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Moore • Jun 13, 2018 08:12 PM

BShark said:

Grimes, Dotson, Moore and Garrett are all good at driving. Teams are definitely going to pitch a tent in the paint.

Except for NOVA.

NOVA will try to get Grimes, Dotson, Moore and Garret to drive every possession!

3 > 2

Every drive is an auto-stop, or a self stop, if you will.

Every drive is choosing to attempt 2 points instead of 3 points.

Thus, every drive is foolish.

Every drive instead of a trey is 1/3 of a self stop.

Each time a team takes a 2 point attempt, when it could take a 3 point attempt, it is a monument to stupidity, unless...

One is playing the clock with a big lead over an opponent late.

Moore • Jun 13, 2018 08:11 PM

@KUSTEVE and @drgnslayr

The "more" you guys talk about "Moore," the more I see him being Self's version of the SMU guard that lead us to victory in the World University Games a few summers back.

@KUSTEVE

I see a structural strategic problem with tolerating 35-38% perimeter shooters and thinking that one does not need to keep shooting a lot of treys, because we have six bigs, and can get more 50-60% stick backs. Its rooted in 3 > 2.

Leaving aside that most teams probably will NOT be able to emulate Nova; i.e., not be able to be apparently stacked with 6 > 39% trifectates via metaphorically unmarked dump trucks apparently dumping apparently mischaracterized 75-100 rank players late at night in the Palestra parking lot good enough to blow out teams loaded with 1-75 ranked players and 2-3 >39% trifectates, what Jay Wrong demonstrated last season is that there is always some number of 3ptas by one team greater than the number of 3ptas taken by another team that yields a winning edge, if the three point shooting team taking more 3ptas is shooting even reasonably well. This is CRUCIAL to keep in mind as we move forward in college basktetball.

You don't have to have six > 39% trey ballers to take 10 more 3ptas than the opponent. You can do it with 2, or 3, or 4 trifectates. But your shooting volatility (variance due to particular shooters being on, or off, for a game) apparently rises as the number of 3pt shooters declines. The more trifectates you have, the more likely you are to find at least two trifectates in any given game able to shooting at the 40% mark, or higher. So: the more trifectates you have in the rotation, the less volatility risk you face in playing the 3pt-first way. Jay Wrong showed that six, including two trifectates at post, lowered the volatility so low that Nova could steamroller its way through a six game tournament with ease, if he were just willing to keep shooting more 3ptas than an opponent, regardless of how many 3ptas the opponent took.

Self's strategy of trying not to shoot more than 25-30 3ptas, rooted in his deep, quasi metaphysical faith "balance," became his own self made prison last season against Nova.

Moving forward, we can reasonably hope that Self, who has broken through all his previous metaphysical blinders in the past, when harsh losses knocked them from his head, will be dialing up the treys to 10 more than his opponents, whenever he plays a good three point shooting team.

Speaking conceptually, at least, there is always some number more 3ptas you can take to offset either a hot trey shooting opponent, or a volume shooting trey opponent. Again, conceptually, one should even be able to offset some increment of deficiency in 3pt accuracy of your own team by taking more treys than an opponent that shoots them more accurately than you do.

For example, much as this runs counter to certain board rats beliefs, KU would likely easily have overcome Nova's hot hand in the tournament, if Self had just dialed up the 3ptas to +10, or +20, above what Nova in fact took, IF, that is, Jay would have let him.

Every attempted short trey by adidas-CST KU was futile against NIKE-EST Nova. There were not going to be hardly any short treys called, so every time KU took what was given by Nova's defense, KU was being the 2 in the 3 > 2 equation. And Jay took advantage every chance he got by answering a KU 2 with a Nova 3.

3 > 2 is essentially the new E=mc^2 of D1.

Note: its actually not new either. From the moment the trey was instituted, a few coaches, like Paul Westhead, of Loyola Marymount, and certain others in Division II, and NAIA ball, have tried to exploit 3 > 2.

The corollary to 3> 2 is: every time a team shoots a 2, shoot a 3, until a large enough lead is built worth defending with 2s.

Fouling everywhere all the time could work against a good three point shooting team, if one had enough depth and fouls to give.

Self appears to be set with six bigs and so positioned to try just that.

But when you foul an opponent every where all the time, you reduce their offense more or less to a FT shooting offense. KU's opponents averaged .713 from the FT stripe for the season. That sounds pretty daunting to overcome and it is. But the idea is to foul so much that the refs won't call them all, and so much that even a high make rate from the stripe cannot replace the misses created on shots inside and out, especially the threes.

Stop and think about it.

Every time a foul is not called and yet triggers a severely hampered shot, or a steal, or TO, that is in effect 2, or 3 point attempt that never get effectively attempted.

Self has long grasped that he can beat a lot of teams simply by getting sharply more shooting attempts over 40 minutes.

But the more 3 point attempts an opponent takes, the harder that is to do, unless you counter the trey with your own trey at the other end. Fail to do that and you begin a long slow process of ending up with fewer attempted points at game's end.

So: what I believe Self was signaling, when he said that Dedric would likely take as many or more 3ptas this coming season, as Lagerald Vick took last season, is that Self has learned his lesson from Jay Wright.

Self is going to scheme a smothering, foul everywhere all the time defense cornerstones on six post men with 30 fouls to give, allowing: a.) his perimeter to overplay the trey out to about 30 feet; and b.) eliminate all unfouled 2ptas in close.

But that's only the defensive part of the equation.

On offense, Self has likely learned that you have to shoot more treys than your opponent until you build a lead that can be defended, and the worse your three point shooters are, the more three point attempts you have to take to make up for their deficiency in three point shooting accuracy.

The object of the game is to score the most points, not to score them with the higher percentage of accuracy.

The way you score the most points, if you are not a great shooting team, is to ramp up how many points you attempt, so even though you may make a lower percentage than your opponent, you attempt so many more that you wind up scoring more points anyway.

ffensive rebounding and second shots

The most productive paths to more attempts are:

a.) more steals and TOs diminishing an opponents attempts in ratio with yours; and

b.) more three point attempts in ratio with their three point attempts and more three point attempts in ratio with their two point attempts; and

c.) more offensive rebounds and second shots.

Clearly, KU will get more offensive rebounds and more second shots because they have more bigs.

By playing foul everywhere all the time, it could create a much greater number of steals and TOs.

By taking more treys than the opponent, and more than KU took last season, it could end up scoring more points, despite its likely lesser 3pt shooting accuracy.

Whether we bang it inside a lot most of the season against cupcakes and lesser opponents most of the season is pretty immaterial to preparations for trying to prepare to win games in the Carney from the Sweet 16 onward.

From the Sweet 16 onward, when player abilities and roster depth increasingly converge at higher and higher levels, attempting more points than an opponent is the surest path the scoring more points than an opponent.

Part of the net advantage comes from shooting more treys than the opponent does.

Part of the net advantage comes from preventing more shots of any kind by the opponent.

But I would still rather try to attempt more points than an opponent with a bunch of highly accurate three point shooters, than not.

Rock Chalk!

Signs are everywhere. • Jun 13, 2018 06:54 AM

BShark said:

I ran into Jaybate's garage sale today. :grinning:

An old guy with loads of conspiracy, deep state etc.. books. Many were filled with "uncensored eye witness accounts".


Yawn.

Conspiracy is for suckers.

Moore • Jun 13, 2018 06:06 AM

BShark said:

Frank's SO and JR numbers were very similar, almost identical.

Nice officiating conspiracy thrown in for good measure.


Howling!

Let me play the straight man.

Question: Why EXACTLY might it PROVE SOMETHING, if they were similar, or identical? Frank was a vastly better player the second half of his junior year than he was any time during his sophomore year. Do you not understand that Frank's role change drastically from sophomore to junior year, and quite a bit from junior to senior season, too. Don't you think the changing rosters had an impact on Frank's numbers and on the roles Frank was assigned by Self? If not, why not?

Next....

THERE. APPEAR. NO. CONSPIRACIES. IN. D1. IMHO.

NONE. HAVE. BEEN. PROVEN. THAT. I. CAN. RECALL.

YOU, @BSHARK, APPEAR POSSIBLY ADDICTED TO IMPUTING CONSPIRACY TO THINGS :-)

I TRY UNSUCCESSFULLY TO HELP YOU GET THIS CONSPIRACY IMPUTATION MONKEY REGARDING ME OFF YOUR BACK.

CONSPIRACIES ARE APPARENTLY FOR SUCKERS.

AND MISCHARACTERIZATIONS OF OTHERS WITH "CONSPIRACY" AND "CONSPIRACY THEORY" APPEAR TO HAVE LOST THEIR SMEAR POWER.

ONE NOW HAS TO CALL SOMEONE A "TRUMPER", OR A "COLLUDER WITH PUTIN AND RUSSIA," OR MY NEW FAVORITE--"AN APPEASER OF NORTH KOREA."

OF COURSE, I'M NONE OF THOSE, AND I DON'T BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACIES AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT CONSPIRACIES IN D1 EITHER.

CONSPIRACIES IN D1 ARE APPARENTLY FOR SUCKERS..

ROCK CHALK!

@HighEliteMajor

And don't forget the tiny hands.

@Lulufulu

Let me distill it this way.

When Self loses all of his trey shooters at the height of the trey ball era, one expects him to sign some more.

But he didn't. Not one. Not from any rank of player.

One expects him to sign at least one or two, especially after Self and KU had won 30+ two consecutive years shooting the trey ball first. But one also expects him to sign some, because previously Self and KU shot the trey ball second for a lot of years, with considerable success also. They went inside and then kicked the ball out to some great trey ballers in the old paleo-high-low days; guys like: Brandon Rush, Mario Chalmers, Kieff Morris, Marcus Morris, Tyrel Reed (46% his junior season), Sherron Collins, Travis Releford (>40% his last season), and on and on.

You see, it kind of taxes logic to think that a coach like Self does suddenly, willfully decides not to sign any replacement trey ballers. What coach in his right mind does not want to sign some >39% trey ballers for his trey-free roster, when he even has a schollie left to spec on at least with some 75-100 guy like Frank, or Devonte, or like any of the six > 39% trey shooters on Nova last season?

Here is what we know: Jay Wright could sign SIX >39% trey ballers from the 75-100 rank alone. These were guys that were also good enough to shut down all of our guys defensively, and all of the guys they faced in the Finals versus Michigan defensively. These were guys that could and did win a ring walking away and blowing blue blood out like they were the Topeka YMCA.

Further, we know Self likes guys that can drain the trey >39% and we know from experience with Frank and Devonte that Self once was able to sign trey ballers from the 75-100 rank that could guard, too, just like Jay has done. Maybe Self cannot sign as many >39% trey ballers as Jay can (for god only knows what reason), but we know he can sign a few, especially when he is willing to dip down into the 75-100 category of players. Right?

But for some reason, this season, Bill Self didn't sign any. He didn't sign any from the 1-75 category, and he didn't sign any from the 75-100 category.

