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Kcmatt7 said:

@HighEliteMajor NCAA has precedent for suspensions. I'd say this was by far longer than any for the same crime. At least lately. DeSousa would have a case. He may not win, but he'd have a case.

It doesn't matter whether or not he knew his guardian took cash. All that matters is the NCAA punished him unfairly in comparison to others for similarly breaking the rules..

I did the math on this at one point, but DJax got like 9 games for $5k. The NCAA and KU agree Silvio got $22,500. Multipoly 9x4.5 40.5. Silvio should be back in about December if the appeals committee follows any precedent. Just give him time served and call it good.

Committee meets in late May or early June I think. Different body made up of all non-NCAA people.

The 22nd for Stanley. Not sure it’s worth paying attention to.

Woodrow said:

@BShark If Miller got fired wouldn't Arizona most likely release him anyways? Assuming he wanted out is Miller was no longer around...

Depends on whether they’d ask him to pay back the cash. Half kidding. But yeah, he’d get out of it easily.

Kcmatt7 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

FWIW on Rivals Bossi and Corey Evans think we get Precious and Enaruna. And every day that goes by make it less likely Doke leaves...

Evans thinks Memphis for Precious according to the article published like 4 hours ago. But Bossi thinks Kansas. Both do have Enaruna.

I feel very good about us ending up with Hampton. He is an Adidas kid...

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/late-signing-period-predictions ↗

Good catch. Just misread it. I'm really watching what Watford does. If he ends up at Memphis, Precious won't.

FWIW on Rivals Bossi and Corey Evans think we get Precious and Enaruna. And every day that goes by make it less likely Doke leaves...

rockchalkwyo said:

When is the deadline to declare and back out to maintain your eligibility? I know it’s on here but I can’t find it. Thanks

Late May I think? Something like the 25th. And you go undrafted you can return to school starting this year.

nuleafjhawk said:

@BShark Yes. And Wiggins and Josh had such a huge impact on the University of Kansas. He should definitely try diligently to get more of those types of players................

Just think about the counterfactual of not having Wiggins or Josh and who we'd run out there. Starting Brannen Greene and Carlton Bragg all year would not be ideal.

BShark said:

Seems like KU has a real good shot at Holyfield fwiw.

Agreed. I think he's best as a utility man off the bench. Bring back Doke, get Blackshear, sign Holyfield as the first big off the bench. Prosper.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@FarmerJayhawk hear anything about juiston?

Health and academics are the big thing. If he can graduate (may be summer) and is healthy, his market should take off. I think it'll be after this semester before we hear much.

No reason not to at this point. He's better than Hurt will be.

Kerry Blackshear evaluating both grad transfer and pro options.

dylans said:

https://247sports.com/Player/NFaly-Dante-46041492/ ↗

Bill and Kurtis. Looks like he’s getting the full court press.

He's also originally from Mali. I know Cheick enjoyed his time in Lawrence and is thankful for the giant wad of cash KU threw at lawyers and PR people to get the NCAA to clear him.

Friend of mine in Wichita says KU is leading for Dante if he reclassifies and Doke leaves

Declared for the draft. Probably just testing since he's not a NBA player right now.

BeddieKU23 said:

Welcome to Kansas.

Where you dont even need to play to declare for the draft.

http://m.kusports.com/news/2019/apr/15/ku-sophomore-silvio-de-sousa-facing-potentially-im/ ↗

All out redicilous

Do you blame him? Might as well go through the process while the NCAA decides whether you get to play this decade.

Precious or Holyfield at the 4

KU never really pushed on Beverly.

Wonder if Mr. Hurt got a nice consulting gig in Durham?

Anyway, still have a good shot at Holyfield, Enaruna, and Precious for 4’s. Hampton as a 2. I’m also more optimistic than most Doke comes back.

nuleafjhawk said:

@FarmerJayhawk We're going to concentrate on football.

Exactly. We’re a football school now. We want Bama

BShark said:

Will KU sign another recruit ever again?

Nope. KU isn't playing basketball next season. Year after TBD.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Memphis should kick some butt. Not impressed w/penny, but wiseman🤩

Dude. Sometimes I look at Evan Daniels tweet that KU was a real threat for Wiseman and I think of happier days. I didn’t believe it but it was fun to think about.

@Crimsonorblue22 or the ultimate K treatment. Play matador D and chuck 3’s

Man Bill would love coaching Precious.

Kcmatt7 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Precious looks great at the Hoops Summit. Worked over Hurt a few times. No doubt in my mind he’ll be a better pro

Hurt looks like a multi year guy to me. I don’t see the frame or athleticism yet... but that’s just one mans opinion.

He’ll be a one and done but I agree he’ll take awhile to find his role. I like the Keith Van Horn comp

Precious looks great at the Hoops Summit. Worked over Hurt a few times. No doubt in my mind he’ll be a better pro

dylans said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Crimsonorblue22 said:

https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Article/Bill-Self-KU-supports-Devon-Dotsons-NBA-testing-decision-131145689/ ↗

Yep. Sure sounds like he's done at KU forever and ever. /s

You about gave me a heart attack. I thought a new statement had been released.

I need a sarcasm font.

I tried with the /s man!!

dylans said:

nuleafjhawk said:

@dylans Super high ranked guys don't guarantee immediate success either.

Zion

IDK when he played they rarely lost and it wasn’t Zion’s fault. I would have gone with a different example like Grimes.

I don’t like OADs, but I think you sure as heck take the right one.

Josh

Anthony Davis, Josh Jackson, Zion Williamson all nice players that just needed surrounded by a few upper class men to succeed.

We all may have a different opinion if Embiid had stayed healthy.

We run people like crazy if Bill lets Joel come back his sophomore year. I’ve heard Joel was in tears in Bill’s office wanting to come back and Bill would not take yes for an answer.

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

You act like there aren't a gazillion good players still left out there that KU is in a good spot with. Dotson will almost certainly be back. KU is in a good spot with Precious, Hampton, and some grad transfers. I guess if things are that bad you can always follow dook.

I'm just feeling zany because everyone is jumping ship (even if DDot comes back as expected) and KU hasn't added a player since the fall.

Right, which is totally normal since the early signing period isn’t until next week. There’s always a lull during the season.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Article/Bill-Self-KU-supports-Devon-Dotsons-NBA-testing-decision-131145689/ ↗

Yep. Sure sounds like he's done at KU forever and ever. /s

jayballer73 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

@BeddieKU23 he'll be back. No way he's a first rounder.

Neither is Grimes a 1st rounder - -and he is gone - sure didn't stop him

Sure. Just two completely different families and players. The plan from the jump was for Q to be one and done. Devon was almost the opposite. Take 2 or 3 years and develop before leaving.

And FWIW, you can test as many times as you want. https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/enforcement/2019ENF_NBAMemo.pdf ↗

dylans said:

@Crimsonorblue22 I have no doubt he cares deeply about the team he’s playing on. I just don’t think it would’ve mattered if it was KU or UK. There just aren’t too many Lightfoot’s out there. Most become fans over the years like Graham. I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing as long as the kid buys in. I just had envisioned Dotson being here long enough to leave a legacy.

And he'll very likely be here at least another season.

You act like there aren't a gazillion good players still left out there that KU is in a good spot with. Dotson will almost certainly be back. KU is in a good spot with Precious, Hampton, and some grad transfers. I guess if things are that bad you can always follow dook.

BShark said:

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark stop!

Stop what? Not sure KU will be able to put a basketball team on the court next year.

put the pipe down

Crimsonorblue22 said:

They have the free chance to test, why wouldn't they?

This is my thing. It's an absolute no-risk move to test and get feedback. Did anyone here get their resume looked at before they graduated college? Do a mock interview? Externship? Same deal here.

