Has anyone ever been banned in this forum before? I can’t seem to recall anyone...
JayHawkFanToo
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Good, I guess I had all the correct information but I just did not remember they had actually been placed on probation...my memory is not what it used to be...
School are accredited by regional and national, public and private accreditation agencies which in turn are recognized and approved by the Department of Education. The Department of Education itself does not accredit schools but recognizes the Accreditor. To receive federal funds, a school must be accredited by one or more of these accreditation groups which in turn must be recognized by the Department of Education. Withdrawal of accreditation would have to be made by the group that granted the accreditation in the first place.
When this issue first became known, I seem to remember the accreditation group that deals with UNC starting an investigation but I don’t believe it ever acted on it. Losing accreditation would basically mean the end of business for a school. I would guess that it ever happens it would be restricted to a specific program and more likely would be probation more so than a permanent loss of accreditation.
Department of Education could probably withhold federal fund but the accreditation groups would have the biggest voice if the withdraw accreditation. Student would not go to a non-accredited school.
jaybate 1.0 said:
And I hope someday we sign a 5-star OAD.
You mean one like Wiggins or Embiid or Josh Jackson or Diallo or Oubre or Alexander...? All 5-Star OADs...
Agree on RussRob. He came in to KU as a scorer and almost left the program when he was asked to be a ball distributor. Once he embraced the role, he became the key component for the ‘07-‘08 Title team.
Your post is there. I have noticed that posts frequently do not display, particularly if you scroll up, I know it happens on the iPad; you need to refresh the browser and it will show up again.
As far as the schedule, on short notice you really do not have much of a choice and have to take what is available. There are events scheduled months, even years in advance and many of those require stages that take days to setup. BTW, the Chiefs are not playing that Sunday.
...and...this is why I wrote players, not athletes. KU has decent athletes who have not yet developed into players.
Frank Mason is not just a great player but a class individual as well. A great ambassador for the program.
It is apparent that we just don’t have the players...or coaching staff...to be competitive in the conference. Yes, the conference as a whole is better than last year but our team is not even a good as it was and it seems headed in the wrong direction. At this point I am not sayin KU should be winning but it should at least be competitive and a 45 point pasting at ISU indicates it is not.
Oh well...at least we have a kickass basketball program.
My point is not how good or bad they are, if they would be 5 or 4 or even 3 stars the would likely be playing somewhere else. These kids are playing their hearts out within their limitations and they deserve a little respect from their fellow Jayhawks. You would not call your own kid names because, even when trying his best, he is not good enough to compete against more talented players, would you? This is all I am sayin’...
I would prefer we keep it civil and do go on calling KU players a piece of crap. I am sure Bender is doing the best he can within his obvious limitations. Take it on the coaching staff, they make the big bucks and are responsible for this fiasco but the players deserve at least some respect. Just my personal opinion and you can take for what it’s worth.
If Devonte is anywhere close to what Mason did as a senior, Vick might be tempted to come back and be the team leader and follow on Mason and Graham footsteps.
Wiggins and Embiid? Went 1 and 3 in the draft...
Crimson and blue actually...sending a subliminal message to Zion. 😂
Kcmatt7 said:
@dylans I had no idea there were so many people here that are against donating money to charity. Talk about showing true colors.
There you go again with your worn out straw man. NOBODY is against donating to charity...N-O-B-O-D-Y. In fact is quite the opposite. Many of us have indicated that we should donate money to charity because it is the right thing to do and not because we expect something, i.e. a game, in return like you appear to endorse. Keep telling yourself this if it makes you feel better.
How does this game effect KU in any way. How does this game prop up MU in any way? The game won't even be televised Nationally. It is almost literally a pickup game that will be televised.
At this time the MU program is barely sticking out its head from the dumpster fire it has been in recent years and where it will go back after Martin leaves after the customary 3 years. Playing KU gives the program credibility and exposure it badly needs. Playing Wichita State could have raised as much, and if you consider the potential side bets between the Koch’s and some of KU’s well heeled donors, considerably more. The headline would have been Kansas teams raise lots of money for charity and challenge Missouri teams to do the same...much better all around.
Remember when I suggested it would a glorified scrimmage? I was told this would not be the case; you guys that favor this game should make up your minds.
Wichita State would have sold out every bit as fast.
Perhaps not quite as high in talent but as far as drama this one is tops...and we still have Grimes, Langford and Williamson...
You can replace OAD with first year player/rookie/newbie...
IMHO, a very good upper class man will generally be better/more productive than a OAD...with a few exceptions, of course.
