And Nebraska's may be a future Heisman. True freshman. Crazy talented. Nebraska will be a powerhouse again in no time.
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Colorado's QB is a future NFL QB imo.
@KirkIsMyHinrich Exactly. History says this team will not score 85. And that it is a concerted effort by Bill to do so. He wants to play a pace that is fast enough our opponents get tired and depth is an issue, but not so fast that we take bad shots.
Watching the KSU MSU game today, I really think we just need to find a giant athlete to put at QB and run him 20 times. Fitzgerald dominated that game on the ground. Has to be a few guys out there who can't throw at a D1 level but tackling them is like trying to tackle a brick wall.
Sort of related note, when the Royals give up on Bubba, I'd offer him a scholarship in a heart beat.
I guess he did. Need to just play Kendrick and commit to the run like they said they would.
Bender start?
@stoptheflop Well we'd appreciate any big updates. I'm going to watch that Nebraska v Colorado game after Houston hopefully closes out this Arizona game.
What channel is it on?
@BShark I got in at -3.
My buddy who lives in NYC texted me last week: "New college football season means betting against Kansas pays for my rent."
He ain't wrong lol.
I think this is a 7-9 season until I'm convinced Mahomes can take care of the ball at the NFL level.
But I think the forgotten man will be nobody in this offense. Kelce gets split out like a WR all of the time. Watkins is the one who needs to show something.
@BShark Lol I thought the same thing. I really did put some money on CMU. It'll at least make me watch some of the game this way haha.
Vegas sharps have flooded bets on KU. But I put money on CMU. I would have laid points if I could have honestly. I expect a 10+ point loss.
@JayHawkFanToo I think we will see some of those too. But I think Bill, more likely than not, won't let us play at a pace that allows us to average 85 ppg for an entire season. A full two points better than his BEST scoring team in 15 seasons seems unlikely. Possible, but just not likely.
@Texas-Hawk-10 You're probably right about that. Will be hard to keep Garrett off the floor though.
@JayHawkFanToo 83.2 ppg is the best offense in the Self era. If this team gets to 83 ppg, I'm not sure they lose a game. Because I seriously think this team has a chance to lead the country in blocked shots and will suffocate opponents on that end of the floor.
@stoptheflop Just have heard good things about Big Dave. I think he will be a guy who gets 10 mpg and scores 6 pts, 3 rbd, 1 blk and 3 fouls. But his size makes him capable of taking over a game for a short stretch before a timeout
I think De Sousa, if eligible, will get as many minutes as he is capable of playing without fouling out.
Ceiling is a legit undefeated team. But it would take a lot for that to go right obviously. But I can honestly say I wouldn't be shocked if that happened. We shouldn't be hurting on either end from guards or posts. I just think the defense should be so dominate that we won't even be concerned with the offense. Especially if KJ, Garrett and Dedric all improve from trey.
A conservative estimate on stats:
- Dotson - 6 ppg, Moore - 4 ppg
- Grimes - 10 ppg, Garrett - 4 ppg
- Vick - 9 ppg, KJ - 6 ppg
- Dedric - 12 ppg, De Sousa - 4.5 ppg
- Doke - 12 ppg, Big Dave - 3.5 ppg
That puts us at 71 ppg. If the defense is one of Bill's better, we would give up close to 65 ppg. That puts us at a floor of 9 losses according to Bill Self history.
If this team can get to 80 ppg, and give up 65, they are a 3 loss team. So we need 9 more points to come from somewhere and I think that puts us right there at 3 losses. And there is plenty of places that could come from on this team.
So I'll go out on a limb and project us as a 2 loss team, as I think we score about 81 ppg and give up around 63.
@Crimsonorblue22 From what others have been saying, sure seems it. If Dedric plays like we think, I think it will do wonders. They are certainly not afraid to talk, and this would be one of the few times that isn't a bad thing lol.
@BeddieKU23 Oh I'd be shocked if we landed Watford. But Bill has had the strategy of casting a wide net and letting the chips fall where they may.
@BeddieKU23 we at least offered him last October. So maybe we have been on him more behind the scenes.
Kind of feels like we are trying to steal that Memphis squad away from Penny lol. Watch us land Hurt, Wiseman, Lawson and Watford somehow. If we see a DJ Jeffries visit, we KNOW something is going on lol.
@KUSTEVE the type of guy that deserves to get teepeed until the end of time.
