Bad play call there, should've gone with a zone read
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@Crimsonorblue22 After that overturned call earlier that led to a fumble, I have no clue which way this call will go.
@stoptheflop 259 total yards
@Crimsonorblue22 We beat Texas in OT.
Pass protection has been worse than @BShark's attitude about KU football.
BShark said:
jayballer73 said:
I'm tellin you guys I'm feeling different things a coming - -good things - -better things with this team - -I feel it. -- Or could be all that BBQ I ate last night lol. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
0-12
You said 0-12
@DanR Realistically, firing Beaty doesn't do anything for KU at this point. Any potential candidate already knows the job will more than likely be available after this season so you're not really getting a head start on other programs.
It also doesn't help recruiting because any potential recruits are going to wait until whoever the new head coach is before committing to KU unless they're someone who's committing to KU no matter who the coach is.
As much as everyone wants to move on from Beaty now, there's no real benefit to firing Beaty until after game 6 when the interim will have 2 weeks to prep and make whatever changes he wants.
@BShark You also predicted 0-12, that ain't looking good right now.
Was Tovi this bad at center last year in his time at that spot?
I still think Beaty doesn't get fired until after game 6 when Bowen or Meachem will have 2 weeks to prep.
Stupid penalty there
@BShark They can't score and it's been one of KU's closer games in recent years. It'll happen at some point and then Snyder will retire again like he did last time Mangino beat him.
@BShark KSU has done this a lot in recent years against their FCS opponent. They typically have played better in the second half of their games, but this is the type of B12 team KU could beat because KSU hasn't been a high scoring team in several years and that will always allow a team like KU to have a shot at an upset.
It is nice to have a reliable field goal kicker with solid range. Should help KU score a few more points this year
Why can't we go to a 4 man front against a team that wants to run the football? That would be a nice start to help the run defense out.
Time to for a new kick off person.
@BShark I know, still shouldn't have been a close game though.
Penn St. was incredibly lucky to survive today against App. St.
There's no reason why KU should struggle running the ball this much. Bender should not be our best rusher.
Screw firing Beaty right now, can Jeff Long fire Bowen immediately?
Defense looks as craptastic as one would expect from a Bowen defense early on.
@kjayhawks Kentucky turned the ball over 4 times in the first half. That's a recipe for an inferior team to steal a win against a better team.
@BShark No, you're just being a downer. Even Beaty's biggest critic/hater, Tom Keegan, is predicting a 3 win season for KU this season.
KU by a TD 31-24
Cozart was a back up QB and didn't have great numbers at Boise and actually cost them a couple of games.
Penny is going to go hard after Chandler and any other top level Memphis area recruits in the coming years and land probably all of them that he wants. Penny might be the best player to ever come out of the Memphis area and he's got the reputation from middle and high school in Memphis that he could build a fence around the city in a hurry like Cal did there.
@kjayhawks Miles Kendick is not going to be used the same way Blake Bell or Klein were used. Those guys were 6'-5", 240lbs or bigger running those plays. They were essentially TE's with QB ability. That's not Kendrick, he'll be used to run zone reads in short yardage situations because of his quickness.
KU's not going to be good, but it seems like there's a different feeling amongst the players than there has been the past few years. Players have been pinpointing specific reasons why instead if just broad generalizations of getting better.
My biggest reason for optimism is that KU finally has an OLine that will look like a B12 OLine when they take the field. There's finally a lot of upperclassmen at that position group.
I'm not going out an predicting a bowl game or even that Beaty will do enough to save his job, but I can see 2-3 wins out if this group this year.
I still expect the defense to be its usual horrible self despite the upgraded talent. I see 3 NFL caliber players on the defense right now in Daniel Wise, Joe Dineen, and Mike Lee. If someone other than Bowen were calling the shots on defense, I'd actually go out and say a bowl game was possible this year.
As is, I think this team gets 2-3 wins, looks good in a couple of other games, Beaty and Bowen are gone, and KU starts fresh in 2019 with a solid core of players to develop.
@BShark I've never said this was going to be a bad rebounding, just that I think Dedric's rebounding ability is being overhyped by a big section of the KU fan base. If Dedric was the lone big, I'd be concerned, but with the depth in the frontcourt, I think KU will be just fine in the rebounding department.
