You have to make the case that his return will be more valuable to his stock than the risk of injury and loss of a year's income at the next level.
There is the outside chance he doesn't feel ready for the move. He is quite young and a foreign player, still adapting to life in America. Another small chance he wants to come back to get something done here (national championship).
There is definitely room on the roster for Doke to return and start but I sure don't think it is likely.
Yes. Vaccines tend to show up after bugs have already peaked.
Studies have to be completed first. And then, by coming out after nature has already sent the bug over the bell curve, people question their effectiveness since the bug is already being reduced.
Those involved in developing vaccines claim there is new technology in place that will reduce the time in development. Guess we shall see. Obviously, there is a huge desire to see it developed quickly!
I know I have shared my skepticism on vaccines.... but I truly hope a vaccine comes quickly, while the virus is thriving, and it would be a great opportunity to prove it's effectiveness! Let's hope science comes through for much needed help!
@kjayhawks said in Next season...:
One issue that we haven’t discussed in this is, a postseason ban next season. I would’ve been mad no matter what but if we’d made the final four or won the title this season the sting would be much much less. It’s amazing what pops up when we have a team with a shot. Everything from injuries to NCAA eligibility issue and now a virus.
That will be answered by the question: Will our country remain in disarray?
We have a year to figure out how to adjust to contagious viruses. Will the bug win? At this point it is easy to be skeptical. Is it just a matter of finding a vaccine? What about future bugs?
This is the first time we have addressed testing and tracking bugs. By not having available tests, it is clear we have to say our system has failed (up to this point).
And since the powers of decisions are in the hands of politicians (instead of medical professionals) it is hard to think our reactions will shift away from fear and misinformation to proper logic from those who study bugs.
NBA is completely different from NCAA.
NBA has agency and player's union. We shouldn't look at these two groups and expect everything to go the same.
And their leagues are structured totally different for venues, insurances, etc. There are several unions involved concerning any issue with the NBA.
Go appreciate this by hugging and kissing one of your elderly loved ones.
NO WAIT! Try standing at least 6 feet away and throw them kisses from that distance!
Cheer up, my friend. We will always remain a conquering force in basketball!
I just look for a brighter way to view this so I can sleep soundly.
We were favored in this tournament but there was still and excellent chance we lost it. At least we don't have to have that scenario.
We can always imagine this as our National Championship and no one else has that above us because everyone knows we were favored to win it.
I'm a nut. I get excited still thinking back to 08 and 88 with Manning... and everything around it... like TRob, Withey, Frank the Tank...
It's been such a blessing to be a Jayhawk fan, historically and going forward!
I quickly came around to acceptance as I changed a big medical appointment for my 87 yr old dad who is at total risk of the virus. Trying to keep him out of public places, especially medical centers.
Hopefully we will get through all of this in a month or two and the risk will drop though I can see it return big in the fall.
@Bosthawk said in NCAA Tournament: Should it happen?:
We are all going to wonder for the rest of our lives whether this was the year we win it, Selfs second championship. What if, what if, what if. We had a pretty damn good shot this year didn’t we? Great defense, best point guard, arguably best big man, a well-balanced well coached core of team guys. And it wasn’t like there was another monster NCAA team that were better really.
What stunningly incredible bad luck. We will get through this virus, but it will take a few months probably, then hopefully we are wiser about epidemics, and can get on with our lives again. But we will always always wonder what if.
We have the argument that we have lost the most because we were the odds on favorites. And we will always carry the "what ifs."
But as this moves on I'm feeling pretty good about myself and other Jayhawk fans quickly coming to terms with this situation realizing that human lives trump a basketball game.
We had a damn good season and I'm satisfied with that. We were blessed with some really outstanding games, like the Baylor game in Waco.
I'm already thinking about next season and I'm wondering if we will be over this virus by November.
It's been tough for me to pull away from games whether there is a crowd or not.
But I've come around to thinking it is best to cancel. It's really about protecting those at risk. I am spending a big chunk of my time now creating a safer environment around my loved ones at risk.
You have expressed frustrations we all feel. Stay connected.
I hear your frustrations. I've definitely illustrated my skepticism in these blogs.
