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Blue Blood Coaching • Mar 12, 2018 04:07 PM

@justanotherfan

Again, the term “blue blood” is currently used out of context to indicated “elite.” If you go by the definition of the term, only the first dozen or so teams that originally played basketball, regardless of whether they won or lost, would qualify and maybe, and as I mentioned, some programs from the 30s, 40s and 50s when they still had a jump ball after each basket would qualify; I mentioned some and you mentioned some such as the Russell-Jones San Francisco teams or the Big O teams at Cincinnati, how about the DePaul teams with George Mikan?

Again, basketball as we know it did not start until the late 50s when the rules were standardize to be close to where they are today and most schools before them were not even integrated. Most teams that dominated before then are completely irrelevant now and most people don’t even know about them or more importantly, don’t care. Ask any one younger than 50 if they know who George Mikan was and you will get a blank stare, other than KU fans and some diehard college basketball fans, most will not even know who The Big Dipper was.

The dunk was reintroduced to college in 1976 and the 3 point shot who some conferences started using in 1981 was not standardized by the NCAA until 1986; Jordan played his entire college career without the 3 point shot and it took him 5 seasons in the NBA before he became a half way decent 3 point shooter. Can you imagine the game without those two plays. Modern college basketball starts in earnest in 1985 when the Tournament was expanded to 64 teams and term elite or a some people call it blue blood should be used from there on as the game as played today has very little resemblance to the game played in the earl days. Just my opinion.

Newman- will he stay or will he go? • Mar 12, 2018 03:14 PM

@BigBad

Remember Mario Chalmers? He was a turnover machine as a PG and if I recall correctly even
Jeff Hawkins played PG ahead of him until Ross Rob took over. Guess what position Mario ended up playing in the NBA. Newman has been bringing the ball up and so has Vick and Garret, so it is not like he cannot play PG, it is more that KU has the Conference and potential National POY playing PG, a luxury only a couple of teams have.

Second half of the season Newman has played himself into the draft and how well he does and by extension KU will dictate how high he goes on the draft

Bracketology thread for the next few weeks. • Mar 12, 2018 05:12 AM

Every year there are teams that most of us think should be in and get snubbed and teams that do get in that most of us think should no be in.

I posted before that I would not be surprised to see Michigan State as a 3 or even a 4 seed. The NCAA has a set of rules it uses to seed teams and its record against quadrant 1 and 2 was not good, partly because the Big 10 was weak and marginally better than the PAC 12 that only got 3 teams in and two of them are in the play-in games in Dayton.

Blue Blood Coaching • Mar 11, 2018 11:54 PM

@justanotherfan

You really should brush up on Duke’s history if you think they were good only with Coach K, I know you will be surprised.

Much like nobility from which the term “blue blood” comes from origin and status are not necessarily related. Many people confuse the term “blue blood” with “elite” which are not related since many original blue blood programs from the earlier days such as San Fancisco, La Salle, Loyola and many others are largely irrelevant now and, much like nobility, no one really cares who was good in the 30s, 40s or 50s or even 60s and 70s. The NCAA started in 1939 and the rules continued to change and wasn’t until the late 50s-early 60s that the game started to resemble what we have today. The current criteria for elite, or what some people call blue bloods, programs is how they performed since 1984 when the tournament was expanded to 64 teams; any thing before that is really not that relevant to the current status of college basketball.

Newman- will he stay or will he go? • Mar 11, 2018 07:10 PM

I believe Newman has done enough to be drafted. The next few games will determine how high he goes.

Why I hate WVU • Mar 11, 2018 06:26 PM

I would expect the Conference to do something about it, it reflects poorly not only on WVU and Huggins but the conference as well.

It would not surprise me if Fraschilla does not return as game commentator next season. Most KU fans are pretty fed up with him and some have a lot of influence with the AD and KU is the big dog in basketball in the conference.

Newman- will he stay or will he go? • Mar 11, 2018 05:15 PM

Watching the development of Newman from a “potential troubled” transfer to all-Conference and tournament MOP has been thing of beauty and a huge recruiting advantage. Other coaches should study what Coach Self has done and learn how to do it, it’s that good.

Newman- will he stay or will he go? • Mar 11, 2018 03:33 PM

Newman has likely played himself into the draft and a good run in the next few games might place him in the first round.

Why I hate WVU • Mar 11, 2018 03:30 PM

@Bwag

I agree with what you wrote. Remember the old Big 8 days when fouls were called for everything and teams were used to that type of whistle and then, at the NCAA, the refs would allow all kinds of fouls to go uncalled and conference teams would get mauled by other teams, particularly those from the Big 10 that has always allowed rough play. I winder how games will be called this year considering the trend to penalize defenses and favor offenses.

Frankly, I don’t get WVU style of play. Yes, it works against teams with weak guards but KU did not seem particularly bothered by it and just tired its own players.

Blue Blood Coaching • Mar 11, 2018 03:15 PM

@kjayhawks

“Blue blood” refers to origin or lineage and not to current status. UCLA and particularly Indiana might not be as relevant now as they once were but both are indeed Blue blood programs.

2019 Recruiting • Mar 11, 2018 02:54 PM

@Crimsonorblue22

I should try to catch a few of their games since my daughter graduated from Miege.

Back to HEM's question (amended) • Mar 11, 2018 02:27 PM

@KUSTEVE

Very nicely put. Spoken like a true a Jayhawk fan.

Back to HEM's question (amended) • Mar 11, 2018 06:44 AM

@mayjay

Apparently Ollie is a member of the University of Connecticut's branch of the American Association of University Professors, so the union is now involved" target="blank" rel="noopener">http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story//id/22717623/kevin-ollie-contest-uconn-huskies-decision-fire-just-cause) ↗ and it is bound to get ugly.

A couple that are friends of mine are both graduates of UConn and they tell me all the time the would change recent program histories with KU without hesitation. Yes, they have those titles including the fluke one in 2014, but most every year they worry if they will even make to the dance while at KU the question is whether it will be #1 or #2 seed.They believe KU fans are spoiled by the program’s continuous success.

I personally prefer the KU program as is over UConn.

Bracketology thread for the next few weeks. • Mar 10, 2018 02:01 PM

@Kcmatt7

WSU has some very good players and depth, lots of depth, something KU does not.

I don't know nothing • Mar 10, 2018 01:58 PM

@DoubleDD

Keep in mind that Lightfoot, much like Ellis, is really more of a SF playing PF because of need and now Center. He is overmatched at that position but doing great under the circumstances.

Blue Blood Coaching • Mar 10, 2018 01:54 PM

@KUSTEVE

Didn’t he have about the same last year? I have said before that a quality upperclassman will usually outperform a OAD.

Blue Blood Coaching • Mar 10, 2018 01:51 PM

Louisville is a fringe blue blood and a Pitino coached there and UK. Also since it was not specified head coaching, Dean Smith was an Assistant coach at KU and of course UNC.

Bracketology thread for the next few weeks. • Mar 10, 2018 01:41 PM

@KUSTEVE

If that is the case, I rather go West, but Lunardi is not the best so I am not worried...yet...

@Crimsonorblue22

LOL. The barn door is open?

Tripper • Mar 10, 2018 03:51 AM

Duke grads doing commentary are like...who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?

ESPN had the game listed on ESPN2 but it was on ESPN. It will be replayed tomorrow at 7:30 AM on ESPNU.

Doke • Mar 10, 2018 02:08 AM

@justanotherfan

John McEnroe called and said...you can’t possibly be serious.:smile:

Look at how the teams in both conferences are ranked according to Sagarin...

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9 out of 10 teams in the Big 12 are ranked in the top 45 with OSU at 45. 4 out of 14 teams in the Big 10 are ranked in the same top 45 and 10 teams in the Big 10 are ranked below OSU. OSU would be top 4 or top 5 in the Big 10. I will correct my prediction and say it would finish no worse than 13-5 probably 14-4.

So you don't like Mitch? • Mar 09, 2018 09:07 PM

@Kcmatt7

You said it so much better than I did. :thumbsup:

So you don't like Mitch? • Mar 09, 2018 08:51 PM

@truehawk93

50-50? He has taken a lot of obvious charges and yet he was called for blocking fouls. Refs seem to call fouls on him like they did on Josh Jackson last year. Having said that, I agree a couple of the fouls he was rightfully called for yesterday were silly.

So you don't like Mitch? • Mar 09, 2018 08:33 PM

@truehawk93

You can’t be soft and take as many charges as Mitch has taken; probably leads the team in that category.

Dean Wade Might Not Play Tomorrow • Mar 09, 2018 07:59 PM

@BShark

Duke came from 10 down to beat UNC last week and probably will beat them again tonight. No way, no how, no ma’am that UNC is a #1 seed.

On a happier note, KU has picked up 4 wins over UK and 1 over UNC in the all time wins.

So you don't like Mitch? • Mar 09, 2018 07:34 PM

After watching the S&M show...Silvio and Mitch for those of you with dirty minds, I am sure that Doke can take the first weekend off and KU will be fine.

Team seems to be peaking at the right time. Convincing win yesterday against a team that beat KU comfortably twice before and without the starting Center.

Dean Wade Might Not Play Tomorrow • Mar 09, 2018 07:23 PM

@mayjay

KSU is safely in, just a question of seeding at this time.

The Jayhawks, Big 12 and Kansas City. • Mar 09, 2018 07:21 PM

@mayjay

WVU won comfortably pulling away.

Dean Wade Might Not Play Tomorrow • Mar 09, 2018 04:48 PM

@mayjay

Everything seems to evolve from that one original article and anonymous sources; no offcial word that I have seen yet.

2019 Recruiting • Mar 09, 2018 04:45 PM

@FarmerJayhawk

If Malik continues playing like he did yesterday, he will play himself into the draft.

Doke • Mar 09, 2018 04:42 PM

@justanotherfan

You are concentrating on the games they lost and not the ones they won including KU twice, WVU, TTU, all top #4-#5 seeds. I can easily see the OSU going 12-6 in the Big 10.

@mayjay

Hey, Dean Wade...you jacket fits me just fine...

Moose • Mar 09, 2018 04:17 PM

@mayjay

We live in weird times, that much I know...

Doke • Mar 09, 2018 04:15 PM

@justanotherfan

Disagree. A team like OSU would have a winning conference record in just about any other conference. What do you think another OSU team, Ohio State, record would be in the Big 12?

Rumors Peters is on the block. • Mar 09, 2018 04:12 PM

@mayjay

Now that the Chargers are in LA it will get pretty crowded...I guess they can expand back to San Diego then...

Rumors Peters is on the block. • Mar 09, 2018 04:07 PM

@mayjay

Indeed, a pair of hot heads with inflated egos. I can see why teams would nor want the aggravation.

Moose • Mar 09, 2018 04:05 PM

@dylans

It would be beyond insane to sit Moose, who has a history of injuries, during his most productive years.

So you don't like Mitch? • Mar 09, 2018 04:03 PM

Sports Illustrated seems to like Mitch... ↗

Dean Wade Might Not Play Tomorrow • Mar 09, 2018 03:51 PM

@BeddieKU23

I guess Squeaky does not need to blame the refs now...

Everything Is Starting • Mar 09, 2018 03:47 PM

Mitch played good defense and took a few charges (something you don’t see on the scoreboard) at critical times.

Doke • Mar 09, 2018 03:43 PM

@justanotherfan

Yes, but... a 8-10 record in the Big12 is better than a 10-8 record in the Big 10 or just about any other conference.

Dean Wade Might Not Play Tomorrow • Mar 09, 2018 03:37 PM

@BShark

Hard to believe Squeaky would sit his best player, unless he absolutely has to, and basically concede the game to KU; any other team? Maybe. KU? Seriously doubt it.

The Jayhawks, Big 12 and Kansas City. • Mar 09, 2018 03:31 PM

Looks like Baylor might have played itself out of the dance with the loss to WVU.

Dean Wade Might Not Play Tomorrow • Mar 09, 2018 03:29 PM

@BShark

Interesting. As soon as KU knew Doke was injured the information was officially released. I have seen nothing official from KSU about Wade only unnamed sources.

Freed of the Burden of Doke, KU 56/40/73s OSU • Mar 09, 2018 03:27 PM

@BeddieKU23

Didn’t KU lost the previous 3 official games at the Sprint Center before yesterday? BTW, MU was not an official game.

Dean Wade Might Not Play Tomorrow • Mar 09, 2018 03:23 PM

@BShark

Is that info in the VIP section? I just checked GPC, 247Sports and Tim Fitzgerald Twitter account and I see nothing.

Dean Wade Might Not Play Tomorrow • Mar 09, 2018 03:07 PM

I don’t see any confirmation that Wade is injured other than the link posted above which has no verification or confirmation from a credible source.

Dean Wade Might Not Play Tomorrow • Mar 09, 2018 04:55 AM

Too bad for Wade. He is a really good player and seems like a great young man.

Game Day • Mar 09, 2018 04:42 AM

NEW-MAN-IA...is contagious, catch it. :smile: