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Recent developments at St. John’s and UCLA don’t hurt us with Precious and Stanley

And the way I understand it, RJ is out of eligibility in varsity TX HS competition. He’ll either transfer or go to college in 2019.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

So Duke out for Hampton then?

In 2019, yes.

No new info. Just we’re interested in Tucker, Utomi, and the SDSU kid

dylans said:

Don’t do it Rick!

If we can get Josiah James tho

Hurt

rockchalkwyo said:

@FarmerJayhawk yeah he’s picking Stanley to choose KU. I’m sure you knew that already though

I knew he was bullish anyway

Hawk8086 said:

@FarmerJayhawk So....Does it looks like we have a good shot at Stanley or Beverly if Grimes leaves?

At this point I’d say Stanley is more likely than Beverly, but with Charlie gone we’ll have room for both if Grimes leaves. Beverly isn’t a guy that you’d want playing 30 MPG as a freshman.

rockchalkwyo said:

Same with Russ Wood and Cory Evans from rivals.com. Whoever they are

Corey at Rivals is legit. This one’s over guys.

Here’s the list of guys I’m tracking:

Hampton
Stanley
Beverly
Tucker
Utomi
Juiston
Hurt
Achiuwa
Dante

BShark said:

Sure looks like KU will add a bunch of guys we don't even know the name of yet.

I think we’ll be following it into July. There will be some reclassifications (Dante, Hampton) and guys can graduate in the summer and transfer. Could be wild or pretty tame depending on Grimes, Doke, and Silvio. Get 2/3 and we’re set.

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Shat. Looks like Tre Jones is going back to dook. Think that swings Hurt to them. I assumed he was gone.

LETS GET RJ HAMPTON. WOOOO. lol...

Memphis

Sure looks that way. Long way to go though.

@kjayhawks Diallo and Selby are mine. If Diallo stays for 16-17 we absolutely run everyone. We start NPOY Frank and designated sniper Devonte, then the fun starts. We can go small and start Svi at the 3, Josh at the 4, and Cheick at the 5, or Josh at the 3, Cheick at the 4, and Landen at the 5. Either way we’re great. And you’d still have Bragg and Doke as your backup bigs. Cheick would’ve been the perfect matchup for Jordan Bell and Oregon. What could’ve been.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@FarmerJayhawk thx, I wanted juice to start with, but I'm not sure where Self plays him. Wonder how his knee is?

Same here! Unfortunately for us he wanted to start and not back up Billy. Oops. I’m sure that’ll be part of the vetting process for every school. Assuming he’s healthy, sign him up

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@FarmerJayhawk why is that?

Hurt wants to play with a bunch of talented guards. If Duke’s situation was really unclear, like Goldwire/Ellis/grad transfer, it’s a lot less appealing to play there. KU with Dotson is appealing too, but seems like Hurt has bought into being RJ Barrett but a better shooter or whatever BS K sold him.

If Hurt signs with Duke, I REALLY want to lock up Shakur Juiston. I’ve always liked his game and he’s the kind of steady presence we could use. He’s also a really good passer. And then hope like hell we can pull Stanley or Grimes comes back. Which FWIW I’ve asked on Cassius and the plurality of folks think he’ll be a Jayhawk but nobody was very sure. Honestly wouldn’t surprise me if he’d push his commitment date back.

Shat. Looks like Tre Jones is going back to dook. Think that swings Hurt to them. I assumed he was gone.

BeddieKU23 said:

I could care less how we do it but we need a full 13. Just to deal with guys who cant play via eligibility, injury, who knows what else but we are great at having a less then 100% roster by the time it matters

Self is going to have to channel his inner Roy and bring back everyone who’s on the margin of staying or going pro.

Woodrow said:

@FarmerJayhawk I am not talking about getting 13 top 100 kids and or immediate impact kids. I understand that’s not feasible in most cases. I’m talking about kids that actually belong at the KU level. We have already heard Self is combing through the Juco ranks. JC kids hardly ever pan out at the next level.

Right. I’m saying it’s really common for blue bloods to have one or two open every year. If a guy leaves unexpectedly a lot of times it’s better to keep it for the next year or for a mid year transfer than take a flier on a kid who probably isn’t going to cut it

Woodrow said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

RJ Hampton down to 4: KU, Duke, Memphis, UK, and will cut to 3 soon. Seems more and more likely he’ll end up in 2019. I think UK gets the axe

Seems like he is Duke bound regardless .