But we have a crisis now and have to come together and focus on what we need to do now. It's a crisis in medical, financial and other areas.
The most important thing for all of us to do now is to look around us at the ones we love and evaluate their risk in this. Elderly and those with immune issues need to be protected. Do what you need to do... limit these people from human contact with others and then use social distancing, masks and gloves and a clean environment to help reduce risk.
Help build their immunity with consumption of black elderberry, antioxidants (like blueberries), vitamin C, etc.
It sure does, my friend!
Looks like we will all have an opportunity to reevaluate our lifestyles.
Great opportunity to work on family relationships.
With the Big 12 tourney still in place.... it is best we treat that like the Final Four because this will mark the end of our season.
And a loss will raise criticism that we didn't finish the season #1 in the nation!
Jay Bilas says the tourney should be postponed or cancelled:
Expect this to happen today or tomorrow at the latest.
Bye bye NC!
Gupta mentioned this morning maybe 1% of our population is now infected. That's 3.5 million or so.
Finally a more realistic number mentioned.
If that is accurate or close to it, then we should quickly see a huge death count if it is as deadly as they projected.
Okay. It's a % within each age group.
Right. It shows each age group and it should add up to 100%.
And Hanks and others.... yet our country only has a little over 1000 cases. Gheez.....
Talk about ultimate chip.... these guys end up #1 and don't get to prove it!
I don't understand your chart. It doesn't add up close to 100%.
I'm in!
Anyone else?
Let's do this! Seriously! There is no law stating we can't gather.
We will follow the rules above and we will have a safe gathering!
Done!
Think I will see if we can rent AFH for every game.
We will fill it!
Everyone sign a silly waiver and let's get it on!!!
We'll have Self bring speakers to each game and we will send a live audio feed for crowd noise!!!
They've got to make up for a lot of lost income. My bet is pay-per-view.
Don't sweat it... you are officially invited to my party! $1 a head should more than cover the cost.
Guess I will have to break the social distancing rules by throwing a huge party and pack my living room elbow to elbow.
Coughing and sneezing allowed only at halftime.
"Based on their advice and my discussions with the NCAA Board of Governors, I have made the decision to conduct our upcoming championship events, including the Division I men's and women's basketball tournaments, with only essential staff and limited family attendance."
LIMITED FAMILY ATTENDANCE! We're okay. The Jayhawk Nation is all family! ;)
Question now... We lose our huge fan base wherever they play but will it really be a disadvantage for us? We always get the rest of the crowd against us from the other schools since we are favorites.
Isn't this the time to have that "chip" kick in totally now that the nerves will be gone?
Might Doke now shoot FTs like he does in practice?
These games will be surreal and so will it be to watch them.
Will the bench (coaches) be on a microphone?
The NCAA could pay a production company to fill in the soundtrack with crowd roar. Won't be the first time in sports...
New definition acquired after Coronavirus:
"Consumer confidence" = Standing in checkout line at the market and noticing the person in front of you with a shopping cart full of toilet paper. Then deciding that consumer looks like he/she knows something special so pull out of line to add more toilet paper to your cart.
At least toilet paper is decent insulation! Fill the room with TP, just leaving a squatting space in the center. hahahaaa.... Kind of sounds like I know from experience! (not going to say)
(proper social distancing)
Yes... It is tragic that we have to push people to react on social distancing, etc., while suffer catastrophic results in other areas because of the frenzy mentality.
There is no going back so we should continue giving info and hope some of it sticks...
All the stats are necessary for scientific evaluation. But it's being used as fuel for the fire of fear with the public.
Is that a good thing? On one hand, it stays in the short attention span of the public and may entice them to follow rules of social distancing, etc. On the other hand... it's chasing off confidence in the stock market, creating supplies shortages, killing business in almost every sector.
We are struggling to survive two separate viruses; the coronavirus, and the juxtavirus of the coronavirus (public reaction).