Reflect on that a moment.

There appears only two likely explanations for NOT signing any >39% 1-75 rank guys, AND not any 75-100 rank guys.

Explanation 1: Self has decided he can't win with >39% trey ballers, regardless of ranking and so decided not to sign any, or...

Explanation 2: Something prevented him from signing the >39% trey ballers he wanted to sign from both the 1-75 category, and the 75-100 category.

Which do you think is more probable? Reason 1, or Reason 2?

Or do you think Bill Self has fallen victim to a negative anomaly (being unable to sign any >39% trey ballers from both categories, because all the guys just didn't want to play for a HOF coach, at an elite program, that just went to the Final Four and has played 4-1 for two seasons and won big shooting the trey first) the same way some want to believe that Jay Wright lucked into a positive anomaly yielding him 6 > 39% trey ballers (including two post men)?

I am not sure who constitutes the greater anomaly: Self and KU having none this season, or Jay and Nova having six last season.

Can you think of another Elite D1 program without a single returning >39% trey baller that ALSO did not sign a single > 39% trey baller?

I can't.

Not one.

Wow!

That too is quite an anomaly.

There's a whole lotta anomalies going on.

Rock Chalk!

This...Is...Brilliant • Jun 12, 2018 07:56 PM

If KU were smart, it would go into business with these folks and make enough money, so they do not have to grovel to adidas quite so much!!!!!

I want one NOW!

Moore • Jun 12, 2018 07:49 PM

I haven't even watched the feeds, but from the beginning my hunch has been Self sees a guy in Moore with the potential to play like the guy Larry Brown sent us for the World University Games. I doubt he is there yet after his time at Cal, but I think that is the kind of player Self hopes to develop Moore into.

Frank was shooting guard going to Towson State when he took him and saw the inner point guard that did not really bear PG fruit till his junior season. Frank was a most athlete with a great shooting eye and an afterburner like nobody's business. But his ball handling skills and shoot/pass judgements were suspect his first two seasons.

Devonte was a born point guard that was kind of slight and gentle. It took him a season and a half for Self to let the inner lion out from the shooting guard position; then after a full season of roaring his junior year, and running the point to rest Frank at times, the born PG and the inner lion converged his senior season at the point.

Self has done the stuff too many times with too many successes to be pessimistic about Moore and his lack of a fifth star.

The key thing to remember is that Frank and Devonte REALLY benefitted from just one summer of playing with that terrific little fire plug of Larry's down at SMU. Now, that guy was a point guard from the Dean, Brown, Self breed of point guards!!!!!

I suspect Moore is going to adapt pretty well to what Self wants out of him at the point.

But outside shooters are born and refined, not made.

So: the big question is this: is there room in the game these days for a point guard that cannot pot the triceratop at 40%, or higher?

By this I do NOT mean can the guy start and lead KU to a lot of wins and conference title. Put enough bigs and 5-star wings, so that all he has to do is distribute, push and guard, and no PG needs to be a Frank, or Devonte, from down town.

But to go to the Final Four and have a prayer of winning with all of these long and strongs at the 3, 4 and 5, sooner, or later, the team has to beat a 3-point offense like KU had last season, or a three point offense on steroids, like Nova had last season. The encounter usually comes from the Elite Eight on. And for those kinds of teams, your point guard is a serious weakness, if he cannot pot the triceratop. There are just too many possessions when a fine opposing team's momentum has to be dagger with a trey, or possessions down the stretch, where a gap has to be closed with a trey, or a trey has to be answered with a trey, and "running the stuff" won't get a three point look quickly enough.

But worst of all, EVERY coach in America is going to be trying to emulate Jay Wright's zone, not just his volume trey shooting. And that zoning is going to be absolutely destabilizing to any team with a point guard that can't drain the trey >40%.

Why?

Because it is so easy with a match up zone to turn things into a 5 on 4 game, when all a point guard can do is pass, or drive.

First, no-one cares if a CST point guard wearing adidas treads can drive into the seams of a zone in the EST Carney, because he is going to get the hell fouled out of him and never get a call.

Second, a PG that can't pot the triceratop is a guy that a match up zone can ignore and stretch to help on someone that can.

It is hard to believe how fortunate KU has been to have two consecutive > 40% PGs. It is just the best of all possible worlds for the Small Ball Era.

To conclude, I am not really even a little worried about Moore being a fine point guard able to run the stuff Self's way.

What I'm concerned about is whether he can be a serious threat from the trey stripe, when there isn't any other way to manage games than to take and make treys?

@Crimsonorblue22

Same here.

:pray_tone1:

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@drgnslayr can he guard a nova 3 or 4 man?

Crucial question for sure. My guess is that Self thinks Dedric has the kind of athleticism that Brandon Rush had pre knee injury.

But it is still not clear to me that Dedric will be playing 3, though I would love it if Self were to essentially go to a triple post offense (not a triangle offense, but three post options opponents have to guard down low. One post on each block and a high post at the free throw line. Dedric would likely be that high post. Let' Dedric rotate high low with either of the two low posts. Whenever Dedric winds up on the low block, if the opponent keeps guarding him with their perimeter 3 position player, let Dedric take him tot iron. Whenever they switch a big onto him down low, release him to the corner to take the trey with the ball reversed around the perimeter to him.

This will be VERY tough for teams to guard, even the best teams in the country. But it only works if Dedric can guard athletic 6-3 to 6-6 3 position players.

Having a lot of good rebounders is only a decisive edge, if they kick the ball out to 40% trifectates. If instead the rebound and make 50-55% of 2ptas, then 3 > 2.

BShark said:

@jaybate-1.0 I don't take opiods but thanks.

As for your original post, I actually don't entirely disagree. It's a very interesting case study to even compare say, the original text of Mark Twain compared to what is available now. I was just having a bit of fun.

————

Of course you don’t, because I am right!

Entirely disagreeing would look ridiculous.

😀

But partial agreement? You can always save face and sell that!!!

And regardless, I’m just having some fun here. Not to worry!

@BShark

Are you sure? I don’t use a doctor that you could call either!

Dish, no take?

HighEliteMajor said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 From the boss man himSelf:

I would also observe that he said “one” of our bigs is a three point shooter. Lightfoot?

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Mitch seems out of the trey role.

Mitch could be getting a rouge Italian smoking jacket.

HighEliteMajor said:

Did everyone know that Bill Self said he expects Dedric Lawson to take as many 3 pt attempts as Vick did last season? Perhaps an insight into his newly minted 3 pt mind.

Great dot.

Here is one possible connect: Dedric is the only guy he trusts to pot the triceratop. Gulp.

@dylans

As Self’s teams prove often, games are rarely over in the first half. My god! We have come back from worse than that!

Certainly, we would have come back effortlessly had we had six trifectates > 39% including two in the paint!!!!

BShark said:

Never one to let facts get in the way.

———-

Never one to grasp meaning of facts.

Facts without analysis with insight are more misleading than lies!!

Chop chop @BShark!

@dylans

But not if The trey ball team just shoots 10 more 3ptas than the muscle ball team.

Jay worked that math out for everyone.

JayHawkFanToo said:

GS 3-point shooting percentage against Cavaliers.
- Game 1 36.1%
- Game 2 41.7%
- Game 3 34.6%
- Game 4 36.8
just sayin'...

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That translates to 40-42% from D1 range with D1 defense. Just sayin’....

BShark said:

Paging Jaybate's doctor.

Paging BShark’s Pharmacia!!!! Opiate abuse!

Howling!

History, especially academic history, now appears firmly in the jaws of hypermodernity and also typically intensely coopted by the winners. Therefore, I have felt compelled to revise a beloved lyric (Que Sera, Sera) to help ordinary folks remind themselves of this situation, whenever they are confronted by a stream of effectively fake histories on any topic of interest to the private oligarchy.

Sing along with me...

"Que ha sido, ha sido

Whatever has been, has been

The past is not ours to see

Que ha sido, ha sido"

:-)

My father, a retired Marine Major with all his parts still attached after visits to the Solomons, the Marianas, and the Jimas, in the War to end all obstructions to sea lanes, oil reserves, and noncompliant central banks, said, "Son, whatever you do, be on the side of history and be lucky. One or the other isn't enough. But accomplish both and the rest will take care of itself."

Over the years, since his death from wise old age, and not a knee mortar, I have taken this sage wisdom to heart, when I have had the insight required to infer history's side and direction forward.

So: what to make of KU sailing into the coming campaign without three-guns in the shadow of Golden State winning big with 3 > 2 and Villanova winning big with 3 > 2 and Duke having won big recently with 3 > 2? And KU just having had a couple 30+ win seasons and a Final Four appearance with 3 > 2?

I'll tell you what to make of it: KU is a fast ship sailing into harms way.

Some sporting rose-colored Ray-Bans have counseled not to worry, because even Easy-Roy could win a ring without >38% trey shooters.

The above comforted me until I recalled that all the other good teams went down to injuries, failures to show, unfavorable matchups, and lack of apparent Nike-EST referee bias.

Let's drop out of hypermodernity a moment and get real here, people.

KU will not get the apparent Nike-EST whistle in the Carney, like Nova.

KU will not get to shoot and make more 3s than the the other teams shoot and make 3s, like Nova.

KU no longer has a Jesuit Chancellor, or a Jesuit AD, like Nova, and this can be a serious impediment in both God's eyes and god's soldiers' eyes.

KU does not have a Jesuit Coach, like Nova's Jay Wrong, but such things are rarely decisive in inter-religious rivalries. After all, the Golden Domers made hay with Protestant Knute Rockne. And there have been some great Catholic coaches at secular state universities. We knuckle dragging ordinary folk don't worry about such things. But TPTB, well, they keep score on such things. It apparently matters to them that the US Supreme Court is stacked half Catholic and half Jewish with a tie-breaking former Catholic cum Episcopalian. (Note: Where are all the Mormons, Christian Fundamentalists, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and atheists on the Supreme Court?) Hence, we can infer that while KU lacking a Jesuit Chancellor, AD and coach, may not hurt KU, it for certain will not help it in the grand karma of a Carney. :-)

KU is also not in the EST, as Nova is. We all too well know what THAT implies. Non EST Teams win the Carney with about the same frequency that the private oligarchy does not get its way in foreign policy.

KU is also not contracted with Nike, as Nova is. I won't even master the obvious here.

What KU suddenly and conspicuously has in its apparent favor is as many L&S bigs asymmetrically stacked, er, anomalously "developed," at the Monarch of the Midlands, as trifectates were stacked, er, anomalously "developed" at the Palestra last season.

So: in the current basketball novelization (soon to be a major Netflix gaze'n'graze) "The Age of Asymmetry," co-written by Bo Wildmon 2.0 and Edith Wharton 2.0, the plot plays out that KU has been stacked by the one-eyed forces of darkness and pre-selected for myriad reasons to win it all (one improbable side of history that could be quite victory-filled to be on), or...