Rumor is it's not Duke if he reclassifies, but remains to be seen. He's got an entire summer to get more classes if needed.

dylans said:

I hear a rumor that Rayjon Tucker was visited by KU last night.

He's such a perfect fit at the wing. My gods. Shooting, athleticism, and experience with the system (from Dooley). He just really needs to crank it up on the defensive end, which is definitely doable given Self's expectations and Tucker not having to get every bucket.

I doubt we get 13. It’s pretty hard for any program to get 13 legit guys in any given year.

RJ Hampton down to 4: KU, Duke, Memphis, UK, and will cut to 3 soon. Seems more and more likely he’ll end up in 2019. I think UK gets the axe

BeddieKU23 said:

Come on down, literally anyone that can play the 4 and stretch the court. Dont know who it will be

Hurt

Dedric gone according to Goodman. In the least surprising news of the year

BShark said:

dylans said:

His dad roots for Duke. 🤢

Duke has a lot of tshirt fans.

Especially in Nebraska for some reason. Very odd.

chriz said:

i assume to memphis?

Nope. They won't have room. I think he should drop a level and go nuts.

Kcmatt7 said:

Virginia Tech now on the board.

Anthony Harris: https://247sports.com/player/anthony-harris-45572938/ ↗

Emanuel Miller: https://247sports.com/player/emanuel-miller-46041939/ ↗

Harris got his full release. Not a huge fan but if push comes to shove, we do need at least one more guard, probably 2. Also tore his ACL in December so may be a RS candidate wherever he lands.

ZIG said:

Jahvon Quinnerly (probably totally butchered that spelling) is transferring from Nova. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t KU one of his final options? If so, do you think Self goes after him, ala M. Newman?

Noooope. Quinerly is going to end up at a mid major and hopefully will be the wake up call the kid needs

dylans said:

If the NCAA will allow the undrafted HS kids to maintain their eligibility it may not be so bad. Especially with Bill being good at pulling kids late.

I think that’s where we’ll eventually wind up. Kids just have to maintain the NCAA’s version of amateur status.

I like him so much he gets is own thread. Anyhow, UNC is going to be tough to beat for him. They need to replace Cam Johnson and aren't getting Hurt and probably aren't getting Precious. Tucker is from the Charlotte area and has a lot of family connection to UNC. He's taking a visit to WVU this weekend, but KU has reached out and Tucker is interested. Memphis, Texas Tech, Auburn, the Arizonas, South Carolina, and Iowa State are also involved. I don't think Memphis or the Arizonas are really a threat. If I had to guess, UNC, KU, and SC are the top 3.

dylans said:

@approxinfinity Explain to me again why Malik isn’t with the program this season???

He was never going to get drafted unless he either developed into a true PG or grew 3". Better to go make some money while he can since he's old for his class.

BeddieKU23 said:

@BShark

He checked out after what 2 weeks into the season. Not a player you want until he grows up

This. Dude is a locker room disaster. And lazy to boot.

BShark said:

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dylans said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

And the big one, players can return to school if they're not drafted and maintain eligibility.

Really? What’s to keep everyone from declaring just to see what will happen? Can you only declare twice?

If you’re drafted and don’t like the team can you go back to school? (I don’t think this is currently possible, but will it be?)

You can only withdraw twice. And to your last question, once you’re drafted you forfeit your eligibility. I can’t see the NCAA going the route of letting drafted players play unless it’s a draft and follow kind of thing that the NHL does.

KU getting involved with Tucker

A couple things to keep in mind when looking at early entrants. Starting this year, players can hire an agent and retain eligibility as long as they don't take impermissible benefits. And the big one, players can return to school if they're not drafted and maintain eligibility.

April Fools!

GO TO HELL DOOK

dylans said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@jayhawkcsg Ripping a 21 year old because he didn't play up to expectations after he's announced his intention to move on just comes across as low class and petty.

Especially when he’s going home because he has a sick parent. Sometimes fans are the absolute worst.

Umm shades of Vick here? White lies to help the kid out the door? Didn’t Charlie transfer to KU to be closer to family?

It didn’t work out, now he’s leaving. Charlie at best was a bad fit, hopefully he can find a more appropriate program for his talent. Nothing to see here.

