There were so few fans left in Citizen's Bank Park, I think I could hear the car alarms going off. :joy:
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nuleafjhawk said:
@dylans I've never given a hoot about TT
Oh no! You said the words! Does this means you'll be the next coach of TT come next season?
@KirkIsMyHinrich bummer
@wissox point taken, but I'd consider him a Jayhawk for 2 years, just as Matt Kleinmann was a Jayhawk for 4. Who is to say Dedrics contributions on the practice squad last year didn't contribute to our E8 win over Duke?
In a world where we increasingly rely on crowd sourced opinion and technology that proxies our interface with reality, are humans losing their ability to be impartial?
BeddieKU23 said:
Who woulda thunk that recruiting services got him so wrong
Him and Zhaire Smith. Same class. 2 3 star lottery picks.
@Kcmatt7 I know I know. But it's really uncomfortable when the refs overturn a call that they have no business overturning. That in my mind counts a whole lot more. Thats like taking a toy from a child and handing it to another child. It cuts deep.
There was also the foul on Culver when Hunter went over the back.
I'd take either of these guys in a heartbeat.
Virginia put themselves in position to win. But there is no excuse for that call against Moretti.
I want to vomit a little bit how they won. Reality no longer matters. There is only desired outcome and engineering to get there.
Rock Chalk to Dedric. Had I known him longer I think I'd be more mushy now. I was sad to see Perry retire a Jayhawk after 35 years of playing basketball at AFH. Another guy with old man game. Perry also had a great sense of humor. Loved his vine account. I digress.
Dedric were the man this year, and it's a shame we didn't have more pieces to compliment him. I have been a harsh critic, but I wish him the best. He's conducted himself with class, and I echo his sentiment. Jayhawk for life! Thanks and Rock Chalk.
@wissox well, maybe you'd root for Duke too if your Alma mater was:
I like Barnes at Tennessee. It's a good fit. UCLA is gonna be weird. I hope he doesn't get a facelift and start hanging out with rappers.
HighEliteMajor said:
Well, or one that lost in the first round to the Anteaters.
:joy:
Every single reference ESPN has made to the UVA game has mentioned a "controversial foul" call. There was never any controversy about the call, it was a clear foul. The only controversy around the game was regarding the double dribble moments before. The ability to coordinate this unified front of bullshit across all their stories i think speaks to the level that ESPN is engineering their news. It is a well oiled poo factory at this point, having coordinate bias in Duke's favor for 2 decades.
This is a simple little lie. But it's deliberate, because a controversy simply must be the last play in their sensationalist formula. And so it is, truth be damned.
https://larrybrownsports.com/college-basketball/ryan-odom-new-virginia-tech-coach/490564 ↗
Ryan Odom (umbc coach) to Virginia Tech. Shaka 2.0?
Check TTs recruiting same year:
https://247sports.com/college/texas-tech/Season/2017-Basketball/Commits/ ↗
@tundrahok I think I don't go after the top 20 guys at all, unless they are deadset on coming to KU. Let Duke and Kentucky fight over them. Go after 21-100. Then I don't have as much of a problem with a few transfers if they're fitting into a deep rotation of mostly 3-4 year guys.
@tundrahok :)
I don't know who was responsible for connecting with the Lawsons and Charlie, but as for the other guys, I'd give Snacks a B for Marcus and Townsend an F for SDS and Preston (F for Fired).
I get your point that transfers are a big part of the landscape, and I always check myself about going too hard against transfers considering Malik and Tarik. I mostly think 3 was too many. Those years we invested in 1, and both were smart investments.
Question. In this article about Charlie... https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Article/Source-KU-basketballs-Charlie-Moore-to-transfer-130700152/ ↗
Does this mean that the Lawsons were friends with (?) and might have encouraged taking Charlie on?
He initially committed to Memphis before swapping to California, where he was heavily featured in his freshman season.
If this was a 3 person package that makes Dedric's acquisition even more costly.
Also here's the people we replaced:
- Jamari Traylor F
- Hunter Mickelson F
- Evan Manning G
- Perry Ellis F
- Wayne Selden, Jr. G Junior
- Brannen Greene G Junior
- Cheick Diallo F Freshman Entered Draft[5]
That's a huge group to depart at once. And I can see how Self would want to get grad transfers to try to stagger the departures a bit more. So, that probably should be taken into account when grading the heavy investment in transfers in Dedric/KJ/Charlie. However, we end up right back at the same place trying to fill 6 guys if Doke, SDS, and Q leave.
Of the 6 schollie guys that left above, (Evan wasnt schollie, right?) only Perry and Wayne and Jamari (in being a max effort, good kid, team player whom I'm sure was a good influence) grew to be what we hoped they would be. Had Brannen and Check been high character 3 or 4 year guys, they would have suited Self a lot better and we would not now be talking about a 6 player class that gets a D. Maybe a 4 player class that gets a C?
You could argue that less is more:
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^ This might be a better class because Bennett returns guys and doesn't need a big class. In our case we bring in 1 guy that never plays and 3 that leave after playing 1 year. Which will again leave our program in a state of disarray.
And we havent mentioned that with the exception of Dedric's .397 3pt%, the other guys in that group are all awful 3 pt shooters! Marcus .245, Charlie .267, KJ .310 SDS N/A? Preston N/A
Oh sorry, I read that as Mcdonalds All American.