Since Coach Self is the highest paid KU employee, I used the term "figuratively;" many other decision makers above Coach Self.
Moore will be a junior when he is eligible to play for KU, right?
Do you think the decision was made by people above his pay grade? figuratively speaking, of course...
Once Jayhawk always a Jayhawk. Let's remember that Mark Turgeon played for KU so he will always be a Jayhawk and as such, he deserves respect and our best wishes. If KU is not going to get a top prospect, I prefer he goes to a school coached by a former Jayhawk.
FWIW, five CB changes since yesterday, 3 for KU and 2 for Maryland. Overall it is still 80% KU but it really means very little since most prediction are fairly dated but then, maybe raters did not feel they needed to change their predictions...who knows.
It shows up during Google searches....
I wonder if Maryland fans are pointing at this thread and saying KU fans gave up on Devon...
Kcmatt7 said:
@JayHawkFanToo I didn't refer to you in that scenario. I will be glad to agree to disagree with you, on the basis that I feel like you did absolutely no research or math or anything to further your argument other than rely on your stubbornness, emotions and assumptions.
...and yet you are still getting personal. SMH.
mayjay said:
@JayHawkFanToo @Crimsonorblue22
@HighEliteMajor and I have previously disagreed on the issue of playing them, but not this time. I am surprised at the amount of resistance, because I always thought the best argument against playing was that there was no really good reason to. Now there is.
People also need to realize how much the kids might want to do this. They may have seen the fundraising efforts of UK. Many come from highly disadvantaged backgrounds and want to do something to help the many people who have been left virtually destitute by the storms. A game that brings enemies together for a good cause is a no-brainer. And pretty welcome as an example, actually, as our culture keeps careening toward deep rifts that threaten to become permanent.
As to all the worry about injury possibilities, if the coaches are willing to risk it, I don't think they need our oversight on what is wise. If the game were to be forced on the coaches, I would feel different, but why trust HCBS on everything about running his team except this?
HEM and I have used the divorcing spouses analogy before. In this case, it is like two spouses who hate each other working together to provide desperately needed emergency care to their kid.
There is a time to set aside grievances in service of a greater good. And consider the headlines if petulance rules the day: "KU Won't Play Mizzou Even To Raise Money For Hurricane Victims: Angry Fanbase Says It Isn't Worth It" with a sidebar on the UK total and other fundraising efforts.
Doesn't the level of resistance to this game give you pause? Are you right and well over 90% of fans wrong (according to most threads I have seen in several sports sites and social media)?
What makes you think the players want this? Most of the players have little knowledge of what happened in the past and how Missouri's actions seriously jeopardized KU sports viability. Had the conference dissolved, there was a good chance KU ends up in the Mountain West conference as many predicted.
In sports, I do not consider Missouri "the enemy," just a neighbor I with whom I prefer not to associate.
According to many studies, a good deal of sports injuries happen during practice before the season starts because athletes have not yet reached peak condition. This is why teams are brought along slowly and exhibition games scheduled before competition starts. Playing what could be a highly competitive game would not seem advisable hence my opinion that it might not be played at full speed.
Maybe the headline should be Kansas teams (KU-WSU-KSU) raise money for hurricane victims, challenge Missouri teams to do the same. BTW, I did not see UK playing anyone to raise money, right?
Last and more important, in your divorce from HEM, who is the husband and who is the wife? Inquiring minds want to know. :smiley:
Kcmatt7 said:
@HighEliteMajor Right? I call someone selfish for not wanting money to be donated to charity (not even asking them to donate the money themselves) and get crap from the very same person who then calls other people trash without knowing what they do on their own time.
Are you referring to me? I have already donated to the Harvey and Florida victims since I have many friend in that state where my father lived for 20 years. Furthermore, I don't have any problem with anyone else donating and I don't seem to recall calling other people trash.
The exhibition games that KU and every other major program play are just that, exhibition games, where players do not have to go full blast because even at a fourth speed they will win the game and it helps in-state schools a great deal; you might say they are fundraisers of sort for those schools. These games are scheduled precisely because players have not yet reached their peak physical conditioning and less stressful games are need to are gradually get there. If KU plays MU, do you think that MU will come to have a simple exhibition game where both teams play a relaxed game just to entertain? Nope, they will come to get a win at all costs because for the first time in many years they believe they have a decent team and who knows when it will be the next time both teams play again.
I would be more open to playinmg Wichita State and make it an all-Kansas game and it probably raise as much or more money. Better yet, I would have preferred they charge a small admission fee to late night with all the proceed going to charity; a $10 fee would have raised $150K easily and with additional donation it could have been much higher.