There was a house behind left center of my high school baseball field. Not trying to brag, but I could put some balls out of the park. Well my buddy and I were bored on a summer day and decided to go to the field and hit some balls. We probably hit 4 or 5 into his yard the first round. When we go to retrieve them, the old guy says if we ever do it again he'll call the cops on us. HE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A FENCE!! Of course the first thing I did was hit about 10 more in his yard out of spite. Of course he calls the cops (not knowing that my dad is a cop) and they come out... and then they have a wack at a few too lol. Old Balls was pissed.
Just don't be the old cranky guy. If you don't like being by the bus stop, call the school and see if they can move it. Put a trash can at the corner where they stand. Quit mowing the part of the lawn that is outside your property line. But don't be the cranky old guy. It always ends up backfiring.
Agree with most of it. The next guy needs to be given a long time. But I do think we can find a decent candidate with experience.
We do need to switch to a run-first style because we will always get the 3rd tier athletes. Shortening the game is the best approach when there is a talent deficit.
QB needs to just be the most athletic guy we can find. No more grad transfers. We can find an athlete that has been looked over and wants to play QB. If you find a Todd Reesing along the way, fantastic. But your plan A needs to be a guy who can run the ball. Plan B is bringing in all the short guys you can find that can throw the hell out of a football.
I can't wait for the Beaty experiment to end. He has the recruiting ability, just not the coaching ability. It takes a certain type of person to run an organization of 150 people with a schedule that includes long hours and a ton of travel. It takes a special person to do it successfully at a place KU though.
Absolutely no reason for this team to not be Top 5 defensively. We have all the length, athleticism and rim protection in the world. Add in that we are two deep at every position, and our guys better be playing aggressive as hell.
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Kcmatt7 said:
@justanotherfan are you citing passer rating? asking for a friend.
He is.
I would agree that on merit alone Kaepernick could probably have got a starting job, and definitely a back-up for basically any team.
He is not a great QB though and saying he is definitely better than all of those players listed is incorrect. I would say Kaepernick and Bortles are actually pretty similar. Each is better in different ways but the totality of it is about the same. Kaep's biggest problem is that he struggled to put any touch on his passes. Before all the drama and any of the kneeling my stance on Kaep is that he was overrated by many and actually pretty bad.
Lol that 2014 season he played was when I knew he sucked. He couldn't hit a receiver if he was 10 feet away. And if he did, it was a bullet.
If not for him, that SF team might make the playoffs. If we want to use Passer rating, Kyle Orton, Mark Sanchez and Ryan Fitzpatrick all had better seasons. He also took the 2nd most sacks that season and had a horrible net yards per attempt average. Or, you know, things that haven't been fixed.
But of course, he had a better passer rating that season than Newton, Stafford, Dalton, and Foles so he should be starting for the Eagles, Panthers, Lions or Bengals this week lol.
Kcmatt7 said: @justanotherfan
He takes a TON of sacks. He is one of the least accurate passers. He has one of the worst Net Yards Gained per Passing Attempt. He doesn't throw a lot of TDs, percentage-wise. He doesn't get a lot of yards just in general.
I also said this ^^^^^^^^^^. These are important stats. He has a low completion percentage, he takes more sacks than any other QB in the game (and has for years), and therefore he doesn't get a lot of yards. I mean that combo alone makes him a backup.
He also has a piss poor 3rd down conversion rate, yards per drive, and points per drive stats.
Dive deeper than a weighted stat that only measures 3 things. You're better than that.
@justanotherfan are you citing passer rating? asking for a friend.
@justanotherfan Saying he is a starter is flat out false.
He is 10- 22 in his last 32 starts (I gave him the benefit of two full season's of data. He is 4-20 in his last 24 games which is a season and a half of data exactly).
He takes a TON of sacks. He is one of the least accurate passers. He has one of the worst Net Yards Gained per Passing Attempt. He doesn't throw a lot of TDs, percentage-wise. He doesn't get a lot of yards just in general.
He is just not a starting QB. No matter how hard you want to spin it that way. It is simply a false narrative. I don't know another 31 year old QB that could go 4-20 in there last 24 games and someone could claim that player is a starter.
I'm going to give you a list. This is QBs who have won more games in their last 24 starts than Kap, but also aren't starters on their team currently. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Nick Foles, Chase Daniel, Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer, Chad Henne, Trevor Siemien, Jacoby Brissett, Colt McCoy, Matt Shaub, Brock Osweiller, Blaine Gabbert, Geno Smith, RG3, EJ Manuel, Matt Cassel, Brandon Weeden, Teddy Bridgewater, Drew Stanton, Mike Glennon, and Derek Anderson.
