BeddieKU23 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
One time KU target Ike Obiagu leaving FSU. Terrific rim protector.
I hope we pursue. FSU was mighty high on him going forward
Mehhhhh. He should go to Maryland or something.
Also do you know what the hell is going on down there? EE run and players are leaving? CJ Walker was going to be the starting PG again and left...
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Ramey to Texas. Bam right in the nads Mutards.
Damn. Expected though. Texas was the only team really after him which I think says something.. Ramey can be good in time but we all know Shaka doesn't help that development curve. You either show up good or else
He visited Louisville again recently but they are still radioactive.
Decent class for Shaka but who knows if he can do anything with it.
BeddieKU23 said:
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The high hopes of a Missouri Fan
in 2020 LOL
Bahahaha there is so much to tackle here.
Ok so...Mark Smith who was rancid at Illinois is going to be great.
KJ Santos who had an alright fr year in the horizon and was a low ranked recruit? STUD.
The best one listed might be Javon Pickett who I can only assume they took to help with Liddell, who they might not get.
But what he's really forgetting is that Cuonzo is still the HC. He's had better rosters than this at CAL and TENN, and we see how that went.
I wonder what KU will do at guard if Duke snags Hampton. Harvey feels more like a wing to me plus the legal crap he is dealing with.
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Doke too. Everyone but Vick. Doke getting an invite feels like a favor.
Just a sign he's not returning
Probably right.
Which is it Greggggg? Is it WSU is a powerhouse that would win the B12 going away or is it really that you were pimp slapping the MVC and the AAC is a step up from that with the B12 being another step up?
"The athleticism and size and talent in the American Athletic Conference, player for player, is a notch, if not a notch and a half, above what we were seeing," Marshall said. "Most of the guys on the roster were recruited as Missouri Valley guys, and we were undermanned in a couple of instances against certain teams.
"We needed to upgrade our talent level, and we had the opportunity to bring in some long, athletic young men that we think have great potential and talent. Several of them not only do we think, but at least a couple are going to have to play right away and be successful for our program to stay at the same level."
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article209846059.html#storylink=cpy ↗
Bravado vs reality is a beeyotch ain't it?
Doke too. Everyone but Vick. Doke getting an invite feels like a favor.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Josh Green had 37 today. He’s rising quickly up my wish list. KU is going to need some scoring in 2019, and he gets buckets.
If Duke nut punches Self/KU for Hampton, Josh Green becomes a top target imo.
Ramey to Texas. Bam right in the nads Mutards.
HighEliteMajor said:
So, is the "banned" thing with @Kcmatt7 real?
He asked for a one month ban so he could take a breather. If he contacts any of the staff members before then and wants back it's a non-issue.
So...it's not really a real ban kinda.
Lol, there's no way this has been done for a month.
FarmerJayhawk said:
The only way we get all 3 is if Silvio leaves. JRE can play the 5 since he’s like 6’10 235 now. Precious is skilled enough to play on the wing but I like him a lot in the Josh Jackson 4 role. Or you can play him at the 3 with Hurt at the 4 interchangeably, like we did with Vick and Svi.
Need to just close on JRE already. Loves KU AAAAND a great fit for Self (tough, rebounder).
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Norm is going to watch Precious this weekend. He likes KU quite a bit. UConn and FSU are teams to watch.
Have consistently heard he likes KU- especially Norm. This isn't the type of player we let go to a Uconn or FSU.. This is a top 5 player in his class I think when its all said and done
Norm's stomping grounds. If anyone can close him...
Great to hear that he likes KU, kind of unusual for someone from NY. Going to be a battle.
Jalen Carey liked Norm and KU as well at this point last year so yeah its early and a battle for sure. Of course Achiuwa is a different echelon of player so I'd imagine he's going to be a bigger priority
I firmly believe KU could have landed him if needed. Got that vibe reading between the lines from Slater.
