FarmerJayhawk said:

BigBad said:

I honestly dont give a rats ass about these guys. The sad fact is a lot of them "go to college" and can barely speak passable English. Then they leave early out of pressure of supporting their entire family. I'm sick of the low expectations put on the young kids today. Forget bettering yourself as a human being, just go chase money with no other skills but low level pro basketball ones.

idk about you man but if my family was borderline homeless and I had an opportunity to really help them out ASAP I'd do it in a heartbeat. Thankfully I've never had to make that choice and getting an education has been a tremendous privilege. Some aren't so lucky.

Agree with what you have to say. - -Kinda of funny how people need money to survive - -huh? - like you say if these kids family - - Mother/farther - -siblings struggle - -you dam straight I'm going to make that money to help my family. -People can call me what they want - -my family is my Everything - -period. - -" FOE " - -family over everything

Bosthawk said:

K.J. is not nba material... more playing time may or may not help his overseas pro career. Kansas has so many positives for him. The coaching, the top tier program, more time with Hudy... or yes he could play more somewhere else, certainly not a blues blood school, but somewhere where his style and size are needed. You know, committing to relentless D and learning team ball, challenging himself would get him playing time. Marcus garret gets a lot of minutes in those qualities alone, why not K.J.?

bottom line plain and simple - - KJ isn't coming back. - -His minutes will not be increased. - He will never be the defender that Marcus is - - -and chances are with what w got coming back - who's spot is he gonna take additional minutes from.- - -?

You put that with Dedric leaving - - and he is leaving make no doubt about that - -KJ very close to his brother - - - - -KJ gonna be a grad -he will transfer - -play his one year being a grad transfer - and getting more minutes - -won't be at a blue blood school - he will transfer to another school where they can really put his minutes to use - -he not coming back here with limited minutes again when he can go else where. - There is many of school he can transfer to where they will play him with his limited Defense or not - they will still play him -He is not coming back. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Woodrow said:

Jarret Sutton was on the radio today and he is a NBA scout for the Clippers ( I believe) and he said that the only one that SHOULD leave is Dedric. He doesn't think Doke and Q will get great feedback from the combine if they get a invite.

Now I could be very wrong on this BUT where was it that I heard or read where Doke might not even be ready for the NBA Combine? - -that he would miss out on that? - - maybe even someone had posted on here sometime back - I know I've seen info about that somewhere. - -Just can't remember where. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

HighEliteMajor said:

@jayballer73 I'd have to agree with your projections there. Heard from Petro that Matt Galloway projects that Grimes will leave. Our luck might be that the only one you're wrong on is Charlie (less is) Moore.

If these projections play out , then Coach and staff has got work to do - -thots of Scholi's need filled

I think IF ALL of these did happen - which is a pretty decent chance of happening then that would mean we would have still 4 more open even with the 2 that we have committed.

Then the prefect storm to come from that would be for Hurt - - -Precious - - - And the kid I can't remember his name begins with an E I believe - and then Stanley -that would be a really good late signing.

However again I think Hurt's ship has sailed - - I have heard NOTHING on Stanley - -I thought he was suppose to announce pretty soon - but probably stay out west. - -So that leaves Precious and the other - -got work to do for sure. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

nuleafjhawk said:

@BeddieKU23 PLEASE tell me you're kidding.

NO not kidding - -that is his brother name lol

BeddieKU23 said:

@justanotherfan

Romeo still couldn't shoot the 3 worth a-beans. Worse then Grimes actually. Besides his 3 he probably was a superior player though which I think would have benefited this team.

Agree in general Self has lost a lot of his Plan A & Plan B options recently. Grimes & Dotson's were Plan A's. Agbaji fell into their lap. McCormack is someone they built a relationship with for a while and became a focus. They knew they could build around him, he's going to be a 4 year guy most likely that KU gets tremendous production out of going forward.

Would go a long way if Self could salvage the 2019 class with Plan A's Hurt or Achiuwa, or both. I don't have a good feeling about either but I hope I'm wrong.

JRE and Samuel Williamson were both clear cut misses. Both McDonald's kids now.

I agree with you for sure Dave. - -I have been already to see improvement with him - by I would say his JR year and like you he will be a 4 yr guy - -but by his JR year I think this kid is gonna be really productive both ways in scoring and rebounding - and he has the size that is gonna be really hard to defend

I think Hurt has rode of into the sunset. I just think that ship has sailed - -saw where he now is trying to set something up to visit Memphis. - just feel if he was so interested in KU as once was believed to be - he would of committed some time ago -hoping maybe to get Precious now -..

