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Well , I know already that this is more likely then not , not the best way to be taking these suspensions I get that , so no need for anyone to find the time to tell me. I realize shouldn't look at them like this BUT:

Seeing as how these suspensions have become a reality , and there is nothing that can be done about them , then might as well stand back and reflect how this will effect the team. How will we approach./ attack

So if you stand back and look at things with Silvio , you have to look in reality his suspension really shouldn't effect us that much because his playing time was almost non factor anyways, really not much production at this time anyways on either end. What was his minutes around 5 ? - -So not having him really is not a change from where we were at before the Suspension. - As Far as Dave , most on here has made it clear that you think we are better with the 4-1 anyways right ? - I agree just more fluid, yet Coach was still STARTING him but how long has he been in after the start ? - Coach usually pulls him by the 1`st TV timeout and were running with the 4-1 right ? - - So with him being suspended for 2 games just means we start the game running with 4-1 really not much of a change there then anyways. - The only thing is , we won't have him to break Doke and gonna be a Challenge for those 2 games if Doke gets in foul trouble Gonna miss some rebounding for those 2 games. - -Considering who we play for these 2 games Dave is out I think we can survive. Tennessee & Okie State right ?

All I'm saying is and not trying to make light of a bad situation/suspensions is that in the overall grand scheme of things that actually it really shouldn't effect us with the outcome of these games anyways all thing considered. Now would of been a much different story I think if Garrett would of been suspended because he plays a much bigger part in every phase of play it could of had some effect - - just my thoughts. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Kcmatt7 said:

We aren't Baylor. But we aren't exactly a church choir either.

Most of this comes from just being under a microscope. We've made ourselves an easy target though too.

KSU, in my opinion, was just as much at fault for the incident. But that isn't what the media has said at all. The narrative has been "evil terrible bad cheating team coached by known villain Bill Self preys on measly weak innocent Wildcats team coached by civil rights activist Bruce Weber in backyard brawl."

you got that right Kcmatt. we sure aren't any Church Choir. I had no problem with Silvio running back at bat that ball like a ping pong after he got it took. - - Like several of people off ESPN said that the K-state player broke the un-written law by doing what he done at the end of the game , they say he is the one that actually struck the match to the whole thing.

So Silvio smacking that back no problem what so eve. - What I DID have a problem with was he standing over the kid and taunting him. - What I DID have a problem with was when he picked up the stool , there is no place in Basketball for that. Yet K-State was for sure just as much for the brawl part. When you look at the one where it states it's from a different angle , it actually looked as if Sloan was the first to push Silvio back - -THEN Silvio gets up and starts swinging at anything moving kind of took off from there. Like you say though you don't hear a lot about K-State

DanR said:

Mario Little battery, Tyshawn fight with football players, Sherron elevator incident, Vick battery, Josh kicking car, Bragg battery, rape of 16 year old girl in the dorm...

off the top of my head

that's a good start of the list anyways and probably more

dylans said:

Sensationalism sells. KU is a nice fat target and they can’t seem to get out of their own way recently.

ya I know your right , but I just get really tired of they're tirades about us

I just want to say these this : - - - ESPN , FLAT SUCKS TOTAL BULLSHIT SITE.

of course they're at half time during the Auburn game was OF COURSE talking about the brawl last night, that. was predictable Yet the main guy felt the need to talk more smack talking about KU being one of the 4 bluebloods , and how we have had ALL THESE THINGS going on bringing up the FBI thing - - AGAIN.

Just curious , is there anyone here that is not aware of the whole FBI investigation and the NCAA that they felt the need to bring up - - AGAIN ? - - No ? - - Didn't think so

So in summation let me just finish by saying , ESPN FLAT SUCKS , oh wait I just said that. seems like ESPN is catching on with me , just repeating old news. - -Did I say that ESPN FLAT SUCKS? - ok thank you I feel MUCH BETTER NOW thanks my KU friends for letting me tell you the news.

ESPN is just a terrible no good suck as site . establishment. nothing but a bunch of ACC butt kissers - - umm did I mention that ESPN FLAT SUCKS ? - - ok ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

kjayhawks said:

Interesting because more than 2 wildcats threw punches from I saw and I didn’t see David hit anyone. I thought he may have a game but damn.

pretty reasonable - -fair -glad Garrett no suspension ,had been talk about him getting a game. -- I thought sloan might get a game too. I'm ok with it

Just heard that Love's suspension will not start until he is medically cleared to play.

sports host saying he will be serving that suspension while he plays for Chicago State next year lmao

DanR said:

@FarmerJayhawk Pretty sure that puts his suspension one game past the @KSU game

He will be eligible for the last Conference game , return the following game AFTER - - K-Sate

FarmerJayhawk said:

Too steep for Silvio. Rest seems fair.