Self has in perhaps desperate recognition of what he perhaps appears no longer to be allowed to sign--trifectates--stacked, er, "developed" his team with bigs in hopes of not playing the three ball game the apparent forces of darkness appear now increasingly to be playing, and has instead torn a page from Jay Wrong's asymmetric stacking, er, anomalous "developing" of six > 39% trifectates.

Yesterday, I explored the prospect of how Self and KU might exploit the asymmetry of 6 L&S bigs in the Age of Asymmetry through the convention of allusions to Tolkein's Ring Trilogy in which the forces of the single flaming eye of Dark Lord Nikron might be outflanked by an allied uprising of the majors and mid majors of Midway Earth.

Note that the analysis distilled to guard hard and then determine how many dunk attempts (DAs) it would require to raise the 2pt percentage high enough, in combination with the guard hard, 30-foul-to-give-inside defense to net more points than the high octane, high point-per-possession offenses of recent teams like Golden State in the NBA, Villanova in D1, and even the last two KU teams in D1. Interestingly, I posed the foundational question of how many DAs would it take to beat three-point happy teams in the Carney and got no responses. I cannot say that I blame board rats for not responding, since most, like me, are probably not at all convinced that KU could feasibly take-and-make enough dunks to raise KU's 2pt% high enough to defeat a high octane three balling team for the EST under the specter of the Dark Lord Nikron. Capice?

So: this brings me to consider the other possibility; that KU is SOL before it starts--a fast ship destined for sinking in the harm's way of the Battle of Dayton aka the site of the 2018-2019 March Carney Final Four.

Under the SOL Scenario, KU steams all ahead full through a season of asymmetry, same as it did last season. Last season, KU had outside game and next to no inside game. Well, it had Doke who could be counted on to dunk 8-10 times, and to have to be pulled situationally for weak FT shooting, the last 5 minutes of each game. But otherwise, things inside quickly defaulted to slim (Mitch) and none (as in no credible D1 bigs). The 2017-18 Jayhawks were asymmetric OUTSIDE.

In contradistinction, the 2018-19 Jayhawks will be asymmetric INSIDE.

Asymmetry wins many battles and looks impressive doing it.

But looking back over history, asymmetry is NOT a recipe for winning wars, or basketball titles.

Recall that in addition to having asymmetric advantage in 3 point shooting, Villanova was the only team in D1 to have BOTH a strong inside game and a crazy strong, essentially unprecedented outside game.

If Easy Roy's Easy Heels of the prior season had come up against a balanced team; i.e., a team with both an inside game and an outside game, let us be frank: Easy Roy and his Easy Heels would each have one less ring. Period.

So: it looks like KU is sailing into harm's way this season, pretty much as it did last season; i.e., with a gaping vulnerability that can be exploited by any well-diversified opponent that can score inside and outside, and make its free throws.

Will there be many such teams next season?

No.

Will there be a few.

It is reasonably rare when there aren't at least one or two. For every season like the one that Easy Roy and his Easy Heels won without having to face a well-balanced opponent, there are 4 or 5 seasons where such opponents are present and one or two usually make it to the FF. And, of course, one usually wins it.

I realize that last season's stacked, er, freakishly endowed Villanova Tricats probably will prolly NOT be duplicated (though not for a lack of trying).

But should KU lack a single > 40% trifectate, well, it would really only take a team with a 4 man big rotation and two > 40% wings and KU's fast ship of L&Ss--a phenomenon observed most seasons--and the USS Jayhawk will be sitting at the bottom waiting for Jim Cameron to send the sub he used to explore the Titanic to explore the USS Jayhawk.

Real Hoops Politik: its a female dog, er, excuse me, it is a gender non-specific dog.

@jayballer73

No.

It has no > 39% 3pt shooters.

Hypothesis: This ranking might enable bet balancing and distract from the small group of NIKE-EST teams pre-selected for the winner of the Carney to emerge from with some anomalous mix of MUA; I.e., 9-10 OADs, or 6 > 39% 3pt shooters, etc.

Villanova's EST dragon awakened (or should have) the basketball world to the formulaic, mathematical advantage (3 > 2) of shooting at least 10 or more treys than one's opponent, no matter the number of treys the opponent shot. But that three point dynamic assumed the other team unwisely, even slavishly, adhered to the conventional wisdom of the ancients that good teams ought to maintain balance between 2pt and 3pt shooting and not shoot more than 25 treys, lest they descend into a gothic arena's dark lair of a dragon guarding shimmering iron pyrite, rather than gold bullion marked long stolen from Fort Knox by private central banker owners.

In turn, a number of board rats, including yours truly, have hand-wrung about KU's lack of 40% trifectates in the upcoming 2018-2019 season of questing after the ring that reduces so many to little more than Gollam's in complimentary tennis shoes.

Interestingly, other board rats have responded that in the three-ball era reigned over by apparently EST-leaning Petroshoecos and their apparent dark allies--the Media-Gaming Complex, one still does not necessarily need a lot of 3pt shooters to win rings. Their counter intuition is that teams can defend their ways to Ringville and they point to the paragon of defensive flaccidness--Roy Williams--leading his North Carolina EasyHeels to a ring with a defense oriented team of 5-stars the year before Jay Wrong dipped into his black bag of stochastic tricks and became Lord of the Threes.

There is, after all, seeming improbable feasibility in defending one's way to Jay.R.R. Tolbate's dream of a KU Ring Trilogy, in which the little people of Midway Earth band together under the deft leadership of good sorcerer Bill Gandself, ally with other elements of basketball's 300+ high and mid major kindoms, and root out the soleful, one-eyed Dark Lord Nikron and his band of one-eyed head coaching dragons defending the gold backed, brand-channeled, Carney system of entertainment value-biased competition (all only reputed, of course).

But the strategy of defending one's way to a ring, or a Ring Trilogy, or even to a runaway Ring Singularity, in which Bill Gandself were to overcome his inner Gollam and go all Wizard of Westwood and win 11 straight hinges on more than just lowering one's glutes on the defensive end and guarding harder than Theoden.

Since, a team from Midway Earth has less chance of getting a short trey in the Carney under the watchful, burning eye of Dark Lord Nikron, the counter-intuition of defending one's way to a ring must be a blend of maximizing hacked 2 point attempts on offensive end with lowering glutes and opposing team shooting percentages on the defensive end.

Thus the objectives distilled are two: maximize two point shooting percentage on offense, and minimize both 2pt and 3 pt shooting percentages of the opponent on defense.

Because Coach Gandself is a defense first sort of coach by self-proclamation, let us too begin explication of "how to" suppress opponent's offense with defense.

KU could field as many as six credible Long&Strong bigs: Doke, Silvio, Mitch, Lawson 1, Lawson 2, and McCormack. Seven if footballer James Sosinski were to come back a little improved.

6 bigs x 5 fouls/big = up to 30 fouls to give per game inside

The number 30 (as in 30 denied shots on 30 possessions) means Gandself could choose to massively over guard inside, and essentially deny almost all open 2pt attempts, not just the 30 where fouls were perhaps called. With six L&As, Gandelf gets to foul everywhere, all the time, inside the trey stripe. With seven, Self could arguable eliminate the two point shot entirely. Against good free throw shooting teams, this might be unwise. But against most teams with old fashioned coaches seeking balance scoring inside and out, effectively eliminating the 2 point basket practically wins the game right there.

Next, consider outside. KU could be a little understaffed outside, unless LaGerald Vick were to return. Let us assume cooler heads prevail and he does, because Self understands Vick can guard, and because Vick knows his only chance for big money is to stay focused for a season. With bigs inside that do not need to worry about fouling, and with two five stars outside, plus Vick and Moore, KU's perimeter can OVERPLAY the opponent's perimeter players and deny the opponent ANY open look treys out to 25-27 feet without fouling outside. They can simply overplay them, turn and burn back to the trey stripe on any one that breaks by, defend any pull up trey on a blow by from behind, and let the bigs hard-contest /foul any breakaway drives into 2-pt range.

Thus, KU will have minimized both 2pt percentage and 3pt percentage. High 20% opponent shooting could be feasible to maintain game in and game out, if one were willing to give an opponent 20-30 trips to the line on hard-fouled (and so unmade) 2 pt shots. This seems doable.

If so, and assuming none of our players become dead nuts on three point shooters this season, then we are looking at how to squeeze our 2pt percentage as high as possible.

Why?

Because there is no point trying to build a short trey offense for March, given that Carney referees will not call shooting fouls on an EST team guarding a CST team; that's why.

Thus, things distill to 2pt offense accuracy.

And 2pt offense accuracy quickly distills to dunking, if you lack 3pt shooting and can't get a short trey.

So: how many dunks per game should the Midway Earthers shoot to ensure victory?

Should KU attempt any shots other than dunks?

Red rooster • Jun 08, 2018 04:43 AM

I suspect that the board rats that are missing have gone undercover to investigate the FBI/DOJ thing. I have it on the QT that several of them have applied and been hired by The Black Cube and are as we type working overtime reviewing intercepts of all the petroshoeco officials involved in recruiting. Unmasking will begin August and continue till October 15, by which time D1 will be thoroughly sanitized, KU will be found to have been clean already, and a fine season in which about 100 of the 300+ schools in D1 remain to compete, while the rest are in varying stages of the death penalty.

However, I can neither confirm nor deny any of the above.

KU runner wins NCAA 10K • Jun 08, 2018 04:35 AM

@nwhawkfan

Big time impressive accomplishment.

Anyone know if she has a high ceiling, or has she pretty much reached her potential.

Pretty exciting either way, but I just wondered what to expect.

Rock Chalk!

Keegan Gushing Over McCormack • Jun 08, 2018 04:33 AM

@JayHawkFanToo

To reiterate, etc.

Signs are everywhere. • Jun 07, 2018 08:15 PM

@mayjay

Music is a saving grace.

Volume UP!!!!

Keegan Gushing Over McCormack • Jun 07, 2018 08:13 PM

@Barney

Works for me. I just remember I had a nephew that was going to have to guard him in some game or other and was never so relieved as when Sim got the wing injury, so he didn’t have to face him.

Snake bite • Jun 07, 2018 08:10 PM

Snakes are people, too.

They are being scapegoated.

It’s snakism, I tell ya!!!

Signs are everywhere. • Jun 07, 2018 08:08 PM

@mayjay

Sooner or later a national association of HOAs will form and then be appropriated by a Philangist Deep State and every one will have to do some new salute to get past brown shirts in the booths to the gated communities.

Remember once the wealth has been appropriated from the middle class, the next step is to appropriate it from the upper class that was given the middle class’ wealth.

It plays out again and again. 😀

Mitch Bulking Up • Jun 07, 2018 08:00 PM

If Mitch bulks up a bunch and keeps trying to spring and run the floor, it will be interesting to see how long before tendons and ligaments start snapping.

