against the Kentucky's - -The Duke's - - The North Carolina's - - The Arizona's. - - - The Michigan States -- our success rate isn't the best - then in turn in the main time were losing out on the upper to middle tier guys that are still really good players I thinking possibly because we just ARE NOT showing enough interest in these players - and then when we are losing out on the elite - we try getting involved with others and it's to late.

Like some people have mentioned how they would prefer guys that are a little less possibly the guys that stick for 2-3 years - even 4 yr guys that develop into pretty dam good players - - exp - - Frank - -Devonte - those types. - I just think maybe we could change our plan of attack some - -a little better mix/ratio - -try to put more effort possibly in maybe the not quite so elite but still very good. - -just random obversation - -who know's I might just be totally crazy on this. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Kcmatt7 said:

3-Star Walk-On is a good sign.

This is the type of thing good programs have happen to them. He may not turn into anything. Or he might be the next great story.

Very true and you can always look at it like this also. - -If we are starting to attract 3 * players as Preferred Walk on means that we are getting more involved with 4 * players and getting at least their attention - We have been through the time where if we got a 3 * to even give us consideration we would be in 7th heaven. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Was doing some looking this morning with the rankings of 2020 recruits. Found kind of interesting. KU is listed as in the recruits top 5 schools mentioned - - OR has had a CB pick in10 out of the top 24 recruits for 2020 - -BUT then out of the next 56 recruits - -that I stopped at # 80 - - KU is only mentioned with - - 4 times.

So that got me to thinking this , Are we spending to much time on the top elite top 20 players/recruits & not enough time trying to recruit that middle tier player? - - -Just seems our success rate with these top level elite players are at a minimum Then we are losing out on some pretty quality 2-3 yr players - -plyers that might just need a little more time but yet very good players - -solid that will stick with the program and develop.

It kind of looks like we are spending all of our recruiting efforts on the Top - -Top players and not so much for the Upper end but not elite players - ending up costing us - -which puts us in a scramble mode - running around looking like a chicken with our heads cut off scrambling to fill the roster/position needs -- Plan - -A - - B -- C. - At least at 1st glance seems to be the case - I mean from the 24th ranked player to the 80th ranked player - -not to be even listed as one of the kids top5 School that the kid is interested in? - -only 4 kids out of 56? - Something seems kind of funny there - -Are we just not recruiting these kids? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BShark said:

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This kid committed today. I think as a PWO. Just amazing that kids are now really wanting to join KU football.

Hell ya , and on top of that - think we have a really great kid Ashaad - changed his last name it was Clayton - now Johnson - he is a Pooka Williams version II - -Another Rb from Louisiana -

He made his announcement that his decision is coming soon. - he tested just recently at a 4.37 forty yd - blazing speed. - think we got a great chance at hime - -Good times on the Horizon buddy

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 Vendetta? Nope, just keeping it real...lol. I think he's a tweener... I think he is too slow to defend the 3. I think he doesn't seem to want to play the 4. He shoots the 3 ball well. If he comes aboard, I think that forces Ochai into time at the 2, and I would prefer we have a better ball handler at the 2. I think he will hurt Ochai's development. Although we certainly need outside shooting, I don't think this guy is going to be a great fit. I hope his "best player" remark was confident bravado, and not some line that RJ's daddy told him to say. I hope if he comes aboard, and he doesn't start a game, that he doesn't go hit the transfer portal right away. He could end up being this year's version of Q... a guy that looks good at times, but has down times, and doesn't take well to the team concept. I don't personally dislike him, but if he doesn't defend well, and Marcus takes his spot, I think we could have another transfer portal moment.

With having said all that, I think I'll trust the Coaching staffs judgement on the kid. - -I mean if he is as bad or possible determent , as some think he might be , kind of makes you wonder WHY the Coaching staff would be on this kid as hard as they are. - - Can't say because of the need for a player at the 3 -which is by the way they are recruiting him for - If they didn't think he was worth the time - - they wouldn't have tried to get him here the 1st time. - - They have been given the 2nd opportunity to get him to come play. Hopefully he will commit.

As far as his remarks about being the best - - once again I am glad he feel that way , it's a kid with lots of confidence , that feel she has what it takes , a kid that sure the hell won't be scared off from competition - THAT'S what I want a competitor - Ochai needs to be at the 2 - -not the 3 , I don't think Jalen's dad has told Jalen anything other then backing him and giving him support. - Me as a farther I would want my boy to have that confidence - gonna go a lot further in life - - not only now but later on in life on top of it all. - -Confidence plays a huge part in life to succeed. - -He better be confidence - I'm good with the way he is. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@KUSTEVE Mercy man you sure put out a quick Vendetta against a kid just because he said he was the best. - What do you want him to say? - -I'm no good don't recruit me, don't waste your time I'm not worth a shit? - ya that's it - much better to hear him say that.

How many others do you think the same - - what should they think? - if they lack that confidence , -- then I don't want them - I have seen way to many timid - - none aggressive - - kids here it about makes me sick. - example - -way to many players to many times had wide open slams and they wanted to finger roll the ball of the backboard little flips - end up getting it slammed off the board - got so sick of that crap.

Instead of when the opportunity came up - instead of taking it home finishing - they wanted to be more like Wee Willie Wonkie - -If the kid has got game and can back it up - -then so be it - nothing wrong with having some edge - -Cockiness - -attitude - -also shows opposing players that he isn't takin any of their bullshit.

Anyone happen to remember the Morris twins? - -how many times did Ku as a team about get into fights on the floor because of them -- -that's attitude - -love it. - -you got edge & attitude awesome - -you can have attitude and not be dirty player like Tripper boy -- there is NOT ONE THING WRONG with thinking your a good player - -a really good player - I know I sure the hell don't want any of my players if I were coaching I wouldn't want it any other way

Jalentweeted out -- Lawrence what's good. - - Offical recruiting visit began like 30 minutes ago was suppose to arrive at 7:30 - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KUSTEVE said:

@BShark I'm glad he's going to be better than Q. Will his attitude be better, too? I get it...we need outside shooting. But after RJ and Q, I'm pretty much done with the drama queens. If he wants to come in and be a part of a really good team, then I'll welcome him with open arms. If he walks in thinking he's the big shit, demanding playing time, I would just as soon see him sign with the Tarholes.

Think your confusing Confidence with Arrogance . - Nothing wrong - - Again with confidence, don't even really when it comes down to it think he is demanding anything - tell me any player that would rather sit then start? - -just simple the kid has game and not afraid of competition, and has edge to back it up - I have 100 % confidence Jalen would/will be just fine here. - -I think if he does commit , he will walk right in and start anyways - -not really sure who else would fit that spot with the type of athlete he is , I would have to say if he plays the 3 I just don't think there is anyone else on the roster at this point that would be better then him - -and with his outside shooting ability - -again better then anyone else - I think it would be a no brainer - he can stretch the floor, handles the ball decent has nice stroke - we gonna be ok. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

So Question , wondering what would be so wrong with us trying to get back involved with Zach Harvey? - -kid from Topeka/well was from Topeka. - He had that incident with pics and sending texts or something - but that's all over with now right? - What would be so wrong with trying to pick that back up again # 39 in the class of 2020 -- just curious. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY