Agreed. Dominated first set and got too confident.
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You missed a very important one, perhaps even the most important...mental skills/acuity, sports/game IQ.
I see HOF players such as John Stockton, Steve Nash and even Larry Bird that had the first category you mentioned but were average athletes with average build but whose knowledge/awareness of the game or what we commonly call basketball IQ made them superior players.
The reality of playing in the Euro Leagues can be quite different than the cleansed stories we read. You can read former ISU player Paul Shirley's book "Can I Keep My Jersey?: 11 Teams, 5 Countries, and 4 Years in My Life as a Basketball Vagabond, ↗" it will give you a better idea of what playing overseas is like.
Interesting recruiting story ↗ about KU target Zion Williamson"s measurements; the dude is huge...
Interesting predictions here ↗, like KU winning the conference by 3 games. I believe KU should and will win the conference comfortably but by 3 full games? I am not sure that will be the case considering how solid the conference is.
FWIW, Garret played PG in HS and was selected the Gatorade POY in Texas ↗, a State that has pretty decent HS basketball; he led his team to the State semi-finals. He had one really good game in Italy and HC Self called him the best player on the court ↗ and indicated that he can play 1-4.
I believe he would be an adequate PG if needed.
Good points. If the defense could step up as much as the offense has, the team could be competitive.
I had high hopes for this team but I just don’t see it winning a game the rest of the season.
I keep thinking that Garret might be the one big positive surprise. He played PG in HS and has height and athleticism and basically can play and defend 3 positions, maybe even 4.
I am on the side that believes all these alleged invitations are mostly wishful thinking. The talk a few years ago when the conference almost imploded was that Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas Universities were being considered by the PAC12 but states insisted that the kid brothers, i.e. Texas Tech., OSU and KSU needed to come along which put a stop to that version. Again, probably some truth to it but more likely an exaggeration of what actually went on.
I do remember the Governor of Missouri and I believe the AD as well publicly lobbying for an invitation to the Big10, which in turn started the Big 12 crisis, only to be rebuffed with the corresponding and embarrassing loss of face.
I personally believe 10 is the perfect number of members for a conference and the Big 12 seems to be doing very well financially.
Are we talking about the Anschutz Sports Pavilion or another facility? I would think that football is a the top of the pecking order when it comes to schedule indoor practice time and the football team does not usually make it past November anyway. :smile:
I am still curious why the team had to go to KC and where in KC it went?
Svi is a good passer but that is not his primary role so his number are not high but you can tell he has good basketball IQ.
If this is the case, why would they be wanting to spend $250M to fix the stadium and football facilities?
I personally believe that if the team does not improve, KU will fall short of raising the money. The team should be fixed first and then the stadium.
If the team puts a quality product, the fans will come. They came when Mangino was winning and AFH, a 60+ year old facility which is substantially the same as when first built, sells out every game because a quality/winning product plays there.
I said it before and I will say it again...if an elite PG is afraid of competition from a player like Moore (no disrespect intended), do you really want that player?
Moore is a good or even a very good player but I am not sure anyone would call him elite.
My point was that in a pinch, it sure would be closer than KC where arrangements would also have to be made with the facility, which I take would be the Chiefs practice facility?
I am curious when and why this was necessary. Doesn’t KU have the Anschutz Sports Pavilion where the various teams can practice indoors if needed?
Like I said, I seem to remember a member moving to the Middle East and the name that came to mind was ICT; it must be someone else.🤔
Fair enough, ISU beating OU on the road proves it. However, shouldn't KU at least keep up with the conference overall improvement? The only program that is in similar dire straights is Baylor which fell from grace because of off-the-field issues. Yesterday was embarrassing and most of the fans were gone well before the game was over, which for all practical purposes was half way through the first quarter. We are now back to being mauled at home by 40+ points by a middle of the pack conference team...and I would think the coach's job is pretty much on the line and I just don't see a game left where KU will be competitive let alone win.
There's is huge amount of money planning to be spent in renovating the stadium which will look even emptier if the team does not improve. I understand that in a way is a chicken/egg thing about facilities and program progress but I rather have the current stadium sold out and a winning program like in the Mangino years than a one third full, state of the art stadium and a mediocre program. AFH is over 60 years old and has had only minor improvements, mostly to install up to date electronics but the bulk of the facility is still the same with bleacher seating (what other elite program arena has this?) and still sells out every game because the basketball program delivers a quality product.
Most of my post is not a direct response to your post and it just venting frustration on the current status of the football program with no visible light at the end of the tunnel.
I seem to remember the original ICT mentioning something about being in or moving to the Middle East because of work.
This preseason I was the most excited about the team as I have been since the Mangino glory years. The team was supposed to have decent players and experience, someone even said one of the better defenses in the conference. Now, I am even more disappointed than I was excited; it sure looks like the teams has regressed and we are back to being rolled at home. I just don't see any games that will even be close...maybe Baylor?...right...
The only consolation we have is that basketball is right around the corner and it does not disappoint.
Acording to the radio broadcast, KU is getting royally screwed by the refs.
Didn't someone predicted at one time this was a winable game? Must have thought KU was playing Texas Tech. High School.
I will give it a try...OU, UT, TCU and Tech. over KU in a high scoring game
Last years 3-pt shooting had Devonte at 38.8%, Svi at 39.8% and Vick at 37.0% so all 3 of them are candidates to shot the 3 along with Newman and of course you also have my favorite Mitch Lightfoot that shot 66.7%.
In Italy:
- Newman: 9-18 - 50%, including the second game when he sot 0-3 and the last game when he shot 6-8.
- Devonte: 9-22 - 41%, including the last game when he shot 1-8.
- Svi: 7-17 - 41%, including the third game when he shot 1-7.
- Vick: 4-10 - 40%, including the fourth game when he shot 1-3.
Looks like they all had one off-game out of 4 but the averages look good so far and I would expect all of them to shoot close to or better than 40%.
Fair enough except there is no information or precedent that I know that he was or had been corrupt in the past. He was widely considered one of the best ADs in the business and, as you mentioned, even KU had considered him for the position.
All schools have to submit extensive financial reports to the Department of Education and all entities associated with the program have strict accounting and reporting requirements ad well.
The program valuation was done by the Wall Street Journal, a reputable source, as well as many other publications. The last one I found was from March, 2016; you can take it for what it's worth.
Vanderbilt injured his foot and he will be out for at least 3 months and his chances of being OAD likely diminished. Kyrie Irving was injured most of his only season at Duke and did not hurt him at all and was the first pick of the draft, he was a much better prospect than Vanderbilt though.
I am not sure that he would have acted the same way at KU.
In Spanish there is an expression...la occasion hace al ladron...which roughly translates to...opportunity makes the thief...or perhaps a more appropriate...a bad padlock invites a picklock. I would guess that the culture of corruption at Louisville was fertile grounds for wrongdoing. With Bill Self, the proverbial Boy Scout as Head Coach and a number of very decent people at the Williams Education Fund, it is more likely that he would not have pulled the same shenanigans at KU...but I could be wrong.
Isn't this article ↗ misleading? At the US Junior mini camp the squid will actually have a captive audience to recruit filled with top players, several UK prospects/targets, and muck like coach rate face, an unfair advantage.
I am not sure I would call Light foot a guard of any sort. I would say that he is built as a SF but plays PF and this is how KU has him listed in the roster.
KU has several players that can play SF/Wing but it is very thin at PF (Preston) and Center (Doke) so my guess is he will continue to play one of these two positions, primarily PF.
If he has any brains and a good attorney he will have plausible deniability, lots of cover and multi-layers of separation with the known law breakers.
I believe that much like Al Capone, a great number of the people caught in the dragnet will be convicted of tax evasion if they did not declare the payoffs. Afterwards, the NCAA will jump in to pick what is left of the the carcasses.
Considering that Louisville is essentially broke, I guess it now makes KU the most valuable team in college basketball since it had been consistently ranked second to Louisville.
You both make interesting and valid points.
Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely - Lord Acton
I believe we have all seen games where power gets to a ref's head and acts as a dictator rather than a referee and common sense and fairness go out the window.
The best refereed game is when there is no mention of it in the post-game commentary. Refs should be seen and not talked about.
I replied earlier but my post is not showing, oh well...
I said that programs like the UConn women's basketball loses 2 or 3 All American year in and year out and continues to win big and it has set the standard for continued excellence for a program. Hopefully KU can do something similar and become a top 10 fixture moving forward; the new upgraded facility will certainly help.
Now that the program is riding high, hopefully they are recruiting top players so the program will reload rather than rebuild.
I really enjoy women's volleyball, it is a fun sport to watch and having a top team to cheer for makes it even better. Hopefully the program will stay a top 10 fixture.
Ladies came out on fire after losing the third set; good win. Playing in the big arena with so few fans looks more like practice than a game. I like the KU set up better and with the planned improvements the new place will be awesome.
I think you probably had the Perry Ellis team story in your mind...:smile:
You are really overthinking Late Night. It is nothing more than a fun marketing tool to showcase the program to high level prospects and show the team can draw a full house even when there is no game. No doubt that a loud, full Field House sends a powerful message.
While you can get quick glimpses of the various players, I am not sure anyone, least of all Coach Self, makes much of the scrimmage and it is nothing more than an unstructured practice for fun and nothing more.
Relax, lay back and enjoy the spectacle which hopefully will tie us over until the real season begins.
I am surprised he did not get calls from KSU fans saying...F**k KU..:smiley:
I would tell him that and it would not be a problem since Svi and Devonte will be gone and likely Vick as well...:smiley:
Isn't 4-5 years in college the norm? All 3 KU players named are 4 year players. Oh well...
I seem to remember the talk was that Wiggins had been assured he would have plenty of playing time and Oubre was promised Wiggins spot. Other than that, I cannot recall any other players being promised playing time, although some players like Josh Jackson pretty much know they will get playing time.
The comment was about another sports streak at the time, can't remember which, but necessarily championships and more like the Cleveland Streak in baseball this season.
He also had a system to bet on dog races, which were popular in KC at the time, that relied on regression and seemed to work for him, among other things. He was not a big money gambler but a steady gambler and he seemed to be successful at it. The comment always stuck with me and I have heard many gamblers in Vegas say the same thing. I used to go to Vegas a couple of times a year but have not been there recently and I have no plans to go anytime soon.
And thusly, I hie myself thither!
O, God-i-god-en, hie thyself thither to political forum where nary my soul nor spirit shall be found.
Don't forget that KU still has Charlie Moore, a very good PG that will have a full season of experience at KU and Markese Jacobs in 2019. Also, Marcus Garret can always play some PG. I know many think he cannot play PG in Division I but he was named the Texas Gatorade player of the year playing PG; I think he can and at 6'5" he would be a very tall PG and a nightmare to guard.
So, you are now the ultimate arbiter? Go it.
Interesting that you completely ignored the information (@HighEliteMajor and) I provided, even when I mentioned you specifically, and went directly to what fits your narrative.
Not surprising how quickly this turned into politics.
P.S. I wonder how long before the NCAA places Cleveland State on probation.
A very successful gambler once told me...you never bet against the streak. The rationale was that if you started to bet for the streak when it was 4 0r 5 championships, you would have won 8 or 9 times already and will win probably more before you lose once...or something to that effect. :smiley:
Then you can provide context. Your point appears to be that when a prosecutor files charges there will be a conviction, regardless of the merits of the case. My point was that charges are filed all the time, many times unfairly, with insufficient or tainted evidence or with the sole purpose to get leverage to convict someone else and in the process ruining someones life. I would like to think that how a conviction is obtained still matters to some of us.