No this is about right

BShark said:

@jayballer73 Nothing for anyone else.

Love and Antonio Gordon are the suspended purps.

ya I saw love got EIGHT GAMES. - -but hell he doesn't play anyway, always talking about him being hurt or just not good enough to play

@BShark Well I got Mc Cormack right - -Nothing for Garrett ?

Get ready boys and Girls , they are supposedly getting ready to reveal what the penalities are. - -Not sure where we will find them probably off ESPN. - -I'm listening to the local spots talk program here in Topeka.

They were all guessing the suspensions, kind of surprised I actually came pretty close to what they were thinking - -we will see. - - -I got 7 for Desousa - - -2 for McCormack - - & 1 for Garrett

FarmerJayhawk said:

Kcmatt7 said:

bskeet said:

Kansan vs Kansan outside of the game is not healthy. It's fun to have a rivalry, but fans should remember we have to be united for bigger issues and opponents.

I'll root for KState over Alabama... or any SEC, ACC, etc opponent for that matter.

After the band fellatio, I quit rooting for KSU for anything. How their fans reacted to that is pitiful.

Same with this stupid fight. "He wAs JuSt PlAyInG tO tHe wHistLe."

They can't even accept that a single one of their players had anything to do with the situation. That maybe their bench shouldn't have reacted that way. I'm not trying to say Silvio was innocent. He was absolutely the main reason the scuffle started. But they literally can't own up to the smallest of things.

It's a repeat of the way they acted with the band thing.

"iT wAs StAr WaRs dAy."

No it was clearly a penis and if you'd at least own up to that I'd respect you.

So KSU can burn to the ground and I wouldn't care one single bit. I hate their fans. I hate where their school is located. I think their campus is ugly. I hate the way it smells there. I hate how fake "country" it is. I hate their colors. I hate EMAW because it sounds like a donkey noise. I hate the stupid thing they do at games where it looks like everyone is practicing giving a BJ.

Frankly, I hate everything about KSU. And I hope that during the next conference realignment they get relegated to the Mountain West where they belong.

So.... how do you feel about KSU?

Lol

Kcmatt7 said:

bskeet said:

Kansan vs Kansan outside of the game is not healthy. It's fun to have a rivalry, but fans should remember we have to be united for bigger issues and opponents.

I'll root for KState over Alabama... or any SEC, ACC, etc opponent for that matter.

After the band fellatio, I quit rooting for KSU for anything. How their fans reacted to that is pitiful.

Same with this stupid fight. "He wAs JuSt PlAyInG tO tHe wHistLe."

They can't even accept that a single one of their players had anything to do with the situation. That maybe their bench shouldn't have reacted that way. I'm not trying to say Silvio was innocent. He was absolutely the main reason the scuffle started. But they literally can't own up to the smallest of things.

It's a repeat of the way they acted with the band thing.

"iT wAs StAr WaRs dAy."

No it was clearly a penis and if you'd at least own up to that I'd respect you.

So KSU can burn to the ground and I wouldn't care one single bit. I hate their fans. I hate where their school is located. I think their campus is ugly. I hate the way it smells there. I hate how fake "country" it is. I hate their colors. I hate EMAW because it sounds like a donkey noise. I hate the stupid thing they do at games where it looks like everyone is practicing giving a BJ.

Frankly, I hate everything about KSU. And I hope that during the next conference realignment they get relegated to the Mountain West where they belong.

one little problem with that - - - His fricken Coach had told his players to back off and let the Clock run out , yet he feels the need to take the ball and score HIS two points. - - So much for following Coach instructions huh

StLJhawk said:

jayballer73 said:
"Will Coach Self at the Helm there have been to many episodes where KU/University being in a negative light - - lack of control. - -They pretty much coming out saying Bill Self needs to be gone"

Pardon my language, but f#ck Vitale, Greenberg and anyone else who thinks Self should get fired over a fight breaking out at a sporting event. Yes, it was nasty and extreme, but we didn't start it and no one was hurt.

