Rebounding and defense are so hard for this team
BShark
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Actually this team is great at shooting threes.
Jackson back on the bench.
Shooting 30% meh
Which poses the question if it happens, who would we want to come in as new assistants?
Now that's funny.
Question for anyone: If there is a miracle and Self gets Duval to come to KU is it the most talented starting line-up he has had? Projecting a line-up of Duval, Newman, Vick, Preston, Doke.
Walker's recruitment has been a very strange one for a 5 star. Many believe he won't leave the south. Also I know we and heck even I am weary about Scott after how he handled the Young situation but he said that Cunliffe took Walker's potential spot.
@BeddieKU23 said:
gotta love the all out references. Like are they sitting outside his house?
:sob: :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob: :sob:
Dying.
Is truly awful. Crean can't survive this.
Also, I found the player that had his best game of the season against us that game: http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/curtis-jones-1/gamelog/2017 ↗
This Oak Hill team is pretty good, and most of the D1 talent is going to the Big 12. I think Wigginton will be GREAT for ISU and Coleman is just what UT needs, a PG.
Love hearing about the rebounding. The rest lines up with previous talk, he's a guard that grew into a post body. Also interesting is that he hasn't lifted all that much? He could end up being a total beast at KU. Really hope we get him for 2 years.
@stoptheflop said:
Worrisome quote "You can post him, but he's not a post guy. ...he'll play on the perimeter in college." So really, he'll play the 3 spot for KU, right? Or, Self will continue to play four perimeter players next year of whom Preston will be one. Our man Dok will play the 5 and be backed up by Lightfoot and Coleby? All presupposing Preston becomes eligible. Wow, Coach Self is going to earn his paycheck next year.
Two black holes in Preston and Malik. It will be a process for sure.
I could see Preston playing a similar position in the offense as Perry did by the end. Basically a perimeter post type. He won't take as many shots as JR/SR Perry I imagine though.
@BeddieKU23 said:
He'll be used in the same way Josh is being used this year. He can matchup to opposing 4's but will be a mismatch for other teams because of his skills. Defense is the major question with him. He'll add spacing to the floor for Doke to operate on the block.
Newman, Vick, Cunliffe, Preston, Doke. That's deadly on offense if/once Self gets them playing as a team. Hopefully Doke can stay on the floor and erase a LOT of mistakes on defense heh.
@BeddieKU23 said:
@joeloveshawks said:
Do any of you guys know where Preston stand as far as eligibility?
That has been a dead subject since he landed at Oak Hill. I figure it will come back around when he gets closer to graduation and getting to KU this summer...Get your popcorn ready
Preston sounds confident he will qualify, his coach does too. Haven't heard anything from KU's side on the matter
Yep the rumours will fly once we get into the spring.
Well they did just trade off a lot of guards... Good luck to these former hawks.
@Statmachine said:
Kansas is going "all out" for 5 star #1 PG Trevon Duval. Also heavily pursuing 5 star SG M.J. Walker
Not getting either one.
I would assume to fill out the roster and yeah, athletically he is not a guy that historically sees play under Self. Lucas wasn't either though...but this is another level (or two) down from Lucas. I'd much rather land Smith of course.
Let's just hope Cunliffe turns out better for KU than previous kids from his HS have in Lawrence...
I have no doubts Preston will drive us and Self nuts, but then yeah he will do something ridiculous in a good way.
Agree Chaundee was a tough miss but then the staff landed Cunliffe so it's not as big of a deal. I feel Chaundee fit Self's old rigid system much better as a wing, and Cunliffe doesn't have great basketball skills yet. But with the ways Self has been coaching lately, I feel like he can get good output from Cunliffe. I am not sure Cunliffe wants to do it, but he is an intriguing small ball 4 option.
You are pretty much right Graham and Svi being up in the air has hurt recruiting. We think they are gone, which leaves the very thin line-up of Newman, Vick, Garrett and then Cunliffe at semester. If they are both back however, that's 6 guards and there isn't room for much more pt if any. That said with the way the staff is gunning for a PG, they sure are recruiting like Graham is gonzo.
Preston intrigues me. The talent is there for sure. Funny how things could work out, I doubt he ends up committing to KU if Ayton goes as planned. While Ayton is a great talent I think 2 years of Preston might end up being better (two years is a stretch here but the 2018 draft class is a lot weaker so maybe it works out).
