@JayHawkFanToo Yeah, you had some extra info, too. Just teasing you. Have to have my wins where I can get them. I would have posted sooner, but I got lost in a reverie looking at the old pictures!
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@JayHawkFanToo I posted first, nyah nyah! :satisfied:
@wrwlumpy said:
I think the picture is either from Municipal in KC or at Ahearn in Manhatten. K-State would not be playing Cincinnati in Allen.
The 1959 Midwest regional was at AFH. Cincy with O defeated KSU in the regional final 85-75.
@JayHawkFanToo said:
- By the way, the win at all cost is not unique to college sports, big businesses of all kinds operate the same way. Perhaps this is more obvious to us older posters that have seen the changes in the last 50 years and wonder how did it all go so wrong, and perhaps not as much to the younger posters for whom this is the way it has always been.*
By no means is this new to sports or business. Teddy Roosevelt had to threaten college football until it cleaned up its act, we know about all the cheating and recruiting scandals in bb before and in the early years of the ncaa, the Olympics have always been implicated by scandal, and the railroads and Robber Barons of the 1870s-1890s, plus the Hearst-style media, set the tone for big business for decades. We are paying literally millions, if not billions, to clean up the environmental wastage left in the wake of profit-at-all-cost companies whose dumping created Superfund sites. As well as paying for the care of thousands of workers whose health was unimportant to coal and insulation producers, among others. Etc etc etc
I agree with your lamentation, just not that it is new. We do have much greater and faster access to info when bad news comes, however, so it seems worse.
Says he should have been fired for handling of sexual assault/rape charges against 3 players in 2014.
Wow! This is strong stuff. No one usually calls a coach out this much!
@Crimsonorblue22 How about a drone control stick with a Hellfire missile button?
@Crimsonorblue22 You are right. He is doing one semi, not final.
@JayHawkFanToo I doubt it affects him. I do hope he refs UK again. I think it will be purely up to him.
We used to have lawyers who would raise charges of corruption and fraud against us judges when they lost, then tried to get us disqualified in new cases because they had alleged such horrible things that they said we couldn't be fair. No one listened to their complaints.
And of course no one ever held it against them.:wink:
@jaybate-1.0 said:
For me, UNC-Wilmington would be a destination job. Recruit, Coach. Fish. Repeat.
And the USS North Carolina, anchored there, is so cool. Plus, all the golf at Myrtle Beach within 50 miles.
@approxinfinity said:
Oh well sh--. This is my first funding rodeo. So you guys prefer I shut this down and go the PayPal route?
You decide. I will add my 2 cents however you want it!
Oh, wait--multiply by 10. I mean 100. Wow, let's go for x1000, Johnny!
Degenerating into Euro or S American soccer.
@jayballer54 I actually wish more couples would divorce if they think about it when they have their first big fight if it means they split before having kids, because all too many get married before they are ready, then have kids thinking that will make things better, then divorce anyway, then fight over custody and money forever ruining the kids' childhoods.
@truehawk93 said:
think if the kid is all Dook, he would’ve committed already.
Maybe he wants to wait until after the final 4 so he can have the media attention all to himself.
@CRH107 said:
To me, the arrogance of the after game interviews was the tell.
I have read a number of complaints here about the interviews with Duck players and Altman. I didn't watch them, and I was wondering what they said.
So, I just spent the last 28 minutes watching both their entire 15 min 45 sec news conference and about 5 on-court interviews. I have to say, I didn't see anything disrespectful toward KU or any KU players. I saw kids and a coach happy to have executed their game plan. I saw exultant winners who beat, in their words, the number 1 team on their home floor. They were thrilled they played well (and Altman mentioned several times that they definitely got a number of lucky bounces).
So, please help me: what was arrogant? Did I miss an interview somewhere?
@Crimsonorblue22 That is a much better way of looking at it!
Doubt if Fran will get assigned as a commentator on any "Mayjay Home Improvement" shows, though, so I was probably safe anyway, come to think of it.
@Crimsonorblue22 I hope I never make you mad!
@Texas-Hawk-10 said:
@Crimsonorblue22 Tyler also used a different number every season, so it's not like he was overly attached to a number.
Probably a darned good thing Tyler didn't get all the awards FM is getting this year or we might have to expand AFH to hang all those retired jerseys.
@JayHawkFanToo said:
There must be a site that lists all of them...
Try this one. Not complete (and not updated for the AP), and doesn't have most of the media awards, but it has many organization awards, including some I never heard of. Also has conference awards.
Awards and Honors Index | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/awards/ ↗
@KUSTEVE said:
I’m not buying that story, your honor.
