@drgnslayr Agreed!! Its not like CS has to hold his cards close right now. They aren't hiding a game plan from an opponent yet. Im psyched to see what new sets they will run!
Lulufulu
3094 posts
@REHawk Agreed. With the WUGs, it'll give CS and kids some chances to work on new things. Quite possibly to push tempo and incorporate the trey so as not to be such foolish metal.
@drgnslayr Whoa! Man, if the powers that be find that UT was involved in academic misconduct etc, when Barnes was there, how can they rightfully punish UT when the players AND the coach are no longer there?
@jaybate-1.0 Since the season ended I have felt very good about Svi coming in to this season. We know the kid can handle and distribute the ball better than Selden can right now, we know he can shoot it even though we really havent seen too much In Game proof of that. The biggest question is can he hold his own on defense and be able to fight over/under/thru screens and picks. Kid has a year of exp at KU under his belt and he is gaining weight with Hudy-izing. We still got 3 months left in summer and Svi is up 15 lbs. He'll gain more by november if it is necessary.
I dont know why, but I think he will improve exponentially.
@HighEliteMajor makes a point by saying he would rather have Svi play the 2 than Selden.
@Texas-Hawk-10 That was a cool article. I had no idea there were other sports involved and other US colleges involved. Thats awesome. I hope I can catch at least some of those KU games on dvr or something.
@jaybate-1.0 Huh, fascinating. Bill doesn't seem the type to just lay down and give someone else the game though.
@drgnslayr Capone had a house or something in KC too didnt he?
Whose that other guy?
@Texas-Hawk-10 Yeah, Im not sure he did either. I remember Langford was solid at cutting to the basket, slashing into there for points but Idk if he created for others.
@Lulufulu I giggle heartily every time I see this!
@bskeet I kinda like his white board play videos. Sort of a teaching moment for me, trying to learn the game better.
@Crimsonorblue22 Ehhh, who cares? Both middling to low teams in their respective conferences, they can play each other till their inbred hearts are content.
@wrwlumpy This is one of my favorite videos of Coach and the '13[link text](
team.@truehawk93 Boy, wish we still had that bench. Dooley and Manning.
@drgnslayr HA! Thats so funny! Yah, that needs to happen.
@wrwlumpy Omg, that's just plain idiocy. Oh well, glad he isnt a Jayhawk.
@Texas-Hawk-10 He had Miles and Langford too didnt he?
@jaybate-1.0 Idk man. He said it about Oubre and Wigs didnt he?
@wrwlumpy COOL!!
@jaybate-1.0 That was really weird man. It has a very satirical and ironic feel to me. I don't quite understand the intent of your message but it seems comical.
Btw define Epistemic
@drgnslayr Thats my point exactly! No way Coach Self bails for the League unless it was to a top 8 team. I dont think he will go anywhere at all but stranger things have happened.
@Statmachine I do the same thing Stat! I'll just answer with a four letter word or words of my choice tho. Or, just something completely random and not even close to the topic.
@wrwlumpy Ahhh man, Im sad to see Josh Pollard go. He was one of us, walk on or not. He was a Jayhawk. Wish him the best tho.
@KUSTEVE Dude, Diallo impressed me during the MickeyDs game and the other one he played in but No Way does he impact like Beed. I mean JoJo is going to be an All Star in the NBA.
@DoubleDD I like playing softball at the park with beer and hot dogs
@drgnslayr Thats the real question isnt it? Coach Self absolutely has the coaching savvy to finish his career equal to or greater than Coach K or LB. Both of them HOF coaches to be sure.
@jaybate-1.0 I just have a feeling that Svi will metamorphose this season. I dont know why. I hope I'm right!
@drgnslayr I'll believe that when monkeys fly out of my butt.
@sfbahawk Ah, ok then. Archer Daniels Midland. Good to know.
@HighEliteMajor Speaking of that KU 08 team we all love. How many here think That team would have beaten the tar out of any Duke or UK footer stack team?
@drgnslayr Yeah, Blatt was going for the early KO, instead should have played "rope a dope"
Warriors are too deep and talented to KO early.