Garrett imo will never be THE pg but he will definitely handle the ball some.
Of course Smith is a PG, what else is he? LOL. He is an unconventional PG I suppose though, in that his body type is bulky. Decent shooter and good bbiq though.
Once Duval is out of the picture (in my mind he should be already but we know how the staff operates) I'd love to see them press for Smith. Smith's 247 page was updated recently. He has a lot of good offers.
Another interesting guard is Jermaine Couisnard. Can absolutely shoot it and score it. Now, he would definitely instigate a freak out if he committed. No profile I could find on Rivals, Scout or ESPN. Not many highlights of him out there.
If he goes, it's likely he ends up in the dleague or Europe. His clock to get paid is ticking and it's not like another year assures he gets drafted in the NBA, so I do understand if he goes.
Oh I definitely think it's possible for him to go pro. I was just bummed when KU wasn't involved early enough because I thought he would be a 2-3 year player (a very good one at that).
@BeddieKU23 said:
Yupp that is why the stakes were so going after high the last PG target.
I know Devonte hasn't said publicly he's going pro but there was plenty of smoke from around the program that he was. And it seemed to be backed further when Self's main goal for the entire recruiting cycle was to get a top point guard.
He struck out on Thornton who transferred from Duke-USC, Sexton -Alabama, Troy Brown-Oregon. We also tried unsuccessfully to get involved with Quade Green- Kentucky, Matt Coleman- Texas, Tremont Waters- Georgetown, Nick Weatherspoon- Miss St, Deajon Davis- Washington. That's 9 PG/Combo Guards in the top 50 that KU has not landed for one reason or another. All of them besides the OU kid decided before Frank Mason blew up and had such a great season.
What we can hope is that his season has a great impact on the 2018 kids like Dotson, Grimes & Lewis that the staff has already targeted..
That would leave Malik Newman and Vick and Cunliffe to carry the load.
Newman being the only hope of being a ball-handler/facilitator. Garrett would get some major PT at that point as well.
It's clear Self will get guards if Devonte does leave. We just don't know what will be available when Devonte makes that decision. And we will have no clue what level of impact those guards will be at.
I wouldn't classify Brown any more of a possible PG than Garrett. Don't think he belongs mentioned with those others. Also fwiw I believe that Thornton/Newman as well as Garrett/Brown were pretty much either/ors for the staff. Of course there was no assurance that we get Brown anyway (Nike was an issue), which is why the staff taking Garrett was smart. But anyway, both struggle to shoot. Though Garrett is improving more in this regard. Brown is a complete non-shooter. From what I've seen his stroke looks good, it just does not go in consistently.
Jmo on the rest here.
Sexton - clear miss, to a shitty program. KU was involved early. This one stings.
Green - no mutual interest, can't be helped.
Coleman - Tricky one. No 100% sure of KU's interest. He was waiting for the Duke offer that never came. So if KU presses early they probably don't get a commit anyway. Maybe he picks KU late over Texas. Hindsight says maybe go this route but recruiting Coleman could have hurt with other targets.
Tremont Waters - Like Coleman maybe if KU is more serious they land him.
Nick Weatherrspoon - Don't think he was interested in KU.
Davis - no idea actually, didn't follow his recruitment at all but listing his name for completion sake.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Yeah I can't see Allen staying when he's projected to be in the middle 1st round/maybe late lottery discussion. Andrew Jones has shot up boards as well of late and could also depart. Shaka will be in full rebuild at that point if that happens.
That would be brutal for them and it would make me less sad about KU not getting in on Jones sooner. If he is oad, then meh.
@JayHawkFanToo said:
Texas is starting to look like the Kansas Turnpike, always under construction and never finished...🤦♂️
LOL
Agree. I just hope going after him doesn't hurt the pursuit of other, more realistic late guard signees.
The results might not be consistent but it's fairly clear when the team ratchets up the pressure on the perimeter. Of course another risk is fouling out because the refs are calling it tight.
@BeddieKU23 said:
anyone see duval's blog post., SMH at this kid. Comments about Kansas not shouting his name at the game but Duke did. Yippeeee that fans didn't bend over backwards for you when the game was more important
Yeah, staff should be off of him but they really want an elite guard. He is more likely to go to Seton Hall than KU imo.