The staff used to use "Your Horror" when talking to us!
Like them, I was just kidding you. I only used Squeaky because he is the only coach I have ever heard of who insisted after two losses to the same team that his team tried harder.
@jayballer54 That was just today. The first article was only the AP's All Americans. The link and Headline were incorrect when written, but correct now.
@JayHawkFanToo said:
maybe Malik to give it a try, provided they are invited....
Earlier I posted that Malik might not be able to do it because he has done it before. But apparently it was changed last year so kids now can enter the draft multiple times and attend combines again.
@JayHawkFanToo Nope, I was wrong. Kaminsky, and then McDermott before him.
List of U.S. men's college basketball national player of the year awards - Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._men%27s_college_basketball_national_player_of_the_year_awards ↗
@JayHawkFanToo AD?
@JayHawkFanToo I just couldn't resist, because even whether they should or should not advocate for their athletes is really a political question. :smirk:
@JayHawkFanToo said:
it would take some of the luck, or lack thereof, of the current format
I think it would take the fun out of it, too. :disappointed: I understand what you are saying about being a better measure, but I am thoroughly against that idea because I think it would reduce the tourney to blue bloods only. I don't deny that blues dominate now, but I don't like giving any team a do over. And I don't want to see a Yankees dynasty in cbb. UCLA is in the past, thank goodness!
@JayHawkFanToo said:
Sooner or later the NCAA has to concentrate on sports and get out of the social policy making role.
This is a political issue so I will not comment on it any further.
@JayHawkFanToo It doesn't matter to me. And if your answer is KU, does that actually make you feel better--or worse?
The point is, I get no sense of satisfaction or solace by thinking KU was somehow better. Because we weren't when it counted. Oregon played better and won. And it is not like it was a close game, so it wasn't just a missed FT, or a last second hail Mary, or a single bad call.
@jayballer54 The number of transfers has been increasing every year. I did a Google search on "increase in basketball transfers" and there was an article in 2012 about the increase, then another one from 2014, and this 2017 Sports Illustrated article on how it is changing things:
@KUSTEVE K State coach with the play harder chart!
@KUSTEVE Careful: insisting you are better than the team you lose to is steering dangerously close to Squeaky "played harder" territory!
All that matters is they were better when it counted. Fluke shots? Still have to launch them without getting blocked. Bounce of the rebounds? Still have to be somewhere near where the ball comes down.
@BeddieKU23 @BShark
I took a look at 247 to find out more about Bamba. Under the list all teams page, we are included but it say KU has not made an offer.
Is that true? I do not know much about recruiting sites, but this cannot be a reliable site, in my opinion: they show KU as still having C Diallo on the roster at Bamba's position.
@BeddieKU23 said:
It's not like Nebraska cares about Basketball anyway
Not the school (University of ...), but Nebraskans in Omaha love Creighton! Had many conversations with Omahans about bb when my mom lived there. Many were U of N fb fans, and liked having Creighton local for bb.
@BShark said:
Right. I'm just pleasantly surprised that the KU fanbase by and large has taken this stance on it.
Let's hope that, if he indeed proves not as good as JJ, we demonstrate patience during the season in the same measure as we have demonstrated realistic expectations this Spring.
@JayHawkFanToo So you didn't even read my last post since I don't mention coin flips. I am talking finite outcomes (there are only two). You are worrying about how likely those outcomes are (impossible to measure). That is irrelevant when counting things that have already happened.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Thank you for that info. All of which is more than just his simple win/loss record in one particular round. Knowing more about the losses' circumstances may tend to implicate coaching, but I also think it implicates incorrect seeding due to our consistent overachieving in the regular season--i.e., I believe we are not as our seeding because our record each year appears to be stronger than we are. (Look how distorted our close game record was vs the average.)
Jayballer keeps citing a stat that only 25% of #1 seeds have gotten to the F4. I haven't checked that, but (assuming we throw out HCBS's record to avoid skewing the average toward him) if that 1 over 2 record is as strong as you cite, that must mean most #1 seeds who lost before the F4 (that 75%) either got knocked off early or lost to seeds lower than 2 in the E8.
Seeding drives me crazy because during the tournament everyone knows that it is based on a committee's collective judgment regarding the relative strength of teams. There is no consensus on how to measure this, RPI vs BPI vs the computer models vs blah blah blah. There is also the monkey wrench thrown in that we don't have a good working knowledge of how the committee does its work.
A fourth best #1 and the best #2 might easily be switched in almost every tourney with few cases of heartburn. You could probably shuffle all the teams on any particular line without causing undue shock, so the same would also likely be true of shuffling the last two on one line with the best two on the next line.