We live in a time of "frenzy logic." Science used to be something exercised behind closed doors and then only leaked to the public carefully. Today we have "science" from legit sources and questionable sources and often directly released to the public, who are untrained in science and easily taken advantage of by those with a specific motive. Science isn't supposed to be a tool of motive. It's a tool striving to limit bias. "Facts" are replaced with "levels of confidence." Knowledge is building blocks, a stream of studies both supporting and not-supporting ideas. The goal is to take ideas (hypothesis) through a conversion into logic statements, building empirical data, injecting into mathematical formulas to reach conclusions within a structure of confidence levels. Results aren't based on the way most minds work with analysis. We see what follows: misunderstanding, fear, misdirection, etc etc etc.
Look how quickly the public turns "science findings" into illogical decisions as they go from a feeling of safety to danger. Let's look at TOILET PAPER consumption. We did not have a toilet paper shortage in America. We have enough.... during calm times. Then we go into "frenzy logic." The public no longer stays calm and the beast comes out. GO BUY TOILET PAPER! So you have that initial group of buyers who are completely without trust of others, buying up TP. Then you have the next group in... those hearing from the media that TP is flying off the shelves so they go stock up "just in time." Then you have the victims... those who didn't react and run out. I'm probably missing a group or two.... like those hoping to profit over this by selling TP on the black market, or should I say "brown market."
There was a reason why science used to be safely buffered from the public.
It's a dose filled in a bottomless medicine cup! Keep a steady flow and flush out all the toxic seriousness from your life!
*even supported by medical studies.
Rock Chalk, my friend!
Ha... they are following the coaching strategy I use for my 6 yr old's team! Everyone plays...
Maintaining our sanity and health requires a big medical dose of humor.... thanks!
Thanks for the link.
I believe these formulas will change considerably as the outbreak continues.
These current formulas do not consider testing accuracy confidence data which come from a positive/negative control input (which is used to calculate testing accuracy).
This is my irritable gut again... my gut thinks that over the next week or two the gov will be releasing a million or so test kits and then the infection numbers explode. Then the NCAA is in real trouble. They've kept everything moving along with the belief that games will have fans in places that are not hot spots for the virus and then suddenly that changes. Last second cancellations for fans? Imagine that. Imagine all those fans spending money and traveling at risk then being cancelled at the end.
Could we see protests at arenas? Maybe even violence?
I know the NCAA isn't exactly loved by many. If what I mention happens, there will be some extremely upset fans.
Many "experts" on this are already past thinking we can strive for localized virus control. They are on to mitigation as the strategy.
I could be wrong (for the millionth time)... but I still feel that saving lives must first start with the individual.
Many people are old or sick and they are at a disadvantage. But everyone, especially those at a disadvantage, must put their focus on health and building their immunity.
After watching many around me die from cancer, I started focusing on health. I quickly realized that what we put in our bodies is key. We need exercise, fresh air, a sense of humor, and safe healthy food and drink. I made that my life's mission as I became a late-blooming father. More than anything, I want my kids to be healthy. So I turned my home into our life source! I transformed the land into a growing space. Fruit trees, berry patches, figs, huge vegetable garden, herbs, grapes, and medicinal plants. All organic, and requiring a lot of extra effort in composting and developing soil. Okay... I know what you are thinking... and you can call me a weirdo!
I have an indoor garden for the winter. Sprouts, wheatgrass (and other grasses) and micro greens. I can my harvest to get me through the winter and I dry herbs for teas and live on root plants. I make kombucha and other ferments. Big on all kinds of kimchi. Big on smoothies... Big on drinking distilled water... Big on air filtering machines in every room to improve air quality indoors.
I don't take pharma because I don't need pharma. Obviously, that day may change as I age... but it's my goal to keep it natural and every health issue I've had to face (so far) I've been able to substitute synthetic medicine for a natural solution.
The real wake-up around this situation is one of personal responsibility (for most of us). For those who are less fortunate, we should do whatever we can to help them though we all must realize death is a part of life. I know my dad would be pissed off if the tournament isn't played in an effort to save his life! He's a Korean Vet and great human being and he's had his day in the sun.
Yikes. At first I didn't know what to think of that guy... then as it progressed and he spoke further it is obvious he knows what he is talking about.
That ending...
I hope our country, the wealthiest nation on earth, starts realizing we need to push a large chunk of our military spending into solving problems like this.