BeddieKU23 said:

Nice stats @Texas-Hawk-10

Defensively Self has work to do. A no-brainer really. How many guarded 3's did Auburn make on Saturday? I don't think there was one. That's a big problem. Villanova was the same issue. Texas Tech & Iowa St other examples from this year.

Offensively he just didn't have the personnel this year. He mentioned being concerned about shooting before the season even started. I guess we should have known then. Vick became an exceptional shooter, he easily was on target for 100 3's on the season and was the one piece of offensive Self couldn't replace after his absence.

The guys lacked confidence in taking shots. I watch other teams just let it fly. We didn't have guys with the green light like we were used to. Vick had it but it took him almost 4 years to get to that level. The offense was so robotic and stagnant and for good teams was easy to guard. We didn't put pressure on teams to guard us. Most guys only looked to score if they were open. This years team was completely different from the trio of Devonte, Svi & Malik. Grimes & Lawson were the only guys that would take contested shots all year long. The guys that come back have a ton of work to put in on the offensive side. Hopefully the two signed newcomers will improve the level of shot making and competitiveness among the veterans.

see this is where I felt really bad about Auburn and the way they spread - -I said we were in trouble , people disagreed. - -I saw this 3 pt defense all yr - -just sucked - WIDE OPEN 3's - time - -after time - -after time - -just like you mentioned with Saturdays game. - Hell you give shooters like Auburn have -they gonna kill you - -and they did. - -just got to get better

Azubuike - - - - Gone : just don't see coming back improves his draft status , said before - -say again - don't even see much of a chance in NBA - -he is the old NBA big - - more chance over sea's

D Lawson- - -Gone : - - probably low 2nd round/D-League - -again better chance over sea's

KJ Lawson- - -Gone: - - -Brother gone , - -limited minutes here - - - will be a grad transfer looking for more playing time in his final year of eligibility.

De Sousa- - - -Gone - -NCAA has screwed him - - may wait to see about appeal, - yet that ruling isn't gonna change - penalty will remain - - -more likely then not puts his name in draft

Moore- - - Gone : - - -Transfer - -no future here period

Grimes - - -? : - -50/50 chance - -he for sure needs to come back for another year , BUT what I hear that people in his camp - -Mom/Dad - just an of year , and NBA still likes him drafting on potential - -size.

justanotherfan said:

Harden is a tremendous athlete. Might get moved to defense in college because of his athleticism. Likely will not play quarterback in college. While they are at it they need to get his backfield mate Ky Thomas in the fold. Thomas is a running back and can stay at RB in college. Thomas may be the top player in Kansas next season.

SO considered more of an Athlete right? - - Thomas has already made a verbal to another school - can't remember who though - - going out of State. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Kcmatt7 said:

Looks like he could either be a great WR or a mediocre QB. My guess is he starts the latter and ends up the former once we get him here. Definitely a D1 caliber athlete though.

That's good to hear he IS D-1 caliber athlete. - pretty sad the kid is right here in my home city and I haven't been keeping up on his recruiting - - makes 2 Kansas kids for next year. - -Do you now by chance what other schools other then K-state may have been interested in him? -size? - - 100 yd time? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Woodrow said:

https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/McDonalds-Precious-Achiuwa-likely-to-take-more-visits-looking-at-late-May-decision-130501017/ ↗

Not a ton in here on Precious, but says he won't decide until May. No other visits planned right now, but says he is planning on taking a couple more.

Also saw where Hurt is working on a visit to Memphis.

You beat me to the article lol. - -The only thing I saw an it isn't squat - just difference of wording between the visits with KU and N Carolina:

Of his N Carolina visit: - - said ya it was good - -they was playing Duke and was the biggest game on tv for basketball -it was a good trip

On his KU visit : - -It was GREAT - -was talking about the fans and enviroment- - -talking about how the fans showing energy - not the words he said but I can't spell the word so - -pssssst lol. - -Again it was just the way he worded = I know really reaching but hey it's my post - -let me reach and stretch things to the way I want to fit things lol - In my fantasy world means he enjoyed his trip to KU more then to N Carolina lol - -hey I can fantasize right? lol - - did say no more trips scheduled RIGHT NOW but they are looking and they will - -no decision until late May probably. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Well I just read where we got our 4th commit for next season. -- - Some talking about must be Les Miles version of the true Dual threat QB.

his name is - - - VonShai Harden 2 - -out of Topeka High - don't really know a lot right yet other then played QB at Topeka High - -and talk about may be switched to another position hell who knows lol - -All really know right now is also recruited by K-State - -came out on twitter - -says he is 100 % committed to KU - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Texas Hawk 10 said:

jayballer73 said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

BShark said:

kjayhawks said:

Duke got away with at least 3 fouls in the final minute

Anyone but Zion and that is a charge.

That last one was not a charge, UCF guy flopped on that one. I'll agree on some of the other ones, but that last one was a good non call.

bullshit - -you got to call SOMETHING - you can't swallow your whistle on that. - -It's either a charge OR a block. - -you can't chew on the plastic on your whistle on a play like that - - -- one way or another - that just made him look REAL stupid

Sorry, but that last one was a non call situation. The UCF player flopped trying to draw another charge on Zion since Zion got called for a charge the possession before that. The UCF player flopped on that one and didn't get the call and put Tacko in a bad spot and that led to Fall fouling out on that play.

There were definitely issues in that game with officiating, but I didn't see anything to take major issue with in the final minute of the game.

The other play people are crying about is the RJ Barrett offensive rebound off of Zion's missed FT, that was one of the weakest box outs I've ever seen. The UCF player never got into a good box out position and was almost standing vertically which made it very easy to move him. I could've gotten that offensive rebound on that box out because of how weak it was.

The refs kept Duke in the game, UCF buckled under pressure when they should have won that game. An easy lay up missed, a flop, not boxing out, two missed shot at the basket all played a bigger role in determining that game than the refs did.

maybe that is why I quit officiating after 15 plus years - - -I promise you that would of been called if it were me officiating that game- -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Woodrow said:

I think KJ will grad transfer out as well.

kind of what 'm thinking

Texas Hawk 10 said:

BShark said:

kjayhawks said:

Duke got away with at least 3 fouls in the final minute

Anyone but Zion and that is a charge.

That last one was not a charge, UCF guy flopped on that one. I'll agree on some of the other ones, but that last one was a good non call.

bullshit - -you got to call SOMETHING - you can't swallow your whistle on that. - -It's either a charge OR a block. - -you can't chew on the plastic on your whistle on a play like that - - -- one way or another - that just made him look REAL stupid

Kcmatt7 said:

Eric-san said:

I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I don't see DL or QG leaving.

Lawson is 99.9% gone. He will have a degree and someone willing to pay him a significant amount of money to play overseas. I have no idea why he would stay.

KJ - gets his degree - -but are you sure on Dedric? - - KJ older

BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

I thought it was Belichick's fault

It is Belichick - - has to be lol

love the thread , but I'm finding the words for the season , I want to try an express myself hard to come by. - -I guess the best ones would be frustration - -disappointment - I guess really just the whole gauntlet.

This would be the time typically how I would want to say that I feel bad for the Seniors - -BUT seeing as we have none - -kind of takes care of it'self. - -Finding hard to express about Dedric -- seeing as how as he is here for only the one year - I just finding it hard to get that feeling with him as the 3-4 yr players that I have made that connection with and KU family. - -I appreciate his play - -play well for us - -So don't I feel as bad about him moving on? - He was one of our main cogs - -but yet I'm not really mad/sad about him leaving? -- Hell I can't even answer that myself.

Like it has been said other places today - -somehow - -someway we just need some athletic guys to sign on - maybe like Precious - but I'm not holding my breath - We need a ALPHA DOG - -someone who wants the ball when we need to score in crunch time.

I think we have the base /the start of a very good team coming back you take : Dotson - - -Obaji -- - And Mc Cormack that's a pretty good start - - - and then possibly Grimes coming back - -like has been said we just really need a couple of really athletic guys to complete the squad.

I've already been through the truck load of emotions with this season - -this tourney - ran through the cycle from being pissed - -to sad - -to depression - -to feeling bad for the players - - still trying to rebound and get my KU spirit back together for next year - - -gonna be a long off season - having to go through this GOD forsaken time of fricken Summer where you have to sweat your ass off - - -takin a shower and then 5 minutes later feel like you need to get right back in and take another. - -putting up with pro baseball - -crazy to hear myself saying that when I had a shot to play pro ball myself - just losing interest in it

Now having to go through this NCAA - BS - where I think they're gonna make us their whipping boy - -NCAA has a wood for KU - -want to get this BS behind us. - -Did Coach Self do wrong things? -and if he did - - should he be let go? - -should the staff be let go? - I personally don't think coach had the knowledge - -maybe wishful thinkin I don't know. - -Think I'm just reverting back to my depression stage already - - again - -I will take me some time - -I know I get wrapped up in this to much - -I know that -- I'm just avid as avid can be.