I will give you a high profile example, O.J. Simpson. He was tried for a very serious crime, murder of his former wife and friend, and found not guilty even when just abut anybody with a brain though he was guilty; I certainly thought he was. Move forward a few years and he was prosecuted in Vegas for going into a hotel room to recover memorabilia that he claims was stolen from him. The prosecutors charged him with multiple felony counts, including criminal conspiracy, kidnapping, assault, robbery, and using a deadly weapon which was never proven that he had one. The prosecutors got the other defendants to testify against Simpson in exchange for much reduced sentences and he was sentence to 33 years, which most experts I heard indicated was grossly excessive and disproportionate and likely a make up for the crime he got away; criminals convicted of murder have gotten away with smaller sentences. Many say it was karma but this is not the way our system of justice should be.
Should he have been found guilty in the first case? Absolutely yes. Should he have been given the sentence he was in the other? Absolutely not. I believe both were miscarriages of justice and two wrongs don't make a right. This is just my opinion.
A few years back, my wife, along with several other drivers, were waiting at the traffic light during rush hour at 119th street on the street that goes to Target in Olathe, if you are familiar with the city. A large truck run the traffic light at Mur-Len and plowed into one of the stopped cars which in turn hit the car in front and so on; all together 6 cars were involved and her car was the third from the car hit. The Police came and issued tickets to all drivers for hitting the car in front...really? Insurance companies quickly settled because it was clear who was at fault, but the City was a different issue. I talked to the Police supervisor which was apologetic and initiated that it was out of his hands and we had to talk to the prosecuting attorney. The prosecuting attorney refused to drop the charges and indicated she would have to plead guilty, pay a large fine and it would go on her driving record and he would not budge...REALLY? It was only after the insurance companies attorneys got together and threaten to sue the city that the charges were finally dropped. I remember that day well, September 13th, since I was on my way back from the airport after a business trip and headed to the hospital where my daughter was about to give birth to my grandson when I got the call from my wife about the accident.
See? How charges are filed and conviction are obtained matters to some of us. It might actually happen to you sometime.
I asked you about a very specific case involving athletes and a high profile schools and you chose not to answer.
If you really believe that prosecutor at all levels are squeaky clean, then and as @HighEliteMajor mentioned, you are extremely naive or grossly unfamiliar with our judicial system. I would like to think our judicial system is pretty clean, and by and large it is, but I can also admit that the system gets used and abused by prosecutors all the time. I believe that even @mayjay who thinks I am being unfair (nothing new there) would agree with me on this point...or maybe not since lately he seems to disagree on most everything I post anyway.
Didn't take long. I am sure they are relived and hopefully it will be lesson to both of them...an expensive one.
it reminds me of this conversation...
Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?
Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
[a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]
Croupier: Your winnings, sir.
Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.
Captain Renault: [aloud] Everybody out at once!
I bet Coach Williams will argue that basketball players were not allowed to take courses in the African Studies program or have tutor write their papers.
As far as KU, I would think that by now the statue of limitation on any thing that could have happened has expired.
Wayne Selden did not have great numbers but was a starter for the game. Considering what he is making, he is the proverbial diamond in the rough.
How someone gets convicted is irrelevant.
I want to think you don't believe this.
Does the name Mike Nifong ↗ ring a bell?
How about if those 3 students would have been convicted?
Prosecutors file charges with insufficient or tainted evidence all the time and many will go to any length to get a conviction even when the concept of a fair trial is left in the dust. Many local cases are kicked up to the federal level because prosecutors at that level have access to many federal statutes not available to local prosecutors and evidence not accepted at the state level is often accepted at the federal level and something like double jeopardy at the local level does not prevent the feds from prosecuting. Remember the LA riots? Most of the cops charged were acquitted at the state level and then the feds swept in and got federal conviction for the same charges.