BeddieKU23 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Norm is going to watch Precious this weekend. He likes KU quite a bit. UConn and FSU are teams to watch.
Have consistently heard he likes KU- especially Norm. This isn't the type of player we let go to a Uconn or FSU.. This is a top 5 player in his class I think when its all said and done
Norm's stomping grounds. If anyone can close him...
Great to hear that he likes KU, kind of unusual for someone from NY. Going to be a battle.
I expect Preston to get an invite actually.
Don't do this to yourself jb.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Norm is going to watch Precious this weekend. He likes KU quite a bit. UConn and FSU are teams to watch.
Not sure KU can land Hurt and Achiuwa but the odds of landing one seem pretty good. Either one puts KU in a good spot.
Someone official finally posted something about it.
"Let me take a few minutes to address the future of this site. Matt Scott and TheShiver are no longer part of the 247Sport network. It was a mutual separation this past week and we will be announcing a new full-time hire next week. This individual will be covering Kansas basketball, football and recruiting for the site. We appreciate what Matt has done on this site since joining us and wish him the best in the future. "
"In the very near future, we will be merging both the 247Sports site and Scout site into one and we will provide details prior to this transition. We're excited about the future of the site with our new writer plus the regular contributions you see from Kevin Flaherty."
@Kcmatt7 Kind of unreal given that every other blue blood and even schools like Maryland have good insider coverage. Shay is a hack, obviously.
I'll see what if anything Scott does, as well as be sure to be on forums with Ryan Noel and @FarmerJayhawk since those guys know their stuff. Though I know Ryan has stated before some of his info is 2nd hand from Scott.
@Kcmatt7 I'd be all for him just making a new hole in the wall site. I swear he posted more good info before going to 24/7 when it was completely free lol.
He just wasn't ready to try and turn it into a full blown job. And tbf he has a real full time job.
Kcmatt7 said:
Well I'm confident that Matt was overpaid.
Apparently he wasn't paid much if at all.
Looks like they are actually finally merging 247 with the Phog and will have some random hack writer. Should be more fluff pieces though.
Kansas is another school that has long been linked with Hurt, and the Jayhawks also made a good impression during their visit.
“My family and I have a good relationship with them,” said Hurt of Kansas. “The assistants are really good guys who talk about life with me. It isn’t all about basketball with them. We talk about life as well, so we have a strong relationship.”
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark Well coming up with ideas that could actually be implemented would make it look like they were actually trying to change something.
They aren't going to risk driving money out of CBB. The NCAA makes 81% of their revenue from the March Carney. Ratings have only gone up since the OAD rule was put in place. I just don't believe that they ACTUALLY want to get rid of players who give them tons of hype year after year.
Agree.
The most absurd idea to me was trying to do regional camps over the summer instead of AAU ball. It's already hard enough for coaches to see and evaluate everyone they want to. Something like that would lead to MORE transfers imo.
dylans said:
@BShark Maybe late shouldn’t just be defined by the calendar so much as the recruiting cycle. If almost all the known good players are signed, it’s late!
November 13th is not late at all. Lucas definitely doesn’t count.
If you judge late as missing on other targets and then settling Lucas and Mason are part of the equation.
justanotherfan said:
If you lock scholarships for players that leave, you have to make scholarships a four year contract. Coaches can't push players out anymore. You can't pull scholarships unless a player becomes academically ineligible, though that also introduces oversight issues.
The findings of this commission will be incredibly difficult to implement without some significant changes to the NCAA structure. If the AAU structure goes away, you will see more players flowing to Prep schools because it is incredibly difficult to evaluate players against mediocre competition (that's why coaches go to AAU tournaments instead of lots of HS games - also easier because you can see six or seven guys in one day rather than just one).
The entire rulebook needs to be re-written to implement these recommendations. Basically this commission recommends a total re-set.
Locking scholarships seems like a bad idea for everyone involved.
I think many of the suggestions from the committee are basically impossible.
For full disclosure: I am white.
If you don't think there are still general barriers in place I don't know what to tell you. You'll never see it otherwise. I'm not for anything like title 9 either. Everything should be based on merit but that may never happen, certainly not as long as old racists are in power. White people completely controlled America for the longest time and it still has an impact today. Only when all the old racist aholes have died off will there be more meaningful change, and we are getting there. In fact things are slowly headed in the right direction for homosexuality and transgenders, FINALLY.
@justanotherfan Brought up a great point about Lebron's friends. They now have successful businesses on their own merit. They however likely never would have had a real shot without Lebron's NBA/shoeco money to help get them going.
There is also so much delusion about the NCAA. People say it works, you say test the free market. The market is out there, it's just shady and underground with the shoe companies. So it's quite obvious kids have more value than a scholarship, regardless of what anyone thinks about it. Most kids or moreover someone related to them get paid, even though it won't come out in the report. If you are on scholarship on the KU hoops team you aren't hurting for money. Giving parents jobs, walk-ons with rich parents, guaranteed jobs after college... There are plenty of legal ways around not paying players directly.
Or in some cases, the actual racist while dumping out old lies talk...
Keep political talk on the political board. It's simple.
He actually did quit playing basketball afaik.
@dylans I thought so too but all the stuff I found on Lucas said he committed in November. Lucas was definitely a back-up plan though.
Kcmatt7 said:
@jayballer73 I don't know that he is vouching for the specific player as much as the staffs ability to identify a piece that can in fact contribute at some point.
It's a lot of things. Definitely what you said in that staff definitely doesn't like to leave open scholarships. Also rankings miss guys for a number of reasons. I just think it's best to fill the scholarships if you can especially when the staff has shown they can succeed developing lower ranked players. It's extremely low risk because if it doesn't work out they can always transfer to a level better suited for their abilities.
I'm not vouching for this particular kid yet. I'll check out what I can of him on youtube if KU offers.
@dylans Peters was actually a really early commit. Dunno about Wesley. Wasn't counting obvious high level players like Selby and Wiggins. You are right about Young and Whitman but they are transfers so I didn't include them in this.
All that said, I haven't seen anything to indicate Kansas is going after him hard at all.
jayballer73 said:
@BShark AND if I were a betting man and wanting to spend more time I would be will to bet that for every ONE that you try to justify with - I could give you THREE that were busts - - and spent 3/4 of their time end up riding the pine.
However like a fiend of mine brought up - -really no need to put much credence in any of these mystery names being thrown out and till we see solid evidence that Coach Self has been seen by reliable source as actually recruiting ANY type of mystery player. - -Right now all we have is people throwing out a bunch of names. - Like my friends said also in the article this kid didn't really bring KU that much into the topic.
Until it's been confirmed that Coach Self is actually recruiting these kids then - -pssssssssssssssssssssssssssssst. - -Easy to toss names out, nobody other then Self really knows for sure other then that it's all speculation
No that's the point...they aren't busts... Kids like Malik Newman who are top 10 and but up bad numbers at MSST, that's a bust.
It's worth filling out the roster even if the conversion rate on late low ranked additions is only 25%.
I'm torn on how to count Milton Doyle for Self. He never contributed for KU but he was a very good player and I was sad he didn't stick it out in Lawrence. Maybe count him as a half, lol.
Anyway Self going back to 2011 class late signings only which I will quantify as after the season. I'm also not counting late additions like Josh Jackson, for obvious reasons. I really had to go back to 2011 for more data points. Even Lucas, though lowly ranked was a November commit.
Lagerald Vick
Devonte Graham
Svi
Naadir Tharpe
Braeden Anderson
Mervyn Lindsay
So Self is batting .667 on late wildcard additions somewhat recently. And you have to go back to 2011 to find bad ones. Not too bad really.