If they can make a better case about the NCAA investigation into program violations - AND are willing to give the same punishments to other coaches and programs - then maybe the Self firing option is back on the table. Until then, let announcers announce, players play, coaches coach and board rats... critique and criticize but in the end support the team.

I think they were also talking about the whole alleged minor in the athletic dorms --the pot in the dorms the whole car accident with Josh and whatever or who ever I think they're looking at the whole string of things - -screw the media

geez was brought up. There has been some talk about 10 game suspension for Silvio, kind of Bizarre guess where our 11th game would be - -the 1st game Silvio would be eligible to play coming off the suspension? - Kansas State - -OMG - -they REALLY better watch this close it's going to be a powder keg

Just think of possible Jamari Traylor 2. only just a little more

we will know the outcome at 5 supposedly . The reason is Goolsby is in California dealing with a problem there.

Came across WIBW - so i guess they will say what suspensions are give out - -- who is getting suspensions and such.

Dakich and Greenburg on their podcast of ESPN, - -started talking about this will not be a Bill Self decision ,this will not be a Bruce Weber decision -- this is an administration decision. - then they talked about if I was a Chancellor or AD- if I kept seeing my institution at the bottom of a document - -things needed to change , pretty much talking about there needed to be a change - -they were saying Coach Self needed to be out. - Will Coach Self at the Helm there have been to many episodes where KU/University being in a negative light - - lack of control. - -They pretty much coming out saying Bill Self needs to be gone

mayjay said:

@BShark I am surprised no one was hurt. Someone in a suit got tossed down like a rag doll wandering into the middle of pro wrestling practice.

that was Jeremy Case that went flying through

FarmerJayhawk said:

Beat their tails silly at the octagon of room, shake hands, leave. All while dodging the live chickens and/or bananas the crowd tosses at them.

they better have a lot more security in Manhattan - cause this could get really ugly real quick the 1st perceived dirty play - - hard foul

Our local sports program said they had a couple at the game last night and was giving there views - lot of more slap fighting then real punches - -Saying really the only true punch came after Sloan pushed Silvio and then he came up swinging.

They are thinking three from each team probably be suspended - - Silvio - - -David - - & Marcus from KU - - And then Gordan- - - -Love -- and Sloan from K-state. they said Sloan actually had as much to do with this whole thing as Silvio.

They was also saying for people that are over reacting saying Silvio will suspended for the year or dismissed - -they said get a grip and then brought up when Marcus Smart went into the stands and hit a fan - - he got 3 games - -just a mess

Andy Katz just reported that the Big 12 will announce by the end of the day about brawl. - make some kind of announcement

I was looking and looking could very well just missing it. I just don't see Marcus doing anything either, but could be wrong for sure.

AsadZ said:

I believe that Silvio is done. He will be dismissed from the team. The picture of him ready to slam with the chair in his hands is disgusting.

ya I think he will be dismissed by the end of the day. - -The stool makes that pretty clear. Hard to hide such things like this - right there, no trying to deny

Was listening to some more. - Golic and Wingo both saying that they were taking a beating on twitter. -Golic saying don't tell me that Gordan didn't intisigate this - -light the match. - -Talking about how Gordon took it on himself to steal the ball AFTER the Coach had told the players to back off.. - He said now what took place afterwards , saying ya there is no place in that in Basketball. - but said you steal the ball, that's ok , BUT it's also ok for Silvio to block the shot. It's the other things that took place.

They gave an example saying and or asking about Gordon and saying your down 22 points man , there is no such thing as a 22 point play in College Basketball , saying Gordon thinking well I'm going to get me two points saying that was meaningless. They gave an example saying that the U Conn Coach of the women's basketball team - ( Geno ) -saying after U Conn getting beat by Baylor at the time -- he said he told or ask his players , we were down by 16 with a minute to go in the game - - I ask them why are we still fouling down 16 points with under a minute to go - there are no 16 point shots - -makes a good point

BeddieKU23 said:

@jayballer73

Marcus was in the corner doing something to I believe James Love. Dave was also in that corner. It wasn't all on the up and up. If I was reviewing tape, I think it would be debatable on him getting a 1 game suspension.

that's just lovely. it was just a really ugly situation

Some talking about Marcus and suspension . What did I miss , did he throw a punch? - I've heard some say he was pushing BUT just trying to separate people. - -Anyone? what did anyone else see with Marcus.

Actually after watching other angles it actually looks like the juco point guard for K-State , is actually the guy that throws the 1st punch. - As far as Silvio several saying they think his days at KU are over. Some saying they would be surprised if he was on the KU roster at the end of the day.