A quick thought about KU's defense... I feel a part of it is due to the lack of depth. In the tournament there are more breaks, longer breaks etc... I think that benefits a team with really good players but poor depth and that they could ratchet up the defense a bit more consistently.
Yep. Looks like we are going to have a winner that won't reach 50 points....
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology ↗
I would be seriously pissed off if WSU was our 9 seed. In TULSA. You don't reward a 9 seed with playing closer to home than the 1 seed.
We usually get at least three. Who ya got? My money is the Okie Lite roadie after the conference has already been clinched.
Should be an outright title this year...
Lucas too. It will be hard not to cry I'm sure.
Not sure KU has ever had a player with this last name on the roster. :laughing:
UCLA and UK are contenders.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said:
@BShark If they're looking, it's because of Preston, not Coleby.
Disagree completely. Imo Doke and Preston are the starters but the bench is a real concern outside of possibly Bragg.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said:
@BShark Coleby is still recovering from his ACL tear in summer of 2015. It usually takes basketball players longer than any other group to fully recover from that kind of injury.
Also, are you aware that KU is still going to be pretty thin in front court depth next year. We'll see if Doke has recovered 100% by then, Lightfoot is still a work in progress, who knows what we'll get out of Bragg next year and finally there's the issue of whether or not Billy Preston will even get through the NCAA Clearinghouse or not. Coleby will be an important player to have because he can be a steady presence like LL when he's 100% next year.
Right it might not materialize due to depth issues. We will see though, I'd bet the staff will be looking at grad transfer post players.
@Big-Clyde52 said:
@BShark Where is Coleby going? Will he not be a senior?
Out to pasture. He might stay though, depends on who is available in terms of post grads and decommits.
Imo it has to do with the fact that Mitch will be here 4-5 years and Coleby might not be here next year.
@AsadZ said:
To the effect I'd like coach to give some PT to colbey during the next few games. This will increase his confidence for March and will help keep Lucas fresh
At this point it's clear Self prefers Lightfoot over Coleby.
As far as Vick/Svi, both have their weaknesses. I wouldn't mind seeing Vick start though, as I feel Svi has been a big part of the slow starts recently.
Might end up being too late to offer Smith, as he is picking up more B1G offers.
@Crimsonorblue22 said:
@wissox not for this year! They will be lucky to get an at large bid. Marsha sweating it out. They beat ou, got killed by osu
They will be in the tournament. Kenpom #13...
@Lulufulu said:
@BShark ok. Bet. IF KU plays WSU in March this year. You against the board. you put up as much money as you are willing to lose on Your WSU team. Everyone else bets on KU, obviously. And when you lose, you owe all of us what you bet on.
I don't gamble.
@kjayhawks said:
Does this loss move Baylor from the 1 line?
Probably, and I doubt they will win out with at ISU and home for WVU remaining on their schedule.
@HawkChamp said:
@KUSTEVE actually, Trier and Cartwright were both out that game
Correct. In my book, they didn't actually beat Arizona. It's still a good win though.
They also beat Florida (this win looks really good now), ISU (only by 2...) and well....that's basically it! The rest of their schedule is a complete joke.
@brooksmd said:
@BShark Landen "Iceman" Lucas. Been a lot of downers on LL, my nephew is one, but by golly he stepped right up and took care of business in that last possession.
He does his best and he is super smart. He might not be supremely talented or athletic but it's completely fine to have players like that on the team. Self has historically done quite well with this type of player, despite that they are not his preference.
KT is a boss.
https://twitter.com/JeremyJohnsonBU ↗
The tears of a Bayl0re fan.
So much respect for Landen.
Fun stat: Baylor didn't score in the last 3:34
@JayHawkFanToo said:
Andy Katz
ESPN Senior WriterSo for those wondering why Baylor coach Scott Drew called a timeout in the final possession against Kansas instead of letting it play out, he gave an explanation. Drew said Manu Lecomte had hurt his ankle with seven minutes left and there was concern that if he had to go to a different option he wouldn't have been able to complete the play. Baylor wanted to get the ball to Johnathan Motley. But the play didn't develop the way it wanted out of the timeout and the side out of bounds. Drew said credit Kansas' defense.
Good stuff thanks for reposting.
Win conference coach of the year, can we fire all the voters?
Double OT!
Actually, 2nd is still in play for ISU. That's crazy.