Kcmatt7 said:
Bill does not sit on scholarships. He has proven this over and over again. I agree, I would love to see him sit on scholarships. But he is a traditional guy and he would rather have another body than an empty chair. Just the way he is.
Correct. From what I understand Self is pretty honest with them too. He's not telling them you're going to come in and start. It's going to be a battle.
His batting average on late additions is pretty decent.
I did find it interesting that the staff seems to think Agbaji can contribute right away. I still think he's going to be near the bottom of the guards next season.
https://247sports.com/Player/Barry-Brown-67904/high-school-119540 ↗
https://247sports.com/Player/Sviatoslav-Mykhailiuk-63318/high-school-110673 ↗
https://247sports.com/Player/Caris-Levert-23073/high-school-36737 ↗
https://247sports.com/Player/OG-Anunoby-34775/high-school-56746 ↗
https://247sports.com/Player/Victor-Oladipo-14674/high-school-2649 ↗
https://247sports.com/Player/Alec-Burks-59632/high-school-103790 ↗
Just a few examples....
Kind of pointless as it turns out. The biggest idiocy was talking about regional camps, that would be a disaster.
Vick is done at KU.
kjayhawks said:
I don’t wanna be preseason number 1, seldom does that team win anything in March. What happens with Doke with play a big hand IMO on how good we can be, the high low with him and Dedric could be pretty salty. Experience is what really worries me a bit, I know the Lawson boys and Moore have some D1 experience but they’ve never played in the NCAA tournament. You also never know how freshman will play at this level regardless of the number by their name. @KUSTEVE I really hope this team can guard, I have been unimpressed with our defense or lack of the last 4 or 5 seasons.
Eye test and traditional stats supported it too.
The tools will be there and with so many guys I expect Self to get after them if they slack on D. I mentioned it before but both the Lawsons are very lengthy and should disrupt on D.
KUSTEVE said:
I see a team that will be far superior defensively than what we've seen in years around here. Our size will be astonishing down low. I think we will be able to count our losses on one hand. I think we'll have a good shot at a repeat Final Four. I'm not sure Bill has ever had two 5 star guards to work with, so we might see some very rapid improvement the 2nd half of the season. This could be a complete juggernaut at some point next year.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2005/mario-chalmers-13070 ↗
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2004/russell-robinson-48889 ↗
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2006/sherron-collins-14638 ↗
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2005/brandon-rush-35212 ↗
08 TEAM WAS ALRIGHT I GUESS.
jayballer73 said:
@BShark So what's your feel with him? - - -we have a legit shot?. - - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KU vs Duke. KU very strongly positioned but Duke is making a HARD push which makes sense because he's a top tier talent.
@jayballer73 99% chance RJ reclassifies to 2019. It's all but done.
@Woodrow Thanks. I knew about the academic issues but never why.
And yeah the kid could absolutely hoop. I think he would have been really good at KU under Self. Too bad it didn't work out.
@Woodrow I thought it was academics but if you have an article about legal troubles I'd love to see it. Awhile back I was trying to dig into exactly what happened with him and didn't find anything conclusive.
Also LOL at Michael Phelps.
BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Agreed. I just think this is the most talented team Bill has had to work with in a while. And he has been seemingly overachieving lately. Probably not a great way to look at it, but I really do expect a lot this season.
Definitely I'm drawn to the unknown. Lots of paper talent
Lots of work to do, let's see how the pieces fit. I think Grimes and Dedric are guys that fit on any team, they just know how to hoop.
BeddieKU23 said:
It's such a dumpster fire list. But reading who made it says it all.
Without looking I guessed Myron Medcalf. And well...SURPRISE!
Statmachine said:
Kcmatt7 said:
@Statmachine You have to be careful giving young black men that kind of money at that age. They might do weed or eat crack. It's a slippery slope.
You mean like Michael Phelps? Oh wait he is not black!
Just making sure you understand he was joking.