Just seems like a whole mix of players and the shooting ability anywhere on the court is going to be fun to watch. You can tell he has modeled his game after some current NBA guys with the step back and the cross over jab step for a jumper. Just a few I've noticed in a lot of recent videos
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Woodrow said:
Garrett said he thinks Dotson will play Saturday.
Wow the timing on that was crazy
Marcus Garrett told Matt Tait he thinks Dotson will play this weekend
That hoop-explorer site is fun.
KU's current starting lineup (Dotson, Garrett, Agbaji, McCormack, Azubuike)- 183 possessions together- P/100 (Points Per 100 Possessions)- 103.3. Biggest stat that stood out about this lineup is the Turnover % 25.7 besides the terrible scoring numbers together.
Now to more glaring evidence to play the 4 guard lineup at least on offense.
Lineup (Dotson, Garrett, Agbaji, Moss, Azubuike)- 143 possessions together- Points Per 100 Poss.- 130.1. Only a 14% TO rate together. Note add Braun to this lineup and take Moss out in 45 possessions 135.5 P/100. Promising stuff.
Of course if the bigger picture is him being healthy for later sit him. This season should not be spoiled yet again by injuries to our best players (which have plagued just about every season in recent memory).
Haven't heard any major complaints about him on defense.
Next year's lineup could be long on the perimeter- Garrett 6'5, Thompson 6'5, Agbaji 6'5, Braun 6'6, Enaruna 6'8, Wilson 6'8, Grant-Foster 6'7. Obviously a few of those guys could be interchangeable in a 4 guard look.
Yeah they moved KU up after last nights games, last night they were #2, #11 O, #2 D. Slight movements.
I think he will sit Saturday's game but that's just a gut feeling after seeing the team play without him Tuesday.
If he can manage the pain and practice I say play him. I don't know if Moss is going to put up a 3rd straight 15+ point game. Without that kind of production from him or another guard like Braun it will be difficult to win Saturday without him on the floor at least in some capacity. Texas is a much better defensive team and plays at a slow tempo while shooting a lot of 3's, recipe for keeping a game close
To add literal insult to injury, Self reported Agbaji hurt his back 3 minutes into the OU game and played with a back strain.
Get the bubble wrap out staff
Yep, should be fun to see him and I expect he'll fit right in chemistry wise.
Things to be excited about with this guy on offense next season.
Step back 3 pointer is a signature move of his. Quick release.
Midrange game- Lost art but can be useful and effective when needed.
Ball-handler with size and gets in the paint. Will finish above the rim in transition, on cuts to the basket or around the rim in general.
Cannot leave him wide open, deadly.
Self told Jesse Newell that Dotson had a really good workout Wednesday. Doesn't indicate whether he practiced..
Another interesting thing to note about Tempo and how that correlates to Offense/Defense.
KU is bottom 100 in Tempo (possessions per game)
Note: KU is actually Top 100 in possession length on Offense - they get a shot off every 16.5 seconds on average.
However its the defense that's actually slowing tempo- KU is bottom 30 in the nation in possession length on defense- which supports teams having to work hard to get a good shot.
Virginia for example- worst team in the nation in tempo, also top 10 in defensive possession length.
I wasn't surprised to see Texas near the bottom of this list as well with Michigan's defensive guru coach on staff now. I would reckon the game in Austin Saturday will be low scoring and hard to watch.
K-St was also top 10 in this stat too. Imagine if the defense wasn't somewhat decent, would K-St even have 5 wins..
Some team stats.
Top 10 in 2ptFG% (8th)
Top 100 in 3ptFG% (64th), however (279th) in % of shots being 3's.
93rd in Assist Rate- Supports this being an average passing team, at best.
The Defense is playing at a high level however one alarming stat to pay attention at the bottom.
Block Rate (20th)- Almost all Doke. His improvement as a rim protector has been awesome to see.
Steal Rate (34th)- Been a strong point most of the season, Dotson ranks high individually here + the Combo of Garrett/Agbaji/Braun they are pesky.
Assist Rate (226)- Well above average at forcing teams to get their own offense.
Opponent 2ptFG% (23rd)- size and length bothers teams, generally this teams doesn't give up easy baskets.
Opponent 3ptFG% (32nd)- Teams are not making their 3's against KU however they are taking a lot of shots from 3.
Opponent 3pt Attempts (345th)- Teams are shooting more 3's against KU due to the strong inside the perimeter defense but on the flip side not making the attempts. How lucky is this. In a one game sample- say in March I don't like this stat at all. Ex- Nova & Auburn.
At present 1/16/20, KU is Kenpom's #1 team in the land.