Keegan Gushing Over McCormack • Jun 07, 2018 07:55 PM

@JayHawkFanToo

To reiterate...He was fighting injuries all or key parts of most of his college years and really only fulfilled his potential his last one. His was one of the most snake-bitten-by-injury players of great potential I have seen at KU and before in highschool. Mostly unfulfilled potential til his last season. The great difference between Sim and Bill Bridges was that Bridges could perform at high levels when injured, and Sim had to be well to play well. I wasn’t surprised he did not cut it in the NBA. He had to be well to excell. Players like Bridges and Larry Bird probably played through greater injuries for a decade or more than what kept Sim out any given season. But there just are differing thresholds for different players. Sim was wonderful when well, but he just wasn’t a great enough talent to overcome the chronic injuries that Bridges or Bird did. Not a knock. Just the reality. But that one season Sim had was a great one.

Keegan Gushing Over McCormack • Jun 07, 2018 05:50 PM

@Barney

I recall Sim was injured most of the time prior to his last season, when he played so marvelously.

Riverboat Bill gambled big time on him and he stayed pretty healthy that last year.

Self apparently figured that Wayne got injured using all that bulk being athletic, so Bill just glued one of his tennis shoes to a low block and fed him down there all season long. Sim hardly moved from that low block on offense.

On defense, he just muscled guys down low.

Self pretty much declared running verboten for the whole team.

Playing half court and just feeding him on the low block turned Wayne into a pretty durable player for one season.

But then he went to the NBA where everyone has to use their athleticism, and the same old injury problems surfaced for Wayne.

Man, Simien was a great player when he was healthy though!

Snake bite • Jun 07, 2018 04:37 PM

(for those that don't want to read any political analysis, do NOT read this post.)

Are snake bite stories and reports on snake bites in the controlled media the latest Deep State technique for amping public fears?

Do rattle snakes have rattles?

Do water moccasins have cotton mouths?

Let's see, they tried aliens.

They tried mass shootings.

They tried fake mass shootings.

They tried chemical attacks.

They tried fake chemical attacks.

They tried announcing torture prisons 2.0.

They tried constitutional crises.

They tried weather fear.

They tried global warming fear.

They tried fire fears.

They tried epidemic fears.

They tried opiod fears.

When they are down to snake fears, its like the mind control planners are getting a little desperate.

What's left?

How about scorpion fears next?

Let's face it: when they moved Colombia into NATO, preparation for some kind of mass casualty event justifying invasion of Venezuela appeared a possibility. Now with all of the reputed designer terror being dispensed, it goes from appearing a possibility, to a looming risk. It reputedly takes a lot of predictive programming to fear-up the American public in order to really get a stampede-to-war effect from a mass casualty event aimed at justifying boots on the ground invasions of countries like Venezuela. Anyone can knock over a flat, desert country like Libya with just some internet psy-ops, black money funneled to a few groups inside the country, and some underreported bombing. But Venezuela its a big, mountainous, jungle-y place with lots of people and close proximity to the con in Colombia and the Canal in Panama. Venezuela is a dicey-er situation. Its got a ton of Black Gold and its in the Western Hemisphere. No place for mistakes. Lots of preparation required!

Fact is, Venezuela's got larger oil reserves than Saudi Arabia, even though the crude has a lot of tar in it. China and other countries made big inroads into Venezuela under Chavez, so Venezuela has been being wrung out with economic sanctions and internal intriguing. Venezuela has to be dealt with, but sanctions are taking too long.

Tensions with China and Russia over control of the Eurasian super corrdiors has apparently got the Anglo-American private oligarchy on pins and needles. So: the Anglo-American private oligarchy has apparently decided to play a brinksmanship game with Russia and China, and simultaneously try to pry away all the inroads China and Russia have made into oil and gas fields around the world. Venezuela is a key one. That brinksmanship requires keeping the American people scared and increasingly conditioned to dislike the Russians and Chinese. It also reputedly involves arming-up Colombia for an invasion of Venezuela to finish up quickly what sanctions are dragging out. The last thing the Anglo-American oligarchy wants is to get into a war with Russia, or China, with either of those countries arming-up Venezuela themselves in our backyard, so to speak.

So: they've got to go into Venezuela pretty quickly, if Venezuela won't knuckle under shortly.

That means a whole lotta scaring of the American public has to be done.

Synthetic stock market instability should also be a part of the program. Perhaps part of the reason for floating the market up with tax cuts was to get equities inflated to a point where the market collapse from war would be back to a level the private oligarchy could afford to bear and stay in control of, rather than a level so low that the Russians and Chinese could start buying everything up for a dime on the petrodollar.

Everything is about preparing the battle space these days.

Not saying a war between the Anglo-American private oligarchy and Russia/China is inevitable, just saying preparations for the strongest possible bargaining positions and risk of war appear to be being prepared for by knocking over country after country, and one of Venezuela, North Korea and Iran (each countries with huge oil and gas reserves) seem the next targets. And since North Korea has nukes, and Iran is on Russia's border, and China has just built a railroad capable of moving huge supplies and troops into Iran within a few weeks, well, neither Iran, nor North Korea seem like the next places for the Anglo-American private oligarchy to knock over, given how tough tiny Syria has been for them.

All of this stuff with North Korea and Iran seems to be diversionary tactics for buying the delay time for either the sanctions to work on Venezuela, or for the military force structure to be ramped up in Colombia to invade Venezuela. Once Venezuela is under complete control, then the focus likely becomes Iran. Qatar and its ability to horizontal drill into Iranian oil and gas fields is another chip that needs to be raked back to the dealer. But there is really no need to do anything about North Korea. For all we know, North Korea may have been being paid black money to play the fake role of agent provocateur to keep Russia and China on their heels in that region and not moving more aggressively in the Western Hemisphere regarding oil in Venezuela, and off the coast of Brazil.

Oh, what a tangled web the world's various private oligarchies have been weaving in their usual pursuits of increased wealth and power.

Rock Chalk!

Keegan Gushing Over McCormack • Jun 07, 2018 04:07 PM

Self is building an absolutely Tony Bennett style team from physical, athleticism and skills points of view, but I have a hunch he might go way beyond what Tony has done.

Lots of athletic bigs expressed in KU inches that when two inches are subtracted equate to Bennet's guys, low skills, good perimeter athleticism sans trey shooting, great looking regular season record, high rank, and quick out, when it meets a team a with solid three big man rotation and outside shooting.

Its going to be very hairy come next January watching Self shorten the bench to four bigs bigs and then three in March.

Moore on point. No trey.

Two impressive wings. No trey.

Two bigs. No trey.

But we have some 5-stars and we have a 4 big rotation til Self shortens it to three.

Whew, we are in the way back machine, Mr. Peabody.

Watch those bigs rotating hi-low.

May be Self is expecting the refs to go back to "letting'em play" bang ball.

One problem all these bigs might solve is this: fuggeddabout driving for the short trey, and the long trey, boys, because TPTB just won't give us the calls in the CARNEY. So: just play dunk ball. its all we can do come March. Let's do it all season long, til we get really sharp at it, okay?

And we'll rough up whomever they'll let us rough up.

Heck, if we get good enough at bang ball, I won't even shorten the bench...for the bigs. We'll just give 20-25 fouls in the paint. By, god, we'll eliminate the short three AND the medium 2, and just see how much they like shooting nothing but treys. Might as well, because they are going to call more fouls on us than they do on them, so why don't we just take what they give us--fouling--and use it on them, eh? By god, we'll foul them into the next century the moment they step inside the trey stripe. I LUV gettin' back to puttin' a body on'em ball!!! HA!!! Then on the other end we'll just man up and feed the post for dunks with all our foulin' bigs. Oh, and you short, skinny fellas out on the perimeter, you're gonna get in on the action, too. No more of that fool's gold "I shoota three" stuff, though. And absolutely flippin' positively none of that mid range drivin' Nike power team high school junk either. None of Cal's hop, skip, and jump rope offense stuff here at KU. NO SIR-EEE! You perimeter guys are going to 110% dedicated to skywalkin'!!!!! Every shot a lob!!!!! Oil up the springs guys, cause you guys are going to spend more time above the rim than the god danged field house roof!!!!!!

Ooooh, weeeeee, we are going to set the record for most dunks by a team in a season, you unnnnnnnerstand???????!!!!!!!!!!

Me and Cin, we figured it out on a napkin over Fog Lifter this morning. We are going to make 80% on our FGAs this season. We frankly don't care if the stinking referees give us a single FTA all season. We just don't even need FTAs, or Treys.

Welcome to take what they give us 2018-2019 style!!!!!

By God I'm gonna have Garth Brooks write us a Dunk Song and we will get the band to play it every time we bring the ball up court!

Now, don't worry, boys, we'll fast break every once in while to keep'em on their toes. But remember, nothing but dunks on fast breaks, too.

Every shot a dunk; that's they motto of the 2018-2019 Jaybirds!!!

Lagerald Vick: The Pool Is Closed • Jun 05, 2018 05:45 PM

BShark said:

@jaybate-1.0 This all started well before the FBI stuff came to light.


As I have noted many times, within just a few years after Naismith invented the game in a YMCA in Springfield, MA, theater promoters, fight promoters, and gamblers reputedly were largely in control of staging and rigging the sport in the large cities of the East Coast.

So: yes, "This all started well before the FBI stuff came to light."

Rock Chalk!

Lagerald Vick: The Pool Is Closed • Jun 05, 2018 05:42 AM

I wonder if Vick were a potential vulnerability during some of the FBI/NBA investigation that Self and KU decided to distance themselves from?

He found his way to KU through Larry Brown, if I recall correctly. And Larry left his comeback at SMU the hard way. Maybe there was some uncertainty about the Vick-Brown legacy and in the midst of what may have seemed like a highly risky environment by the end of the season, they distanced and maybe now more is known about the investigation and Vick is now maybe thought to be no longer a risk?

@Crimsonorblue22

Yes, these young dynamos that avoided the opiates, gravitated to healthy diets, stuck with pot, eliminated alcohol, and backed off acid have seemed like energizer bunnies well into old age. FWIW, many persons don't know that Paul and Linda bought a ranch near Tucson, Arizona and lived there much of the year, when they became horsemen in a big way. I read that after Linda died, he sold the place and picked up anew with music and another romance. Not sure where he hangs his hat now.

@Crimsonorblue22

Hope Paul was worth it. The guy was/is off the charts great at many phases of his career.

When you recall seeing him play, remember that he and John Lennon and the Beatles once played 7 days a week from early evening to 3 in the morning, or something like it, for about six months, if I recall correctly. They played in a crappy bar in Hamburg, Germany, according to the way the members of the Beatles told it. They played until they were fused into a band the same way a basketball team gets fused together over the course of playing basketball everyday from October to April. Just like a basketball team is born over the course of a season, a band was born during that six months. They were real musicians that did nothing but play music and discover what chords and harmonies drove the audience to dance and then to start screaming with hysterical joy at them. They were exploring electric guitars at a time when electric guitars and electrified music was still not very respected and not very well understood as to what worked and what did not. Lennon said they played so much that they finally got to the point that they knew exactly how to drive an audience wild.