I support our military but how safe can they keep us when all the medical supplies we need are being made overseas and those supply lines get cut off?
I'm wondering that because 13 people died from that one facility in Seattle. Maybe we should know more about that situation before we pass judgment on the harshness of this bug.
I don't think we really understand the fatality rate when looking at deaths compared to those tested and found to have it. That accuracy is at best a guess because most of the population doesn't even have side effects and the ones who do probably most don't get tested.
My gut says it's less fatal than Type A and B.... but everyone on this site knows how accurate my gut is from previous seasons!
Except for in the test tube... how would someone know their clogged nose is Corona or Type A flu?
Why would the average Joe get tested? His parents are at risk regardless of the type of flu!
I'm having a bad thought... that the tourney continues but all players are screened and we lose Doke and Devon to the virus so they are sidelined.
You are probably right. I've said along that this version of coronavirus will make us more alert to all flu! They all kill elders and those with weak immunity.
Naaaaa..... feels like we will just be adding another Helms Foundation trophy!
Unfortunately... coughing into your elbow is not a perfect solution.
Personally, I have no fear of this virus bothering me. But I do fear it bothering my 87 yr old dad and others!
I always have a fever when watching KU basketball! I'm serious. My adrenaline kicks in and I'm a sweaty mess!
BTW: Doke actually looks more menacing with the mask!
Moved this to a new thread...
I moved this from another thread... just too important...
Let’s get a vote on what we think will happen:
The NCAA Tournament will continue as usual but with a few adjustments, like hand sanitizers at every gate. Maybe require masks.
The NCAA Tournament will continue but without an audience.
The NCAA Tournament will be cancelled all together.
Let's face it.... our country was caught off guard. We didn't take the threat serious after facing two other versions of coronavirus; MERS and SARS.
But lets move forward and say, "it is what it is."
And what it is... is a death threat to the elderly and those with a compromised immune system.
We don't feel like hanging up the season without a conclusion. And neither does any other fan, coach, player, school or the NCAA.
If you examine the last 48 hours you will find that events are being cancelled almost across the board.
Can we find a safe compromise?
I would like your ideas on how we can make March Madness happen while protecting the safety of all.
Fans:
Fans are temperature screened before entering the arena. A specific temperature will disqualify fans from entering.
Fans are required to wear a mask. If they didn't bring one, one will be provided at the gate, perhaps for a fee.
All fans get a healthy splash of sanitizer as they enter the arena. They are also given a small bottle of sanitizer to take with them to their seat.
Extra personnel are on hand to walk around and keep sanitizing commonly touched areas during the game.
Public address will run constant messages before every game and at half time and after conclusion on safety policies.
Teams:
Coaches and players will be tested before games. They will also be screened for temperature right before games.
Coaches and bench players wear a mask.
Hand sanitizer is in constant use on the bench as players enter and exit the game.
Players and coaches are instructed on safety protocols prior to the game.
Arena Personnel:
Follows the same protocol as teams.
This virus may diminish soon, especially as warmer weather comes, but it is here and it is likely to be here to stay. Excellent chance we will face this same situation after the summer. We will have to learn to adjust our lifestyles while still living them!
Why not make March Madness the experimental public event?
I bet many of you have ideas to add into this!
Let's get a vote on what we think will happen:
The NCAA Tournament will continue as usual but with a few adjustments, like hand sanitizers at every gate. Maybe require masks.
The NCAA Tournament will continue but without an audience.
The NCAA Tournament will be cancelled all together.
I'm in the same boat as you.... except I'm 61 and my dad is 87 and stuck in a bed.
The media is just starting to figure out that the real line of defense is between everyone and the elderly and those with immune issues.
Now there is a run on black elderberry extract. Better get it while you can!
If you have someone elderly you want to protect... wear masks and gloves around them and keep them at home for the time being.
Purchase black elderberry (sambucol) to give them daily. There have been small studies showing effectiveness against flu symptoms. All foods with heavy antioxidants destroy viruses. I use organic blueberries with my family.
Several vitamins are helpful, including C.
BTW: I'm not a doctor. Everyone should have contact with a quality physician. I'm discussing lifestyle, not medicine.