I mentioned above that the Duke players were all over the backs of the BC players and nary a call; they would just look at the refs and shake their heads. Pathetic.
JayHawkFanToo
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Hey...Wesley slept at the Holiday Inn and played Wilt in the Wilt biopic. :smile:
More importantly, how many spots does Parrish drops Duke after Boston College beats them...and the refs. :smile:
I donât agree. Other than the Arizonas who else is a top team on the PAC 12? Washington will finish in the top third of the PAC 12.
I like Garret a lot and I said before he might be the steal of the class; perhaps the best defender on the team just needing experience to get to the next level.
I am starting to think that Newman is a better player in his mind that in reality. He shows flashes of brilliance but right now he is undisciplined and selfish; not something that Coach Self appreciates.
Duke in the double bonus before the 4th foul is called on BC. They are all over the back on both ends and no calls. The refs/ACC do not want Boston College winning this game.
On this we agree 100%. Peters is overrated, he gives receivers a big space always looking for the interception but in the process always gives up yards. I say trade him while he has some perceived value and let him be some other teamâs headache.
I donât believe Coach Self or any other coach would ever make an offer like this and keep it if the player is not performing. No way. It is more like...you will be given a chance to start and prove yourself and if you perform like we think you can, you will keep the starting position.
Malik has shown a selfish streak and if he does not stop he will find himself riding the pine.
Watching. As usual, Duke getting lots of favorable calls and still behind. Nice shiner on Day Tripper; apparently a teammate ran into him âaccidentallyâ...right...
On another KU basketball related news, AFH flooded but the court was not affected; expected to be ready for Sunday's game
Closest game they has was against Kansas State?
...a few? Like 100+? :smile:
...no, no, no, no eye patches, no depth perception and he would be whacking the air and not upside he head of the other player as intended. Just kidding. :smiley:
I have only one thing to say...
Again, way too nuanced (cute) for may taste. Let's call it a tie and move on?
...and no, I don't think it wins the conference. Big difference beating up Drake, Bradley or Missouri State than having to play OU, OSU, WVU, ISU, Texas Baylor and KU day in and day out. Beating weak teams gets you to the NCAA a lot fresher and healthier than playing a tough schedule.
I respect @HighEliteMajor and he usually makes good points but sometimes he tries too hard or tries to be too cute to make his point. That's all.
We all have our opinions and we don't always agree but as long as the discussion stays respectful and factual we all benefit from the information provide by all sides. It's all good.
What is wrong with some of you posters? Quitting on the team after one loss when the team has an enviable long term success? Heck we gave the football team the benefit of the doubt for half a season before quitting on it and considering it has a pathetic record.
Has anyone figured out why the basketball team, as soon as it added one football player, lost a game? Coincidence? Maybe it was trying to make Sosinski feel at home. :smile:
Oh no, you don't.
This is what you posted...
"If you go to ESPN, you can see the final rankings (USA Today) for WSU since 2012, starting with 2012 - 27, 4, 7, 11, 26, and 21. They are now ranked 6th. Since 2000, 17+ season, WSU has won 68.2% of their games. Since Marshall came in 2007, itâs 74.3% of their games."
Nowhere there indicates the percentage was achieved by playing in the MVC.
Afterwards you obliquely refer to WWU being in a "better" conference without mentioning which one...
"The only Big 12 team sniffing the winning percentage over that period of time is West Virginia (appx. 65%), acknowledging that WVU was in a better conference"
The Big 12 is not just "better" than an unnamed conference, it is orders of magnitude better than the MVC. The Big 12 routinely send 60%-70% of its teams to the NCAA Tournament the MVC 10%.
Do you know how many MVC championships WSU has won in the last 20 years in the MVC? 6 including 1 by Turgeon. Do you know how many MVC Tournament Titles it has in the last 20 years? Would you believe 2? That is correct, just 2. Again, the most teams the MVC has sent to the NCAA is 2 (20%) while the Big 12 routinely send 6 or 7 teams (60%-70%). I am confident that if WSU played in the Big 12 it would have been a middle of the pack team at best although in the last few years it could have been definitely top half.
Additional information just came out. According to Jason Whitlock â, LiAngelo's credit card was declined (so much for the Ball's credit) at the Louis Vuitton store and this is why he shoplifted the sun glasses.
At his press conference, LiAngelo threw his teammates under the bus indicating they were the leaders but as it turn out, he is the only one that shoplifted at all 3 places; good thing for him he is not going back to UCLA.
I just don't see them playing pro ball anywhere; one is not good enough and the othre too young to know. China would have been a potential landing spot but I am sure it is no longer an option; having signed with an agent college is out of the question. At this time, the only place I see them ending up is at the WWE, WWF or whatever is is called these days.
You make valid point but there is just one that is misleading at best and disingenuous at worst. The overall winning percentage for WSU is based largely from playing in a super weak Missouri Valley Conference that routinely sent just one team to the dance and also routinely had all teams except one or maybe 2 ranked below the top 100 and where WSU piled up wins. Had WSU played in the Big 12 or other major conference, do you think its wining percentage would be even close to what is it now? I don't think so.
I would not be opposed to playing WSU even when it benefits them more than KU but it is good for basketball in the State. No question the audience would be regional at best and no way it has a big national audience; WSU, as good as it has been lately, still does not have a national recognition or appeal that KU has.
Missouri is a different case all together. I just don't see it being a home and home game; who wants to go to Columbia and have to put up with the Antlers at Plaige Arena? The game would likely be an annual event at the Sprint Center where KU does not play well and has lost the last 3 non-exhibition games it has played there and all the money stays out of state. Zero upside for KU.
The fund raiser was a novelty with MU fans wanting to show off their once in a couple of dozen years recruiting class and KU wanting to show them who is still top dog; the novelty has now worn off and the interest is greatly diminished. Another player just transferred out of MU and the upcoming class is nowhere near the current class and MU will gradually fade away until Martin get his 3 years in and bolts barely ahead of the "firing" squad as he as done at his last 3 stops. Let's wait and see if they improve before agreeing to play them on a continuous basis.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
His ranking is not an indicator on whether KU will win the NCAA but how it ranks compared to other teams. I cannot think of a single time when a top 2 or even a top 5 ...or 10 team lost one game to an unranked team and dropped 22 places.
He uses Pomeroy's data for his ranking but Pomeroy has KU as #4...wait, what? The numbers he is using have KU as #4 but he feels it should be #24...KenPom is probably shaking his head and saying...please, don't use my data like this, better yet, don't use it at all. BTW, Sagarin and Massey have KU as #7 and every other ranking I have seen has KU between #4 and #7. Yes, a drop is understandable, warranted an defensible by all the way from #2 to #24? No way.
Nothing succeeds like success...when a team is not winning attendance and audience drops. I donât know if you were around in the early 80s when KU was not winning and average attendance dropped under 10,000; in fact during the Ted Owens tenure, the capacity of AFH was dropped to 15,000 since the average attendance then and before was in the 12k range and it did not increase until Larry Brown and Roy Williams started winning and the capacity increased to the current 16,300.
Look at MU and how attendance dropped to the low thousands when it started to lose and is way back up when the team is better. WSU is not that different attendance fluctuates as the team succeeds or fails.
WSU has a largely local regional audience and I would say that a large percentage of its fan base is within 100 miles while KU basketball is much larger with primarily a State and Mid West following and also gathers a national audience by virtue of its success.
A game with WSU would have a very limited regional audience the same way that say, a Washington - Washington State would have in the rest of the country. Nike does not play a role, shoeco or other loony conspiracies notwithstanding. Nike has the big moneymaker football programs in the region and has little interest in KU with its putrid football program.
I would be more agreeable to a game with WSU than MU since the first is currently a MUCH better program and also helps the state at large. No question the game has a much bigger upside for WSU and a larger downside for KU. Playing MU has little benefit for KU since in 3 years when Martin quits being the novelty, stops winning and leaves, the program will go back to its rightful state of mediocrity while WSU appears to be in good shape to stay relevant, at least while Marshall is there.
This post also addresses other issues raised by other posters.
I agree that the article gives an explanation but I would not call it coherent. He uses Pomeroyâs rankings for his own ranking using the upset as the criterion even when upsets are just that, upsets and not really representative of the true quality of teams; in fact and after the upset loss by KU, Pomeroy has it still ranked #4 which makes Goodmanâs ranking look silly.
Peters has always been a troublemaker and a hot head. As a junior Peters was suspended one game for a "sideline tantrum" and he was later dismissed from the team for disciplinary issues. Nothing new with his attitude. I say trade him while he has some value and before he becomes the next Kaepernick.
It shows he is too damn lazy to research the teams and picks one silly criteria to justify his bias...and laziness.
Funny thing is that Ken Pomeroy â, whose numbers he is using, has KU at #4 which makes him look like an idiot. If you want a really bad ranking look at this one â and check which team is #2...good for a laugh.
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@JayHawkFanToo I guess we have that right. Personally I think he's an a$$đł
No need to guess, you absolutely have that right, I never said you didnât and you are certainly entitled to your opinion...and so am I.
Time to move on?
@JayHawkFanToo WSU was the lower seed in the battle for New Orleans, they shouldâve won.
Wichita State was a #6 seed and KU #7 so WSU was actually the higher seed, but really, a negligible difference and it did win the game although KU gave it away at the end with the missed layup.
Say what you want about WSU but they have had a heck of a run in the last few years and they beat KU last time they played. Many analysts are calling WSU the Gonzaga of the Mid West.
I don't understand why some KU fans feel the need to constantly put down WSU and Marshall. WSU is currently a real good program and Marshall a top 10 if not a top 5 coach. Considering last night's performance, I am not sure KU can beat WSU.
By now, I believe most Chiefs fans feel the same way.
I think you are missing the point. Washington conceded points in the paint and whoever played there was going to have that many if not more. KU routinely scores more than that from the inside, it is the outside game that was not clicking and the main factor for the loss...in my opinion and sounds like other's as well.
I think you missed the gist of my post.
Washington basically told KU we will let you have all the points you can get in the paint but nothing from the outside. 28 points from the paint will not do it when nothing else is going.
I agree with @BeddieKU23. Didn't the announcers say he should have 50 or 60 or words to that effect?
At this time the best option is Preston...or Susinsky suddenly becoming the second coming of Chucky Cheese.
Spot on. Vick did not make them pay up enough inside so they let him have the short jumper. Against Syracuse he passed outside for the 3 and people were complaining he was not shooting enough...so much for that.
Thank you for your calm and levelheaded analysis.
Interesting that every time that KU loses people come out of the woodwork asking what is wrong with Hall of Fame Coach Self and wonder how KU ever wins.
Yes, It was a bad game but it was just one game. KU will get back on the winning track, it always has; let's worry when it loses 3 or 4 in a row.
You don't see a lot of short shots because the trend is to hit the 3 or dunk. The short jumper is a very good option by it does not have the pizazz of the others so it is becoming a lost art.
Frank has been extremely efficient in the time he has played.
On a separate note, I just notice Brandon Rush had been waived by the Bucks and it is not currently playing in the NBA.
The team is shorthanded, no getting around this.
If Vick was hitting the floater consistently, the zone would have been pulled in freeing the long range shooters and Vick does not get 50. If they don't adjust and Vick gets 50 KU wins.
Live by the 3, die by the 3. Until KU figures out how to attack the extended zone, I have a hunch it is going to see a lot of extended zones in the near future.
Vick did not look comfortable with floater. He has the speed and agility to go around the defender for a layup or dunk which he did successfully a few time but he missed too many of the short floaters.
Remember the "Battle of New Orleans"? Just sayin...
As I posted on another thread, while Vick led in scoring, he missed a lot of close shots that he should have made. He was 12-23 overall and 0-2 from 3 which translates to 12-21 from well inside the paint. If he scores another 4 or 5 baskets, the zone probably collapses and Devonte has 4 or 5 more assists.
KU just does not shoot well at the Sprint Center.
The Self did not adjust part. The right scheme was in place to have Vick score at will and collapse the zone and the players just had a bad, bad night.
KU does not play well at the Sprint Center. If you include the Missouri game, these are 3 games in a row that KU shot poorly from the field. Yes, KU has a good record there but most wins are games it should have won anyway.
That is not correct. Vick was free to shoot the very short jumper and considering he shoots a high percentage from the FT, he should have gone 80% from where he shot and he did not. If he is hitting 80% from there, the defense would have pulled in freeing the 3-point shot, but his inconsistency inside gave Washington the chance to play the extended zone.
While Vick provided the bulk of the scoring he really should have had a lot more point. He was left wide open the entire 39 minutes he played and he could have driven to the basket every time and all the shots he missed were from well inside the paint.
I would have settled for anyone hitting 3s last night.
Worse half of the season. Donât seem to know how to deal with the extended zone. Hopefully Coach Self can get them straightened at half time.