They wanted to be as big as Elvis, and they wanted to sing harmonies like the Everly Brothers. They figured out how to do Phil and Don, but in the process discovered how to drive girls to the edge of their senses with music. They wanted to be as big as Elvis, but it took Brian Epstein to put them in the four suits and to have them wear their hair in a style that combined with the music to literally drive young women to hysterical riots of adulation. Frank Sinatra had a similar effect early on with bobby soxers, but the Beatles took it to a new level, before they tired of that trick and then decided they wanted to extinguish those teen girl riot inciting Beatles and see if they could incite adults into artistically inspired cultural changes, while getting even richer. Its hard to grasp now, but at the time fans and media were pretty naive and innocent about music's capacity to fuse this heightened emotional hysteria with social consciousness music (i.e., folk music). Their change from the Beatles in the four suits to the social consciousness raising, post modernist mind tripping band of acid dropping music gurus seemed to happen almost in the blink of an eye. They were leading a magical mystery tour in a way no one had ever done previously in rock and roll music. It was exhilarating and fun but also disorienting and unnerving to parents and leaders of society. The kids had responded to individual models of rebellious precocity of Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, Buddy Holly and Elvis Presley, previously, but those were all music embodiments of Marlon Brando in the "Wild One" being asked, "what are you rebelling from?" and responding "Whattaya got?" The Beatles posed an entirely different proposition. They said we are not rebelling from anything, we have simply already left the program with acid, and we are inviting not only your children along for the trip, but everyone else that wants to come a long too." This was not a rebellion by anti-heroes. This was a revolution lead by myth wielding musician heroes. They didn't wait for approval, or a permit to go on the Magical Mystery Tour. They just started the bus and turned the world into riders lit up with ACID and a vision of a new world where everyone and everything was okay, where all you need is love. It really wasn't accurate to say it was a time of questioning authority. Rather it was a time of deciding authority was not worth questioning; that the answer was known and the only question was were they going to "block up the hall," as Bob Dylan sang. So: what you had was four guys that had learned how to drive audiences wild with music, suddenly rich enough to do pretty much whatever they wanted, and finance the bus ride themselves, just leaving the bus station. This left traditional leadership in the lurch. They knew these guys had no military power and no institutional power. They had no global strategic savvy. But they were increasingly able to move millions then tens of millions of persons to change the way they dressed, acted, and saw the world. The Beatles did not appear to want to be political leaders, but they were becoming something rather more startling and daunting to government, business, media, and religious leaders. They were four tightly related and performance hardened young men with visions of spiritual change through the secular medium of popular music. And when they spoke, their audiences were much bigger and more receptive to follow their message that all you need is love and the higher vision of LSD, than were the crowds that came to hear Presidents and Prime Ministers and CEOs and so on. The irony is that we did not really take them seriously, except in the sense that they were waking us up to a potentially very much more fun approach to life than prepping for nuclear war, for getting drafted for Vietnam War and scrimping and saving to make ends meet. If you stop and compare the message the Beatles were spreading at the time with the cold war fears the US and British Governments were spreading, and the corporations stark, Madison Avenue materialism message, you can see that the Beatles, four young pals from the working class of Liverpool, were spreading a much more marketable and popular message. Hey, the life style the Beatles were selling seemed a little more fun than social conformity, military service, saloon music, and a social life of proper Cotillion dances and proper Pops Concerts in tuxes and evening gowns. Hey, let's wear some crazy tie dye, flourescent robes, grow our hair out, make love not war, drop some acid, forget about nuclear armageddon, and see where the ride on the magic bus takes us. Force in all societies resides in the barrel of a gun. But power in all societies resided in who has the most compelling message that causes persons to willingly comply with what authority wants. The Beatles were the authority on tuning in, turning on, and dropping out of the conventional way of life. They were the masters of ceremonies of how to have a fun life. Each album, they sang about the latest ways they had discovered to have more fun. Peace. Love. Acid. Three clear, persuasive principles of a fun and morally kind life, or so we believed for a time. Remember, this was in the wake of assassinations and as the seemingly unnecessary Viet Nam War ramped up. Once the Beatles had been thoroughly marketed, it was kind of hard to unmarket them. About the only thing to do was to create competitors for them. The Rolling Stones pushed another way to have fun. Dress like London street toughs and later Edwardian dandy's, take opiates, and generally be naughty rebels playing blues progressions, sort of Howlin' Wolf with scones. But rather than divide the Beatles market, the Stones seemed to snowball the just have fun phenomenon. Then when the Dave Clark Five branded themselves as clean fun loving guys without drugs out to have a good time, and The Kinks branded themselves as slightly weird guys out to have a good time, and Peter and Gordon branded themselves as sensies out to have a good time, well, the British invasion of American pop music had established full spectrum dominance across American youth personality types with a combined message utterly contrary to the traditional American puritan work ethic that said work and be responsible and thrifty and never have free love, and a very destabilizing effect swept American youth and then through American society. And almost immediately American bands like The Byrds and the Buffalo Springfield and The Monkees and many others joined in the message of play now/work later. And acid had this weird capacity to make persons feel they were seeing life through a new lens and seeing a higher spiritual level of life than the conformity and hard work of the protestant work ethic offered. But as if in a giant vortex at the center of the changing weather remained the Beatles lead by Lennon and McCartney. Each album they moved up market to try the next sophistication in form of music and the next level of spiritual enlightenment, while still having a terrifically fun time doing it. Eventually Lennon and McCartney converged Indian spiritualism with western materialism and popularized the sitar in mainstream music. It was like no matter what they explored next, it became the next fun, cool thing to do next. And increasingly the quest for a fun, heightened consciousness by a generation following the Beatles on their magical mystery tour came into sharper and sharper conflict with the ugly seriousness and tragedy of war and race prejudice and division. How could one have a truly fun, spiritually heightened and enlightened life, if every time you came down from your trip the world was slaughtering thousands a week in Vietnam War and American cities were erupting in race riots and burnings? And the universities which had initially provided the tolerant communities where students with a puritanical work ethic could trade it in for a more fun loving way of life seemed simultaneously the potential model for a heavily subsidized, very fun life, and at the same time a sticky bureaucracy too rigid to take the next step to embracing the new fun way of spiritually enlightened living. Something had to snap and it did. Bob Kennedy and Martin Luther King got assassinated about the time persons had started to recover some from JFK's assassination. And the war went on steroids with over 500k soldiers in country. And the napalming of villages and the massacres began to surface. And the Beatles began to quarrel among themselves and develop substance abuse problems from the new fun, enlightened way of living. Their marriages splintered. Yoko entered the scene and John, who had been an art student before becoming a rock star, felt more in common with Yoko, the artist, than with the Beatles, the musicians. In parallel, the government intel and MK Ultra programs were dumping massive quantities of LSD on college campuses across the country and specifically creating a bizarre counter culture movement completely counter not only to mainstream america, but also often overlooked completely contrary to the responsible anti-Nuke and Peace movements on the one hand and to the responsible Civil Rights Movements on the other. In essence, the government was reputedly subsidizing a counter culture movement in Haight Ashbury, in Laurel Canyon, at Harvard, at Wisconsin, at Michigan, at KU and so on, that became called the Hippie movement, which wanted to completely drop out of contemporary society, except to freeload, and get back to nature in utopian communes in the midst of the most intense phase of industrialization and digitalization the world had ever seen. The Beatles produced the double White Album that captured the tumultuous cultural conflict emerging as the band was simultaneously fragmenting itself. It was timely good fortune for those that wanted to see the discrediting and ending of the Peace and Civil Rights Movements that the Hippie Counter Culture Movement included the Manson Family sub movement that lead to a grisly cluster of murders, the most famous of which involved the Tate LaBianca murders in Hollywood, or somewhere near. The psychotic Charles Manson just happened to have jammed a little on guitar with members of the Beach Boys, and with some very WEIRD and suspiciously military-intel connected rockers in Laurel Canyon Canyon, and somehow decided to use the song Helter Skelter from the Double White Album of the Beatles as his theme song for multiple murder by his drug addled members of his family of mind controlled runways called the Manson Family by insane Charlie. Some how McCartney stayed above it all. Lennon effectively came undone for a time, feeling inferior to McCartney for a time, and feeling frustrated by Yoko. John went to LA and drank himself silly and got into the soul withering life of a clubber in the monster LA party scene. The Beatles broke apart and John and Yoko almost did. "Christ you know it ain't easy." Harry Nilsson wasn't the best influence. But at least John survived LA. He wasn't so lucky later in NY, when things seemed finally to start breaking right for him and Yoko and they recorded the Double Fantasy album that probably eclipsed any post Beatles record of Paul's.

Above was the world that the man you saw named Paul McCartney had ascended through modest poverty to both great fame as a rock and roll star and a member of one of the era's most famous bands, the Beatles, and then negotiated his own way through the flying apart of that band, while becoming fabulously wealthy in his own right and then marrying Linda Eastman, an heir of the Eastman Kodak fortune and a musician/photog. Paul McCartney had a likely even more lucrative career after he left the Beatles, if less musically memorable in some persons estimations. But the point of my lengthy summary of his and the Beatle's experience and times was to say that this guy you had the good fortune to see had through both song writing genius and intensely driven hard work achieved his goal of becoming bigger than Elvis Presley, and in the process had also become a masterful musical performer. He has written a Liverpool Oratorio for performance by symphonies. He has written several film scores. He has won an Oscar for a song written for film. He has participated with the surviving Beatles in putting out one single that the surviving Beatles recorded and that became a major hit several decades after the band broke up. He has been knighted. He was arguably the more prolific musical force of he and John Lennon, and in any case jointly participated with John Lennon in radically transforming popular music multiple times in a ten year period in which he stretched the popular rock and roll song in length, subject matter, and musical styles probably to far greater degree than any other single human, or member of a song writing team, has done before or since. So: when you got to see him, you were literally seeing one of the most extraordinary musicians in the history of popular music--a musician capable of recording a solid first solo studio album full of music with considerable complexity in which he played every instrument played and recorded on the record album (i.e., collection of songs) called Ram. I am so envious of you getting to see him in person, because I never have and he is one of only a few persons I would without encouragement come out of my home body life to see. You saw the pop music equivalent of Wilt Chamberlain, or maybe Bill Russell. There are greater singers. Greater dancers. Greater lyricists. But when you combine musicality with innovation in which he was either unparalleled, or not exceeded with all of the other things he has done, this guy is a musical demigod, even though he never could live up to most persons expectations after his phenomenal song writing and performing career with John Lennon, and the Beatles. Congratulations. You massively enriched your life experience simply by going and seeing and listening to him.

@BShark

Thanks a lot for this link. I'll give it a listen tomorrow.

Glad you shared your knowledge of music with this old coot.

Nice to meet someone young that has learned what has come before and used it as a springboard into "finding" the music these days.

Music is probably more important now than ever to connect the generations in a knowable river, even though today's marketing of music often makes the easy stuff to find seem primarily an instrument of divisiveness, identity divisions, and resentment expressed with a mind numbing baseline, or else a whiney woman's voice migrating like a wandering bird hopelessly in search of a melody lost in a whirlwind of navel contemplation.

