@DanR said in TexTech Offense Numbers:
head shot
That's not the issue. Bean's knee is the issue. That looked like it could have torn some stuff in his knee the way he fell.
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Arizona/Duke was a great game and Arizona picking up a huge win in Cameron.
@wissox said in Manhattan Jaspers, Who?:
I assume we're gonna win, gonna have to watch Wiscy and RockyTop now. Tough match against old friend Rick Barnes.
I'm watching the end of Arizona/Duke right now. That game is coming down to the wire.
@kjayhawks said in Manhattan Jaspers, Who?:
Hunter is a really underrated passer, missed a few bunnies tonight tho
His passing has always been mentioned as a big strength and a huge part of why he's so skilled.
What's wrong with KU's offense? Why aren't they shooting 70% like Monday night!?!?
This team is insanely unselfish so far this season. Definitely a big Dejuan influence with that mentality.
@RockChalkinTexas said in Manhattan Jaspers, Who?:
Will Juan score?
Will he need to even take a shot tonight? The way they're looking so far, he may not need to take a shot again tonight.
@Zabudda said in Manhattan Jaspers, Who?:
Hunter seems to understand how to defend and not foul.
He only averaged 2.3 fouls per 40 minutes last season. He definitely can play defense without fouling.
@justanotherfan said in Bowl game tracker:
Looking at the rest of the schedule, KU should get to at least 9 wins, if not 10. Home for both Tech and KSU, then heading to Cincy for the last game. The hope of getting to the Big XII title game is a long shot since either Texas or OSU has to lose two of their last 3, but if KU finishes third in the conference and is 10-2, I'd imagine they would have a chance to go to a pretty good bowl.
I assume the Big 12 will not have a team in the CFP, which means the champion goes to the Cotton Bowl (I think). Big 12 could get a second team into the New Year's contract bowls if Texas and OSU win out, with the non champion potentially getting a spot in the Peach Bowl.
That would mean Alamo gets the first choice, followed by Pop Tarts, then the Texas Bowl. If KU loses to KSU or Tech, they could slide down to the Guaranteed Rate Bowl. I doubt they go back to the Liberty Bowl since they were there last year. My guess is the Alamo Bowl takes OU even though KU beat them, and the winner of KU-KState goes to the Pop Tarts Bowl, with the loser going to the Texas Bowl.
A 3 loss Oklahoma St. won't play in a NY6 bowl.
Texas actually does have a reasonable shot at the CFP still.
A one loss OSU is likely ahead of Texas because of their Notre Dame and Penn St. wins.
Georgia likely has 3 really tough games left, and still needs to beat Ole Miss or Tennessee to clinch the East and play Alabama.
Michigan likely needs to win out to make the playoffs because PSU and OSU are the only good teams they play.
Florida St. likely needs to won out as well due to the ACC being pretty weak this year.
Oregon and Washington will likely play again, but not a given since Oregon has a tough closing stretch with USC, Oregon St., and a likely Washington rematch.
If Texas sneaks in the CFP and KU finishes 10-2, I think there's a decent shot of KU making a NY6 bowl over a 3 loss Okie St.
@kuballin10 said in Bowl game tracker:
@Texas-Hawk-10 okie lite sucks and should already have 3 losses. Stillwater actually is what people think Lawrence is for basketball.
KU and OU got completely screwed. I hope karma or something somehow gives them 2 fluke losses before the big 12 title
Reality is they've only dropped 1 B12 game TO ISU and have wins over KU, KSU, OU. and WVU which are 4 of the 5 Big 12 teams sitting at 4-2 right now. The USA loss is a bad loss, but they have head to head victories over the teams right behind them so their current ranking is justified.
KU is officially 16th in the latest CFP rankings. Oklahoma St. is 15th and Oklahoma is 17th which is the order those three should be ranked. Texas is the highest ranked Big 12 team at 7th and KSU is ranked 25th.
These rankings do open a path to a NY6 bowl game for Kansas. KU would need to win out and get to 10-2 and OSU will need to take a third loss at some point, presumably to Texas in the B12 title game and possibly sneak into the CFP.
@RockkChalkk said in Bowl game tracker:
May be a bit of a longshot but how interesting it would be to face Mizzou in a bowl game this year!
Should've happened last year and Missouri allegedly backed out of it. Also, pretty unlikely this year too because Missouri will likely end up in a New Year's Day game or possibly a NY6 bowl.
@BeddieKU23 said in Other bball games:
Wonder if the stat was non conference home game against unranked opponent.
75 total November games would be very low for someone who's been at a school as long as Izzo's been at Michigan St. considering most teams play 6-7 games in November.
Damn, not gonna keep it under 50!
I'd like to see KU keep this lead above 50 points
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in KU-NCCentral Eagles!!! Tonight!!:
K-State plays #21 USC tonight on TNT? That's kind of weird
Game's in Vegas, but I guess TNT is adding to their live sports catalog.
33 assists on 37 made FG's is an unreal stat.
Anyine else think Elmarko looks like a younger Jay-Z?
@DanR said in KU-NCCentral Eagles!!! Tonight!!:
Only negative is no one is driving the lane.
That's what NCC took away and KU punished them for it all game long.
@Zabudda said in KU-NCCentral Eagles!!! Tonight!!:
The Furp has some skill and b0unce.
Aussie players tend to be much further along on tge offensive end than the defensive end. He'll likely have a couple of nights where he goes off on offense. Biggest thing for him right now is learning how to play defense because that's rarely a strength of Australian players at this stage of their careers.
Also, this is why Timberlake will come off the bench. Jackson has a mich higher ceiling, but will make mistakes. Also, if KU gets off to a slow shooting start, Timberlake can be the spark. If he starts and his shot is off, KU doesn't have anyone to turn too in that scenario. Timberlake off the bench is the better fit because of what you look for in a 6th man.
This is why Dickinson is a potential NPOY player this year. If he gets set up in the high post or top of the key, he can do so many things from that spot on the floor. This is also why him not being a speedster isn't a big issue for fast breaks. He's probably starting a lot of them off of rebounds and even if he doesn't start them, his 3 point shooting is a big weapon as the trailer in a fast break that can open the lane up for others if someone doesn't close out or he knocks down an open three.
@FarmerJayhawk said in KU-NCCentral Eagles!!! Tonight!!:
Anyone else still just getting the event about to start screen?
Technical difficulties
KU is favored by 30.5 tonight. I'd probably take the under because I could see Self still treating this game almost like an exhibition game more than a regular season game.
@nuleafjhawk said in KU Football is Now Relevant. Take the Next Step Tonight.:
@Crimsonorblue22 I don't want this to sound like a slam, but if our qb would quit overthrowing wide open receivers we'd be a lot higher than that.
Not a slam. Just truth.
We'd also have at least one more win if he didn't have a habit of throwing into double or triple coverage consistently as well.
@kjayhawks said in Interesting Games Today?:
@Texas-Hawk-10 it all depends on whom else wins and loses. Not sure what the tie breaker is but could potentially see 3 or 4 2 loss teams in 2nd place.
It doesn't sound like it'll end up being too complicated at this point. KU is very unlikely to make it to Dallas because the two losses are to the two teams ahead of them. KU would need at least one of them to lose 2 of their last 3. Texas might actually be the better bet right now with Ewers out because they still have to play in Ames in 2 weeks. Their other two games are at TCU next weekend and Texas Tech Thanksgiving weekend.
OSU meanwhile has 3 games against newcomers left at UCF, at Houston, and BYU. I don't see them dropping two of those three games so I would call OSU the safest bet to make Dallas right now.
There are 5 teams currently tied for third with a 4-2 record. Two of those teams will lose at least one more time guaranteed because Oklahoma and West Virginia play next weekend in Norman, and KU and KSU play in two week in Lawrence. KU is in a good spot against all of those teams because we have the tiebreaker over OU and ISU because of our head to head wins and over WVU because of a better overall record. If we end up with the same record as KSU, then we have lost at least one more game.
Bottom line is it would be very unlikely for KU to make the Big 12 title game at this point.
@kjayhawks said in KU Football is Now Relevant. Take the Next Step Tonight.:
We should jump OU IMO, same record and we beat them recently. I personally think the B12 doesn’t have a top 10 team, Maybe a healthy Texas. We actually need help getting to Arlington at this point, even winning out we need losses for Texas and OSU.
KU needs two losses from each which is unlikely because each has the tiebreaker over KU.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU Football is Now Relevant. Take the Next Step Tonight.:
@KirkIsMyHinrich do we move up?
We likely jump Notre Dame since they've already lost. If USC loses, we'll jump them. We should also be cheering for Colorado and Arizona to win tonight as well and KU could potentially jump up several spots.
This is a huge win for Kansas. Clinching a winning record for the first time in 15 years and a road win against what's likely going to be a bowl team from the Big 12 in a very long time.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Interesting Games Today?:
I don't know how we get in. Looks impossible, even if we win out.
KU needs help and all of this is based on KU winning out.
OSU and Texas both have the tiebreaker over KU and would need to lose twice. A KSU win over Texas today would've helped KU a lot. Texas has to drop 2 of 3 to BYU, ISU, and Texas Tech for KU to jum them.
OSU is going to beat OU which is also bad for Kansas because now KU needs OSU to drop two of three to UCF, Houston, and BYU for KU to jump them.
Texas and Oklahoma St. seems like the most likely title game match up at this point if KU were to win out. If KU loses, Iowa St. is very much in the conversation because they beat OSU and have that tiebreaker over the Cowboys.
So bottom line, it's very unlikely KU reaches the B12 title game because it's very unlikely Texas or OSU lose 2 of their last 3 and that's assuming KU wins out.
@jayballer67 said in Well time to quiet this cyclone:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Well time to quiet this cyclone:
I think the doubt about KU this weekend is justified because KU still hasn't shown an ability to consistently win road games against B12 teams.
Well guess we just got to strap. I guess I'll be in the minority but I like our it up then and prove who we are chances cause I know this ISY DOES NOT want to try and get into shoot out with us - -- -ROCK CHALK
What Kansas is at this point is a good football team that hasn't learned how to consistently win on the road yet. Including this season Leipold is 2-9 in Big 12 road games and neither win came against a team that finished with a winning record that season.
This is the next step in the development of Kansas football to become a serious threat to play for a Big 12 championship in future years. At this time however, Kansas has to actually go out win these types of games consistently to start showing the progress that they can beat bowl quality teams away from Lawrence.
You are right that ISU doesn't want to get into a shootout with Kansas, but Kansas also likely needs to score more than the 14 points they scored last year against ISU to win as well today.
I think the doubt about KU this weekend is justified because KU still hasn't shown an ability to consistently win road games against B12 teams.
I didn't get a chance to see either exhibition game, but here's what I know about Bill Self in exhibition games. He doesn't coach those games like he does regular season games. He uses the exhibition games to focus on specific things, to tinker and experiment with different rotations. This is twofold for why he does it. One, he doesn't want to show what his exact plans for offensive and defensive sets are and two, he may hit upon something he likes that he can keep in his back pocket for the tournament.
As for specific players. It sounds like many were expecting something different from Hunter Dickinson than what he is. He is not the most mobile or athletic guy, that's why he's still in college instead of the NBA. I've said from the very beginning when he committed that on defense, David McCormack is the comparison player and we will eventually see Self move to the same style of defense the title team ran.
He's also not an elite rebounder, but he is competent in that area and KU will be fine in rebounding.
