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Now that I've watched the start of the game and one-eyed the rest of it last night, I don't get the fools gold comment. While true, we missed some 3's that were either open, hurried or not so great attempts, I re-watched many passed up attempts (partly because of oncoming pressure) and drives past the onrushing D into a swarm of WV bodies in the paint.

Seldon tried to go 1 on 4 in this very scenario and was called for a charge. Sorry, if there is 1 on 4, others are open. Most natural toss off would have been to Traylor standing at the elbow of Seldon's side of the court (versus PE at the other elbow).

Question is, why didn't Seldon pass in that situation?
1) Just because
2) JT not a great option

Personally, I think it was 1 in this instance, but if the overall efficiency numbers reflect impact of player combinations (Jesse's post of some advanced +/- stats particularly related to combo's around Perry/C5) wonder what some other combinations mightshow.

@benshawks08 Hope not.

@sfbahawk Just started watching and saw the first 2 baskets and 2/3 while Hunter was in. I wouldn't say he went around Hunter as shot effectively over him. Looked like wv player went out of the game at the same time Lucas came in. At first break, I noticed one rebound by Lucas.

Coming out of the first time out...9 players went high speed down the court (Ku on offense) and Lucas never made it into the front court before the play was over.

Mickelson seems back on the slow train to the deep freeze. The only thing that masks that is he is starting.

Someone please tell me where ever a starter with 0 fouls plays 5 minutes in a game?

The logic is...well, let's face it, there is NO logic that explains that. It's not just about individual stats, it's about the overall efficiency of the team. That has always been Bill Self's approach (again, Brady Morningstar case in point). It is clear that we are more efficient with Mickelson in the line up (if you want some level of experience). I can go the route of Bragg/Dialo as well.

I missed much of the first half and was able to watch rest with one eye and will re-watch some of it tonight. I will be watching to see not just the turnover, but what was going on with the other folks on the court that may have contributed to the situation that led to it.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2016/jan/12/bill-self-kus-early-3-pointers-fools-gold/?sports ↗

It's back.

“It was fool’s gold. We were up 13-9 and hadn’t thrown it inside but once,” KU coach Bill Self said.

This makes it apparent that shooting and making the 3 is psychologically, in Self's mind, damaging to other aspects of how the players play. Followed up with 50-50 balls that was a problem.

Wonder where we go from here?

@pa_grape no. Néed access to advanced analytic sites to get those breakdowns

@pa_grape no. Believe have to have access to advanced analytic s

@jayballer54 said:

Mickelson good rim protector, not great but sufficant

Guess I don't undersand this. Later you point out that HM has 19 blocks in limited pt versus Traylors 13 in highest pt.

@KansasComet said:

@jayballer54 WVU 47 free throw attempts. We made more baskets tha they did and drilled 7 more 3 pointers. They got away with everything. Not worried, they still come to our home court.

Except haven't exactly gotten whistles there either.

Small locker room

West Virginia fans prove the didn't deserve to be #1

Bragg boosts his 3 pt %

Sure wish we'd practiced more pressing

Passed 50

What's with the WV hip thrusts. Looks like a whorehouse out there when they're on defense.

Bad possession

Hunter

@Texas-Hawk-10 I think part of the argument is that it doesn't take much to scheme against Lucas / Traylor on defense: play off and clog the lanes, be ready for Traylor drive right.

@jaybate-1.0 I thought this post was bleed over from the basketball food post.

@jayballer54 Coaches spot watch other programs...they are watching game film of their immediate and soon to be opponents. They mail it in at best. At worst they play to what benefits them the most.

Case in point, look at how MU coaches voted in the football polls, when MU was on it's way out the B12 door and setting up house with the SEC>

@globaljaybird Except he barely rebounds at a better rate than Mickelson. 1 more rebound for every 10-11 minutes of playing time. Hardly impactful when you consider, in those 10-11 minutes, Mickelson will have maybe blocked a shot, gotten a steal and/or an assist, and had a fewer turnover.

Maybe with a little more consistent time on the floor, we won't be in that close game because as stats seem to indicate, overall efficiency on Offense and Defense are greater. Don't let it become a game. Substitute as necessary, like we do when Selden gets 2-3 fouls, bringing in our least efficient players only as extreme backstop/extreme match-up players.

@drgnslayr No one was ever scouting me for organized college ball...and that goes for the other rec teams...but I hustled, smiled and talked trash!

@wrwlumpy I can touch the net.

Play Mickelson more...if he is able to get comfortable and quit feeling he needs to make world saving moves that lead to fouls, he stabilizes by not needing a world saving move in his limited playing time. Heck, sit him if he gets in to Foul trouble, just like was done with Selden when he does. That opens up opportunities on the back end for depth.

Continue to get the Bragg and Diallo time as they grow. Use substitutions to coach on the bench and send them back in for their allottment as the light in their eyes grows.

Spot minutes for Traylor/Lucas. They are a safety blanket and a wet one at that despite what your eyes tell you. Lucas is at .38 Rb/min versus Hunters .3/min. Over 10-11 minutes of playing time, that gets Lucas one more rebound than Hunter. In that 10 minute of playing time, Hunter will on average blow out the rest of the stat lines which includes Blocks, (.13 HM v .01 LL / .06 JT), Steals nearly twice the rate for Hunter than LL and JT, fewer turnovers again half the rate as LL/JT).

Hunter is the most efficient of our bigs (EFF .71/min v CD - .65, LL - .63, CB- .56 and our worst overall efficient player in the C5 JT-.48 -not quite twice as bad as HM but nearing).

Rotation:

at the 5: Start - Mickelson / Sub - Diallo
at the 4: Start - Perry / Sub - Bragg

Little mix and match at will with back stop of LL at the 5/ JT at the 4.

And welcome back @HighEliteMajor...hope all in the family are doing well now.

@wrwlumpy Lumpy, is that you?

@DanR I was a bit player and was on my way out anyway. Never dug into the details.

@ralster which is why I think the benefit went away.

We probably have one of the most aggressive/powerful tax agencies in the world. If you look at expats who aren't planning to come back, many renounce their citizenship so IRS doesn't hassle their foreign banks and all their accounts.

@drgnslayr I'm no coach....I'm a Rec league player...years ago.

@Texas-Hawk-10

@Crimsonorblue22 The guy that died duck hunting in OK? Friends with one of my daughter's friend if that is him.

@Crimsonorblue22 Northwest Arkansas....just across the Mizery border. Probably partly why I want Hunter to do so well. Have listened to all the Razorback fans here bad-mouth him from when he was at UoA. Told them Self would make him a star...still hoping just to poke them in the eye down here.

@Crimsonorblue22 I worked for the athletic department for 5-6 years and was a student from 82-86 (didn't go to many games in that time period though I recall a Sunday game against Notre Dame my Sr. year which of course, was the year that we should have won it all). Had a pass to all athletic events while I was working there ('90-'95) except maybe the last part of it when the IRS said it needed to be taxed as a benefit.

So, went to quite a few games. Lived about 3 or 4 blocks from campus so what I often did is watch the first half on TV and then walk to AFH as time ran out in the half and got a "seat" standing behind one of the goals for the 2nd half. Was often in the ESPN crowd shots as they came back to the game in the 2nd half!

I got to travel with the team to the inaugural Wooden Classic in Pasadena "The Pond". Ate with Bob and Max at the post game dinner! Sat next to Matt Doherty's wife at the game who is/was a model! Lots of good memories... I worked with many of the players while I was there in early 90's. Greg O, lifted my ~2 year old son up to a basket in the Field House to "dunk" the basketball. Because I was pretty much poor at the time, Calvin Rayford gave me a pair of his b-ball shoes...the 5'6" dude had the same size feet as me at about 5' 11"! @jaybate-1.0 could probably remind me if those were Nike's or Adidas...I don't recall now, but it was during the William's era.

We come up every year or so and go to a game still, usually the December games. Brought a buddy from MI up to see MI lose to us several years back. Was at the UCLA game with my wife where we were down something like 15 at half and came back in the 2nd half to beat them by 15 (?)!

So been to some good and exciting games over the years. Lived in Lawrence for 20+ years including school time.

@drgnslayr I will almost try anything once. My wife is from Malaysia and I worked with folks all over the world at one time or another. So I'll eat about anything. Once.

If it's good, I'll eat it again. Heck, I even try liver every so often when people say, "if you prepare it like x, it's great". Never found a way of preparation that makes it palatable! But i can eat okra now in smaller quantities. So, experimentation goes on.

@drgnslayr My wife asked, "what have you been doing?" Me: "Just messing around." I've been sucked in, too much on this site! Waiting for Godot, I mean @HighEliteMajor.

@Crimsonorblue22 true. He's had some bad fouls, but almost like the young guys, I think he just needs some more playing time so he's not trying so hard. He's either not gotten much of a chance last couple of years, or had a relatively quick hook other than the 2nd half against (I can't recall which team after nearly a bottle of Champagne mixed into a coctail with St Germaine and Contreau).

@drgnslayr @Crimsonorblue22 @globaljaybird I've eaten sea slugs...cause that is really what they are. I've eaten Durian which the Food Channel guy that eats all kinda strange stuff couldn't stomach (and I actually can stand that, though "like" might be a too strong of a word). But really, why would you eat brains, chitlins and some animal's male gonads unless you just had to, to survive? At that point, it's just a matter of cultural traditions.

@Crimsonorblue22 @globaljaybird but interesting!

@Jyhwk_InTigrtwn They are putting up Perry like numbers as Freshmen on the offensive stats side. That said, they bring enough rawness that keeps them from significant minutes. However, Bragg is out-minuting Hunter M. on the season.

@Jyhwk_InTigrtwn Sad but true.

@Crimsonorblue22 said:

@ralster make our ft's!

Yeah, our 87.5% FT% from last night would work from here on out!

Except for last night, Wayne was off for much of the game and Perry was tooling along his way to a double double, right?

Otherwise, I'd say Wayne is often a spark. Perry just goes about his business so quietly that you often don't notice he's in double figures already. Like the bass player in a band, don't much notice him until somethings off.