As the culture enters what some suspect could be a sign market of hypermodernity that may wear away history, itself, increasingly humans will have to do exactly what you describe has been your experience. Your parents have to hope their kids are listening to the oldies and what they are saying about the joy they bring, and then simultaneously encouraging their kids to dig for the new music in the cloud. I'm not a person who is pessimistic about where things are headed so much as wary of the inevitable traumas that will crop up as we head down the path, or network of paths that have newly emerged. I would have felt the same way in the early 1400s in the dawn of the Age of Discovery. Going to be great to find a water route out of the Black Plague years and to Cathay, but I'm feeling a little wary about the plagues we might encounter as we enter these new worlds. Be careful y'all! as we sailed with some really good portuguese port and sausages down the coast of Africa trying to find a way across the dead air before you reach the west African Coast, only to encounter some African Tribes wanting to sell us members of their tribes as slaves they have had anal sex with and tired of. And we suddenly go from wanting to find Cathay to being tempted by making some easy money turning around and selling slaves instead. Temptation, then a little Dengue fever. Some of us make it and some of us don't, and its all too big and sweeping and new for us to make sense of during our life times, except that we know something very, VERY big has changed from the old days of our earlier ancestors building those big, heavy gothic cathedrals. This African coast is refreshingly green, impossibly humid, and full of unexplored rivers and value systems we've never known before. And so on. We survived the Age of Discovery...barely. And we will survive the Age of Hypermodernity...barely. Music helped those African tribes groove through the risks of life in the green belt of Central africa after uncertainties and Middle Eastern slavers had likely first infected their tribes with slaving many centuries before the Portuguese came to Africa and got infected with it, too. Then some of those folks survived Dengue Fever and malaria and those survivors built an admirable culture in a lush biosphere, except for the bad habit slavery acquired from the folks in Northeast Africa that had slaved them and the Europeans along the coast. Slavery is the contagion that keeps on giving. Once it starts, it twists cultures and they soon have problems that they should never have to deal with. Problems that "bind us together, " as James Taylor sings in one of his songs about Martin Luther King. The British caught the slaver bug, too. The French caught it. The Habsburg Castillian Spaniards caught it. They spread it to the new world. The Chinese had caught it somewhere long before everyone but maybe the Indians of India, and the Indians probably caught it from their own bizarre caste system. Music has helped everyone endure slavery and the other evils of their times. It has carried the spiritual and emotional truths of humanity from generation to generation and from culture to culture. Music is an imperfect vessel. But its one we love. Everyone in power coopts it for a time, but for every oligarch trying to buy it with a spendy conservatory, some Bob Marley is out there composing the sounds he grew up with at the bottom of the culture. And contrary to popular thinking, many of the oligarchs are trying to save the culture just as much as the Bob Marleys. Some of those conservatories are godsends to the music, same as some of the old monasteries of western Ireland were godsends at preserving the scrolls of the ancient wisdom of ancient Rome and of early Christendom that would have been lost like the library of Carthage had they been burned, or abandoned, or salted. All the different kinds of music are all necessary to save the human legacy and connect it to the coming generations, especially during times when cultures are being fragged by competing orders vying for expanded power and when technology evolves in unforeseen consequential ways that bring the entire human order, or biosphere of cultures, into times of instability and perilous conflict. "I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas" sung by Bing Crosby, and by many others, in 1942, and heard by soldiers by radio and recordings played over camp loudspeakers supposedly was part of what kept my dad from losing his sanity in December of 1943 one night on a island in the south Pacific. He said he just kept concentrating on it. You never know how this music stuff works. Tokyo Rose played American hits and tried to torment American GIs and Marines with memories of home, but instead the music galvanized their spirits and made them fight on, according to my dad. Music works in mysterious ways. If as reputed, intel and drug cartels have coopted pop music and have compromised some young men and women with the most vicious, vile inexcusable depravity of Monarch Mind Control Programming, it will most likely come back to bite these filthy bastards exploiting music some how or another. Music is a living river of human traditions, same as literature. When the occult masters, or the secular masters, or the religious masters, compromise their principles and misuse the music and literature for mind control and propaganda, through out history we have seen the wise words of Martin Luther King play out again and again. "The arc of the moral universe is long, but no lie can live forever." And when the lie is finally exposed for a time, change comes and most often with nonlinear virulence. Justice comes swiftly and yet the complexity that results never delivers us to equity that the disingenuous cannot disrupt over time. But the change comes and as Sheryl Crow sang;

"The change, change,
It will do you good."

And as Bob Dylan sang, there also come times when:

The line it is drawn, the curse it is cast
The slow one now will later be fast
As the present now will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin'
And the first one now will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'"

And then we find ourselves licking our wounds and trying to heal somehow with music from someone like James Taylor who has lived and lost and lets nothing stand between the feelings and the truth.

"Just yesterday morning, they let me know you were gone.
Suzanne, the plans they made put an end to you.
I walked out this morning and I wrote down this song,
I just can't remember who to send it to.
I've seen fire and I've seen rain. I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end.
I've seen lonely times when I could not find a friend, but I always thought that I'd see you again."

You have dug up a thousand, maybe ten thousand songs I have never heard. But you will play them for your children, same as I played the ones the radio delivered to me and that I played for my children.

Music in all its forms. Sports in all its forms. Literature in all its forms. Movies in all their forms.

These are the four rivers that keep flowing from the past through the present to the future.

Politics, war and economics are just the records of our dog fighting over money and power.

The four rivers of music, sports, literature, and movies are the records of who we are and what was felt deeply.

The one worlders and the mind controllers are trying to dam them up and divert and valve them to the service of their orders.

Those orders that respect and nurture those rivers grow into great cities beside and along their banks.

Those orders that disrespect them and try to pollute them with lies and deceptions are eventually swept away by them.

It has happened time and again in history.

Sometimes the people just walk out of the cities and move into the country side, as happened apparently in Yucatan with the Maya.

Sometimes the leaders are so corroded by corruption that the order breaks down internally and other orders from outside sweep in and fill the power vacuums (Hamlet anyone?).

Sometimes the leaders get a death wish from hubris and attack other orders and cultures that are simply too powerful for them to ever overcome and they are crushed.

But no matter what happens, the four rivers resume flowing through the cultures that succeed them.

Time waits for no one and for no order that is not busily building for its own people's futures. As Bob Dylan sang:

"He not busy being born is being dying."

But music (and so culture) for me really comes down to what Chuck Berry sang:

"I have no kick against modern jazz
Unless they try to play it too darn fast
And change the beauty of the melody
Until it sounds just like a symphony
That's why I go for that rock'n'roll music
Any old way you choose it
It's got a backbeat, you can't lose it
Any old time you use it
It's gotta be rock - roll music
If you wanna dance with me
If you wanna dance with me"

Chuck.

He knew the sound of an assembly line.

His music often captured that sound and of cars rolling down the roads.

We've got to find where that river Chuck tapped into has flowed again.

Its there.

Not the same spot in the river Chuck stepped into, but where the river has flowed to.

I suspect you and @approxinfinity have done your digging and found the underground river I am talking about. I suspect you are sharing some of it.

Its a wild, big, two-hearted river, to recall Hemingway, trying to heal from WWI in the back woods of Michigan by using it as a metaphor for the brutal recovery he endured in a brutal world.

The four rivers entwine and have many tributaries.

The river that washed up Rock and Roll Music by Chuck Berry was the river of everyone's music, same as White Christmas fell like snow flakes on the river of everyone's music that had ever felt the beauty and loneliness of a winter night and turned to whatever god and loved ones they had so as not to flee from the feeling of smallness in the face of a big beautiful, but indifferent world turning in directions potentially dangerous and not easily foreseeable.Its the same river that washed up "It's the End of the World as We Know it". It washed up "Oh, Sussanah," and "Cross Roads." It washed up "Fire and Rain."

It washed up El Paso and Ring of Fire.

It washed up Lady Gaga singing "The Lady Is a Tramp" with Tony Bennett.

It washed up all the great songs you know and deeply connect with that I have never heard and maybe will never hear.

But truly, as James Taylor sang:

"We are riding, on a rail road

Singing someone else's song..."

It washed up "Ohio" and "For What Its Worth".

"Moon River" and "Where the Boys Are."

Over the "Rainbow" by Judy Garland, also by Iz.

It washed up "Moon River" and "Don't Think Twice, Its Alright."

It washed up "Purple Haze," and "Little Red Corvette."

It washed up "Fight the Power" and "Battle Hymn of the Republic."

"Careless Whisper" and "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry."

And since I am baring my soul about the music I love that has washed up from this river, let me pause and just say it here.

"Sergeant Peppers" and "Burning Down the House."

It washed up "Help Me I Think I'm Falling" and "You Oughta Know."

It washed up "The City of New Orleans" and "The Great Compromise."

"Light My Fire" and "Ring of Fire."

I'm leaving the last 20-30 years of what washed up to you and @approxinfinity. I couldn't do it justice.

The only band I know of and like these days is a band called Lake Street Dive. I don't know why. I just do. I've tried to go see them twice, but once they were sold out and once i had scheduling conflicts. I don't like a lot of their stuff, but the songs I like I REALLY like. I have always been a sucker for women with pipes. I liked Natalie Merchant a lot. This woman on Lake Street Dive moves me the way Merchant used to, but only on a couple songs. The band gets too concerned with references, especially to the worst stages of Paul McCartney's song writing. But when that lead singer really lets go in a song with some funk, it gets me like I were 18 again. Go figure.

And yes, I've already picked what I want played at my funeral: "Last Date" by Floyd Cramer and "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" by Iz. Then after the coffin is in the ground and everyone is departing? "Burning Down the House." These could change, if you guys give me a divining rod that reconnects me to the underground river.

Outta here.

