some keys to this war with Baylor. We got to play tight 3 guard the perimeter . - -I think we guard the 3 - -they not going to kill us inside we can pretty well maintain there - - -We can't let vital just kill us on the Boards, have to keep him in check - -and can't let Butler , Teauge , and Bandoo kill us with 3's - they shoot right at 36 % from the 3. - 43.4 % overall , shoot 69'8 from the line. - -major players these thing for the W. - -gonna be a war
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Hawk8086 said:
@jayballer73 Are you worried about all the open 3s? Even last night, ISU had open 3s...they are not a good shooting team but other teams we face will be.
ya I continue to notice , and yes they are open. They have been like this the last few years now - -wide open, have gotten lucky as far as that part goes worries me some.
Baylor is a team that can make you play. - -You CAN NOT leave Bandoo open , Butler is good. this is a game if they get those kind of quality looks might bite you in the ass - -still not sure why /or how these teams get such wide open looks - -putting my trust in Coach, hopefully we will do a little better in that area.
Lol , sorry but just have to laugh. - Did my usual , checking out opposition remarks after game
Couldn't help it just had to laugh at some of the comments. 1st : - -mercy they want Coach out - -I mean they want him OUT bad.
But comments like : - -we went on that 21-3 run , poster stated /questioned when we went on the run , he say 21-3 run and Coach doesn't call a time out ? - Response comes back - - he was wanting to save them for when Iowa State went on it's 5-2 run roflmao.
Others said he was saying them for the football season , lol , Another said wanting to know says well was a 30 point blow out until KU allowed the scrums to come in and allow us to keep it under 30 - -then say anyone want beet on a 40point blow out in the Phog lol. - lots of really funny posts
Others just talking about how KU is big - - - really Big , saying they knew we were big - - but not that big
BShark said:
@jayballer73 Yes. With who we have signed now and Dotson leaving the roster is exactly full on scholarships.
@BeddieKU23 Agree. His raw point total isn't up but he has been more efficient, slightly better from three and most importantly creating much more for others. 4.2 ast 1.5 to per game which is a better ratio than Dotson.
man I hope he does then. - -odds? -- what you think ?
I think Shaka is history after this year. -- I think I read they are building new Arena - like I have seen others post they are not gonna have Shaka be leading them there. - he is toast
Ha had to edit. - -I know I have the answer -- Shaka goes to Iowa State - - -Phrom goes to Texas roflmao
BShark said:
David is gonna be a load next year.
OMG that one throw down , the one handed throw back - - JUMPIN -- GEE - - HOSSA - - FATS. - MERCY , MERCY , MERCY. - Iowa State had no answer. - Hey buddy, got a question. Do we have a spot if he wanted to return , would we have availability is Silvio wanted to come back. - Realize the chances are slim BUT if he did want to could he. - I think that would be great maybe better play next season. With what he has done in his limited opportunity this season why should he leave. - He could be some nice Back up depth next year. - Would there be a spot open ?
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@dylans my friend has a ticket for me sat, behind the KU bench, sat there for CO game. But, the weather! So it's not looking great😢
ya heard the weather could be bad. - WIBW here in Topeka calling for that snowstorm , calling for anywhere from 2-5 inches plus , hoping it doesn't reduce our crowd to much. -- Maybe it will miss , but not counting on it
Texas Hawk 10 said:
Definitely gotta say I didn't see a near 30 point road win coming out of KU on the road, even if it was a really bad ISU team.
This is an elite defensive team this year. Marcus Garrett appears to be the one that's stepped up as the leader of this team and they have taken on his mentality.
Couldn't agree with you more. Mentioned about Marcus a couple of minutes ago. Agree about Marcus stepping up and taking that leaders role, the kid is an Absolute elite defender, love his defense and tough as nails
Kcmatt7 said:
The defense is suffocating.
Doke is a huge part of the reason the D is better this year than last. A Self defense requires a shot blocker at C, imo. Without one we are giving up easy looks at the rim and outside.