Surprisingly the gap between KU/Duke and Baylor is over 4 points 29.3 to 25.2 in adjusted efficiency margin. It's surprising cause KU got taken to the woodshed by #3
12 Offense, #3 defense behind West Virginia/Virgina but the gap is close.
I broke down and bought a subscription and I'm interested to see what information I can pull out that could be useful to post on here.
Might be nursing an injury? However Sampson made some changes to the lineup and looks like Q was one of them. The Natives are getting to see what he was last year. Here's some snips.
Is Grimes totally healthy? The way he's playing I hope not. He's become invisible out there.
Grimes is mentally shook. Asking him to take care of the ball AND to be a scoring threat has killed his offensive game. He was grossly overrated in HS, that much is also obvious.
He is a decent player but not even one of the 4 best on this team.
Him going to the NBA early is just the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
He could stay here through his senior year and get better and then who knows. Its definitely time to dial back any lofty expectations for Grimes. He’s merely an average player for us.
I still thought we were getting a really good player. He is way too soft on offense. His defense is mostly pretty good. Was definitely overrated as a 5 star. His biggest weakness is between the ears, unfortunately. Perhaps he can have a good game soon and gain some confidence. We need him to start balling at some point. I would think, based solely on his play, that Sampson might start sitting him a lot more. Aside from a handful of games (6?), and a few of those were early, he has been way too timid
Shaka got a road win at Oklahoma St last night- Boynton is now 0-4 in conference play.
5 ranked teams lost last night, only one (Butler) to another ranked team.
Would love to know what software he used for that. Also to plug out the data on what combination is producing best. I'm sure we have a good enough idea as it is.
Their leading scorer bricked 2 free throws as well that would have won it, gave Kentucky chance to score and tie and then that buzzer beater
And FSU in a tight one at home against Virginia in closing seconds but will hold on
One time KU TARGET @BShark Jermaine Couisnard nails game winning banking 3 with no time left on clock. He also missed 2 free throws in the last minute, flair for the dramatic
South Carolina as I'm watching doesnt practice free throws either. A classic pissing a win down their legs minute
Crack the good stuff Kentucky might lose to Frank Martin
Yeah that was one, Iowa St is also statistically the worst defending team in the league.
Somehow someway this needs to make it plastered to Selfs door, his front door to the house, inside his newspaper, reading material in the crapper, on his ipad on a plane or bus. Whatever it takes the dude needs it
BShark said:
@benshawks08 playing David and Doke together is our worst line-up. Much worse on offense including an alarming turnover rate. Slightly worse on defense and the standout stat here is teams are 7% better from three with the Dave Doke combo on the floor. Opponents also take many more threes against that pairing, it's a recipe for disaster.
Maniac and Doolittlecrap made most of their perimeter shots with the duo
Certainly could explain the treatment he has been getting since the WVU game.
Bryce Thompson is a 5 star PG but likely will play the Garrett role this yr supplementing Marcus at the point and getting to focus on how prolific a shot maker he is.
Since his FT% is low that's probably holding back him climbing. Also low assists, higher then average turnovers & fouls factor in. You will see his conference rating is higher so far.
Average is 15, he's well well above average. Although the model is meant for the NBA, it gives a snapshot at his incredible value to this team and his individual ability in the paint on both ends
Actually I see shades of Svi in Moss. Limited defender but they give effort, not great rebounders or instinctive hustler for steals but when surrounded by a team defense your not losing a ton playing him.
I agree its weird since a lot of preseason talk prior to the hamstring injury was Moss would play starter minutes. Now he's been put to the fire with injuries and we saw the response last night. He certainly seems to be one that gains confidence with made baskets (something Svi also excelled upon). I think with his shooting ability the more minutes, more opportunity and more attempts he can provide that steady 40% trey gunner. It's obviously needed. He can give you offense in a hurry or be radio silent. The risk of playing him big minutes certainly seems to outweigh everything else right now.
PER's after the Oklahoma Game. I've also added PER's for conference play to see the difference in season totals vs how guys are performing in conference.
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Through 4 games in Conference
His PER (player efficiency rating) is higher this year then his previous two seasons which includes his improvement as a shooter. On the Season he's 66.7% at the FT line, 35.5% from 3 & 46% FG's which are career best numbers on higher volume. He's averaging almost 2 more assists a game then last season and has a 2.6 assist to turnover ratio. For comparison Dotson's is 1.73 Assist/To ratio.
If he continues to develop that shot I think he can get drafted next season. Good size to run point, defensive pest, takes care of the ball, smart player. We'll see what happens. Happy he's a hawk
Let's discuss.
Last night in 38 minutes he stepped up big time. He wasn't perfect (some missed layups and FT's) but he completely controlled the game for KU.
"He didn't turn it over," Self continued of Garrett. "And ... he controlled the game."
"I think Marcus hated it and at the same time loved it," Self said. "Because, to win, we definitely need Dot. But it was a time that [Garrett] could show he could be our point guard. And there's no doubt who the point guard will be next year."