Would we be as upset if KU had been lower seeded in the years we have lost in the E8? Does the panache of a #1 seed create unrealistic expectations if 75% of them do not live up to their seeding.
@JayHawkFanToo And, by the way, this is not the use of stats your friend complains about. It drives me crazy when someone says "he should have let Brett hit because he had a 30% chance of getting a hit" based on his batting average.
Take my hypothesis and my posts to your friend. See if he agrees with me that the distribution of all outcomes can be measured to determine if a particular set of outcomes (with no other factors) is statistically not unusual.
@JayHawkFanToo I am measuring outcomes after the fact. There are a finite number of outcomes each measured only by win or loss. You are talking about probability of winning, which is a measure of predictability.
Bill could have had WWLLLLL, or LLLLLWW, or LWLLLWL, or any other distribution of 2 wins and 5 losses, whatever the order. etc. If he had zero wins, there is only one distribution where that occurs. If he had 7 wins, also only one. If he had 3 wins, or 4 wins, or 5, or 6, each of these has a finite number of times that occur in the distribution. He had two, which occurs 21 times in a distribution of every possible combination of 2 wins and 5 losses.
You are arguing as if I said he had a 16% chance of winning. That isn't it. But remember, I am only saying the numbers alone do not mean it is solely the result of coaching.
Forget my argument, because you don't obviously don't understand it. Maybe it is me. Do me a favor. Look at the only assertion I am arguing against: they say he could not have lost 5 out of 7 for any reason other than coaching. Use your skills on that one. Tell me why the number of losses vs the number of win cannot just be a coincidence.
That argument depends on an assumption that a coincidence is too unlikely to have occurred. So, where is the proof of improbability?
Remember, I am only saying coincidence cannot be dismissed because a record of 2 W 5 L is not so far out of the realm of possibility as to be virtually impossible.
@JayHawkFanToo And, by focusing on the tool, you missed the point. I was trying to illustrate by using something familiar (coin flips) that the loss rate by Self is not something statistically so far out of likelihood that, as expressly stated by some here, the only possible explanation is something aberrant about his coaching. I think a 2-5 record with KU, demonstrates no such thing.
Each game has 2 possible outcomes, thus in measuring win/loss statitical probability you are only measuring distribution of all possible outcomes, not the factors that give a team a higher or lower chance of success. Bill's loss rate in E8 games occurs 21 times out of 128 total possible outcomes, ranging from all wins to all losses. That is approximately one out of six times. The coin flip analogy simply demonstrated where that falls along the probability of an outcome in a test we all are familiar with.
The bigger problem with all of this is the failure to consider where his results fall on graphs that also incorporate, among other things, his seeds, the average success rate of those seed levels in the history of the modern tournament, how he compares to others in other rounds, and the results in all rounds not just the 8. Izzo, by comparison, is great in the E8. But Bill by comparison has Izzo beaten in the semifinal in winning percentage terms, but his sample size is much smaller.
Kansas' Frank Mason parlays consistency, efficiency into CBS Player of the Year honor - CBSSports.com
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/kansas-frank-mason-parlays-consistency-efficiency-into-cbs-player-of-the-year-honor/ ↗
Kris Medlin was cut by Atlanta so we could get him again.
@cragarhawk I think Self's latest comments said that they have not acted as fast as they should have for some retirements, and that nothing is set in stone. Also, he said we will see a couple more soon, prob next year. I assume these will be Sherron and Cole.
If Mason ends up the consensus POY, any normal delay times might go out the window since we have never had one.
A thought: If Self decides to retire any time in the next 5, I suspect the retirement of FM's jersey will be before HCBS goes, or in connection with it.
@nuleafjhawk said:
And I want the opposing coach’s dog to run away from home.
But then the coach would start writing country songs and we would literally never hear the end of him!
@BShark said:
Marcus Evans will transfer from Rice. This is an upgrade type transfer for the kid. Was around 20ppg first two years.
@BeddieKU23 said:
For now, my hope is that bell goes 0-7 in the next game and fouls out early
I always have the opposite reaction. I want any player who beats us that badly to turn out to be a phenomenal star. If we had lost to Davidson, we would have seen Curry become what he is and say, "Well, I can see why we lost." As we did with A Davis in 12.
Otherwise I feel like a nobody took us to the cleaners, and that everybody else could figure him out but not us!
@HawkInMizery Thank you!
@HawkInMizery I had a small photo resurrection business for a few years. Learned Photoshop fairly well, but didn't have the drive necessary to really take it somewhere. Enjoyed the work but not the marketing, and never charged anyone nearly enough! Now I use it for digital plastic surgery on myself and family.