I'm also not sure why anyone was expecting KU to be an offensive juggernaut this year. This was never going to be a highly skilled offensive team, this always going to be a lower scoring team that wins a lot of games in the 50's and 60's with its defense. Just like the last 2 years, this will be a team that has stretches where it struggles to score points, that's not new and won't change this season.
I'm also not sure why people think Hunter is going to make this team play at a snail's pace. McCormack was very similar to Dickinson in terms of athleticism and KU was still top 75 in tempo during the title season. We're not expecting Dickinson to lead the break, but he is an excellent passer and can start the break. His 3 point ability also makes very dangerous on the break because he can be the trailer and set up at the top of the key for a look there to open up other driving lanes if a defender closes out on him.
I also saw a lot of mention last night of Dickinson being double or triple teamed and players not cutting to the basket. I'm betting that was intentional on Self's part to not show what he's been cooking up this season because that and inbounds plays are his biggest strengths as a play designer. Dickinson does have a reputation of being a great passer for a bog man so I would be surprised if Self doesn't have several cuts for players designed and practiced already when Dickinson is double teamed.
I will acknowledge that not having Morris this season will hurt the offense because that was the guy that could create his own shot when the offense breaks down and I don't believe we have that right now.
There is not a flawless or invincible team in college basketball this season and KU will probably take some L's early on, or least not look great, while the returning core builds in game chemistry with the newcomers, especially Dickinson since he'll be the focal point of the offense this year.
And I do still believe that Dickinson will be in the mix for NPOY by the end of the season.
@jayballer67 There's another one (I think CBS) that has KU against Arizona in the Alamo Bowl.
KU is wearing special Maui themed uniforms for the game tomorrow. They look pretty nice. It'd be cool to see them wearing them in Honolulu also.
@kjayhawks said in Jalon Daniels health:
I honestly wonder if we aren’t 8-0 with Jalen as our starter. We are lucky to have Bean in a lot of way. He probably could start at several power 5 schools if he transferred.
I don't think we beat Texas even with Daniels.
HOLY SHIT!!!!
That was OPI!
@DCHawker said in Will weather be a factor tomorrow /predictions:
That's one of those situations where you go down at the 1 foot line...
Not with a kicker who's had multiple short kicks blocked this season.
I'm glad to be wrong about this drive!!!
@DanR said in Will weather be a factor tomorrow /predictions:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Will weather be a factor tomorrow /predictions:
@DanR said in Will weather be a factor tomorrow /predictions:
Still might have another shot. d has been great
If KU gets the ball back, KU has to throw and do you trust Bean's decision making to get KU down to about the 20-25 yardline because I don't right now.
He’s due!
There's not much in his 2+ years at KU that give me faith in his decision making abilities.
@DanR said in Will weather be a factor tomorrow /predictions:
Still might have another shot. d has been great
If KU gets the ball back, KU has to throw and do you trust Bean's decision making to get KU down to about the 20-25 yardline because I don't right now.
That drive is more on Kotelnicki to me. You have three timeouts with Neal and Hishaw amd only need a FG. You gotta run the ball in that situation until you can't.
If they're depending on Bean's arm, KU isn't winning this one.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Will weather be a factor tomorrow /predictions:
Flag?
That was clean defense.
This is 4 down territory for KU at this point.
@kjayhawks said in Will weather be a factor tomorrow /predictions:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I hate to be so critical but man missed a wide open TD and 2 point conversion. That’s 6 points on him. One player doesn’t lose us the game but damn dude you are 6th year guy.
This is who Bean is, this isn't a one game issue for him. He doesn't make great decisions with his passes and that's always been the knock on him.
@DanR said in Will weather be a factor tomorrow /predictions:
Wilson get hurt? I’m not wild about Logan taking these hits on runbacks
Wilson fumbled a kickoff to give OU their second TD.
@kjayhawks said in Will weather be a factor tomorrow /predictions:
Do we have another drive in us?
As long as we can run it. I don't trust Bean's decision making if he has to throw it.
I don't know that Bean had a great option on that third down to throw to. Probably should've taken off and ran for it.