That last part- A- Dotson is most likely not returning after the season and B- Self's confidence in Marcus to run the team has become well known, not only in the short term but next season when Dotson is expected to move on professionally.
Despite playing Oklahoma (Kenpom #63 defense) he looked smooth and in control running the point. He's on two hobbled ankles and just showing the toughness we love to see from a floor general.
Garrett at least from how I see has ascended to the level of trust Frank & Devonte had placed on them before him. It's a demanding and challenging honor but Marcus seems up to the task. When most kids are auditioning for the NBA, Marcus seemed to be auditioning to run this team next season and I think that was cemented last night
BShark said:
If he is out until Feb at least this is a soft part of the schedule. Texas, KSU, Tenn, Okie Lite.
Good point. Was looking at the slate coming up and if they think resting him during this part of the schedule could save his season at least there are no games we wouldn't be favored/expected to win (except our yearly dump in Stillwater of course)
Agree with it all.
I don't mean to pile on Dave (next year is his to anchor the post) but I'm stunned this has gone on this many games without a change.
The flipside to that is he's not playing starters minutes anyway- last 5 games 12.8 mpg so Self is clearly benching him once he sees the ineffectiveness of him out there but why continue to start him when your getting so little production on both ends. The 3 turnovers last night is what stuck out to me from him in the OU game, I think they actually credited Azubuike with one for a pass he perfectly set up for him to get a layup/dunk that he just fumbled away to OU. He had another missed opportunity from Doke by bringing the ball down instead of going straight up and Harmon stole it (that was during the first 2 minutes of the game). There was another play he fumbled the ball out of bounds after Ochai drove to the lane, made a spin move and had the ball blocked at the rim that seemed to perfectly summarize his hands. Is he just so excited to make the play he's overthinking it?
From a pure production standpoint we are not getting even average production at the 4 spot. Moss may have his hit and miss games but his hits may be 20 point efforts and a key to a win. I guess we continue to wait and see what Self decides on. Last night was clear evidence to start Moss once Dotson is back (if he's back)
How much of it do you think is Self running an offense that in today's age is not adapting quick enough?
Also the counter to that is Self is running the offense he thinks this group is capable of running (meaning he doesn't have the perfect roster to be play more modern). Not a good passing team and really only 1 reliable shooter (hot and cold Mossy) so it doesn't look as fun when we continually feed the post and watch everyone stand around.
benshawks08 said:
@BeddieKU23 Be interesting to see Dunk stats for this years team. Seems like we are getting our fair share...
Without a doubt I bet the numbers will be double last season. Dedric couldn't dunk if it was an 8foot hoop
Last two games- 17.5 ppg, 8-19 from 3 (42%), 48% FG in 78 minutes. Last night he was indispensable and one of the 3 best players in the game. When he shoots it like that you play him.
Now the question begs, with/without Dotson do we start him anyway?
The last two games it seems the more he has played the more comfortable he gets. Offensively it gives Self wrinkles to get him perimeter looks which in this offense is critical since it certainly looks like the blueprint on how to defend this team is out there. In theory, having Moss on the floor should have an impact on opening some lanes and forcing defenses to guard him which gives Self the ability to feed the post easier etc. We know that philosophy is not going away as long as Doke is playing.
Moss isn't going to do this every night however there doesn't seem to be much risk to him coming off the bench anymore
FarmerJayhawk said:
Hot rumor is he’s out until February but just a rumor until something more concrete comes out
Ouch, at least the rumor isn't shutting it down to protect draft prospects.
Highs & Lows of being a Freshman?
I wonder what starting him would do for his confidence. I remember when he got the nod in the 2nd half against West Virginia his play was full of confidence.
And if this Dotson injury has the potential to keep him out another game or more (very concerned with the lack of clarity on his situation) then inserting Braun into Dave's spot could be another much needed lift here. We can't get much less production from Dave then we are currently getting. I don't know what the coaches are seeing in continuing this. These seems like Classic Stubborn Bill.
It's a recurring pattern every single season
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Nova won in ot, chuck had 29 pts for DePaul
DePaul 0-4 in conference. Ouch
BShark said:
KU wins, Duke, Missouri and KSU lose. That's what I call a good night.
If you squeeze Kentucky in there I would have cracked a bottle of good stuff
They took horrible shots and missed good looks. I'm okay with it
BShark said:
@HighEliteMajor It upsets me but Bill is unlikely to change. You know he is hammering them on force feeding the post.
Yeah we fed Dave the ball late in the 2nd half with 4 better options out there
Not like Baylors
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Doolittle and Manek both putrid.
I'll take it. Maniac usually goes off against us
Oklahoma had a Kobe stat line, 19-62
This team already has more road wins than last year squad