Last, we all have our own opinions on the subject and we should respect them regardless of how different they are to ours. We can agree to respectfully disagree without getting personal, right?
And what taxes would that be? The Sprint Center is owned by the City and has a managing partner that runs the place and takes a percentage off the top, the rest is used to pay the bonds that were issued for the construction and currently, the revenue is not enough to pay the bonds and the city/tax payers have to foot the difference. The Sprint Center is in no position to give away badly needed revenue.
Do you really think the coaches will allow players go full blast for a meaningless exhibition game? The Italy trips was used to evaluate the level of play for the various plasters/lineups and I am pretty sure the coaching staff has it all pretty much figured out by now. If played, this will be no more than a exhibition scrimage, much like ones the team plays in the summer with former players. Can you imagine what would happen if they go full blast and one of the key players, say Doke, gets injured and is out for the season? That would pretty much ruin the entire season; no way Coach Self risks it in a meaningless game. Other than some early press, zero upside for a KU.
I respectfully disagree with you. Nobody used the word threaten, you did. A lot of people have donated already, I have, and would prefer to donate directly instead of doing it just because of a game.
You are questioning other people’s motives and priorities without knowing what they are. I don’t question your thinking or priorities on the subject and I am sure that you have your own reasons. It would be nice if you extend us who don’t agree with you the same courtesy.
BTW, wouldn’t it be less selfish to donate just because it is the right thing to do than doing it because you get to see a game? Isn’t it more of a quid pro quo than a donation?
Coach Self has indicated in the past that KU does not make much money playing in KC ($100K) and it only does it for the fans in the Metro area; KU makes more than 6 times that amount at a AFH. If you want to really raise money, play the game at AFH. The game itself will likely be a little more than a glorified scrimmage as the teams will not risk players on a meaningless exhibition game and mostly backups will play. I don’t believe you can expect people to pay full ticket costs.
I would too.
I am not sure the NCAA would be that open to this game since it would open a floodgate of "charity" games as a way of getting an extra game before the season.
At this point, and as good as Embiid appears to be, his longevity and health are a huge question mark and the 76rs are taking a big but calculated chance with a contract that apparently has "staying healthy" clauses and I would suspect a hefty insurance policy to back it all up. He could easily end up being one of the better players of all time or the next Greg Oden; perhaps more of a Yao Ming who had a very successful career albeit a short one due to injuries.
I am confused. If it is NOT an NCAA sanctioned game, can they actually play and not get in trouble?
If Facebook is an indication (considerably larger sample than our forum), the overwhelming majority of fans do not want this game. Most indicated they would donate if KU does not play MU.
I say, if we are going to play another Division I team, let's play another top program and raise some serious money instead of giving publicity to MU.
The small schools KU plays in the exhibition games, such as Pitt State, Fort Hayes, Emporia and so on derive the bulk of their budget from that one exhibition game and they use it as a big recruiting tool with players that otherwise would not play at AFH. It was started as a way of helping “Kansas” small program and it has helped these programs immensely so, I just don’t see it ending any time soon.
I would rather have the charity exhibition game against another blue blood; MU would not be my first choice, or second or hundredth...
I am not sure I would agree with that. Mason was pre-season First Team All-Conference and he was on all the lists for POY and other awards essentially from the beginning of the season. Half way through the season he started to place some distance with the other candidates and was the runaway leader by the end of the season.
Devonte is in a similar position this year and it is up to him to make the most of it.
The lazy and biased media now appears to be in a state of publishing anything to get clicks regardless of whether the story has any foundation. It is the proverbial ...it is easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission...or in this case...it is easier to publish a story with no facts to back it up and then issue a retraction on the back pages at a later date than to get the story right in the first place. It seems to be the current status of most main stream media and now extended to minor publications. The old style journalism is now a thing of the past.
Oubre 10 points, 14 rebounds, 2 steals and 2 blocks in 26 minutes.
To these 2 contracts add the ones of Mason, Selden, Jamari, Ellis, Tarik and Lucas, the 2013-2o14 team will be collecting about one third of $1B...amazing.
I believe Svi was at the game. Good to see basketball players supporting other varsity teams.
KSU has already gotten a taste of what life will be like without Snyder...remember the Ron Prince years?
I would hire Snyder as HC at KU any time, he is that good.
KU to win all games. I know I will be at least 83% correct. 😊
Bummer...😩
That fourth set was ugly...
Tickets are a hit commodity right now.🤑
Strong finish for the third set. Hopefully they keep the pedal to the metal and take the next set and game.