I hear people tell me not to take it so seriously - -but that's just me - -as you all know I get hot and I know I let things get to me about KU far to much sometimes - -problem is I love my School even though I neve attended - -just got to take time and re-group - -get my stuff together - It's always like this after the NCAA'S -gonna be an interesting off season

I just feel more likely then not - - Doke is Gone - - -Both Lawson's are gone - - -of course Vick is gone - - and still think because of more reason then not - because of his inside the camp ( Folks ) - - Grimes is gone - we shall see. - -BUT ONE THING for sure that will never change - I will always be a ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Woodrow said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Auburn players are not better athletes? What?? Did you watch the game? Self, Grimes, and Dedric all commented on how fast and athletic they were. How they were surprised by how athletic they are.

As Self said they have players that make plays you can’t coach, That’s athleticism,

there was no question that they were better athletes - - for the most part quicker - just totally more athletic - -made us look silly a lot of times

cragarhawk said:

Drugs are bad...

roflmao - - exactly what I was thinking - -but yet I was thinking - - -WAIT at least he can share lol

cragarhawk said:

Lol. 30 pt ass beaten

remember we got the 2nd half to go - - - -could be 40

DanR said:

They are jacking up shit shots. Are you all watching the same game?

Are you?

DCHawker said:

Can we just once get back on defense and make then run a set or two???

NOPE

DanR said:

Auburn getting cocky with the 3 now

why the hell not? -- hell they can back it up? - you got to call it like it is - -we are getting our as handed to us on a platter - these guys are getting embarrassed - -hell no wonder they are hitting such a high pct of their shots- - -do you see anyone around to try to defend their 3's? - - if you do holla - cause you got to be watching a different game then I am

cragarhawk said:

Well our perimeter d has certainly improved..

lock down Defense lmao

BeddieKU23 said:

@Kcmatt7

Absolutely.

I'd take him here in a heartbeat

hell ya. -- -we need SOMEBODY that can shoot the ball - -this group we got right now is a joke

OCHAI - - - -OCHAI - - - OCHAI - - OCHAI, - -we have to have much of OCHAI - -would be great to maybe OCHAI AND QUENTIN BOTH BE ON ON THE SAME NIGHT. - -we need both to help for sure. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY - -let's do this

Kcmatt7 said:

And worst call of the day goes against Baylor and Vital picking up his 4th on what was either a charge or no call.

AGREE. - How could that NOT of been a charge? -- if not a charge - -then he traveled after the contact - -what the hell? -you gotta call SOMETHING. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

So I think the two BIG things for possible win. - -We just HAVE to be able to defend the 3 - - -AND - - we have to take care of the ball - -keep the dam turnovers to a minimum. - I think they said Auburn is at the top or near the top of turning opposition over - we can not turn the ball over senseless. - -they gonna pressure a lot - -getting close to go time - - -the motto? - -"Taking care of business " -they been talking trash - -so let's give em some trash. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@truehawk93 KSU made the E8 without Wade last year.

Ahhh but we don't live in the past - - this is NOW - -that was then - -didn't make out of the 1st round this year without Wade if I remember right did they? - I don't feel the least bit sorry for those bunch. - -I agree 100 % with @truehawk93. - - Guess their fame to game is sharing the Big 12 conference title - Good for them. Last year I was thinking about being the Pope too - if we wanna live in the past - -they are exactly where they belong

I just don't get it. - - I just don't understand how in the hell Reid Travis can just time after time just back down and then turn and lower his shoulder into the defender and actually bully his way into the guy - -the defender bouncing back from the force of the contact from Travis -driving his shoulder into the defender - -the defender standing trying to hold his position arms straight up and we get NOTHING - just let Travis continue to maul the defender - this isn't fricken Football - I mean come on Dam - I officiated for 15 plus years -- I'm callin that a charge EVERY DAM TIME - --you just can't allow that to not be called a charge - -just bullshit

I don't know - feeling kind of calm. - not sure why - -have a huge assignment , trying to defend the 3 pt shot today -they just space the floor and let it fly and if they get hot from the 3 were gonna be in trouble. - - So I should be nervous as hell right? - - BUT yet I'm not - maybe it's a sign.