No, go read Charlie’s statement. He literally says he has a sick parent. He left Cal when Martin left. Different circumstances entirely.

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 I wonder when we will see KU make some moves here. Gotta think something is coming with Charlie announcing he is leaving.

It’s been weirdly quiet. Self has meetings this week with all the guys who may leave so we should get a better feel for things then. Thankfully most guys aren’t deciding until mid to late April. And for Precious could be as late as around Memorial Day. Some guys who are thinking about reclassifying could show up in August. So buckle up. It’s shaping up to be a weird offseason.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@jayhawkcsg Ripping a 21 year old because he didn't play up to expectations after he's announced his intention to move on just comes across as low class and petty.

Especially when he’s going home because he has a sick parent. Sometimes fans are the absolute worst.

JAYHAWKFAN214 said:

Charlie Moore has enter his name in to the transfer portal

Probably good for all parties.

I can answer this to some degree. I was working on a master’s and was offered a full time job in Washington, DC as a political appointee. I ended up declining (I was 22 at the time) and finishing my master’s at KU. Sometimes I wonder how things would’ve been different had I gone that route but haven’t regretted it. I asked literally everyone I could about what I should do. Family, friends, mentors, coworkers, and the like. But you just have to think it through on your own and make the choice you feel and think is right.

6:30 I believe

Hurt likely going to Memphis for a visit this weekend. Like I said, this one is definitely not in the bag. For anyone.

John Petty transferring from Bama. Took a step back this year but really talented kid.

@Texas-Hawk-10 I literally said they were compensated, even in the tl;dr version. Unless "But there is some non-monetary compensation, which fine I guess?" isn't clear enough for you.

HighEliteMajor said:

@FarmerJayhawk So you actually invoked the word “slaves”? Think this through, my friend. The truth is out there. It all begins with the word “choice.”

I did! As a similar condition where they were compensated in-kind and not allowed to make income outside their little fiefdom. To be clear, comparing the plight of a KU player to that of a slave in the antebellum South isn't great, but it's an example to show that in-kind compensation is sufficient for a just labor market.

I get the choice argument in that they aren't required to attend college. I'm a libertarian for chrissakes. But you're talking about two different concepts. One, is the individual required to attend college to make a living playing basketball? No, of course not. So there's nothing preventing the player from getting paid to play basketball. Two, if the individual attends college to play basketball, are they paid while attending? Also no.

It's a normative question about whether the student-athlete should be paid in some form. My feeling is yes. They should be able to command what the market will pay from anyone who's willing to pay them, including shoe companies, universities, the G League, NBA, international teams, or the freaking Globetrotters. The NCAA member institutions should be able to play in this sandbox too. The NCAA and member institutions take in billions in TV and merch revenue each year, so how about they use that to actually pay student-athletes what they could command if there wasn't a price ceiling of zero?

HighEliteMajor said:

@FarmerJayhawk Perpetuating the myth of unpaid labor are we?

I mean... if a job where you're forbidden from making income is by definition unpaid... and scholarships aren't income. I don't pay taxes on it, it doesn't go on my W2, and it doesn't affect my income tax bill. At all. Neither does their minuscule stipend. If you really want to go nuts with it, you can say they're compensated in kind, which is fair. But they're certainly unpaid using the Haig-Simmons (economic) definition of income, consumption plus change in net worth. Student-athletes can't accept any income that would increase their ability to consume, let alone increase wealth.

I'm an economist by trade and it sure as hell strikes me as unpaid since being a college athlete does not increase your ability to consume. But there is some non-monetary compensation, which fine I guess? If you really want to go nuts, slaves were given non-monetary compensation for their labor and nobody says they were paid.

tl;dr: compensation /=/ income. Athletes aren't getting any monetary benefit from playing and can't accept any monetary benefit from playing. Unless you have a different definition?

jayballer73 said:

BShark said:

@FarmerJayhawk I sure hope it doesn't come to him for a forward. Just get Hurt or Precious and it's all good.

Well I dunno BUT after listening to Hurt's interview with Rivals - has given me renewed hope/interest. - maybe a real reach - quite possibly reading to much into it but just sounded like he really was interested in Ku and Coach's just everything about KU - -we will see. - -see how this last month goes before his announcement. - We deserve some good news for change -- - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

My honest take is Hurt is still open to KU, dook, and UNC. I think a lot of the dook hype lately has been media driven.