Also remember Darnell Jackson took money from a booster and simply had to repay it. $2,700 is pretty much nothing. Doubt KU will have to vacate wins because of this.
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BeddieKU23 said:
If they question Apples its not like she has to talk. They have zero power to do anything. Her son no longer is in College or has anything at stake to risk talking
"I never gave any money to Josh and never paid it back."
Seems easy...
From a poster on the phog that would know. There was also stuff in this post about how he didn't take the loan while playing at KU but this is separate and I found it interesting.
"EJ is actually very sharp, kind, Coach level BBIQ and loves KU. He’s currently in Lawrence because he’s getting fucked over by his Euro team and has helped some current guys more than you’d think (on the court, media, normal frustrations in a season, helping teach them what Self wants, etc)."
He was also apparently dead set on going pro with TRob but the injury kept him back.
At least this isn't really a KU problem We already knew agents preyed on players and their families.
@jayballer73 Um, link? I've only seen $2,700 cited.
@mayjay Sounds pretty much spot on. :100:
Kcmatt7 said:
@HighEliteMajor Lol even still. These amount wouldn't have vacated wins.
Unless Bill or a coach orchestrated the loans through Miller, I don't expect us to get hit with anything based on this report alone.
The report is underwhelming, even if you include NCAA violations that could be put on schools from it.
Finally, the NCAA needs to be careful right here. If they try to make a point and crush all of these schools, that might be all of the P5 needs to just up and leave the NCAA and start pocketing all the money themselves.
For a bombshell I'd say KU got out of this pretty well with the extent of it being Apples Jones took $2,700 before Josh turned pro. If there is more later we will find out but you know Yahoo put all they could out there and Forde certainly would mention any KU player. They wouldn't sit on something this big.
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/exclusive-federal-documents-detail-sweeping-potential-ncaa-violations-involving-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html?__twitter_impression=true ↗
As much as you can see of it is there.
Malik Waayns is on the loan list so there are definitely guys well past playing college hoops on there.
Looks like my work browser is blocking it, will try and view it on the phone.
Dawkins flipped his entire books.
Xavier head coach Mack responded pretty aggressively: He said: “I have no relationship with Andy Miller or any of his associates. He plays no role in the recruitment of potential student athletes on Xavier’s behalf. Beyond that, our staff has never created a path for him to foster a relationship with any of our student-athletes while enrolled at Xavier. Any suggestion that I or anyone on my staff utilized Andy Miller to provide even the slightest of financial benefits to a Xavier student-athlete is grossly misinformed. We are prepared to cooperate with any and all investigations at any level.”
Kevin Knox is on the list, I wonder if he will play tomorrow...
@HighEliteMajor A lot of this appears to be the parents of players taking loans/cash advances while the player is still in school. Thankfully Josh is the only KU player on the list in that regard. We found out about Cliff and nipped it in the bud so my assumption would be that KU didn't know Apples took that $2,700 but maybe I'm overly optimistic.
@mihawk They didn't list EJ as receiving the payments before he turned pro whereas they did with other players on the list that are now pros. You know Forde would be all over that. Oddly enough Fred Van Vleet did apparently. But just 1k.
@BeddieKU23 https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/exclusive-federal-documents-detail-sweeping-potential-ncaa-violations-involving-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html?__twitter_impression=true ↗
As much as you can see of it is there.
Malik Waayns is on the loan list so there are definitely guys well past playing college hoops on there.
They actually don't even list EJ in the article but he is in the documents. That's what makes me think it was after he left Kansas. If he was at KU even possibly taking 15k, that'd make Forde so delirious he couldn't contain himself.
EJ being taking the most (of a KU player) that we know of is kind of hilarious. But yeah assuming it was after he was done at KU then it shouldn't matter. This is from 2015, so he had graduated.
@Kcmatt7 we are talking about Elijah Johnson, he took 15k.
@mayjay It mentioned the Turkish team he played for further down. So I would assume he took this loan while playing in Turkey. Which I can't imagine would be an issue. There are other players on the list that were pros and the perceived time of the loan as well.
There are players on that list that haven't played college basketball in a long ass time. So I would assume those are legal loans after the fact? I really don't know. But EJ is on there as taking a loan and obviously he graduated awhile ago.
Josh's mom took money, which isn't a surprise. Even Fred Van Vleet and Miles Bridges. If you are a parent and wanted to get paid, it seemed pretty easy.
Buhhhhbye.
@JayHawkFanToo Yeah I just look at his history and I don't see him having any long term success. He has been a constant tease.
@BeddieKU23 They want to be involved. The optics might appear better if they don't try hard though. I believe he did take an unofficial visit there.