@brooksmd My only question is if Mickelson was given like minutes, would we see his offensive categories come up with the upside of his overall performance reflected in the wide range of stats.

@globaljaybird Definition of "delicacy": something normal people, in normal circumstances would never eat.

That said, I like to try all types of things. Some I just have come to the conclusion that is summarized in one question: "Why?"

@bskeet wow. looks great.

@pa_grape love tandori chicken...

@jaybate-1.0 You are always filled with surprises...

@wissoxfan83 limited activity on twitter...not sure what's going on there.

@nuleafjhawk said:

No pressure.....

yeah, on a positive note; West Virginia University isn't in Texas.

Looking at a couple of the Offensive stats in production without reference to subsets.

Of the big men, Cheick edges Perry out shooting categories on a % basis, but obviously overall utilization nullifies impact in what we've seen so far. But in Pts/min:

Cheick as noted leads team .57 [low utilization]

Perry .56

Seldon .55

Greene .53

Svi (.48 ) Mason & Bragg (.41) follow

If you look at FGM/min though (after Cheick again), the order is Perry & Selden (.20), Bragg (.19), Svi (.17), Vick (.15), Lucas & Mason & Greene (.14); The reason Greene is top 3* in Pts/min is he gets to the FT line much more often than anyone else besides Traylor on a per minute basis (.788 FTA/FGA). Traylor is really team high (at .880 FTA/FGA) while his Pts/min is a team low .23 on low attempts and makes while his decent FT% gives him some lift.

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My overall take: Perry doesn't necessarily dominate stats, he is at or near the top in key Offensive categories with a high utilization rate. Bragg and Diallo show similar types of activeness and effectiveness with more down sides at this point in their development.

Stats aren't normally my thing, but I've been inspired by some on the site to look at things more closely, so there are a few that I'm not sure about. But here it goes for discussion or commentary.

All stats are from www.TeamRanking.com. I've cut it down to the C5 and tried to remove duplicate stats in various categories. I've color coded based on the following:

Generally: Green/Yellow are good. Red/Pink bad. Players are listed in the order of Avg Min/Game playing time.

Green highlighted means this was a team high category for the player (from among all players). Yellow highlighted was best within the C5 subset of players. Green number is best of the 5 within a negative category (ex. TO, PF)

Red Highlighted - Team High (all players) bad. Pink highlighting worst among the C5 subset in a negative category; red numbers is worst among the C5 subset.

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Here is my best attempt at classifying mere counts of categories that each player has for Positive/Best & Negative/Worst with Team Hi categories called out in [brackets]:

Positives/Best (Per Min Stats):

JT - 3 categories (FT%, FTR%, TS%)

LL - 5 categories ( [Team Hi - RB/m, ORB/m, DRB/m], FG%, eFG%)

CB - 6 categories (Asst(T), 3PM/3PA/3P%, Steals/PF, PF/m

HM - 11 categories ( [Team Hi - Blk/m, Blk/PF, EFF, WIN] Ast/m (T), Ast/TO, Stl/PF, TO/m, GmSc, Blk/PF, DEF/PF)

CD - 5 categories ( [Team Hi - Pts/m, FGM/m, FGA/m], FTM/m, FTA/m)

Negatives/Worst (Per Min Stats):

JT - 6 categories (Pt/m, RB/m (t), FGM, FGA, EFF, GmScr)

LL- 3 categories (Blk/m, Blk/PF, DEF/PF)

CB- 6 categories (RB/m (T), FTM/m, FTA/m, FT%, FTA%, DRB/m)

HM- 3 categories (FG%, eFG%, TS%)

CD - 8 categories ([Team Hi - PF/m] Asst/m, Stl/m, TO/m, AS/TO, WIN, Stl/PF, ORB/m)

Keep in mind order of player stats is in allotted average min/game. Realize stats don't tell the whole story, which a major point was made after TTU game about the efficacy of a screen for example. But realize also, that within the constrained resource pool (minutes), the concept of opportunity cost should be considered.

I'll admit that I know very little about the WIN, TS%, and GmSc stats, but find that these composite stat roll ups, along with EFF are pretty much in the Hunter Mickelson positive section with a couple of those being TEAM HIGH numbers. Find it interesting that he dominates the Positives and is tied for team low in Negatives.

As far as Diallo, guess it's not surprising about his playing time, he's come into games in limited minutes and taken his shot and not gotten others into the game (until more recently at least) even though he has hit at a decent rate/min. However, he doesn't lead in either True Shooting % or eFG% and his overall negative categories lead the C5 pack not to mention big contributor at PF/minute that brings him to the bench as much as probably anything.

Bragg, 3 of his Positive categories are related to shooting and hitting a few 3 pointers. At this point in the career and on this team, probably not where we need help.

As has been point of contention among the board members: Jamari trailer has the fewest statistical Positive categories and is tied at 2nd worst in Negative category stats count. He gets the most minutes / game. Therein lies the controversy amongst us clearly!

That's it for my analysis for now. I think we all agree to an extent that having the number of relatively talented bodies in the C5 isn't a bad thing and could be good at times. Playing time allocation for both short and long term goals can be hotly argued and has been!