@brooksmd Being one of those liberal/independents, I have no problem at all with war memorials guns,battery, canons and all. I love it. I am a vet, technically. I signed my life to the US Navy at the tail end of the first Iraq occupation. Im all about paying homage to the soldiers who fought for all of us.
@jaybate-1.0 You totally lost me there. ADM? And, what does Rollerball have to do with ISU? I dont follow :grey_question:
@jaybate-1.0 said:
BULLETIN:
ISU OFFERS MARSHA CORN FUTURES TO SEAL A DEAL.
No dude, no, its GM Corn now. Monsanto has monopoly on all US food sources now. They are the Petro Shoe co of the seed supplies in the states. SO, it'll be Monsanto financing the way for Marsha into the Big 12.
@VailHawk dammit, I didnt mean to flag that. I meant to post that George Carlin was one of the funniest dudes on the planet.
@DoubleClutch 30 3pta's in College ball would be radical. It is almost the norm in the NBA.
@Statmachine Gottlieb's an idiot.
@jaybate-1.0 said:
Great point. I don't think so. Maybe he was the turning point.
However, he did start going down in rank while AT KU!!!!
Self had to give him a few stat builders to get his rank back, as I recall.
Yeah, like his 41pt game against WVU was it? That was awesome.
Broke the freshmen single game and season scoring records at KU.
This article was written by Jason King, a well known KU supporter and fan. At least to me he is. His articles seem always to favor the Jayhawks. This one struck me as interesting because in it he primarily quotes Bill Self. Why would he not get quotes from any other major div 1 coach? Is Coach Self already leaning towards the Pro's? If so, the only places I can see him going to are the Spurs when Pop leaves who knows when and to OKC, already taken by Donovan. No way he goes to a program where he can win right away.
Anyways, its a good read.
Last weekend, once it became obvious that Fred "The Mayor" Hoiberg was ending his term at Iowa State to coach the Chicago Bulls, this question popped into my mind:
Who's next?
Not at Iowa State, where Tim Floyd, Jeff Hornacek, Steve Prohm and current Cyclones assistant T.J. Otzelberger are among the names being floated as potential Hoiberg replacements. More intriguing is identifying the next coach to jump from college to the NBA.
Judging by the recent trend, it's bound to happen soon.
Former Butler coach Brad Stevens just wrapped up his second season with the Boston Celtics. In April, Billy Donovan left Florida after 19 years for the Oklahoma City Thunder.
Even though the 2015 college-to-NBA carousel likely stopped with Chicago's hiring of Hoiberg, it could certainly start spinning again next spring. Kentucky's John Calipari, Connecticut's Kevin Ollie, Kansas' Bill Self and Michigan State's Tom Izzo have been mentioned as candidates for various NBA jobs in recent years. It's only a matter of time before one (or more) of them makes the leap.
What happened to the days of Mike Krzyzewski and Roy Williams spurning overtures from the Los Angeles Lakers? Will college-lifers soon be a thing of the past?
That may be a stretch, but it's safe to say the lure of the NBA is prevalent among college coaches like never before. And the reason may have more to do with escaping one level than reaching another.
Sideline veteran Kevin O'Neill said, "Coaching college basketball is harder than it's ever been."
O'Neill would know. Along with head coaching stints at Marquette, Northwestern, Tennessee, Arizona and USC, O'Neill also served as the head coach of the Toronto Raptors and has been an assistant with four other NBA teams.
He's not alone in his opinion that the current culture in college basketball may be causing burnout among some of the game's brightest coaching stars.
Charlie Neibergall/Associated Press
Kansas head coach Bill Self.
"Certainly," said Self, the Kansas Jayhawks head coach, "there are some things about the job today that make it not as fun as what it used to be."
Indeed, while fans complain about a lack of scoring and poor officiating, the most troubling issues in college basketball these daysâthe ones that are wearing down some of its coachesâare taking place off the court.
As if dealing with the grind of recruiting, alumni functions and media responsibilities wasn't enough, the patience of college coaches is now being tested by the one-and-done rule, the growing number of transfers and the increasing presence of social media that has made their jobs more stressful than ever before.
"The NBA has its own set of problems," O'Neill said, "but they're all basketball-related. All you do is coach. No matter who you are, unless you're Gregg Popovich, you rank No. 6 in the organization. It's the owner, then the GM, then the top three players and then you. In college, you're the No. 1 person in the program. You're at the center of every storm. It can wear on people. Some guys just don't want to deal with it anymore."
Some coaches believe things began to change in 2006, when the NBA stipulated that players must be a year removed from their senior year of high school before entering the NBA draft.
All of a sudden, players such as Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose, Michael Beasley, John Wall and DeMarcus Cousinsâall of whom were good enough to turn pro out of high schoolâwere forced to attend college for a year. The pressure from fans to sign one-and-done-caliber players was intense, and even worse, the layers of people (AAU coaches, high school coaches, relatives, handlers) surrounding those players made recruiting them that much tougher.
Nathaniel S. Butler/Getty Images
Former commissioner David Stern with Kevin Durant in 2007.
"There are definitely more people wanting to have an impact on a kid's decision than ever before," Self said.
Perhaps even more aggravating for coaches is the mentality that the one-and-done tag has created among players who aren't surefire NBA superstars. Guys who have no business leaving school after one year often do so anyway. Others may leave after two years when they should've stayed three or four. The point is that fewer and fewer kids are relishing the college experience because they're so obsessed with the NBA.
The mentality can be taxing on a coach.
"It used to be that kids picked a school because of the school or the program," Self said. "I'm not saying that doesn't exist anymore, but for the guys projected to be in school a short amount of time, they're picking a school for the opportunity as much as anything else. They want to get in and get out. Twenty years ago, if you recruited a good player, you knew you'd have him a minimum of two years, and maybe even three or four. Now, if they're a good player, they're gone after one."
SHARE
TWEET
Fred Hoiberg Hired by the Bulls
Before Coach K, There Was Cadet Krzyzewski at West Point
Coach K vs. Saban: Who's the Top College Coach?
Under the Radar NBA Talent to Watch at Final Four
The Highs & Lows of 2015 NCAA Tournament
Who Will Win NCAA Basketball Title in 2016?
Coach K Deserves Title of G.O.A.T.
Young Australian Stud Ready to Take Over CBB
Winners, Losers from the Final Four
Which Final Four Superstar Should Be No. 1 NBA Pick?
Schultz's Major College Basketball Awards of the Year
And if they're not departing for the NBA, they're bolting for other schools. According to a list compiled by ESPN's Jeff Goodman, approximately 650 Division I players elected to transfer after the 2014-15 season. A year ago, the number was "in excess of 700."
"Players want instant gratification," O'Neill said. "If they come to school as a freshman and aren't starting or scoring a certain amount of pointsâif they don't see their NBA dream coming trueâthey're not going to care about the team, and they're not going to care about sticking around.
"It used to be cool to get a college scholarship," O'Neill continued. "It used to be a privilege to play at a place like Michigan or Syracuse. Kids don't dream about getting scholarships anymore. They dream about playing in the NBA. There so many kids that have absolutely no chance of being an NBA player that think they're good enough to play in the NBA. It's hurting the college game."
Thus, instead of spending two or three years developing players and creating team chemistry, coachesâespecially the ones from power conferencesâdeal with increasing amounts of attrition every offseason.
"You basically have to recruit players twice," Baylor's Scott Drew said. "Once when they're in high school to get them to sign, and then a year or two later to get them to stay."
The roster turnover each year, whether it stems from players transferring or leaving early for the NBA, makes it tough to sustain success. Four of the last nine NCAA championsâFlorida in 2007, North Carolina in 2009, Kentucky in 2012 and Connecticut in 2014âfailed to reach the NCAA tournament the year after winning the title.
Joe Robbins/Getty Images
UConn head coach Kevin Ollie.
"Before, when you looked at the Top 10 in the preseason, it was like football," Self said. "Seven of the teams were going to be there year in, year out. Now it's not like that. That doesn't make it bad at all. But it makes success harder to maintain when you have so many different intangibles compared to what you used to have. You don't have guys for three years in your program anymore. It makes the ability to stay at a very high level consistently harder than it was in the past."
To be fair, the most recent coaches to jump from college to the NBA haven't cited the current college culture as the main factor in their decision. Hoiberg played four seasons for the Bulls and even expressed his dream to coach in the NBA during his interview with Iowa State. Stevens and Donovan simply said they wanted a new challenge.
During a recent interview with ESPN.com's Dana O'Neil, however, Donovan seemed excited about the opportunity to focus on basketballâand only basketballâin his new job with Oklahoma City.
"One thing here, the workload is heavy but it's different," Donovan said. "The workload is dealing with the team, making the team better. It's basketball. You have a chance to coach in the summer league, to go different places and work with your players. It's a lot of work, but it's more basketball work."
Layne Murdoch Jr./Getty Images
Former Florida Gators head coach, and current OKC Thunder head man, Billy Donovan.
It's a situation that, at least in part, helped sway Donovan. And if the current climate stays the same in college basketball, it could influence some of his former colleagues, too.
"I've got what I consider to be as good of a basketball job as there is in the country at any level," Self said. "There are still more positives than negatives going on in college basketball. It's still a great game. But there are definitely some things that need to be addressed to make the game better."
Jason King covers college sports for Bleacher Report. You can follow him on Twitter @JasonKingBR.
@jaybate-1.0 said:
It seems something has changed.
KU's recruits used to go do in rank after signing.
Vick has risen.
Is this a new trend?
Or just an anomaly?
Did Wigs go down when he signed?
@jaybate-1.0 Provided Beed gets healthy and remains so throughout his rookie season, he will get RoY. Im calling it right now. Wish he could have stayed. But, in today's world, your projected in the top 3 or 2 of the draft, how can you turn that down?
@Bwag Nah, the Celts made it in, something like 5 games under .500
@REHawk Agreed. Oubre could have stayed an extra year and pretty much guaranteed himself a high lottery pick the season after. Oh well, his loss. But he hasn't earned a penny yet so its his decision.
Anyways, I look at Oubre from a talent perspective as being in between Ben Mac and Wigs. Would have definitely been a top 10 pick with another year but not high enough upside to claim a #1 or 2 pick.
@ajvan Way to go Trav! I love hearing things about our Jayhawks after they left the team and Trav is one of my favorites.
@sfbahawk This KU fan agrees with you! We are all connected together in digital friendship by KU sports. Religion and politics are such divisive subjects by nature, that they can only cause problems on here. I came here to avoid such problems. Lets keep it all shiny everyone, K?
@drgnslayr I would add a brace of Dirty Harry Colt .45's
@JRyman Well, I guess I underestimated Freddy's desire to be an NBA coach. Current news on Espn says they are working on a 5 year contract.
Well done Mr Mayor. Good luck in the League and best of health to you as well. The Big 12 and Iowa St will be missing a great coach and representative.
@JRyman Naaaah, I dont believe that The Mayor will leave Ames. Won't believe it till it happens.
It seems like The Warriors asst coach has a better chance at being the new HC of The Bulls
@JRyman But, in all seriousness, yes, the Big 12 absolutely NEEDS to clamp down on court/field storming. Not only is it extremely dangerous, its classless and stupid. Honestly, how long has it been since there has been a KU court storming? I've been watching KU play since the Manning era and I've never seen it happen in AFH.
@JRyman OMG! That would be soooo freekin funny. Provided KU fans can get into Kstate like they used to back in the days of AFH west.
@drgnslayr Steph Curry is the best shooter in the league right now. He destroyed his own record for 3pt attempts during the regular season and looks to push the record for 3's in the play offs too. No one will catch him anytime soon. It'll be a very long time before we see another shooter like Steph. He makes Ray Allen look like...well, not as good, thats for sure!