The area I see KU having some issues this year is scoring. The back court is so young and inexperienced except for Vick and lacks that guy that you have to guard on the perimeter that I see a lot of teams packing the paint against KU I can see some games where KU may go 6 or 7 minutes without a FG because of the make of the team.
@KUSTEVE Here's why Dedric averaged double digit rebounds per game at Memphis his sophomore year, he played 35 minutes per game. For comparison, Doke played about 24 minutes per game last year as a sophomore and T-Rob played 15 minutes per game as a sophomore.
Per 40 minutes as sophomores, T-Rob averaged 17.6 rebounds per 40 minutes. Azubuike averaged 11.9 rebounds per 40 minutes and Dedric Lawson averaged 11.5 rebounds per 40 minutes.
Rebounding percentage as sophomores, T-Rob had a 19.1% offensive rebounding %, 30.7% defensive rebounding %, and a 25.3% total rebounding %.
Doke had a 12.4% offensive rebounding %, 20.7% defensive rebounding % and 16.9% total rebounding %
Dedric had 9.1% offensive rebounding %, 22.8 defensive rebounding %, and a 15.9% total rebounding %.
Those were numbers Dedric put up against largely inferior competition in the AAC so I don't see those numbers getting better with fewer minutes against better competition.
The one area where Dedric has a slight edge over Doke in rebounding is on the defensive end, but it's not a huge advantage and this isn't saying Dedric is a bad player, but he's not the elite rebounder people here are making him out to be.
@KUSTEVE A couple of points.
The first is that Dedric Lawson actually isn't an elite rebounder. His advanced rebounding numbers are pretty similar to Doke and nowhere near T-Rob who was KU's last truly elite rebounder. I don't even think Dedric is as good a rebounder as Lucas is.
The second is that Lagerald Vick is hardly a dead eye from 3. His 3 point percentage has been in the 37% range the last two years and he's always been a very streaky shooter like Elijah Johnson was.
Bender is the most talented of the 3 choices. But this also goes against what Beaty said he wanted the offense to look like as well. He said he wanted a more run based offense and Bender does take away the zone read which Stanley and Kendrick can run.
Beaty will almost certainly be gone after this season and hopefully someone who can state their vision for the offense and build and recruit to that vision without changing it every year will be brought in.
Bold prediction: Kansas football wins its first road game this decade this season.
@Woodrow If Beaty ever made a decision about who the QB was and gave that person 95% of the first team reps, that would help a lot. Instead, each QB is only getting 33% of the reps and are constantly looking over their shoulders during games.
Peyton Bender has talent, there's a reason Mike Leach recruited him, the kid has talent. David Beaty has failed to develop that talent because he refuses to name Bender or either of the other QB's the starter and give them the reps they need to become successful.
@Woodrow Evaluating talent isn't the biggest issue. KU's talent isn't 20-30 points inferior to the rest of the B12.
Beaty's issue is his indecisiveness. He cannot stick with a decision. 3 OC's in 4 years but even the coordinators have changed positions this offseason, 4 offensive systems in 4 years, most of the position coaches change roles every offseason. There's no consistency in the program. Players are hearing a different voice each offseason telling them how to do something. That doesn't build consistency. That type of turnover and shuffling on his staff has done nothing to help these players develop. I think Clint Bowen is the only coach that's still in the same job he was in when Beaty was hired, but even his position responsibilities have changed so even that claim is only half true.
As much as I want Beaty to prove everyone wrong this year, there's a reason why apathy has set in and it's because Beaty has done nothing to generate any kind of excitement around this program because he can't stick with a decision. He has built the foundation of Kansas football on sand and that's why there's little stability within the program now.
@jayballer73 If he ends up committing early, next to no chance. If he's a spring commit, KU's chances go up, but still aren't that high. KU would likely need both Grimes and KJ Lawson to leave after this year, or there's enough people in the front court that leave that KJ is forced into the 4 spot.
Garrett is a non factor in playing time for Green as long as Grimes is OAD. Garrett would slide into the second ball handler role which he is more than capable of handling.
KJ is the biggest hurdle to landing Green.
Has there been a case of point shaving in college basketball that wasn't tied to organized crime somehow before?
@mayjay Questions wouldn't be asked of the players in that situation though, they would be investigating the coach and what a coach was doing to be in a position to need to do something like that.
@kjayhawks I think we'll see the World Wide Wes pipeline reopen for Cal. With WWW being an agent, he can funnel players to Kentucky for Cal again.
As shady as it will be, I think Self may need to form a partnership with an agent to funnel players to KU.
I foresee a lot of transfers among Vick level players at places like Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, and UNC. Those kids will declare, stay in the draft, get recruited over, then transfer out after they go undrafted because they were recruited over. Some may go back to their original school if there's room, but that's not always going to be the case.
@JayHawkFanToo It is technically accurate like I said. It's just a very misleading way to to state it that does imply he won a B12 title which is why it's misleading. Also, Durant was only 0-2 against Kansas.
@JayHawkFanToo It says nothing about Durant winning a title. Nothing in that statement is factually inaccurate, just written in a misleading way. KD didead UT to a B12 championship, they just didn't won that championship. Again, misleading, but technically inaccurate.
@mayjay Why was 200k not good enough for DePaul? It's DePaul, they haven't made the NCAA tournament in 15 years and only have 3 tournament appearances since 1990. DePaul sucks, that's why 200k wasn't good enough for them.
I might go to the Baylor game in Waco, but there's also a good chance I'm going to be taken to a Texas A&M watch party that day because they play Alabama that day as well.
@kjayhawks A road or the practice facility, those are basically the two options.
The court is named after the guy who invented the game itself. Even if he was the worst coach we've ever had, selling kids on playing on a court named after the inventor of the game is huge that no other school can claim.
You also can't name the building after Bill because it's named after the father of coaching who is responsible for 3 of the 5 banners in the north rafters.
The practice facility is probably the biggest honor left in Kansas basketball to have something named after you and Self should have something named for him. He'll likely pass Phog in total wins in the next 3-4 seasons and likely pass him in wins at KU in the next 5-6 seasons.
@Kcmatt7 The burden of proof is on the university since they are the ones investigating to potentially fire Urban. I would find it very difficult to believe Meyer didn't know what was going on, but I also have a hard time picturing OSU being able to prove anything unless Meyer was recorded secretly discussing the issue in 2015 or another point before when he fired the coach in question.
Lon Kruger is a poor man's Larry Brown and I mean that in a good way. He's built winning programs in just about every part of the country. He's in the NCAA tournament far more frequently than not. He also doesn't get the credit he deserves for building Florida basketball up and establishing that foundation for Billy Donovan to step into a great situation and elevate Florida even more. When you talk about the 5 best programs over the past 25 years, Florida has to be in there with their 5 Final Fours and 2 national championships. At worst, they're the 6th best team of the past 25 years. Lon Kruger laid that foundation.
@dylans Meyer will be untouchable after this. He had an abnormally high rate of players being arrested when he was at Florida so I wouldn't trust him to rehab KU's image. Even if the onfield product improved, I don't believe the off field issues that would likely happen would be something anyone would be proud of.
@JayHawkFanToo You don't retain everyone on staff and I didn't agree with keeping Bowen because he can't scheme for crap. Reggie Mitchell was put best recruiter while he was here and RB's was also one of the strongest position groups while he was here. He was worth retaining which two coaches did before he left for Arkansas.
Tony Hull is definitely worth trying to retain, but I think it will take promoting him to offensive coordinator to have any chance to retain him.
@kjayhawks Tressel was fired because he lied to the NCAA and OSU about what he knew in regards to players selling or trading memorabilia for those tattoos which is an impermissible benefit. Tressel got caught because the FBI and Department of Justice was investigating the tattoo shop's owner for potential drug trafficking charges. Tressel lied about his knowledge of events, failed to report the violations to the NCAA, and knowingly played players who should've been ineligible.
The Jim Tressel situation was a very big deal at the time because OSU had to vacate it's 2010 season entirely, was banned from a bowl game in 2012, had 3 years of probation, and landed Jim Tressel a 5 year show cause which effectively black balled him from ever being a college football coach again.
In the eyes of the NCAA rulebook and punishments, what Tressel did was really bad and had more severe penalties than anything OSU would potentially get from the Urban Meyer situation. On a human level, obviously the Meyer situation is worse because there was a human being being physically abused and the abuser was not punished until at least 3 years later than he should've been.
Neither situation is a good look for Ohio St. and I have a feeling Urban Meyer is going to be done in college coaching once this is all said and done.