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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in KU's football game with Boston College could be in jeopardy after ACC's new scheduling provisions for 2020:
Are KU officials discussing moving the game to Boston in exchange for financial compensation or just looking to replace the game?
Realistically, I can't see the Big 12 playing non-conference games this year and will probably just go with a 9 game season. With the other four P5 conferences at the stage of having conference only games now, there's no way the Big 12 doesn't follow suit. I could see the Big 12 doing something similar to what the ACC did with Notre Dame by adding BYU for a year to get to a 10 game schedule. Obviously this would be a little bit more complicated to pull off since BYU isn't an affiliate B12 member the way ND is with the ACC.
Guessing BC goes with UMass as their plus one. Sans fans, itās a lot cheaper than paying KU to travel.
@BShark said in K.J. Adams:
@FarmerJayhawk I remember those stats you listed as well. They used to be up on the AAU site.
Yeah, I think UA basically shut down its grassroots operation because of covid. No reason to keep the site up if there aren't any games. Wish I would've saved them. Oklahoma never published his senior stats either so can't find those.
@BShark said in K.J. Adams:
Yeah Bryce got a LOT better the last year or so.
UAA's Twitter says he won the scoring title in that circuit last summer so that's pretty neat
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in K.J. Adams:
@FarmerJayhawk I'm not seeing where he averaged 24 PPG on Oklahoma PWP's site for last year, I'm seeing Bryce at 16 PPG.
Those are the spring session stats from 18; the game log stops at 7/13/18. Missing an entire year of AAU competition. The UAA's site is down so I can't get to the 2019 stats.
Miz and Arkansas are no longer options. AD tried both, SEC said nope.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in K.J. Adams:
@jayhawks2010 said in K.J. Adams:
Texas hawk 10 your so wrong on Thompson. The guys going to be a stud heās already taller then he was in High school and heās a sharp shooter. Heās a first round pick easy! Obviously we need some top 30 talent to be a great team but a foundation of that 2008 title team had a lot of solid top 100 guys (Kaun, Robinson, Jackson). Garret has been a great player and he wasnāt a top 20 player. Even trob wasnāt top 15. Last final four team didnāt have a nba first rounder and was great. Yeah NCAA vilolations and unchecked Nike recruitment of guys to duke and Uk Is hurting ku but Virginia, Villanova all won titles with 3-4 year guys. And by the way kJ is exactly like the Villanova big guys that destroyed ku in the final four. 6ā7 shooting big guys with muscle so they donāt get pushed around.
Please point to statistical evidence that Bryce Thompson is a sharpshooter and not what a scout says based on his shooting form.
"Thompson is one of the better perimeter scorers in the 2020 class. He averaged 24.4 points and shot 45.8 percent from 3-point range for the Oklahoma Run PWP grassroots program on the UA Association circuit last spring and summer.
"Thompson is one of the most improved players in the senior class," ESPN national recruiting director Paul Biancardi said. "He has a tremendous knack in scoring the ball. His ability to make open shots and contested shots is impressive. His passing skills are better than most know about. He's a high-end, go-to recruit for Kansas."
Kid can really stroke it from deep.
Yeah, BC isn't happening. I've heard BYU, Miz (ew), and Arkansas are options.
@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
@FarmerJayhawk reasonable comp. Actually extremely similar size too. Do you know where he is on the priority list? Self seems more grounded lately but wondering if the staff thinks they have a shot at Reid, Kepnang, Etienne etc..
Theyād take any of those guys before Curry. It doesnāt make a lot of sense to take Curry as your only center type guy because heās only a year behind Dave. I do think it makes some sense to take Curry and a freshman as an insurance policy against Dave going pro (donāt think thatās going to happen) or a transfer.
@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Recruiting:
@jayballer73 said in 2021 Recruiting:
@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
New JUCO offer out
Sooo didn't see position played - - is he worth anything ?
Heās a 5. 6ā8 265, pure low post/rebounder type. Doke-esque touch from the line. https://www.loganvols.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/bios/curry_sydney_t8do ā
Been watching highlights. I think he might be the best realistic option we have at the 5. Yeah he's undersized but he is THICK and dunks frequently and violently. I think he would be a great back-up 5 for Dave next year.
I was thinking Joey Dorsey as a comp. Starting 5 for Memphis when we beat them in 08. Not the shot blocker Dorsey was, but a really good rebounder and effort guy.
Good news is Adams is ultra productive. 23 and 9 for his HS team last year as a junior. Plenty of time to work on the jumper and his body. Ideally could be a nice small ball 4 man.
KSHSAA voted to go on with sports as scheduled. Local units get to decide on crowds and all that. It's probably fine. If two schools from districts with no active cases play each other it's probably as minimal risk as you can have. A blanket policy for the entire state doesn't make much sense given most schools are in very small districts in rural areas with few, if any, active cases.
@Marco said in 2021 Recruiting:
@FarmerJayhawk Thank you for that. If we add him with Clemence, and sign Bates and a PG, I'm good.
Any time. Thatās kind of where Iām at as well. Without guaranteed PT or ability to put on official visits (where KU is the best in the biz) itās going to be tough to reach into the top 25 to get guys.
@jayballer73 said in 2021 Recruiting:
@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
New JUCO offer out
Sooo didn't see position played - - is he worth anything ?
Heās a 5. 6ā8 265, pure low post/rebounder type. Doke-esque touch from the line. https://www.loganvols.com/sports/mbkb/2019-20/bios/curry_sydney_t8do ā
Hereās what I pulled from Rivals, ā No matter how you try to defend Adams, he is a hard object to move. When Adams gets the opportunity to get settled on the block and take on anyone when he has the ball in his hands, it usually results in points. Also, Adams gets out into the running lanes in transition, and he attacks hard and runs hard to get all the momentum possible on his way to the basket. Whether it's rebounding or scoring, everything he does at the rim is with force. Adams shows an in-your-face overall game and don't allow him to get the ball from a shooting stance because he will size up the basket and sink the mid-range jumper. His range does extend out to the arc, but you want him where he can get to ball off a missed shot.
With his bulk, athleticism, and strength, Adams has versatility to his game and he is a tough match-up at the high school level.ā
@approxinfinity said in The "crap on Trump" thread:
@FarmerJayhawk sure there is.
Not to mention consistent modeling for his more confused devotees.
A mask just wonāt help unless Trump himself actually has it. And since heās tested at least once per day, the odds of that many consecutive false negatives would be pretty low. Presymptomatic spread is also pretty rare since viral loads are low at that point.
@approxinfinity said in The "crap on Trump" thread:
Waiting for the Nationals opening day game at 7 on ESPN. Why is this no mask wearing piece of shit on the television? Petty B couldn't stand that the Nats invited Fauci to throw out first pitch.
White House personnel and guests get tested upon entry so thereās no reason to wear one on WH grounds if you test negative.
@benshawks08 said in Let's Cancel Cancel "Cancel Culture"!:
The question then is do conservative students actually get lower grades based on their beliefs. That would be a major problem. One Iām very cognizant of as a teacher. I work hard in my classroom to make sure every voice can be heard and respected (unless that voice is continually disrespectful of others). As a teacher all I can do though is create an environment of openness. I do all I can to make sure my students donāt know my opinions on most matters because I donāt want them adopting my positions rather than figuring it out for themselves. Just about every educator Iāve ever met works to do the same, minus a few ultra conservatives believe it or not But I think that is more about this cult of Trump than real conservative thought.
I remember being taught abortion was evil and killing babies in school and being afraid to speak up because it seemed like everyone agreed. And while I now think that was wholly inappropriate in a public education setting, and I self censored, looking back I still feel I had the opportunity to speak up and didnāt. Thatās the real crux of free speech to me. Not what is actually said or not. But what opportunity is there. That KSU student was free to say all the racist things he wanted and was rightly not removed from school, but nobody has to like him or take his views on race seriously. Getting a large backlash on Twitter and maybe losing some friends and clubs or whatnot is the consequence for that action.
People donāt have to like each other and if you need to be liked to feel comfortable in your job, welp, better censor yourself on the ideas you know people wonāt like you for. Free speech isnāt, say whatever you want and you are free from criticism. Itās really the opposite. Say whatever you want but be ready for the criticism.
It maybe Iām like you @FarmerJayhawk and just pretty much think and say what I want. Some of that I do think comes from being in a position of power as a Straight white male (Sorry HEM) all of my life and knowing what I say or do only reflects on myself and not everyone else of my gender, sexuality or race.
I try to do the same, probably to the frustration of many who want their views affirmed rather than challenged. I had a few professors back in the day who openly mocked conservative views and I found it very unprofessional and not conducive to learning. Anyone who considers themselves of that persuasion would feel alienated and less likely to speak up and learn from that professor. I just really don't like speech chilling environments.
@justanotherfan I would define it differently. To me, it's the use of disproportionate sanction in relation to speech someone disagrees with. For example, trying to get someone fired for donating to a political candidate they don't like.
@mayjay as someone of VERY German ancestry (my great grandpa was named Adolph after all) I'm fully aware of the anti-German bigotry that went on back then. They even had to change their last name to avoid some of the worst discrimination. But to my point, that's precisely the issue here. There's creeping illiberalism on the left and right and I think it's dangerous. Back then, at least there wasn't social media and the internet that made it much, much easier to track someone (and possibly their employer) down and demand their metaphorical head on a pike. Bringing up past instances of bad behavior doesn't excuse bad behavior now. I don't want to mimic the police that turned firehoses on black protestors just because of their willingness to speak out. I also don't want a culture where it's socially acceptable for the paper of record to foster a work environment hostile to anyone who doesn't toe an ideological line or get a guy fired for making an ok sign or tweeting a rather benign study. It's not about left vs. right, it's about liberal vs. illiberal.
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@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Transfer List:
@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPilgrimKSR/status/1285648490459213828 ā
KU doesn't want to have to take this dude, but would be a good add if they do.
Interesting word choice. Can you elaborate? Poor attitude?
It would take someone leaving to make room, and theyāre happy with who they have. Like I wouldnāt trade Enaruna for him.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2021 Recruiting:
@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
Agbaji is a more or less a replacement level player at KU, maybe slightly below even but he has traits that Self values a bit too highly at times.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2021 Recruiting:
Doesn't mean he should be though. He's a solid defender, but that's about his only positive attribute on the floor which is why Self plays him. That said, Agbaji's defense isn't good enough to negate how bad he is on the floor unlike Garrett who, even as a worse shooter than Agbaji, is a much better offensive player than Agbaji because Garrett can dribble, pass, and drive to the basket and be a force on offense. Agbaji only plays the minutes he does because Self doesn't have a better option at this point. I will also say that I think Agbaji's defense only seems as good as it does because he's spent a lot of his time on the floor at the 4 spot so he's mostly guarded slower players.
I'm gonna call it now and say that after Agbaji leaves KU, he's gonna be debated about in the same category as Jamari Traylor who actually had a better career PER than Agbaji does now and was actuallyuch better PER in Big 12 games.
With the plethora of 4's KU has next year, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Agbaji have a big reduction in minutes this upcoming season. I'll say it now that KU's best line up next season is going to be Garrett, Thompson, Braun, Lightfoot, McCormack.
I agree with some of this but I can't even envision KU's best line-up next year involving Mitch Lightfoot. If we are going to bring up stats with Agbaji, which I think is fair then you have to look at Mitch's stats too. Career negative OBPM, average PER (factoring in he mostly played as a big, it's more or less on par with Agbaji because PER favors bigs) etc... I will believe he is a real threat from three when he takes and makes a real number per game. Where he does well is defensively, which is where I think next year has a lot of potential in general.
So I think Agbaji should see a minutes reduction, but I don't think Mitch should be playing more than 15 in any given game. If Mitch does prove to be a much improved player then he should and will get big minutes.
I have heard that Self is absolutely enamored with TGF, fwiw. @FarmerJayhawk Have you heard similar?
Self has gotten enamoured with plenty players before that didn't live up to his own hype. I've always been very skeptical of JuCo's because it's very common for JuCo player's to get overhyped and then come in and struggle. Rewatching TGF's JuCo tape, he's got some significant holes in his game that have me doubting how effective he'll be right away.
@FarmerJayhawk sorry, but Ochai really should not be starting or playing crunch time minutes for KU because he is a net negative for KU in end game scenarios and is someone that you can leave unguarded on offense with minimal risk of getting burned.
I absolutely think he'll have an adjustment period. In TGF's case it's not just Self either. NBA guys are really high on him as well.
He did make some boneheaded plays down the stretch last year, but also got put in some bad spots (Dotson wasn't a great passer and sometimes got tunnel vision). I expect his feel and basketball IQ to improve this year. He's still newish to the game and should make some progress. But could also see Braun in that role, especially if he keeps shooting 40+% from 3. Bill still loves Ochai's defense, and will play a lot. You may disagree, which is fine, but that's the way Self will play it.
@benshawks08 said in Let's Cancel "Cancel Culture"!:
Ok I have some honest questions.
How is self censorship anyoneās problem but the person doing the censoring? Are conservatives in the study above self censoring because they are afraid they will be punished by the state vs being perceived differently by their peers?
Wouldnāt a free market punish those with bad ideas leading them to either self censor or change their beliefs?
If the person self-censors as a result of bullying or fear of reprisal, it's a cultural issue. In the above study, almost half of conservatives feared they'd receive a lower grade if they expressed conservative opinions. And since UNC professors are state actors, there's a certain element of state action,. 90% were concerned their peers would have a lower opinion of them if they expressed conservative opinions. So there's immense cultural pressure to not speak out. It takes a certain level of disagreeableness to express a minority opinion when 80% of your peers disagree with you (we know that to be the case since we poll test our intro policy students each semester).
New survey out today ā found almost half of liberals would support firing a business executive if she privately donated to Trump's campaign. I don't have any problem with a boycott (even though I think they're dumb and ineffective) but calling for someone's job for a private action is over the line. In the inverse case, conservatives on Biden's campaign, less than 1/3 believe someone should be fired for donating to Biden. Ideally those numbers would all be zero, but alas, the culture of illiberalism is real.
Adding a bit to the culture conversation, as conservatives gain more education, they become more worried their politics could harm them at work. My theory is most public institutions tend to attract a lot more liberals than conservatives. For example, my department at UNC has zero Republicans. Zero. There are some unaffiliated folks who are fairly moderate, but there's nobody firmly on the right other than yours truly. I don't feel censored or anything, but it can certainly be socially awkward to make a right of center point in those discussions. I don't really care that much because I'm highly disagreeable and always march to the beat of my own drum, but for someone else I'm sure it would be unbelievably difficult to speak their mind in that kind of situation.
A free market, assuming no state protection for speech, would result in preference falsification. People would toe the popular line since there would be real consequences for not doing so. It likely wouldn't change the underlying beliefs of those individuals.
All this to say cancel culture isn't about people being above criticism. I think constructive criticism and conversation are good things! But the increasing support for sanctions like going after someone's livelihood or deplatforming just for differences of opinion is extremely unhealthy for a vibrant democracy. I look at it a lot like open carry. Sure, you have a right to open carry and call for someone's job, but in both cases you look pretty stupid and insecure.
@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
Agbaji is a more or less a replacement level player at KU, maybe slightly below even but he has traits that Self values a bit too highly at times.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2021 Recruiting:
Doesn't mean he should be though. He's a solid defender, but that's about his only positive attribute on the floor which is why Self plays him. That said, Agbaji's defense isn't good enough to negate how bad he is on the floor unlike Garrett who, even as a worse shooter than Agbaji, is a much better offensive player than Agbaji because Garrett can dribble, pass, and drive to the basket and be a force on offense. Agbaji only plays the minutes he does because Self doesn't have a better option at this point. I will also say that I think Agbaji's defense only seems as good as it does because he's spent a lot of his time on the floor at the 4 spot so he's mostly guarded slower players.
I'm gonna call it now and say that after Agbaji leaves KU, he's gonna be debated about in the same category as Jamari Traylor who actually had a better career PER than Agbaji does now and was actuallyuch better PER in Big 12 games.
With the plethora of 4's KU has next year, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Agbaji have a big reduction in minutes this upcoming season. I'll say it now that KU's best line up next season is going to be Garrett, Thompson, Braun, Lightfoot, McCormack.
I agree with some of this but I can't even envision KU's best line-up next year involving Mitch Lightfoot. If we are going to bring up stats with Agbaji, which I think is fair then you have to look at Mitch's stats too. Career negative OBPM, average PER (factoring in he mostly played as a big, it's more or less on par with Agbaji because PER favors bigs) etc... I will believe he is a real threat from three when he takes and makes a real number per game. Where he does well is defensively, which is where I think next year has a lot of potential in general.
So I think Agbaji should see a minutes reduction, but I don't think Mitch should be playing more than 15 in any given game. If Mitch does prove to be a much improved player then he should and will get big minutes.
I have heard that Self is absolutely enamored with TGF, fwiw. @FarmerJayhawk Have you heard similar?
Yeah, I'd say that's right. I could easily see Garrett, Thompson, Ochai, TGF, McCormack as the starting lineup by the end of the year. He's got some Josh Jackson to him. Braun could play the 2 or 3 and Harris the point.
@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPilgrimKSR/status/1285648490459213828 ā
KU doesn't want to have to take this dude, but would be a good add if they do.
I certainly agree the culture around speech has changed over the last few years, and definitely for the worse. UNC did a survey last year and found a pretty depressing culture of illiberalism. For example, conservatives were more than twice as likely to self-censor in class as their liberal classmates. Only 1.5% of liberals routinely (>10 times) self-censored in class, while 17% of conservatives did. Conservatives were 16 times (!) more likely to be concerned their peers would have a lower opinion of them if they knew their politics. And that fear seems to be well-grounded in reality. 69% of liberal students perceived conservative peers as racist and sexist (only 30% of conservatives felt that way about liberal students). 22% of of liberal students felt UNC would be better off without conservative students entirely, which seems bonkers to me if we think universities are places of open debate and conversation. 19% of liberal students felt it was appropriate to create an obstruction so a campus speaker couldn't express their views or block students from entering an event to hear controversial ideas (3% and 1% for conservative students, respectively.)
Not to just dump on liberal students, conservatives have their own free speech issues as well. It seems like there's an illiberal instinct taking over on the "woke left" and nationalist right that is seeking to upturn the liberal democratic order we've been under since, like, forever. I firmly believe sunlight is the best disinfectant, and shouting down/canceling people is a very, very bad way to debate ideas. It's true Bari and Andrew weren't canceled in the pure sense, but Bari was definitely subject to a hostile workplace environment for the horrific crime of doing the exact job the Times hired her to do (and she's a Jewish lesbian to boot, but alas). I've become increasingly convinced over the last year or so that the real divide isn't progressive vs. conservative or Democratic vs. Republican, but liberal vs. illiberal. I have many progressive friends who I have deep disagreements with on issues of public policy, but we can have those conversations because we believe in the foundational liberal values of free speech and open debate. The far left with "speech is violence" and the far right with "free press is the enemy of the people" are similar threats to these values and ought to be excised from the culture so we don't have a poor guy getting fired for innocently making an "ok" sign or a researcher getting fired for retweeting a paper that said nonviolent protest was more effective than rioting. If the Times wants to go down this road, they should just drop the moniker "All the news that's fit to print" because I'm not sure they believe it anymore. If New York Magazine wants to be a lefty outlet, that's fine too. Just don't say both you're a nonpartisan outlet and then say they have to be careful about how they write about certain topics (meaning, publishing Andrew Sullivan, hardly a right winger).
All this to say I'm tired of this and people need to become adults.
Fully 1% of the city of Logan has now died of Covid after an outbreak at a nursing home. Just horrific.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in 2021 Recruiting:
@BShark a good weird feeling?
My feeling is Bates has cooled on KU some. Doesnāt mean we canāt get him, but itās not the lock it was before IMG.
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in 2021 Recruiting:
And Christian Braun.
Good call. Theoretically we could still roll with Harris, Thompson, Agbaji, Enaruna, McCormack with Braun, Hickman, Bates, Wilson, and Clemence as backups. Gethro and Jossell could still be around too. Add one more big to that mix and thereās your 13.
I think theyāll be ok on the wing. Still will have TGF, Enaruna, and Thompson capable of playing that spot. If it were me, Iād go full bore on guards: Sallis, Hickman, and Bates. Sallis is rumored to be a legit 6ā5 now, so he and Bryce could both play multiple spots, where Hickman and Harris are true PGās.
Well that came from nowhere. Scott must be up to his old way$.
@benshawks08 said in How white Democrats poll on "Big Ideas" to fix racial divide:
@FarmerJayhawk āthe marketā is not some inanimate force. It is run by people. If people acted rationally that would be one thing. I think our current situation certainly would demonstrate the potential of human beings to act irrationally. In this country the market was established in concert with a government that valued some human beings at 3/5 of that of others. You canāt just say Iām conflating capitalism in this country with capitalism in general because thatās the whole point. You can pretend that there is some word where government and economics donāt intertwine and that in that world āthe marketā is unbiased but that is definitely not this world for all the reasons YOU provided and more. Kendiās point is that racist policies have to be uncovered and changed otherwise racism will persist. Again, even though you post the whole quote it seems like you fail to take in the entirety of the message and instead prefer to object to a portion of the argument without acknowledging the argument as a whole.
It certainly has characteristics of an inanimate force, as Adam Smith described as "the invisible hand" and Hayek described as "spontaneous order." Nothing came from on high, just people engaging in mutually beneficial transactions. You're literally making my point. Government decided the 3/5 compromise. Government did these things, not the market. The market had no say in it, and doesn't make sense from a market perspective since markets function much better with more producers and consumers. We know from the economics literature that in thick markets (many buyers and sellers of similar goods), discrimination doesn't happen.
Capitalism as a system does not discriminate and is not racist, contrary to Kendi's belief. Does the market cause inequality? Sure. Because people have different skills and preferences. I'm thrilled Jeff Bezos is a gazillionaire because I love his product. I buy more beef than most people because it's what I like and can find it in abundance at a good price. Someone else likes chicken more. So that makes us both unequal and better off. Much better than waiting in a food line.
Government has a much worse record of discrimination than capitalism. Henry Ford was a raging anti-Semite but never refused to sell cars to Jews because money from Jews spends just as well as money from anyone else. And if a business owner wants to discriminate by not serving people because of an arbitrary characteristic, the market will punish her for it. If government wants to discriminate, it just will and there's not a lot of recourse we have. See the entire institution of slavery. Everyone agrees slaves' rights were being horrifically violated, but the state failed to do the one thing it absolutely has to do: protect people's rights.
I have many more issues with Kendi than just his language. His policy solutions are totalitarian garbage. "The anti-racist amendment would establish and permanently fund the Department of Anti-racism (DOA) comprised of formally trained experts on racism and no political appointees. The DOA would be responsible for preclearing all local, state and federal public policies to ensure they wonāt yield racial inequity, monitor those policies, investigate private racist policies when racial inequity surfaces, and monitor public officials for expressions of racist ideas. The DOA would be empowered with disciplinary tools to wield over and against policymakers and public officials who do not voluntarily change their racist policy and ideas." So I guess we're trusting unelected people (I suppose Kendi means people like himself) without policy training to decide what policies are racist and what aren't? Kendi himself considers a capital gains tax cut racist because benefits accrue unequally by race, since whites are more likely to own investments. Yet, the literature is clear in that capital gains tax cuts improve productivity, raise wages, and paradoxically increase revenue to the treasury. Want to rebuild a park using federal grant funding in a Latino neighborhood? Sorry, no can do. More benefits will accrue to Latinos than blacks. It would enshrine discrimination in the Constitution. I get he's actually pro-discrimination in that blacks should be treated better than whites to make up for past injuries. But a superlegislature with veto power over all policy and policymakers? That gives me the willies.
@benshawks08 said in How white Democrats poll on "Big Ideas" to fix racial divide:
@FarmerJayhawk said in How white Democrats poll on "Big Ideas" to fix racial divide:
@benshawks08 said in How white Democrats poll on "Big Ideas" to fix racial divide:
@FarmerJayhawk said in How white Democrats poll on "Big Ideas" to fix racial divide:
@kjayhawks said in How white Democrats poll on "Big Ideas" to fix racial divide:
@benshawks08 I just donāt like racism of any kind. itās racist to assume because of the color my skin I haven't had to work to get what little I have- signed a food stamp, no hot water, sometimes no water, no phone, no a/c, goodwill shopping if it wasnāt hand me down guy that spent plenty of his youth in the inner cities thatās white.
Bruh didnāt you read Robin DiAngelo? Thatās just your white fragility talking smh. Either agree youāre a racist or deny it in which case youāre both a racist and fragile.
Of course Iām being slightly facetious except for thatās the entire premise of the #3 best seller on the NYT nonfiction list. Oh, and donāt say youāre not a racist because that means youāre 100% a racist according to the author of the #2 nonfiction book on the Timesās best seller list.
With that level of infection of this mind virus itās no wonder we all end up talking past each other.
Currently on chapter 8 of Kendiās book and I just am not getting the same things out of it that you are. To me so far the point of the book is that no person is either racist or not racist. In the book so far I donāt think Kendi has labeled any person a Racist and your āfacetiousā post is a complete mischaracterization of the book and itās author. Maybe Iām in for a big twist at the end? But Iād be surprised if Kendi spends the entire first half of the book delving into the complexity of racism in its many forms in the US and even more globally just to arrive at the simplistic stance you attribute to him.
I mean he literally says capitalism is a racist system and being not racist is basically the same as being a racist, āThe claim of ānot racistā neutrality is a mask for racism.ā
And if you read that whole page, he says that in the greater context of how Donald Trump and white supremacists, like Richard Spencer claim to be "not racist" which they are doing to mask to mask their racism. And so for clarity, anti-racist is a better term for people who are against racism. He does this while acknowledging his own racist ideologies he has had to confront and continues to uncover.
As for the capitalism point, does capitalism in its current form in the United States lead to equitable outcomes when looking at large groups? Does the current system benefit people of different races the same? I'm genuinely curious to know what you think the answers to those questions are.
And if you just listen to what he says, he tells you what you need to know. "In the most simplest way, a not racist is a racist who is in denial, and an anti-racist is someone who is willing to admit the times in which they are being racist, and who is willing to recognize the inequities and the racial problems of our society, and who is willing to challenge those racial inequities by challenging policy. And so I'm saying this because literally slaveholders, slave traders, imagined that their ideas in our terms were not racist. They would say things like, "Black people are the cursed descendants of Ham, and they're cursed forever into enslavement." This isn't, "I'm not racist." This is, "God's law." They would say things, like, you know, "Based on science, based on ethnology, based on natural history, black people by nature are predisposed to slavery and servility. This is nature's law. I'm not racist. I'm actually doing what nature said I'm supposed to be doing." And so this construct of being not racist and denying one's racism goes all the way back to the origins of this country."
I'm not a racist. Full stop. Kendi can say what he wants about liberals like me who don't agree with his characterizations and call us racist, but he's just wrong.
It seems you're conflating capitalism as a system and capitalism as practiced here. I would argue most of the inequities are a result of government failure, not the failure of capitalism. In some jurisdictions, you have to complete more hours of training to be an African hair braider than an EMT. Is that a market failure? Of course not. Was redlining a market failure? By definition, no. Was de jure segregation a market failure? Were transfer payments that created disincentives to form nuclear families a market failure? Obviously not. Going back to my first point, the market doesn't discriminate, the majority of people in the country derive as much utility from discriminating based on race than the lost income from not treating everyone equally. There's just no rational basis for racism in the market. If the state had done its job and lived up to the liberal ideals we espouse, I can't promise perfect equality among the races (Asians probably would still whip our tails since we select immigrants based on merit in a lot of ways) but things would certainly be much, much better.
@benshawks08 said in How white Democrats poll on "Big Ideas" to fix racial divide:
@FarmerJayhawk said in How white Democrats poll on "Big Ideas" to fix racial divide:
@kjayhawks said in How white Democrats poll on "Big Ideas" to fix racial divide:
@benshawks08 I just donāt like racism of any kind. itās racist to assume because of the color my skin I haven't had to work to get what little I have- signed a food stamp, no hot water, sometimes no water, no phone, no a/c, goodwill shopping if it wasnāt hand me down guy that spent plenty of his youth in the inner cities thatās white.
Bruh didnāt you read Robin DiAngelo? Thatās just your white fragility talking smh. Either agree youāre a racist or deny it in which case youāre both a racist and fragile.
Of course Iām being slightly facetious except for thatās the entire premise of the #3 best seller on the NYT nonfiction list. Oh, and donāt say youāre not a racist because that means youāre 100% a racist according to the author of the #2 nonfiction book on the Timesās best seller list.
With that level of infection of this mind virus itās no wonder we all end up talking past each other.
Currently on chapter 8 of Kendiās book and I just am not getting the same things out of it that you are. To me so far the point of the book is that no person is either racist or not racist. In the book so far I donāt think Kendi has labeled any person a Racist and your āfacetiousā post is a complete mischaracterization of the book and itās author. Maybe Iām in for a big twist at the end? But Iād be surprised if Kendi spends the entire first half of the book delving into the complexity of racism in its many forms in the US and even more globally just to arrive at the simplistic stance you attribute to him.
I mean he literally says capitalism is a racist system and being not racist is basically the same as being a racist, āThe claim of ānot racistā neutrality is a mask for racism.ā
Just going to fly by and say no matter what itās called, it sucks big ones to watch KU there vs. AFH.
@kjayhawks said in How white Democrats poll on "Big Ideas" to fix racial divide:
@FarmerJayhawk haha maybe @benshawks08 triggered me a bit. My point is we are getting nowhere assuming all whites have money or are rednecks. The same way itās not getting us anywhere if you assume minorities are lazy and criminals. My family came from Ireland with nothing in the late 1880s.
Haha just messing around! But I get that. Mine were Germans who came over around the same time. My great great great grandpa is buried just a few miles from where I grew up in rural Smith Co. We had some hard times so it does irk me some when labeled as privileged. Seems a better approach is looking at individual circumstance.
@kjayhawks said in How white Democrats poll on "Big Ideas" to fix racial divide:
@benshawks08 I just donāt like racism of any kind. itās racist to assume because of the color my skin I haven't had to work to get what little I have- signed a food stamp, no hot water, sometimes no water, no phone, no a/c, goodwill shopping if it wasnāt hand me down guy that spent plenty of his youth in the inner cities thatās white.
Bruh didnāt you read Robin DiAngelo? Thatās just your white fragility talking smh. Either agree youāre a racist or deny it in which case youāre both a racist and fragile.
Of course Iām being slightly facetious except for thatās the entire premise of the #3 best seller on the NYT nonfiction list. Oh, and donāt say youāre not a racist because that means youāre 100% a racist according to the author of the #2 nonfiction book on the Timesās best seller list.
With that level of infection of this mind virus itās no wonder we all end up talking past each other.
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Well, Governor Kelly just had her news conference and said she is making a executive order that goes into effect Monday - - - Schools will be delayed in opening at least till after Labor day weekend. & then after that the Schools will have mandates in the order.
They will have to see after that. - - -The White house yesterday they said declared Kansas a RED Zone - -we had 875 new cases over the weekend and 11 deaths. - - Part of being a Red Zone is COVID-19 with a positive rate of over 10 % - -Dr Norman is very dissapointed about how people reacted when restrictions was lifted. - -Hey said they knew we would spike after the 4th of July weekend but NOT this high - -we are not having sports this fall watch. - - - -this effects K-12 hold on to your butts
Subject to SBoE approval. Will be interesting to see how they vote.
think she was ask about legislators being able to overturn and her reply was they would only be able to review and not over turn. Think this stems from the 1st time , they overturned her decision and she went through court to uphold her decision- -I'm not real clear on that though I know this though if we are being declared a Red Zone - -thats not good
The legislature can repeal her authority to do this in its entirety if they really want to. Under current law, the Board of Education has the power to overturn the order.
This is worth a watch in its entirety. Possibly some of the smartest black thinkers we have. I believe all but maybe Kmele considers themselves left of center liberals. I met Thomas at a talk last year at UNC and he's very smart and engaging. Great bio too.
@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Well, Governor Kelly just had her news conference and said she is making a executive order that goes into effect Monday - - - Schools will be delayed in opening at least till after Labor day weekend. & then after that the Schools will have mandates in the order.
They will have to see after that. - - -The White house yesterday they said declared Kansas a RED Zone - -we had 875 new cases over the weekend and 11 deaths. - - Part of being a Red Zone is COVID-19 with a positive rate of over 10 % - -Dr Norman is very dissapointed about how people reacted when restrictions was lifted. - -Hey said they knew we would spike after the 4th of July weekend but NOT this high - -we are not having sports this fall watch. - - - -this effects K-12 hold on to your butts
Subject to SBoE approval. Will be interesting to see how they vote.
@BShark said in 2021 Recruiting:
@FarmerJayhawk sounds like Caleb Love part two.
Very well could be. If we get Hickman and possibly Bates it's fine. Think we only have to replace Garrett in the backcourt anyhow. At least that's the hope given the strong likelihood of a partial season.
Bossi thinks UNC, KU in that order for Sallis. Jives with what I've heard as well https://basketballrecruiting.n.rivals.com/news/ranking-the-contenders-hunter-sallis ā
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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk Based on my personal experience, I straight up disagree with an alternating day schedule being the best option for the reasons I mentioned.
And that's fine, I appreciate the dialog. So as a teacher, what do you suggest? Honestly curious because all I keep coming up with is shit, shittier, and shittiest depending on the day.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 Iām not sure what to think as a parent. My son needs the structure badly with his autism and we all continue to work. It would be impossible for his daycare to have dozens of computers and try to online stuff much. He hates doing it to boot. I keep hearing about having every other day between grades. Iām lucky because our district may have 500 kids in it from pre-K to 12th grade total. Not sure what the right answer is but it has negatively effected him and he is losing progress because of this. The first 6-8 years are huge for autism kids and what he is losing at this point, he may never recover from. Small children wonāt wear mask or social distance, youād have better luck training a monkey to mow your yard. That being said it needs to be safe. It is a lose lose for us at this point.
Iāve been following this for quite awhile now, in part as a education scholar and in part as an interested instructor. I think weāre down to the least bad option. Iāve come down to we basically have to run schools basically as I went to kindergarten; alternating MWF/TU weeks. Basically have to quarantine teachers during the year. I hate it with almost every fiber of my being but I canāt find a better option. Entirely open to suggestions.
Alternating days doesn't work either because those plans that have been proposed still call for teachers on campus every day so teachers can't help kids on their days off campus. You also run into issues of childcare for younger kids in single parent households or where both parents have to work outside the home.
One district here in Houston has already announced they're going to be online only this year, but I'm fully preparing to have about 9 months of no social life or be able to see my mom who's in her early 70's because exposure is going to happen and districts here have pretty much said unless you're showing symptoms, show up and if catch Covid, tough luck because you aren't getting any extra sick days if you need them.
This school year is going to be an absolute š©show this year because there is no good option. They are all š© plans with significant issues that can't realistically be solved.
I think it could work. I didn't even have full time kindergarten in Kansas. Half the grade went MWF one week, TU the next. If you incorporated the online element, you could conceivably pull it off so long as you give folks some runway to plan. I don't like it, but I think both the full bore everyone in person or nobody in person are unacceptable. It keeps buses less full, and classrooms more spaced out so you mitigate risk to the most people while still getting some in person instruction.
It's still a š© plan because you're now asking teachers to do two jobs. If students go alternating days to reduce class sizes, who helps students with questions about their assignments when those kids are off campus? Is it the teacher of record who would presumably be in a classroom teaching the other half of students supposed to take even more of their own time to answer those questions? How do special education students receive their services online? How does a kid who can't afford the technology to work from home acquire that technology when the school district doesn't have enough devices to have a 1:1 ratio? What do you do for the kid that's too young to stay home alone, but doesn't have a parent or guardian that can accommodate their schedule or afford child care?
Alternating days is not a viable solution for this issue because what's going to happen with that plan is an insane amount of burnout among teachers from being overworked which will lead to much more reduced level of education than either of the other two options.
Again, we've done this before, so I'm not inventing things from whole cloth here. I never even said it was good, just the best of a lot of bad options. What you're going to have to do is spend some time each day addressing questions about the material that come up for students who don't have access to that technology. At least this way they'll have an opportunity to get those questions answered, unlike an online only plan. And at least parents will have part time child care and not have to exit the labor force altogether and maybe come up with a device and reliable internet connection.
Based on the evidence around virtual charters, we can't go all virtual because the loss of learning will absolutely be catastrophic, and those schools are build from the ground up to teach virtually! And students need the school environment to be around peers and develop non-cognitive skills. We can't just pretend you can pause the clock for 15 months. Plus, it will really exacerbate already existing inequities in the system. So what do we do? Have to mitigate risk as best we can and balance health and education. If it requires the feds to provide additional resources, so be it. Whether that's additional technology, PPE (NC is distributing masks and other things to all their schools), or whatever.
@benshawks08 said in The "crap on Trump" thread:
This could challenge (and likely upset) some of our libertarian posters.
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The link in the tweet is a long read but definitely thought provoking.
Cool, guess we ought to copy China by checks notes locking up problematic minorities, deporting all but the ethnic majority, canceling elections, and nationalizing all the major corporations..?
I did appreciate the handwaving that praised German and Japanese nationalism in the early 20th century but then skipped right to Chinese modernization without mentioning WWII and how the US rebuilt Europe, making the European social democracy thing even remotely viable. Like I get the US isn't perfect, but at least we're trying to get better. The Chinese government is actively becoming more authoritarian and making no bones about it.
He's not even trying to hide his disdain for the liberal experiment or anything approaching human rights, like freedom of speech. State capacity quickly turns to nationalism (with the possible exception of Korea, but DPRK didn't exactly miss the boat there) and to me, nationalism is just a fancy word for bigotry. Like, I have zero desire to live in Singapore, one of the countries that best dealt with COVID. Why? You can be caned for the absolutely horrific crimes of... umm... overstaying your visa or doing drugs.
I just don't believe for a second that liberalism is worth giving up, like the author suggests. I very much enjoy my freedom to call the President a racist asshole on boards such as this with nobody telling me I can't. He may be right in that there's tension between state capacity and individual freedom, and in that case, I'll take the latter every time in building a country.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 Iām not sure what to think as a parent. My son needs the structure badly with his autism and we all continue to work. It would be impossible for his daycare to have dozens of computers and try to online stuff much. He hates doing it to boot. I keep hearing about having every other day between grades. Iām lucky because our district may have 500 kids in it from pre-K to 12th grade total. Not sure what the right answer is but it has negatively effected him and he is losing progress because of this. The first 6-8 years are huge for autism kids and what he is losing at this point, he may never recover from. Small children wonāt wear mask or social distance, youād have better luck training a monkey to mow your yard. That being said it needs to be safe. It is a lose lose for us at this point.
Iāve been following this for quite awhile now, in part as a education scholar and in part as an interested instructor. I think weāre down to the least bad option. Iāve come down to we basically have to run schools basically as I went to kindergarten; alternating MWF/TU weeks. Basically have to quarantine teachers during the year. I hate it with almost every fiber of my being but I canāt find a better option. Entirely open to suggestions.
Alternating days doesn't work either because those plans that have been proposed still call for teachers on campus every day so teachers can't help kids on their days off campus. You also run into issues of childcare for younger kids in single parent households or where both parents have to work outside the home.
One district here in Houston has already announced they're going to be online only this year, but I'm fully preparing to have about 9 months of no social life or be able to see my mom who's in her early 70's because exposure is going to happen and districts here have pretty much said unless you're showing symptoms, show up and if catch Covid, tough luck because you aren't getting any extra sick days if you need them.
This school year is going to be an absolute š©show this year because there is no good option. They are all š© plans with significant issues that can't realistically be solved.
I think it could work. I didn't even have full time kindergarten in Kansas. Half the grade went MWF one week, TU the next. If you incorporated the online element, you could conceivably pull it off so long as you give folks some runway to plan. I don't like it, but I think both the full bore everyone in person or nobody in person are unacceptable. It keeps buses less full, and classrooms more spaced out so you mitigate risk to the most people while still getting some in person instruction.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Lincoln Project Ad:
Marshall drags poor bob dole out again to say he trusts roger Marshall. I really did like bob dole too. But I not sure he's ok to make decisions now. They are a circus!
I donāt have any doubt Bob likes Roger a lot, heās taken a weirdly pro-Trump like over the last few years. My theory is heās taking his role as a very senior Republican very seriously, probably more than he should. I know heās still sharp, and will call our Members and opine on current issues. But like you, I find it odd heās tossed his lot in with someone whoās refused to deal with entitlements as someone who bit the hottest bullet and reformed social security during the Reagan years.
@kjayhawks said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
@benshawks08 Iām not sure what to think as a parent. My son needs the structure badly with his autism and we all continue to work. It would be impossible for his daycare to have dozens of computers and try to online stuff much. He hates doing it to boot. I keep hearing about having every other day between grades. Iām lucky because our district may have 500 kids in it from pre-K to 12th grade total. Not sure what the right answer is but it has negatively effected him and he is losing progress because of this. The first 6-8 years are huge for autism kids and what he is losing at this point, he may never recover from. Small children wonāt wear mask or social distance, youād have better luck training a monkey to mow your yard. That being said it needs to be safe. It is a lose lose for us at this point.
Iāve been following this for quite awhile now, in part as a education scholar and in part as an interested instructor. I think weāre down to the least bad option. Iāve come down to we basically have to run schools basically as I went to kindergarten; alternating MWF/TU weeks. Basically have to quarantine teachers during the year. I hate it with almost every fiber of my being but I canāt find a better option. Entirely open to suggestions.
@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
The Trump aura is shattered.
That Biden is within the MoE of Trump among seniors tells you all you need to know about the state of the race right now.