The big thing here is even with what Bill thinks, this is now over his head. - Like has been stated this has now become an administration decision. - The AD decision - - the Conference decision , I think Long trying to save face for KU - -hell Chancellor may be involved saying face for KU. - This is where Silvio being told to pack it up comes into effect. - We got enough issues going on with the NCAA at this point , thinking maybe we don't need any extra fire. - nothing will surprise me at this point.

BeddieKU23 said:

Lace your chucks young man. Your up

is he physically ready ?

Decided to turn on ESPN'S Golic & Wingo this morning to see what was going to be said.

They were all in agreement that actually this lies on DeJon Gordon's problem. - They stated that Bruce Weber had instructed his players to back off in the final seconds.

Stating Gordon steals the ball , they said at this point you have two choices as a 18 year old. - -ONE you can say ok, go ahead get your lay up you just got beat by 20 plus points -OR you can do what Silvio did which most kids this age would do try and block the shot - -BUT you don't stand over a kid and taunt him.

They also said what Gordon done was wrong, referring it to like the unwritten law you have - I a foot ball game when the game is over and a team is in Victory formation and the other team a player comes in and try to tackle someone at his knee's -- you just don't do that. -- Same thing in /Basketball they said your getting beat by 20 plus or multiple possessions and the winning team is just trying to dribble the time off the clock , you steal the ball AFER your Coach tells you to back off , they said there is going to be consequences.

They said this now is no longer a K-State situation - -this is no longer a KU situation , this has become a KU administration/K/State administration - -Big 12 conference situation , going to be some severe suspensions

HighEliteMajor said:

kjayhawks said:

@bskeet yep @Texas-Hawk-10 said he claimed to have pulled them off but this wasn’t the last few seconds and the steal, it was the whole time our walk ons were in. They still had starters in, Weber’s stupidity is definitely in play here.

Uh, no. Block the shot, high five your teammates, all smiles, game over. Easy.

Have to Agree. Like I've been saying you make the block -- let's them know your not getting any chump lay up at the end - - you make the block , and then turn around and WALK AWAY , - -GAME OVER end of story, yet no Silvio feels the need to stand over the top of him , that's defined as taunting

kjayhawks said:

@bskeet yep @Texas-Hawk-10 said he claimed to have pulled them off but this wasn’t the last few seconds and the steal, it was the whole time our walk ons were in. They still had starters in, Weber’s stupidity is definitely in play here.

Weber wasn't the problem , he had instructed his players to back off and let the seconds tick off. Gordon decided to steal the ball anyways. - - the block by DeSousa was fine , it was the standing over him which they define as taunting is hat really sparked things.

Like the announcers said it is the un written law you don't steal a ball like that when a team is dribbling out the clock - -BUT you also don't stand over the guy and taunt him after the block. - -You blocked the lay up attempt , block it and walk the other way - - Dam how hard is that to comprehend Silvio

So this might sound crazy /bizarre probably is but I'll ask anyways.

After tonight's debacle will this I ANY way, with the NCAA investigation going on with other things at KU - -will this tonight feed fuel to the fire about the part of KU & Self in lack of institutional control ? Having Control of his players? - -I know and sorry just wondering I mean I dunno really just asking thinking in the Eye's of the NCAA - -it might. Anyone ? - - ROCK CHALK ALLD AY LONG BABY

Just listened to Myron Metcalf's repot. Saying he had attended many of Bill Self's post games conference, and when the questioned was posed about Silvio, you could see how it Effected coach Self and saying consequences would be handled tomorrow , Metcalf saying he would be surprised if DeSousa ever played for KU again

cragarhawk said:

Fight lasted longer than McGregor vs cowboy and didn't cost us $65. So we got that goin for us

lol - - funny but yet - - never mind that was funny lol

kjayhawks said:

@jayballer73 Still don’t see Dave doing anything but pushing people back.

You must not of saw where I apologized stating I was wrong , from what I saw in the replay - -Dave was just pulling people and then they said was stepping on people -not sure about that

benshawks08 said:

This is going to be a nightmare in bramlidge.

better have lots of security- -nobody going to be safe - - example - -Jamari Traylor

the return trip to Manhattan should be ummm - - - -interesting to say the least

mayjay said:

@jayballer73 Did you see Webber in the entrance to the tunnel at lower right manhandline one KSU guy out, and then pushing that guy and Love (who scurried like a scared rabbit from the fight he started) out of sight?