Maybe it's because again were not excpected to win by many people. - -That's ok - let us play the under dog role - -I'm nervous - - BUT yet not THAT NERVOUS. - -Have my refreshment ready and let's just toss it up and see which way it goes - -ROC CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I'm so used to the round of 64 game being a stressful nightmare. That game was a leisurely breeze.

kind of nice for a change lol. - -Northeastern defense was horrible. - hope the guys don't think they are going to be able to drive the lane time after time after time like they did today. - but ya it was nice to just enjoy and not stress lol

RockChalkinTexas said:

Now don't go getting big heads squad. Just get rested for next. Has to give them some confidence.

It's gonna be a big jump - -another team that can spread the floor - - only better athletes. -- just gonna have to defend the three like today

You know wouldn't surprise me in the least to see North Eastern to come out in a zone defense - try and make us beat them from the outside. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

RockChalkinTexas said:

Let's go #Jayhawks
We need to come out fast and play inside. I don't trust our 3 point shooters.

RockChalk

let's just hope D Lawson doesn't go alligator arms again in the 1st half and shoot 2-11 - - again

Hawk8086 said:

Never seen so many boneheaded plays in the last minute as the Auburn/ NMSU game. First, Harper's foul out with 15 secs. left. Then the NMSU guy not taking the layup to the Auburn guy fouling the 3 pt shooter....Then with the guy only making 1 out of 3....Auburn wins by default.

Ya I thought what the hell with the New Mexico St player had the step to the hole to tie and he kicks it out - -dead lay up

New Mexico St just blew that - -3 free throws and you can only make 1. -- Auburn gifted you the game - -and you said no thanks - - Sad. - -

The way I'm hearing from so many different people including Coach Self just saying they can really stroke the 3 -we are not gonna have it way against Northeastern for sure. - -defending the 3 is sure not a strong point for us. - -Oachi is starting off the guy which is suppose to be their stud gonna be guarding him to start - we shall see. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Saying Auburn is a ba match up - - is an under statement-- -they love that fast paced and shoot the 3 - not good

Nick - -Class Act - -was when at Ku - - Is now - -ROCK CHALK

didn't we play New Mexico State earlier this year?

wissox said:

My perfect bracket is now wrecked.

you wait and watch - -I'm gonna have that perfect record - - - -a perfect record of ZERO correct lol

Well guys , ONE thing we got going in our favor for the tourney. -- Us as fans don't have to listen to ol Fran anymore this season - -that's a plus - - lmao. -- ROCK CHALK AL DAY LONG BABY

Well I'm starting out sweet. - -I took Louisville - -Thanks Pitino - - thought it would be better then that. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Another off topic stat -streak We lead the Nation for the most consecutive streaks in 20 game win seasons: - KU - - Duke - - Gonzaga - -& Louisville - didn't say how many but we lead the Nation in that also - - another little streak to keep

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark That NMSU team is solid. I do fully expect that to be a down to the wire game.

New Mexico St runs the clock the full 30 - - these kind of tams want that slow pace - -Auburn has forced them into some pretty bad looks 2-3 times already - having to chuck up some terrible last second shots. - -gonna be as you say - I think down to the wire.

@Woodrow REAL LONG my friend lol - - just watching the others right now

focojayhawk said:

It's Christmas morning everyone. Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas lol

HighEliteMajor said:

Meniscus is tricky stuff .. one of the biggest complications related to ACL recovery is if the meniscus was involved. That can add multiple months to recovery. It's better long term to have an ACL tear with no meniscus, than just meniscus tearing (as all of you with meniscus issues surely know!). My daughter deals with that and it is not fun. My older son recovered from the ACL deal without issue. Obviously more traumatic when it happened, but he has no ill effects now. Except for soreness where the ACL was attached to the tibia with a screw.

ACL is no good either -But I like I was saying I tore my Meniscus - and then turned around and re- tore it - - to go along with a torn LCL. - So I had my torn MCL & LCL both loads of fun lol - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

be a game you can be nervous about for sure.- - they shoot 48 % from the fiend -- - 75 % from the line - -like 6 players shoot 40 % from the three - - -- -Notable games : - Beat Alabama by 16 - -Lost to Syracuse by 23 -- - Lost to Virginia Tech by 28

All depends on the 3 - - - shooting 3's is their obvious strength - -If their on - - were gonna have to strap it up - - question is how do we defend their 3's ? - if we defend the 3 today like we have all year - -we could be in trouble. - -If we do a god job - - I'll take my chances - -if their on - -were in for a tough game

Result ? - I think like I've been hearing they have no answer for our inside game - they are like 257th in the nation defending the 2 point shot I read - result I think we find the way and win by I'll say like 9 - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY