Here is a site with odds of each seed level advancing to each next round based on historical tourney performance.
https://www.betfirm.com/seeds-national-championship-odds/ ↗
A statistical anomoly is that a 5 seed has never won the NC so they are listed at 0% while 6, 7 and 8 all have 3% (total %age of all the seeds at those lines).
Rankings do not determine the outcomes, is really what I think they are saying. As we well know, unfortunately.
JayHawkFanToo said:
I believe it is TNT and TBS.
No.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Has to be the best 1-2 combo at wideout the Chiefs have ever had.
Really nervous to see Mahomes though. If he throws 25 ints, then it won't really matter what our weapons look like.
At least we will have good receivers to chase the intercepting DBs. Let's just hope none of our offensive players is among team leaders in tackles.
@jayballer73 Both the Baylor and Okie St games are on ESPN2.
Other broadcast info: Tonight's NCAA "first four" games are on TruTV. Same tomorrow.
The F4 this year is on TBS but they are doing the "team station" thing again. Dunno on what networks, but I assume TruTV and TNT.
@jayballer73 Baylor plays tonight hosting Wagner at 6 your time.
@approxinfinity South starts 60 miles south of DC, and goes straight down to hell the further you go!
@joeloveshawks Just the article 2 days ago that he is ahead of schedule and might play Thurs. (I doubt it.) Nothing since.
http://kusports.com/news/2018/mar/11/notebook-azubuike-ahead-schedule-eyeing-thursday-r/ ↗
Putting this here because of KU/Big 12 connections.
Dooley vs Okies tonight in Sludgewater at 8 CDT.
@approxinfinity Our pods are Wichita, Pittsburgh, San Diego and Detroit. Not quite sure how 3 of these relate to the midwest?
South has 3: Tx, Tenn, and NC. East has Pitt and Detroit. West has Boise, so 1 in their region, same as us. So, half the pods are located in their regions generally. (Note: I don't accept Detroit as midwest despite our win there in the 2008 regional. It is east or the defunct mideast. You can't have a geographical term based only on the size of the country in 1820. And that is final. Although if everyone disagrees, we have 2 pods in the MW and my rant has less basis.)
Actually, not trying to dispute your comment as much as just noting how scattered lots of teams are on the first weekend even if they move closer to their regions in the second weekend. I wonder if the NCAA has ever calculated the total mileage travelled by the 64 teams for Thurs & Fri games?
@5yardfuller Great find. So, Wilt may have never done something that people basically just imagined he could do, so they adopted the FT restriction anyway. The myths built up so fear of the Stilt was great and served him well in many other ways.
A couple of takeaways from the article: Don't you miss the long, newsy and folksy discussions by those old columnists? Now, everything is condensed, columns are short and poorly edited, newsprint is scarce, much of what we read outside large cities is syndicated or adapted from elsewhere, and columnists are not given much freedom to expound as much. Many were provocative, but it is a slice from the past that I miss greatly.
And the discussion of Bill Russell is great. "The Frisco Giraffe." Discussed by KU trainer Dean Naismith.
@JayHawkFanToo In the other 3 they have to travel about 400, 500, and 700 miles. We haven't had to travel more than 300 in the same span. Much easier for fans to travel from KU fan centers than for Duke fans. But I think Duke fans are all over the east coast, so they get lots wherever they are.
But it is more interesting that Duke's 2 worst losses listed were the two 1st rd games closest to Durham. And we know that close to home (KC, Omaha) is no guarantee in the 2nd round, either.
@JayHawkFanToo Tex Winter is quoted as saying he watched Wilt do it in the Fr vs Varsity game, but sure, that is not evidence. The HS thing is a non-issue.
@JayHawkFanToo The article discusses people who said they heard about it. Wilt didn't play his freshman year and the rule was changed after that. So, if he experimented his freshman year, they could have changed the rule in response to the rumor, which is what I had heard, and what the article and the poster say.
Or perhaps the article was faked, Rules Chairman Tex Winter never said anything about seeing Wilt do it as a freshman (so the audio is fake, too), the rumors from the time (my father told me the story) were false, and it was just a coincidence.
I have KU beating WVU in the F4 and then beating UK in the final. I just want to take Huggy down a fourth time!
@JayHawkFanToo I found this that purports to have a contemporary newspaper article but have no idea how genuine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/6djlxh/heres_the_research_behind_wilt_chamberlain/ ↗
@JayHawkFanToo Heresy. Okay, not heresy, but first the NCAA banned dunking FTs b/c you-know-who had done so in HS.
@wissox I thought about adding: having a coach with, uh, "consistent hair"; having the coolest fanbase; and (more seriously) having a player who caused a rule change; having a unique mascot that is not yet another eff-ing feline; and having the best fight song.
@Texas-Hawk-10 In those 5 appearances they won two titles. We made it 8 times in the same era (1939-1970), winning once. For the next 18 years until 1988, we still had 1 tourney title, while Indiana moved up to 5. More appearances for us, more success as measured by NCs for them.
We have been much more successful since their last title--2 for us.
I think of Indiana and UCLA as being like the Queen Mother in her last years--fading royalty deserving of respect.
@bcjayhawk Had to look that one up. ICT is not one of the intuitive airport codes. ORL works for Orlando. ICT for Wichita is like MCI for KC!
@Texas-Hawk-10 I think you are seriously understating Indiana's successful history that is not just primarily associated with B Knight. They had two HOF coaches before him. In fact, they fit pretty much every criteria I set out above except they "only" have 8 F4s. Since they won 5 championships, however, that pretty much makes up for it.
Incidentally, two other cool facts about Indiana in the Wikipedia article: glass backboards started there, and, of course, the last undefeated team (1976).
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Hoosiers_men's_basketball ↗
Edit: The coach who won the 2 titles before Knight was elected as a player, but his record sure looks like he would have gotten in as a coach.
Blue blood criteria (mayjay definition): Multiple titles, at least 10 F4s, at least 30 NCAA appearances, at least 15 conference titles (at least 2 before 1939), at least 15 All Americans, at least two Hall of Fame coaches, and numerous players on any All-Time Best 100 College Players.
One or more criterion can be missed if another is way beyond the minimum.
No one, but no one, of the "experts" at TBS, CBS, CBSSports.com and NBCSports.com is picking KU to even get to the NC game, and I think there weren't any picking us to get thru either M State or Duke. I might have missed somebody, but these kids are loving trying to prove people wrong, so being the most disrespected #1 should be as much of a chip as they could ever want.
@tundrahok Totally agreed, not a head case as long as we ignore the incidents involving his exgirlfriend in both of his first 2 years. Not the same as theirs, though.
@HighEliteMajor No, but that is interesting. I love Cuthbert. My theories probably don't apply to teams going through dumping and upheaval!
Lunardi has Fizzou and Silo T playing each other out West as the 8-9 game.
Can we have an Asian Regional and send them further?
KU in the MW, with Purdue, Auburn, WSU and Gonzaga. Not thrilled if Purdue gets a rematch revenge chip.
@kjayhawks Even if it means a coach fired now, the team likely to be in turmoil, and a program that you can't be consistently proud of and enjoy being competitive every year?
@kjayhawks But would you take it all, including this stuff?
@BShark CBS Sports Network
@kjayhawks The original question was no more fair--paraphrased: UConn's several championships while occasionally missing the Dance or our single championship and the Streak? Many said that the question about the records of each school could not be asked without considering the other aspects of each program. Recent events, I would say, buttress that view.
Would you rather have Ollie and UConn's last championship (2014) and subsequent fall into disgrace or Bill Self's KU record (albeit, no F4s and no NCAA titles) during the same time period?
http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/03/10/uconn-to-fire-kevin-ollie-for-cause/ ↗
@wissox Kansas has done the same thing. I think they took in a show in NY years back, and there were all those nice extras on the trip to Italy. Schools are allowed to do some level of special entertainment and restaurants on trips as a team.
Of course, Roy just liked having the team spit in the river. Oh, yay. That sounds like fun.
BShark said:
The official criteria for #1 seeds: 1. Best team in the nation 2. 2nd best team in the nation 3. 3rd best team in the nation 4. Winner of the ACC Tournament
I thought #4 seed was: 4. Team with Trae Young
Bill Self offers to even up the game by coaching with one hand tied behind his back.
@truehawk93 I am pretty sure Mitch was the only player who made any mistakes or silly fouls. Except for DG throwing the ball 8 rows up, or his how many other turnovers?
Mitch did exactly what he was asked to. Expecting perfection is nuts.
@justanotherfan You have them winning only 2 road games. This is a crazy team, but they won at AFH, at Hilton and in Morgantown. If they can win those in the B12, I think they win a few more on the road in the B10. But they could lose more home games. They could probably go anywhere from 6-12 to 11-7.
@Buster-1926 Yeah, makes you think all the Missouri meth prevalence jokes are not actually jokes when cops get sent accidentally to a random wrong address some 12 miles away and end up getting killed in a meth house owned by a fugitive and former con.
Although I bet it wasn't completely random--they probably had a tip the fugitive was there, or that it was a meth house and just screwed up which address went with which call.
@JayHawkFanToo Sniff... wow, did they play like crap.
@JayHawkFanToo It would have been simple to deny, though. Keeping quiet cannot possibly help KSU's strength in the perception of the Committee.
@nuleafjhawk 1st team Big12. Kinda seemed important since our center is out.... Do we just ignore these things and wonder who will show up at game time?
@Buster-1926 Nice tribute. Thanks for the reminder of what those dedicated folks taking that job can risk.
The circumstances around his death are really bizarre. Here is a link. What struck me is he was part-time but was inspired to go full-time to replace another Clinton officer killed in the LOD.
http://time.com/5189256/missouri-police-officer-shot-killed/ ↗
@dylans Nice for the top teams but you would lose so much interest that way. But how do you select them with some 30 conf tourneys to deal with? No at large? Or restrict the touney by eliminating auto bids for all the lesser conferences? That will be popular among the 280 teams or so who have no realistic chance every year.
wrwlumpy said:
How about we play a little game called "Squeaks" which involves captioning Lump's pic?
"Where is the coach's box? Where?"
@JayHawkFanToo Insanity doesn't seem to be one of the filters involved in decisions either by the players or by the owners.
But why shouldn't baseball reflect modern life?
@BeddieKU23 Nah, he will say they just want to give KU a chance.
@JayHawkFanToo Is LA even big enough for those egos? I mean, the city not the team!
@Bosthawk Here is some ticket info :smile:
Great move to turn down the $13 million qualifying tender.
@dylans So, the All-Jerk secondary!