If folks are opposed to this, they ought to have a really, really good reason why forfeiting millions of dollars per year is ok. This is a top 4 deal in the country in both AAV and total value, and takes care of all sports plus provides the university half a million per year in scholarship funds. Nike wasn't going to even put us in the same tier as their big schools (Texas, Ohio St., UNC, etc.). This is a huge win for KU.
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@colohawks Doke 10/10 times. He's such a dominant force in the game that you can't not take him.
I think we need at least one more guard, probably 2. Tucker is the biggest target left out there, Hampton second. I like RJ a lot, but he doesn't really move the needle as far as floor spacing. He's also a really bad rebounder. Tucker does everything we need at a high level: elite athlete, shooter, and has experience in KU's system (Dooley). He'd catch on quicker than most. Hampton would take awhile since he wouldn't be a part of the offseason program.
I would absolutely take both and both would start from day 1, but Tucker is the bigger need right now. If Ochai develops his handle he could slide down to the 2 but I like him a lot better as a true wing.
Kcmatt7 said:
Possible Reclass? He's already 18. Maybe trying to sneak into the 2020 draft?
It'll be official. He'll be 19 during the 2020 draft year so it's possible assuming his grades are in order.
Scottie Barnes is coming to visit soon. Date TBD.
kjayhawks said:
@KirkIsMyHinrich Doubtful, I bet MSU is preseason #1 and we wont get all of those guys.
UK would be mine. They’re better than anyone in the backcourt
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
May 10-12th is the visit date
Has this even been announced yet? :eyes:
Not that I know of. All I heard over the weekend was “after graduation.”
Apparently the 3rd, per Rayjon himself on twitter dot com
Very cool! Need to lock him down.
Miami just added Keith Stone as a grad transfer so not sure how much room they have for Enaruna now.
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
May 10-12th is the visit date
Has this even been announced yet? :eyes:
Not that I know of. All I heard over the weekend was “after graduation.”
May 10-12th is the visit date
chriz said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
How about:
G: Dotson, McBride
G: Hampton, Garrett
G: Tucker, Agbaji
F: Silvio, Holyfield
C: Doke, McCormack.
Get rekt, America.
Who's Tucker? Unless he's a 5 Star top 10-15 prospect, he ain't hopping over Agbaji.
Rayjon Tucker, a grad transfer from Little Rock. He was head and shoulders better than Ochai last year. I’d actually think about starting them both if we miss on Hampton or Dotson doesn’t come back.
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HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk Nice breakdown. Any lineup where Agbaji doesn't start, I can't support, though. Agbaji has to start. Agbaji has "it" -- you heard it from me first back in January. To me, that's the one given. Agbagi starting. Then we fill in the next 4 (Dotson and Doke, of course, pending NBA flirtations). I will be wildly disappointed if Self has anyone start ahead of Agbaji.
Have to agree - - -I just feel we can't keep Agbaji out - -think he brings to many things. - -He can D up - - Decent shot - -has good hops - -good rebounder - just about as solid as we got other then Dotson possibly
I like Ochai a lot, don't get me wrong. But after he cratered at the end of last season I really want an insurance policy. And why not take a guy that averaged 21 and 7 while shooting 41% from 3?
How about:
G: Dotson, McBride
G: Hampton, Garrett
G: Tucker, Agbaji
F: Silvio, Holyfield
C: Doke, McCormack.
Get rekt, America.
Silvio definitely. Grimes definitely not barring a Vick-esque change of heart. Better to focus on Hampton and Tucker.
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Agree with this based on what has been said about him and the fact that he is out of TX HS hoops eligibility.
I will add that prep school is an option if he graduates early. The Anfernee Simons/Thon Maker/Jalen Lecque route.
approxinfinity said:
@jayballer73 Nice hype video.
I disagree on "getting Hampton to commit and reclassify". Theres a whole lot of writing between the lines on that statement.
I'd put a nice chunk of change on Hampton being in 2019. KU or Memphis.
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Saw this. Wondering if we are more in it than some think.
I'd rather have Holyfield (which might be cray) but I'd take either in a second.
boy if we could get Precious or Holyfield to go along with Doke and McCormack - we be good in our front line. - - -Oh and possibly get Silvio eligible this Season - man frontline would be plenty Salty.
I think we are going to see better McCormick this year - -you could see the light starting to flicker in the latter part of the season - things starting to come around - I think he will be a huge 3-4 year player for us
100% agree. A three headed monster of Silvio, Doke, and McCormack, would be epic. We may win a lot of games 61-50 but it'll be the most dominant 11 point win you'll see.
justanotherfan said:
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
Charlie is headed to Depaul
Well, at least the want to be close to home line seems very legit with this.
Rumor has it that Moore had been back and forth to Chicago a few times this year due to his parents being ill. This is one of those cases where what people are saying publicly (non-basketball decision, desire to be closer to home) are actually the real reasons. He's dealing with some family stuff. That's tough at any age.
Yep. I think it affected him above the neck more than he let on.
justanotherfan said:
This is good news, but it still doesn't fix the problems KU had this year. And that is completely dependent on Doke staying healthy.