@BShark

Try to see one of Taylor's concerts before he goes. Ex Junkies rarely go as long as he has and he's looking pretty old, though skinny and fit enough to go on quite awhile. Looks like a toothy hillbilly in a remake of Deliverance, but he has built a remarkable band/quasi orchestra, and has developed great range both musically and vocally. The light show projected onto the clam shell 2.0 of Hollywood Bowl was almost certainly way more kicked back than for contemporary bands, but it was really quite dazzling in gracefully and with a mix of southern ease and northeast seasons integrating mash up style and high definition with remarkable range between animation and realistic imagery. It was actually gentle and comforting instead of painful on the eyes but there were a few surreal effects for old times sake for those few in the 17,000 person audience on nostalgic mescaline trips, I reckon. Lots of old fogies like me but a decent smattering of middle aged and even a few 20-30 somethings looking for a little paleo-vibe.He tried to offer something for a full range of his fans, but he just is very languid and reflective. His guitar playing was impeccable, as distinct as ever. No one else, not even slow hand, has been able to make virtuosity on a guitar seem so casual and effortless. And he is so old now that he does not feel the artistic insecurity driving him to do every song a "unique" new way to keep from getting bored. He finally seems to have a sense of his legacy and that he is on the home stretch and that its okay to arrange and get the songs out the best way possible. I liked every arrangement and was not annoyed by the light show as I so often have been since my own teen age years--something which has only gotten worse for me. I connect to the music, not the visuals. Movies are where I like to get a cinematic experience on my corneas, not a concert. For this reason alone, I have the last ten years shied away from rock concerts and stuck to symphonies, which seems to be the last venue where someone will let the music reach its full power without visual interference. It was great to hear him again not fighting against getting older, but welcoming it. This is NOT a concert where every boomer sits around and recalls being 18, or 20. This is a long musical journey through his life that winds closer and closer to the present. The old fogies know where he has been and know that life does not stop even at 40 or 50. It keeps taking its toll and delivering its ecstasies amidst accruing tedium to the bitter end. The crowd of old fogies knew themselves and where they were at in old age AFTER this conference, not before. It was another one of his gifts to his fans that he has always bestowed to those that would listen to him amidst the coarse torrents of popular music that have engulfed him so many times since the 1970s. He's like a tide pool that keeps forming slightly differently each time you see him a few years or decades apart, but he keeps being full of life's upwellings drifted in attached to the rocks he washes over. It won't affect someone the same from a more recent generation, as it did me who was from his time and shared his long train of memories up to the present. But...when you finish the concert, instead of thinking you just heard a lot of dead schmaltz, you will hear an audience connected to a singer and the band he has struggled a life time to assemble. He's basically a cross between and North Carolinian and a Massachusetts schooled man. He is about as steeped and tradition and simultaneously unfettered by it as one gets in an American. I quit going to concerts by old performers in big to medium sized venues about ten years ago, because I kept feeling cheated, like I was listening to one of those promos for a 3 CD set of golden oldies. I want music to be alive now, when I go. I would rather hear some of this dismal occult/druidic MKULTRA engineered stuff from today, if its still got some live gism to it than listen to old farts that have not only gotten old, but lost their creativity too. All I can say is that if you know his music and appreciate it, you will find that he is still alive and creative even if the voice is a little thinner and the grin a little toothier. His arranger is a man of great taste and Taylor seems to have found his own equivalent of Nelson Riddle for Franki Sinatra. They are two sides of a gold coin. He has a conga drummer to die for. His horn man plays sax and muted trumpet the way they were meant to be played starting in the late 1940s and stopped being played about 10-15 years ago. This horn man is the real deal. Drummer is good primarily because he and Taylor go way back and so know each other like a 4th year point guard and a 4th year shooting guard know each other's moves. The vocal backups are probably better than a lot of stars today IMHO and one or two might make their own way in coming years. This was the only old guy concert I ever really liked. Paul Simon hung on to his gism to about 50-60, but even he slowed down in his 70s. In Taylor we are not getting to see a musical equivalent of Picasso, because he is no longer pioneering popular music as Pablo did painting, but he is taking his piece of popular music into a better and better finished form, if you will excuse my resorting to a cabinetry finish metaphor. I was happy and wanted to hear more, when he finally quit after about 2 and a half hours. I never winced once about the music and the arrangements. It was a little shock to see the old guy face, but I'm a little younger than him and I couldn't have done it, so it impressed me. Even Sheryl Crow's getting a few years on her from when I used to see her in small joints in LA, and she's apparently fled LA for Nashville,where a woman can still have a few wrinkles, if she wears her hair a little big and not have to apologize for being a little hot. Clearly Crow idolized Taylor, who was filling in for Bonnie Raitt who got injured, or something and could not play. Crow is probably my favorite female rock singer, because I got to see her before she got big. I missed Joan Jett and Pat Benatar coming up. Saw Carole King only after she Tapestried over the moon. I'm eccentric. I like to see people early and late in their careers. I caught Springsteen at Memorial Hall before he was a mega star--enjoyed him much more there than in LA at his peak on Born To Run tour. From my time, there is Eric Clapton and James Taylor that can still pick up an ax and make me care--make me hear sounds that connect deep in me; that can make me overlook how much water is under the bridge. Slow Hand and Sweet Baby James. I loved Bob Dylan most, but it was time for him to hang it up sometime around the Traveling Wilbury's. Slow Hand and Taylor will probably have to hang it up pretty soon too. See them while you can, where you can. When I was in my twenties in San Francisco, and working a suit job in the days, I wired myself into what was left of North Beach joints (not much) and sought out all the old performers, or guys who had crashed after a few hits I could find. Al Kooper. Check. Remnants of Star Ship. Check. Dead. Check. Van Morrison. Check. Steve Winwood. Check. Huey Lewis (before discovery). Check. Then I found John Lee Hooker and saw him probably 10-12 times before he quit playing much in The City. He was the single most awesome thing I ever listened to live up close. His fingers were likely black jack hammers squeezing guitar strings glinting gold in the tiny spot light in a tiny room of 40 people. It was just incredible to hear what he could do with one hand on the neck of a guitar. Young and middle aged persons should seek out these great old or just past their prime performers before they go, because it enriches your life so much to see the real deals--the legacy of now. Some of them are too wrecked with drugs and alcohol to give anything more than a few great bars here, and a few great bars there. I saw Tim Hardin (If I Were A Carpenter) when he could barely string words together and would fall off his stool in a drunken stupor he never escaped. It was in a tiny bar, where there was no one else but drunks either. It was chillingly tragic to watch, but every third or fourth line you would hear something great surface out of his control to sustain that made me realize why he had once been influential. I could go on and on. I was lucky with old musicians. They knew I loved them and understood what they had been and they loved me back with songs I requested. I saw guys like Steve Winwood try to make comebacks and fail. And I would run into guys that were up and coming up like Tom Waits and Riki Lee Jones that had come to pay their respects to the old guys. It was still like that in those days. I'm not speaking nostalgically, but to make clear that that was once how the old musicians went out. They kept playing for any that would listen and kept giving to younger musicians. Not all, of course. But the ones I saw were real. I always hit myself for not having flown to St. Louis to try to find and hear Chuck Berry. I saw him in concert, but that was when he was doing Ding A-Ling and really disliked everyone and everything. I wanted to catch him once playing because he wanted to. Berry was the greatest that ever lived in my book. Greater than the Beatles. Greater than Presley. Greater than Mikey and Stevie. Greater than anyone but Frank Sinatra. I attended rock concerts up through Sting, and George Michael and REM. I saw some rappers in Detroit early in that phase and was around the hip hop stuff in LA way back in the 80s, when the Miami drug cartels moved their action to south central and people started dying in gun fights in great numbers that prompted Jim Cameron to copy the helicopter chases of bad asses with guns down Miracle Mile alleys to meet a head shot from an LA cop, or another gang member for a low budgie called Terminator with an oversexed body builder from Austria by way of Venice Beach. REM and Stipe were really the last band that really spoke to me for any length of time. I used to go watch Katy Segal sing in LA clubs before she got the part of the mom in Married with Children. She could sing and had some presence that you wouldn't believe from her character on the TV show. Since then I have just heard snippets of bands that I have liked but none enough to really go and connect with. I'm sorry that I stopped, but that's how it was. My want to went. I did here this hit of one band called Lake Street Dive probably 5-8 years back that had a woman lead singer. She almost single handedly brought me back to the music. But then i listened to the rest of the cuts and the idiots in the band were to jealous of her to really let he take over and run this band to the top top topper most of the pop pop popper most as John Lennon and Paul McCartney supposedly used to say to each other to keep their spirits up and remind each other of how big they wanted to be. Few remember that Lennon and McCartney wanted to be as big as Elvis. Lennon was tickled pink when Sinatra cut one of his songs as elevator music. Great musicians care about the legacies they spring from, no matter how original they are. Fans can't really appreciate these great persons without biting into the same apple, so to speak. Got to find where the fruit fell from. You can't grasp Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys until you hear Good Vibrations in Huntington Beach, of this I am certain. You can't grasp Bob Dylan fully till you go through Hibbing, MN and stay in the Village a few nights. Never went to Big Pink, but I wish I had. Can't get anyone from the Motown sound until you have spent a winter and a summer in Detroit. I am convinced I never fully appreciated the Velvet Underground, because I've never lived New York, just visited it. Springsteen? GO. TO. JERSEY. Back to the Bay Area. No one gets John Fogarty till they kick around El Cerrito and figure what made a kid in a blue collar town imagine the Bayous, and go to some of the central California rice paddies, so you get how his imagination conjured up this strange mixture of Louisiana and California escapist music filtered through the jungles of Vietnam. Artists are conjurers, but their imaginations start from somewhere. In the Bay Area, there were so many that retired, or just gave up, up to hole in the wall rentals up in Mill Valley, or Oakland, or other places farther north of the high rent life in Tiburon and Sausalito. It was amazing, really. I wish I could recall more of the names now, but its been a long time. Grace Slick was my number one want to see and at that time she was remaking herself as more mainstream (bullshit like We built this city on rock and roll, etc.). I caught her once at some place in Cow Hollow, or the Marina, sitting in with someone else, but she couldn't hold it together and really didn't show much. She soon drank herself into oblivion; then dried out as this fat husk of herself. I have no idea what has become of her. What pipes though once!!! Not very many women have I characterized as having pipes, but she had pipes. I missed the Band's final concert in San Francisco that Scorcese filmed. Still breaks my heart to think about. Seek out the old greats. That's all I can say. They will make you appreciate the music of your generation even more by putting a frame on it and an origin you can't get from any documentary. Hearing is still believing. And thank you, James Taylor, for healing my heart one more time.

Rock Chalk!

@EdwordL

I was calm. :-)

And it was anecdotal, so I may have been talking to a non representative sample.:-)

But it was still conspicuous.

It it is also just a fact of getting older. It happens more often.

But even with all the excuses, I cannot imagine any of my friends at age 20-25 back in the mid 70s to early 80s saying, nope, never heard of Frank Sinatra, or nope, Ray Charles doesn't ring a bell, or nope, Hank Williams, who was he?

Maybe I lived in an especially musically literate white bread and mayo neighborhood, but I don't think that was it.

And we knew all the old Motowners and all the old Memphis guys, so the racial was not a barrier either.

We might have had trouble with what Al Jolson, or Satchmo sang, but we would have heard the names!

P.S.: the thing is, I bet she could have told me about the one-eye imagery in Katy Perry's latest video. I don't see why these occult music dudes are so insecure about their druidic music appeal that they dare not educate kids today about ALL the great singers and musicians of the past. Tony Bennett has been laboriously showing the way by unleashing the singer in all the singers by doing duets with them. Its been good to see and hear. Not a substitute for the new. But certainly sewing good seeds for the future of new. There was more going on in the 70s and 80s than Black Sabbath and Aerosmith, and Pink Floyd and Mikey. :-) There's more to rock and roll than dark circles, pierced tongues, gender doubt, and allusions to ritual sacrifice and Monarch divas. There is this really freaky, extremely marginal and kinky thing called heterosexuality at the ultimate fringe. And the most exotic ancient and twisted of all: monogamy!!!!! Oh, how weird are those monomogs? I mean anyone can forsake sex, or "connect" on line with GPS. How about the extreme freakiness of waking up with the same face 10,000 days in a row? I mean imagine tying hot sex to sky gods with rock and roll. No, too far out. Too flipping much, man!!! So: Logging out!!!! Look up logging out if you haven't heard it. I split my gut laughing about it. :-)

I know, I know. TMI.