That is 21 guys who are backups who have won more games given the same opportunity. So, what makes Kap any more special than these guys?
I have never thought Kap was genuine, but that is just how I saw it unfold. It's hard to believe a guy who just lost his starting job AND is hypocritical for so many reasons. (Of course my favorite new reason is making millions off of a company that is known for running sweatshops, and to this day, won't allow inspections to see the conditions of their factories. Factories that are of course in countries lead by dictators or known for awful worker's rights or the oppression of women. Some even hit the trifecta). So I never did understand the support of Kap.
But, he is talented enough to be in the NFL. Just not at $10M a year like he has reportedly wanted. His last season he threw 16 TDs and only 4 picks. A team would be lucky to have him as a backup. However, backup QB is about the last place you want to have a distraction. You don't even want to know your backup QBs name. So, is he worth having on your team? Absolutely not. But he is 100% talented enough.
@kjayhawks I will say this generation is turning into a bad bad bad savings generation. We are terrible at budgeting. And the numbers support that, unfortunately.
@Woodrow What about those who refuse to buy Nike products in the future?
Someone did the math for Nike.
Stock down 3% today.
@BShark I like what OU has done. They would bring in a guy for 3rd and short and the Goal line. I think that is something that we could do and it not mess with the rhythm of the game much because everyone has a role. I do hate when teams play a QB one series and then switch the next. Throws everyone off.
@approxinfinity I believe the same thing. If we boosted up our schools, race or poverty wouldn't matter as much. You would slowly start to see a shift if all people were given an equal opportunity from the beginning.
Should have been a lot more fun this season if they had called all of these guys up from day one like they should have.
I was at the game and all it did was really piss me off that Mondesi, O'Hearn and Dozier weren't up at the beginning of the season.
Where did Unions come into this conversation?
You still haven't responded to my comparison that Trump is calling for a boycott of the NFL. How is this different than someone saying they should boycott a burger place?
Is this not "disrupting the free market?"
I think Chandler is perfect program guy. We can strengthen him up enough to hold his own at the 4. At which point, he is really the perfect stretch 4 for modern day basketball.
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Some of the thoughts here are mind boggling. And I'm the one being disingenuous?
I guess I just forgot about the part in history where fascism started with the Nazi's boycotting sausage stands. Or the Italians boycotted a pizza restaurant. And that was somehow the downfall of the country and the start of WWII.
You are not only hypocritical in your stance, but completely blowing something out of proportion.
It isn't ok for people to boycott a fast food chain, but it is ok for people to boycott NFL games? And Trump, the head of the Republican party, is condemning it and encouraging the boycott. I mean, do you not see your own hypocrisy? lol.
I'm curious about what the plan is with Mitch. Is he just a 4 year backup? Will he leave?
You aren't a "constitutionalist" if you don't believe in boycotts. Stated clearly in the first amendment is "the right of the people peaceably to assemble."
So they aren't impeding free speech. They are peacefully protesting. Or, you know, exercising their first amendment right... Only the hypocritical right "constitutionalists" can try to argue against something in the constitution by trying to use the constitution lol. Or try to bring up the "Fore Father's" intentions for one amendment, but not the others.
Do I think it is for a good reason in this particular case, no (mainly because of the points you made that In and Out is a model business that everyone should support). But that doesn't mean this is fascism or limiting free speech.
If Chandler comes, gives me hope KJ stays another year.
@Crimsonorblue22 He's made over a million so far. I think he'll be ok for a while lol.
@FarmerJayhawk I just think he hopped on that Memphis offer awfully quick. Has an official visit slated and I'd want to play with Wiseman if I was a PG.
I'll bet he ends up at Memphis.
@Woodrow Also have to consider that you could also "get exposed" in a bad way by playing. IMO, it is better to get yourself drafted in the 1st round than risk not getting drafted and never making that same kind of money.
If he really ends up being good, he won't be hurting financially.
People wanting Jerrance fired just a couple of years ago lol. Bill knows what he's doing. Honestly, I think it will be hard to keep Howard on the staff much longer if he keeps recruiting like this.
I wouldn't mind seeing Kendrick be a Goal Line and short yardage QB. But good to see him at the #2 Spot.