@JayHawkFanToo I don't think he will end up at a dumpster program like Missouri.
@FarmerJayhawk That would be a smart move for Memphis.
Markese Jacobs had 19 pts in a playoff win last night.
Thoughts and prayers go out to Donovan Jackson and his family. His dad died recently at just 52 years old. The funeral I believe is the day of the WVU game.
Dressing just 6 scholarships players against WVU. Wow.
@BeddieKU23 It sure feels like we are in a great spot with a lot of targets. I think it's already basically down to KU and Minnesota for Hurt. He could pop early.
Then there is still Chandler Lawson. That's a very close family and Dedric and KJ have been loving it in Lawrence.
That's...a lot of 4s. Especially considering Mitch and KJ should still be around.
Former coach Greenberg. So smart!
I expect him to take more visits. UNC and some others have put forth the effort. So he should use all his officials and ultimately end up at KU.
Romar is every recruit's god father it seems. :joy:
@BeddieKU23 I haven't heard of anything changing here, but AZ is AZ so obviously the history is there. I'll keep my ear to the ground on this. I've been to a few of his games this year.
Achiuwa's team won the NJ prep state title last night.
BeddieKU23 said:
Josh Green mentioned KU as one of the schools talking to him daily and recruiting him hard. Green is a stud. Big guard much in the mold of Grimes
He is a fair bit better than Harvey at this stage from what I've seen. Their ranking is similar though. I wonder if we can take both.
Harvey was at the OU blood bath.
Cutting him would be really stupid when you can trade him. ;)
Washington is going to end up with well over 20 wins they aren't completely terrible. Should KU have beat them? Sure but this KU team has lost to some other average teams as well. There are no juggernauts this year and everyone has bad losses.
@wissox Well if KU beats them now it will be over.
wissox said:
OSU thinks it's a football school so their fans don't go to basketball games. But it's really not a significant football school either.
:joy:
I bet they will be pretty full for KU too.
Choklahoma State.
BeddieKU23 said:
Osu gonna choke this game
You can see the pee running down their legs.
So as KU goes, a poster on the Phog that knows some guys around the program and has had good info before posted this and I feel it is worth sharing here for people that don't go there.
"
Didn’t see the fbi thread but figured I’d post in case there’s a little concern. Fwiw:
Buddy of mine played for Self in the last 5 years and was heavily recruited nationally. Had dinner with him last night, the Louisville stuff was on TV so I asked if we had anything to worry about. Pretty much word for word: “with the coaches? Fu-uck no. It’s all good with the coaches. No idea about players and what they may be up to, but the programs clean.”
I asked about a certain Asst coach and he said “oh no. Self is serious about that shit and none of them would go rogue. Especially him. He’d be gone so fast and he knows it (alluding to any minor violation).”
Take it how you want to. For me, the overall mindset the staff works with is a positive right now, plus I’ve been told this before by another. Also, he’s told some less than positive things about the program in the past that he knows I’d never repeat, so he’d definitely at least allude to it If stressful times might be on the horizon.
Overall, the reply I hoped to hear."
@HighEliteMajor can rejoice
@Kcmatt7 It's going to be a long offseason.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BShark He would play a ton, just wouldn't be allowed to take half court shots with no passes while on the run and left-handed like Kruger let's him do.
Agree.
Trae would play plenty, Self isn't that crazy.
benshawks08 said:
Honestly, he'd likely be getting Cunliffe like minutes at KU because of his D.
No.
Grimes 14/10/10 in a playoff win last night. I tried to get a box score but could not find it. Grimes did hit two free throws at the end to seal the game.
Edit: Found a solid write-up of the game https://www.yourconroenews.com/neighborhood/moco/sports/article/BOYS-HOOPS-College-Park-holds-on-to-beat-North-12628915.php?utm_campaign=twitter-desktop&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social ↗
Markese Jacobs for the season averaged 18.4 ppg, 2.6 spg and 3.1 apg.
Ouch
justanotherfan said:
DA Steve Howe has a professional relationship with the police that he needs to maintain. They testify for the prosecution regularly. He needs the support of the department. Its very difficult for him to be neutral on something like that.
Disgusting but understandable.
Lol. Billy never played a minute.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Another guy KU should be on in 2019. Very skilled and versatile guard. Grew 5” in the last year so shooting is still inconsistent, but will get better as he fills out. https://247sports.com/Player/AJ-Lawson-46039513 ↗
Looks pretty good. I think Oregon and UK have better Canada pipelines than us but Wiggins can't hurt.
Definitely. Graham isn't big enough to be a 2G in the league.
@Gorilla72 Starting PG. Graham would be in the same role he was playing with Frank.