Got you. Dedric was the best piece of the class, but also couldn't rim protect, couldn't dunk, dominated ball, and came with a kid brother who was average. He was a piece to the puzzle, he was not a transcendant player. He was a pre-season All-American, he was a third team All American when the dust settled.
@tundrahok because that All American was given a car from a booster and didnt play a single minute for KU? That's -1 scholarship, negative press, and increases the chances of harsh penalties from the NCAA in exchange for zilch.
Surely there is a character element to recruiting? I feel like we have seen enough of Preston and family to recognize that they were bad news, at least in hindsight.
Congrats to espndnewell, who had the top bracket with UVA winning and the top bracket with TT winning. Nice!
Even with KU out, for most part pretty happy with the teams that got to keep dancing at each round this year, big exception being every team that lost to Duke.
kjayhawks said:
Virginia gotta pretty lucky, miss an obvious double dribble and that was a weak foul on a trash shot at the buzzer. But what a difference a year makes.
How was that a weak foul on a trash shot? That was a clear foul on a money 3 point shooter who was set on the baseline.
Enjoyed the UVA Auburn game. Glad to see Guy out of his slump.
... Wishes every single player wouldn't shuffle their feet after catching the ball on the perimeter these days. It's a constant reminder that the games rules are being applied subjectively.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
That duke win was oh so satisfying! Was so happy for the sr's.
It was pretty great. But Duke is a product of the environment as well. The worst, ugliest product of this environment.
dylans said:
@tundrahok no. Never bought into that line of thought, but I never considered the reason for the streak to end would be cheating to reach a final four.
Did something change between all the teams prior and last year's team with Silvio? Did we suddenly need to pay Preston and Silvio and never had to do that to get high talent players before? Either we have been paying players all along, or we didn't need to have Silvio to get to the FF, we could have recruited a talented big cleanly, like we did in years past.
So in my mind, saying we don't get to FF without Silvio can also be construed as "we can't ever sniff a championship without paying players all along". That may be the case. But, I have to consider whether I want to watch CBB any more if it is. And not because I don't think the kids should get payed, specifically. I'm just tired of the vast hypocrisy of a highly profitable industry creating this bullshit system of pay under the table.
What happened last year? How was our recruiting so bad? That's a pretty dysfunctional class.
Bill Self playing the talent he had = B+
I would have liked to have seen a little more big Dave. He did come on strong late. What could Self really do differently with the talent he had otherwise? He pulled the red shirt off Agbaji, and the kid started out red hot, but cooled off. He played Vick, Vick just quit the team. He let Q play through his issues, Charlie through his issues, KJ through his issues.
Had Doke been healthy, SDS was available, and Vick stayed, would I be questioning why he played certain guys in situations where the most talented guy was on the bench? Probably a little more yeah. But that isn't what happened.
Bill Self recruiting top talent this year = A-
I think building around Dedric was a big mistake. Recruiting around SDS was an epic mistake. And KJ, Charlie were not very impactful scholarship players. But Im counting these guys as recruits from last year's class.
And I really really like Dotson and Agbaji and Dave, and if Q stayed I think he could grow into a decent player. All four of these guys made a really solid recruiting class.
As far as last years class, that has got to be = D
De Souza - horrible for Kansas
Preston - horrible for Kansas
Garrett - bad shooter, good defender, pretty good athlete
Dedric - skilled scorer, competitor, underathletic
KJ - slow big, not very athletic, decent shooter
Charlie - shooter who shoots but can't shoot
@HighEliteMajor :100: I'm pretty sure Self would have used Diallo this year!
Scotty Pippen Jr looked half decent in those Cassius Stanley clips I saw. Going to Vandy.
chris clarke, wabissa bede transferring from vt possibly.
@Bosthawk I liked Dedric. I just didn't like him for our team. He's a piece that is good enough to win you some games but not good enough as a centerpiece. I've always wondered what he would have looked like with a full cast around him.
I think for those who point at Doke going down as the moment our dreams of title contention were dashed gloss over the fact that Doke and Dedric did not play well together. On paper, we always assumed that they would, but in reality, the lack of athleticism while still both clogging the lane, and inability to pass from both of those guys made me doubt that it would ever really gel.
Blackshear at VT will seek a modest fortune in Europe, like his dad did, [instead of transfering]. Not official, but he will is my guess.
@BeddieKU23 to Port over your news from another thread. KJ gone (-1) = 11
BeddieKU23 said:
Kcmatt7 said:
Would not be shocked to see Blackshear grad transfer.
Would take Dedric Lawson 2.0 with some hops anyday
Yes pls
Well we are one year removed from Malik. Without that guy no way we beat Duke in e8
Cronin has also come up a bit.
@BeddieKU23 sucks for VT. There's fear that his top talent will follow him. Top two rumour names for next hire are .... Wait for it... Gregg Marshall and WoJo! :nauseated_face:
Buzz Williams about to go to A&M for an obscene amount of cabbage. Prob 6 mill annual. Would make him 4th highest paid coach ahead of Self by 1.5 mill.
Brutal. How lucky are we!
I should bring the board down more often ;) thanks.havent had to do much this year. I will upgrade to latest soon once bball season is over.
@jayballer73 thanks man! Another great season almost in the books.
kjayhawks said:
People want to give KU jazz for choking. This dook team may get 4 guys in the lottery this summer and has arguably the best coach ever.
You're making me vomit in my mouth a little bit. Best coach ever? Give me a break.