No, but we're still in it for a lot of terrific fits. Hampton, Tucker, Holyfield, and Precious. Land one big and one small and those problems are much, much better.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk I can't wait to play them!
Same. I don't care who they trot out, if we can land Hampton/Tucker and another big (Holyfield/Precious) we're going to mess them up big time. If we have Silvio and Doke in the front court, we're going to flat wreck people. Those are two big freaking dudes. Vernon Carey is big but no way on Earth he can body up the big fella. And Silvio can hang with Hurt athletically. Obviously Precious and Holyfield would be terrific too.
BShark said:
Stanley to Duke as expected.
fart noise
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
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Saw this. Wondering if we are more in it than some think.
I'd rather have Holyfield (which might be cray) but I'd take either in a second.
Yes. Yes we are. we’ve been in deep here for a long time. Thanks Norm!!
Norm is the untouchable assistant for me. In a perfect world, Snacks finds a HC job soon. Breaths new blood into the program and a good look in general.
Same. Look at recruiting pre- and post-Norm. Night and day. I love Danny (who doesn't?) but his lack of recruiting killed us for a couple years.
LETS FORKING GOOOOOO
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FarmerJayhawk said:
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Saw this. Wondering if we are more in it than some think.
I'd rather have Holyfield (which might be cray) but I'd take either in a second.
Yes. Yes we are. we’ve been in deep here for a long time. Thanks Norm!!
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I'm still on the play Garrett 20 minutes per game train. His defense is still incredible, both in the eye test and advanced stats. Last year would've been one of the all-time kind of defensive seasons in the Big 12 had he not been on 1 leg for the last half of league play.
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Still not a peep. I’ll be nervous until the NBA releases the list.
when will that come out
Monday
Still not a peep. I’ll be nervous until the NBA releases the list.
jayballer73 said:
Well Jeff Long looks like tweeted Check your local listings - - always wanted to say that - - end of May.
I couldn't figure out what the hell he meant by that - totally threw me off. - -Somebody said - -the end of May is the last day a player can withdraw his name from the draft - -would be kind of hinting that Doke is declaring - Hope that's not right. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Just messing with people. Tait is reporting Self hasn't heard a peep from Doke.
Self saying he still hasn’t heard anything. Wonder if Doke is just going to let 10:59 come and go...
Kcmatt7 said:
Boy, pipe dream thoughts of landing Hampton and bringing Ochai and Garrett off of the bench are starting...
Love where your head’s at! I think Ochai has a chance to develop into a 2 as well. Certainly athletic enough to guard 2’s. Just needs a better handle and more consistent shot.
@HighEliteMajor there are, the NCAA just doesn’t follow them.
HighEliteMajor said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I understand why you might think that on Gatto.
But do you understand that Gassnnola was a cooperating witness for the prosecution that offered testimony so he was not prosecuted?
From reports on the trial --- "Gassnola was testifying for the prosecution to try to avoid prison, he acknowledged." A touch of motivation there I would think .. they went after the Adidas exec. And Gatto didn't testify, so you don't have to trust his testimony. It was a stipulation made by his attorney to the facts alleged by the prosecution. Maybe you don't trust that, and that's fine.
Our stand up guy Gassnola, testifying against a "great friend" to save his own skin.
On Gassnola, "At one point, one defense attorney informed Gassnola he had said “I don’t remember” or “I don’t recall” more than 20 times and reminded him he was under oath." Also -- "Gassnola had a larceny conviction in his 20s for writing bad checks. There was an assault charge, later dropped, in which a man claimed Gassnola had pointed a gun at him and boasted of friends in the local mob. There were also 'five or six' civil judgments, Gassnola admitted, including one for misleading buyers in a real estate deal. And then there was money he owed the IRS — at least $60,000, Gassnola said." Further, "In 2012, the NCAA banned Gassnola from any involvement with “certified events” — youth tournaments college coaches can attend. He briefly lost his Adidas sponsorship, until Jim Gatto, a friend of Miller’s who worked in the company’s basketball marketing division, intervened."
More from Gassnola testify against the guy that intervened to help him -- " 'Appreciate u man more than you will ever know maybe I don’t say it enough your my man', Jim, Gassnola wrote. 'Jimmy was right there for me,' Gassnola explained. 'He was a great friend.' Is that how you felt about Mr. Gatto? the prosecutor asked as Gassnola’s former boss at Adidas — a 48-year-old father of two with no prior criminal record — sat feet away, stone-faced, staring straight ahead. 'Still do', Gassnola said."
More on Gassnola -- In 2016, Gassnola said, he learned that Kansas recruit Billy Preston’s mother, Nicole Player, was taking money from other “entities” interested in her son’s talents. Concerned that these other people, whom he didn’t identify, would be “sloppy” and get Preston’s mother caught, Gassnola made her an offer: Stop taking money from everyone else, and Adidas would pay her what she needed. Over the next year, Gassnola testified, he paid Preston’s mother $89,000, in installments. In November 2016, Gassnola took out $50,000, gave $30,000 to Player and used some of the remaining $20,000 to buy Super Bowl tickets for himself and some colleagues at Adidas, he said. Two months later, he took out another $27,500 and gave $20,000 to Player. A prosecutor asked Gassnola what he did with the remaining $7,500. 'I kept it in my pocket and went shopping,' Gassnola testified."
Good grief, the guy stole $7,500 from Adidas to go shopping, and deceived his "great friend."
This is the man that Bill Self (Mr. PD - Plausible Deniability) partnered with to get recruits. This should really cause everyone great pause.
Going with your thoughts .. "because of a $60,000 payment from Under Armour." As you noted, SDS got money. The fact that the $60,000 payment was made, whether it was to go to MD or KU, created the same "fraud", as SDS would be just as ineligible to play at KU regardless of whether the payment was made by UA to go to MD, or Adidas to go to KU.
How can a kid that took money like that every play CBB?
Had a boss once who had a lot of rules for life, two of which are “f*** the rules” and “people matter.” And if you really want to be a stickler for the rules and precedent, Silvio should sit 40.5 games. The $22,500 is the amount agreed upon by KU and the NCAA. My suggestion is make up your mind whether the NCAA should follow its own rules or not.
Doubt we hear until tomorrow. Doke’s a religious kid and probably doesn’t want to interrupt Easter.
Tucker is planning on visiting KU. Timing TBD.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BShark I think Self loved wiggs
That he did. Xavier too. He definitely would've stayed but for Carl being total head case. Selby however...
BeddieKU23 said:
The percentages don't really tell the story. Confidence is key. Nobody on last years team was a confident shooter other then Grimes and Lawson. Both guys are gone. Hopefully the guys can develop confidence in their shooting abilities.
100% agree. I have faith they will. Both Dotson and Ochai have their roles set in stone for next season and will go through the offseason knowing what Self expects and will ask them to do.
BigBad said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
If we have Dotson, Ochai, Silvio, and Doke, that’s at least a Big 12 title team. Add Hampton and it’s a Final Four team. I think we’ll get Enaruna too. Still need another guard or two.
Not enough consistent outside shooting there. Teams will pack in like crazy. They were starting to do that before Doke got hurt too.
Ochai is going to be a good shooter. Dotson is going to be in the high 30’s from 3. Hampton should be around 35%. Not too shabby.
wissox said:
He needs someone to throw him the ball 1 foot from the rim. If Dotson isn't here, that's our #1 priority. I'm heartened by the idea that he may return now. Seemingly the first good roster related news we've had since last spring.
If we have Dotson, Ochai, Silvio, and Doke, that’s at least a Big 12 title team. Add Hampton and it’s a Final Four team. I think we’ll get Enaruna too. Still need another guard or two.
Apparently they were so mad at LSU for making strong ass offers they gave Cal Poly a strong ass punishment for overpaying book stipends to a few athletes ($16k worth), while actually underfunding the entire program by like 9 times that amount. The thread is worth the read. Obligatory #FreeSilvio
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FWIW I’ve heard rumors UNC is out for Precious. KU and Memphis are the 2.
I think he’s legitimately undecided. Really good arguments on both sides of stay or go.
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
The real question is will Self try to start Silvio next to Doke? And who goes to the bench for Hampton to start? #FactsOnly
Nah, he’ll be the third big behind Doke and Precious. At this point we don’t have a 2 on the roster sooooo
LETSSSS GOOOOOOOOO
Hypothetically of course
BShark said:
The real question is will Self try to start Silvio next to Doke? And who goes to the bench for Hampton to start? #FactsOnly
Nah, he’ll be the third big behind Doke and Precious. At this point we don’t have a 2 on the roster sooooo
@BigBad Sorry, you said they're all taking joke classes and didn't specify where.
BigBad said:
So many here live in a fantasy world. Everyone is cheating, this is college basketball now. Money, grades, EVERYTHING is fake. Go back and look at how many actual stars(Larry Johnson and Glenn Robinson just to name 2) couldn't get the grades to play their freshman year when prop 48 started. Now? Nobody is ineligible. They are all taking joke classes and getting paid somehow. It is a farse.
Grades are not fake.
SOURCE: teaching college courses is my job and I’ve had quite a few players. I have close friends in the academic part of several AD’s. Athletes get additional resources but the classes are the exact same as anyone else.
Woodrow said:
Last two crystal ball picks have been to Memphis for Precious. I tend to think that’s where he ends up.
He and Watford are mutually exclusive there. If Watford announces for Memphis, here we come.
BShark said:
We are a faaaar cry away from games like this: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2003-03-29-arizona.html ↗
So many pros in this game and many were JR/SR.
Can we talk for a second about how Kirk took 17 3’s
BShark said:
Luke Maye is their Lightfoot and he was going to walk-on or something like that right? Really puts the difference in perspective.
Luke's dad was a QB at Carolina back in the day, and was a walk-on his freshman year just because he wanted to be a Tar Heel.
nuleafjhawk said:
@FarmerJayhawk Don't you think the time he's spent on the bench last season watching this team disintegrate before his eyes should be punishment enough?
Beyond a shadow of a doubt, yes. If we had Silvio out there instead of McCormack, we're a different team down the stretch.