BShark said:

jaybate 1.0 said:

HighEliteMajor said:

@BShark @jaybate-1-0 We can win without high level three point shooting. Definitely. But one thing for everyone to remember -- Self is different now. He's accepted the three. He has seen the proverbial light. I expect it to be incorporated much more so than it had been our prior post-first teams. The fool's gold talk is dead.

We can win pre-conference and conference without it, but the odds appear very slim that we can win a ring without it, if other Top Ten teams get stocked up with 3-6 trifectates, as Nova likely will be again. And if Nova has 2 bigs again that can shoot > 39$% from three (which I have not heard forecasts of one way or the other), it just seems effectively impossible to defend our way to a ring.

Roy was very lucky to appear to be the EST team selected to win the ring the season he did, when Nova hit a snag, the other apparent pre-selects ran into difficulties with their OAD stock ups and with injuries and eligibilities, as I recall.

Didn't Roy have one of his weakest shooting rosters in his tenure at Easy Hill that year? And it faced the first real post hyper dump truck Carney field. He was very fortunate to show up with his apparent usual dump truck load of bigs, when distribution asymmetry was apparently being revised and an anomalous number of highly athletic > 39% 3 point shooters at post and perimeter were being remarkably ranked 75-100 and routed to Villanova for "development."

Its hard for moi to imagine that not one of the elite EST teams will round up at least 3 > 39% trifectates and maybe one > 39% big, after what Jay and Nova showed happens when 3 is feasibly greater than 2 on a regular basis.

And if one is from the CST and has to depend on the kindness of referees to supply the foul calls necessary for short treys? Woe, woe, woe, is thee.

So much fiction.


Truth is routinely stranger than fiction and so those invested in believing in fictions use "so much fiction" as a lame rhetorical cloud of squid ink, don't you agree?

:-)

Oh, wait, I forgot. I apologize. There is no channeling of players and big gaming wants a fair game, right? That is what you appear to be asserting. I am just saying, both things are starting to quack like ducks, so we'll have to wait and see. But I sure wouldn't want to be defending your position. I am blessed to be discussing appearances with a wait and see attitude about what the actual realities are that come out.

You, however, are stuck polishing "so much fiction." Not much wiggle room there, is there?

Good luck.

Howling!

dylans said:

@jaybate-1.0 ah luck of the draw. If the pre-season #1 team doesn’t stand a chance who does? Time for optimism, the future is very bright!


I appreciate and am grateful for your optimism. It brightens my day.

But when KU is ranked this high, has an FBI cloud overhanging it, and can't sign a single >39% three point shooter to go along with the bunch of studs it has on hand, I grow suspicious.

I wonder...

"Where have all the trifectates gone

Long time passing...

Where have all the trifectates gone

long time ago

When will they ever learn...

Oh...when will they...ever learn?"

Or to put it another way, hey, boys, thar's threes in them thar hills beyond the treys tripe. What are ya a-pannin' fer twos down here in the paint for? Don't make no sense to me. 'Specially when yer from the wrong time zone to be uh gettin' foul called in the Carney!

Just think how much ranking KU #1 preseason might help with bet balancing.

Rank Nova numero uno at the start and you have a bunch of weeks where the entire east seaboard full of suckers are betting on Nova and you've got to massively increase the payoff to get any money at all bet against them. But with KU ranked #1, well, a bunch of the EST suckers bet on the sod busters in covered wagons, plus a bunch more is bet on KU, which hasn't even got a 3 point shooter, so it figures KU will get clipped on any opponent's hot night. The insider, er, smart money then gets to shear sheep on both Nova games and KU games, instead of just one, or the other.

Shaping improbable bettor expectations appears quite useful to profit maximization in the big gaming.

Inefficient markets are the gift from god to insider, er, smart money.

Bettors are a market.

The more inefficient they are in their expectations, the bettor, if the insider, er, smart money is around to balance bets wisely.

Or so it appears to little ol' layman fan me.

Hopefully we are beyond the naivety of years gone by when board rats believed there was no channelling of players going on and believed the nonsense about big gaming wanting a fair game.

The profit motive is inelastic.

Enough is never enough.

The above is entirely speculation and opining, and nothing more.

Rock Chalk.

HighEliteMajor said:

@BShark @jaybate-1-0 We can win without high level three point shooting. Definitely. But one thing for everyone to remember -- Self is different now. He's accepted the three. He has seen the proverbial light. I expect it to be incorporated much more so than it had been our prior post-first teams. The fool's gold talk is dead.

We can win pre-conference and conference without it, but the odds appear very slim that we can win a ring without it, if other Top Ten teams get stocked up with 3-6 trifectates, as Nova likely will be again. And if Nova has 2 bigs again that can shoot > 39$% from three (which I have not heard forecasts of one way or the other), it just seems effectively impossible to defend our way to a ring.

Roy was very lucky to appear to be the EST team selected to win the ring the season he did, when Nova hit a snag, the other apparent pre-selects ran into difficulties with their OAD stock ups and with injuries and eligibilities, as I recall.

Didn't Roy have one of his weakest shooting rosters in his tenure at Easy Hill that year? And it faced the first real post hyper dump truck Carney field. He was very fortunate to show up with his apparent usual dump truck load of bigs, when distribution asymmetry was apparently being revised and an anomalous number of highly athletic > 39% 3 point shooters at post and perimeter were being remarkably ranked 75-100 and routed to Villanova for "development."

Its hard for moi to imagine that not one of the elite EST teams will round up at least 3 > 39% trifectates and maybe one > 39% big, after what Jay and Nova showed happens when 3 is feasibly greater than 2 on a regular basis.

And if one is from the CST and has to depend on the kindness of referees to supply the foul calls necessary for short treys? Woe, woe, woe, is thee.

BShark said:

@jaybate-1.0 They had two okay three point shooters, just like KU will have next year. One right at 37%, the other at 38%. To go along with this they defended and had a solid 4 man post rotation.

Okay, your hypothesis crosses the first obstacle. Congratulations. I am stoked for you. One more hurdle cleared and you can add me to the choir.

Next hurdle: the year you say the EasyHeels defended their ways to a ring, did UNC have to face an opponent from the Sweet 16 onwards that was from the EST and that had from three to six > 39% trifectates?

If they beat a team or two from the EST with three to six > greater than 39% treys shooters, I am going to say I will join the baritones, even if the opponent did not have any bigs that could pot the triceratops.

I mean if Roy can defend his way to a ring without any >39% trifectates, and beat an opponent or two in the Sweet 16 and above that had 3 to 6 > 39% trifectates, then this defensive dog will hunt, and I will dawn a crimson and blue shooting vest with an XL game bag.

You will absolutely make my day, if you discover the facts will support your hypothesis.

No one is better at scheming DEFENSES than Bill Self, so if Roy did it, against the kind of Sweet 16-and-up opponents I have outlined, then I think you are on the money with this hypothesis of yours.

I am actually getting kind of excited about this.

I have been feeling pretty glum lately about the lack of three ballers on our roster, because I figure Villanova will field a bare minimum of 3 > 39% trifectates, plus some of their 75-100 ranked bigs that can mysteriously guard and run the floor and rebound and shoot like Top 25 players.

I know this would take a lot of clicking on your part to discover the answers to my question, and so I am hardly expecting you to go to the trouble.

But even though I have some optimism that the facts might fall in your favor, until I see them, I remain my typical wait and see self.

I would do the leg work myself, but I am unusually occupied for the next month or so.

Here's to hoping we can defend our way to a ring next season.

Rock Chalk!

For god’s sakes: take him back.

He needs us and we need his shot, defense and experience. Heck, he might make it up to 40% from trey and be our only legit outside threat!

Remember: Bill gave Tyshawn Taylor time off DURING a season to sort himself out.

...and saw James Taylor and Sheryl Crow.

I am fond of Taylor and Crow and saw Taylor in the early 1970s, when “Fire and Rain” broke big. He played Hoch and I was a couple rows from him. Great presence and knew he would become a legend. Saw him 10 or so years later in the Bay Area, when he was singing the anti nuke concerts. Even better, but losing his hair. Went to H Bowl concert and he was even better, despite looking every year of 70. More compassion and generosity and vocal and musical beauty than any other 5 performers I have seen. Everything good about my generation with none of the bad.

I better qualify everything good and none of the bad. Musically, I mean. Personally, the guy was reputedly a troubled teen with successful dad complex and James shortly became a heroin addict, and fought depression and substance abuse and nearly wrecked himself, like so many in a music business with a drug and spook darkened underbelly that makes sports look puritanical. But he got the monkey off by 20-22 and apparently learned all the right lessons about life, music, lyric themes, and life themes and spoke clearly, compassionately and truthfully to my generation so scarred early by nuclear specter, assassinations, rioting, drug dumping and body counts on nightly news. He never gave into hate and cynicism after he got free of his demons. He probably saved a lot of us without being preachy or too on the nose. He conducted the bulk of his life quite admirably, after getting out of his youth. I can’t say the same for most of the rest of my generation. He never fully got marriage down, but neither have the generations before or after, so I can’t fault him there either. And no junkie ever fails to have a relapse or two. Carly Simon got a belly full of relapses and moved on. I doubt the guy is easy to share a life with. He appears a bit touched from remote viewing, but he also appears to get humanity’s basic needs. Regardless, once he committed to bringing joy and healing with his music early on, he never let up in that department ever and has faced down many times when turning his music dark and cynical would have been the keen commercial move; and this seems what my generation most egregiously failed at doing and so passed onto their kids..

Anyway, today I talk with a 25 old woman at a store, a kind, bright hard working type. She asks how my day is. Good, I say. I tell her I went to the Bowl and she asks who I saw. I say James Taylor and Sheryl Crow. She says she has never heard of the first one, but she’s heard of Crow.

It’s staggering when one generation has never even heard of a great and beloved performer from another.

Something is breaking down in transmission of worthwhile popular culture from one generation to others (and about understanding of other generations) . It was like someone in my generation saying they had not heard of Sinatra, or Ray Charles. But EVERYONE in my generation HAD heard of Ray and Frank and came to love them later!

How can the current 20 something’s come to benefit from great musicians from prior generations, when they don’t even know they exist?
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Hello, Deep State, are you there? What you’re doing is EVIL, but it’s working!

@BShark

OK, I’ll play along.

Did you mean UNC have no three point shooters that could make > 37% from trifectaville?

Is that what you mean?

Or do you just mean they were a fine defensive team that had three point shooting KU will lack?