Hey it was Ellis asking NOT me lol

DanR said:

Different angle.

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Actually after seeing this , it was The K-State point guard the Juco getting into it with Silvio 1st and Silvio throwing punches then Love comes in

Ellis from the ESPN saying he thought BOTH Mc Cormack should be done for the year. - I don't see that happening.

He was also saying WHERE were the KU coach's - where were the team leaders trying to break it up? - -Obviously he didn't see Self and Howard -

FarmerJayhawk said:

jayballer73 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

BigBad said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Bill didn’t boot Brady for a DUI. He’s not booting Silvio.

Dude that is an awful comparison. DUIs happen all the time. Brawls in college basketball are rare.

You’re right! A DUI is waaaaay worse.

Don't be so sure about Bill not dismissing him from the team. -- He might not have any say, could very easily come from higher up - - Long or even chancellor - whether people want to believe it or not - a dudue grabbing a chair to go after someone - - there is no place for that in ANY sport - thank god for Howard grabbing him

I could see a mutual parting of ways after the year but not an outright dismissal.

maybe , but like I said he may not be the one making the decision in this

FarmerJayhawk said:

BigBad said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Bill didn’t boot Brady for a DUI. He’s not booting Silvio.

Dude that is an awful comparison. DUIs happen all the time. Brawls in college basketball are rare.

You’re right! A DUI is waaaaay worse.

Don't be so sure about Bill not dismissing him from the team. -- He might not have any say, could very easily come from higher up - - Long or even chancellor - whether people want to believe it or not - a dudue grabbing a chair to go after someone - - there is no place for that in ANY sport - thank god for Howard grabbing him

Crimsonorblue22 said:

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there is no way they pull Mitch's redshirt because of this stupidity. - - your looking at possibility couple of Games for Dave - - not worth pulling mitch red-shirt

Well this I know. - - I will bet you a Dollar to a Doughnut Security at their house will be beefed up max. - -you don't think these idiots will be looking for anything. - -I bet you so many whistles will be called all game long you might not have ANY players left

BeddieKU23 said:

@jayballer73

I would not be surprised at all it can not be tolerated.

your right. Like Coach said for this to happen on top of it all in the handi capped area - hope no one was hurt.

I know this sounds bad but like I have stated sad night but losing Silvio can be dissolved - - wasn't contributing really at all hardly seeing any time. It's Dave more then anything - -how many games? - -I'm thinking just maybe the one - -unless the University adds to on top from the conference

BeddieKU23 said:

Interesting that when I see stuff like this from other teams I think that's crazy, wow why would kids do that. Now that the issue is right here, happened right in Allen Fieldhouse I feel zero remorse for any consequences handed out. Dispicable acts on both sides. Silvio picking up a chair is just out of this world wrong. I'm sure he feels bad now but he again is front page news. Hopefully the team can find a way past this

Don't be overly surprised if Silvio is done. - -looking at multiple games suspension from the league , and WOULD NOT surprise me at all if Bill dismissed him from the team for his actions.

My apologies , My apologies , to everyone. - Went to the ESPN site and watched again, and people are right McCormack did not throw a punch. - -He was grabbing and yanking people back , and he did ook like he stepped on someone when they were down. Still going to probably be suspended for sure. -

Kubie said:

Ok, lets assume Silvio is gone long term, 5+ games. McCormack, at best he's out a game or two just for stumbling around over people waving his arms. So is Mitch's redshirt coming off, at this point in the season I'd hate to see that happen personally.

na , it won't be- -not for this

FarmerJayhawk said:

Hawk8086 said:

Vitale just said he will be shocked if Silvio wears a KU uniform again. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks of Vitale. What these guys say matters to the people at KU and the league that make decisions about what happens.

He went further and said Silvio shouldn’t ever play college basketball again. Which I think is ludicrous.

I can see Silvio getting 4-5 games from the Conference and then never seeing the floor from Bill again. - -Good thing is , he really wasn't hardly playing - -getting very little playing time and not contributing - so lucky in that aspect. - The Big thing is how many games for McCormack - really hurts the depth at the 5

DanR said:

stool, people.

chair people

DanR said:

lets call it a little photographer's stool, not a chair, that Silvio dropped after making sure no one tripped on it.

lmao -- -- that's good I like that , not accurate but w will go with that lmao