26-10 was the wake-up call.

dylans said:

@FarmerJayhawk Is the last paragraph how other institutions get out of having in-eligible players? Just play them and make the NCAA come at them (i.e. Zion)???

Pretty much. Since they don't have subpoena power the NCAA only relies on voluntary cooperation and publicly available information. If they gather that something is fishy, warn the school, and the school still plays the kid (e.g. Derrick Rose) then they can drop the hammer citing the school's "lack of institutional control." But in cases where the information is sufficiently buried and not provable, like Zion, the NCAA is relatively powerless to do anything.

@dylans I think you can test twice and the third time you're in for good. I expected Dotson gone after next season to avoid competing with the HS kids in the 2021 draft.

@BeddieKU23 my feeling is this is a no-brainer for them. Devon won't be at KU for 4 years and you get multiple opportunities to test, so why not?

@BeddieKU23 he'll be back. No way he's a first rounder.

I'm more optimistic about Doke coming back than most. If for no other reason than he'd be option 1, 2, and 3 for us next year. Not getting Hurt or Stanley. Still in a good spot with Achiwua and Enaruna. I know there's some optimism about Silvio getting cleared since it's a separate committee that makes the call on an appeal. They're scheduled to meet in June so we'll have something by the draft I'd wager.

@Texas-Hawk-10 per the NCAA it was only $22,500, unless they are mistaken in their own ruling. If the NCAA follows precedent (lol), Selby got $5k and had to sit 9 games. $22,500 should be this season (36) plus 5 more. Or maybe the appeals folks will take it easy and just say a year is plenty. http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/ncaa-provides-reinstatement-decision-kansas-silvio-de-sousa ↗

Kcmatt7 said:

HighEliteMajor said:

@FarmerJayhawk Once concern I have for Doke returning .. we focus all of our preseason efforts on feeding the post and playing through Doke. And then, when we get in a game with a team that plays small, Self lets the other team dictate the style of play and we're in the same spot we've been in much of the time. And, of course, while I'm sure he's been "really working hard" on free throws, he'll be less than 50% again. Actually less than 40%. He was worse last season after supposed work than the year before.

To be fair, we didn’t lose a game with Doke this season. And we didn’t exactly play a softball schedule. And we made a FF built around him with a 4 out run and gun.

Doke is a stud. A defensive presence and an incredibly efficient scorer.

This. We were absolutely rolling with Doke last season. He's just such a weapon on both ends in spite of all his flaws. He's a huge upgrade over McCormack, who shot 60% from the line, not exactly a knockdown shooter.

I'm optimistic Doke returns. Last I knew the staff didn't know whether he'd be back or not. KU is also well positioned with Hampton, Achiwua, and Dante. Also have a shot at TJ Holyfield, Rayjon Tucker, Daniel Utomi, and Tristan Enaruna.

Grimes is at least testing, and probably gone for good.

Another fun one https://247sports.com/Player/Antwann-Jones-84365/ ↗

BShark said:

Offered Kyree Walker who is 2020 but already moved back a grade so could reclass. Stud wing.

Would take. Arkansas and Memphis the ones to beat

Woodrow said:

UCLA is now recruiting Precious. That just seems like a weird recruitment all the way around.

It’s gonna be banana$

Notable not declaration: Ashton Hagans.

HighEliteMajor said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

@kjayhawks Diallo and Selby are mine. If Diallo stays for 16-17 we absolutely run everyone. We start NPOY Frank and designated sniper Devonte, then the fun starts. We can go small and start Svi at the 3, Josh at the 4, and Cheick at the 5, or Josh at the 3, Cheick at the 4, and Landen at the 5. Either way we’re great. And you’d still have Bragg and Doke as your backup bigs. Cheick would’ve been the perfect matchup for Jordan Bell and Oregon. What could’ve been.

You make the assumption that Self would have started him over LL. Logical in all worlds except the one we live. I have zero faith that would have occurred. Diallo was the perfect match vs Nova in the 16 EE. And he sat. NC chance down the drain.

We would've gone with 2 bigs, Cheick and Landen.