Then you have the length of Garrett, Ochai, Braun, and Enaruna denying passing lanes and Dotson jumping in them.
This is just a good team. I haven't seen anyone better this year. I feel like we pissed down our leg both losses this year. 10 unforced turnovers in MSG against Duke. The off-game in Philly (Seriously, where was Dotson's head at that day? 5-15 from the field and a final 2 minutes that was super uncharacteristic).
If I were betting on a team to win 6 games in a row right now I'd bet on us.
YOU are spot on. - -both our losses a combined 3 points and one of the two loss's were overtime right?
Kcmatt7 said:
The defense is suffocating.
Doke is a huge part of the reason the D is better this year than last. A Self defense requires a shot blocker at C, imo. Without one we are giving up easy looks at the rim and outside.
Then you have the length of Garrett, Ochai, Braun, and Enaruna denying passing lanes and Dotson jumping in them.
This is just a good team. I haven't seen anyone better this year. I feel like we pissed down our leg both losses this year. 10 unforced turnovers in MSG against Duke. The off-game in Philly (Seriously, where was Dotson's head at that day? 5-15 from the field and a final 2 minutes that was super uncharacteristic).
If I were betting on a team to win 6 games in a row right now I'd bet on us.
Marcus Garrett is an absolute STUD total lock down defender he is in your jersey before you even put it on in the locker room. - -When he went down last night had me scared - -though oh HELL no, we can't afford to lose this guy - he plays to big of a pat. showing leadership in his own way. He let's his play on the court do his talking for him. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BeddieKU23 said:
Best since when?
Really refreshing to see a Self team making an impact on that end. After about 10 minutes last night and shots going in they seemed to turn it up another notch.
Kenpom rated #2 in the land. The gap to #1 (Virginia) has closed significantly in the last week.
Discuss
I've noticed every team we have faced this year , other opposition announcers talk about how long KU is and how we have an outstanding defense.
I'm telling you this defense can carry us a long ways. - plus if we play like we did last night, able to hit out free throws as some aptly say cash our Money. If we hit those , make a decent 5 of out three's- - this is a VERY DANGEROUS team. -- They had a article on the cyclone fanatic - talking about how Ku is for sure a title contender
Hawk8086 said:
@Woodrow He had to be hurt. Every time I have seen him play he has been great.
he is really goo. Although from the way the Iowa State fans were talking on their boards no one said a peep about him possibly being hurt. - -It was just more like him failing to stepup. - He talked about how the final 8 minutes plus of the 1st half how KU really took it to them
Surprisingly they're fans was giving KU a lot of props , nothing in a negative way at all. - But what can you say when you just got took to the wood shed
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk if Tristan starts to know what the hell to do on D that line-up could be amazing defensively.
Lots of depth as well. Harris, Braun, G-F on the perimeter. Wilson, Silvio, and Mitch on the back end. That’s a really great 1-11. Then RS Jossell and Gethro.
there is our boy. - -he had to love that
Crimsonorblue22 said:
I called 5-25
I was off by 10 on the attempts. - I said they would jack up 38 only 28 lol
UNC - - they look bad - now 8-8 and lost I know at least 2 in a row at home -- OH ROY say it isn't so
Hate to bring it up , but do we dare say that MAYBE - -just MAYBE -are we finally seeing Doke finally start to get this free throw shooting thing down ? - -last two games he is 9-14 - -that is huge for him , just hope it will give him some more confidence. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
well fella's that was a good ol KU ass kickin. Probably one of the better games we have played this season. -- good on the 3 , really good with our FT'S - - Iowa State had NO ANWSEER for our big's
Once again Braun just turning it on. The kid is just oozing confidence right now, he has gotten so much better. - He is gonna play a big role for us yet down the road this season. - If we can get Tristian and Moss turning it up just a hair - - - look out.
BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like the crowd at Hilton is lacking Magic tonight
YA Stated earlier , tickets are selling from stub hub for 10 dollars apiece. - - Iowa State fans afraid as they say the birds will be trying to buy those tickets
they was doing this on the local sports , so I'll ask you all. How many 3's will Iowa State jack up tonight ? -- I'll say - -38. ROCK CHALK ALLD AY LONG BABY
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
Kansas by double digits.
I'd go streaking through the quad if that happens
oh dam lol - please no double digits lol. - Seriously I'm looking at probably around the 5-7 range
BShark said:
3 coaches enter with equal rosters, only one makes it out. Who ya got?
Things to consider
Shaka grotesquely underperforming with the talent he pulls in at UT.
Prohm had some good years with Hoiberg's players. Has an eye for talent but last year took a roster that Beard or Self would have won the league with and managed FIFTH place.
Boynton is about to be 0-3 in regards to the NCAAT. This year they certainly have a roster that could make it.
I'm takin Boynton. - gonna have a good group next year. - Think Likely is back, got the # 2 recruit coming in - got some really good pieces. - I actually like him
nuleafjhawk said:
@benshawks08 Ah, the English teacher shines a whole new light on things. And it makes me cringe because I don't do so well with the whole grammar and punctuation thing sometimes.
My apologies !!
me neither lol. - -I hated that class , that class hated me lol. - -Maybe cause of all the purdy girls
BShark said:
Kansas by double digits.
pass me that bottle lol
I'm sure the Coaching staff is making sure telling the guys NOT to overlook Iowa State - - do not be looking past them. - -I'm sure that won't happen as we all know , we can't afford that with the problem we have had in Hilton.
We know no matter how much they have been struggling , they will probably come out and play WAY over their heads , just play insane
Been checking out their fan site. - - they aren't giving their boys much of a chance. -Talking about how Doke has just ate them up everytime we play , saying maybe Conduit or whatever his name is might be able to get Doke in trouble
I am kind of surprised KU only a 4.5 favorite, they're surprised only a 4.5 favorite.
Talking about tickets are selling for 10 dollars on stub hub , saying could be a lot of empty seats tonight. I doubt that we will see. Got to stay focused
HighEliteMajor said:
And Scott Drew continues (I think) to make great strides as a coach. An unfair whipping boy, I'd say.
I have to agree. I would say Scott may not be an elite but I fully think he is a better Coach then some give him credit for. - -He has brought that program back along ways
BeddieKU23 said:
Just to keep on the optimistic train here if your a NBA scout that evaluated Doke during the spring what were the things you would have wanted to see him improve this season. Let's list a few.
Rebounding
Rim Protection
Guarding the perimeter/in space
Ability to play extended Minutes
Improved body/finish a season healthy
Shooting, extended range, FT's.
Post Game
Now 13 games in..
Rebounding- Averaging a career best 8.9 boards. In a stretch where he's averaging 11 per game.
Rim Protection- Averaging a career best 2.2 blocks per game. Just had a career best 6 blocks against WVU.
Guarding the Perimeter- Still a major weakness
Playing Extended Minutes- Averaging a career best 26.8 minutes per game.
Improved Body/staying healthy- Shed over 40 pounds coming into the season. So far so good on his health.
Shooting- Major weakness. No range, still can't shoot FT's.
Post Game- Still raw, probably the best Self has ever had at establishing position, driving his man up the court and establishing where he wants to be to get his angles and Dunks.
Besides his obvious weaknesses of Shooting from anywhere outside 4 feet and being able to guard bigs out to the perimeter he's improved everywhere else. The guy is going to break the NCAA record for FG% in a season and in a career. Analytically I'm wondering if a team is going to be intrigued by how effective he is around the basket. He's making 87% of his shots at the rim. That's not just above average, its borderline insane. I can see him being a backup C in the league somewhere, not heavy minutes but someone that gets in here and there. The NBA is a long season and guys get chances due to injuries and what not. He's not going to magically stop dunking the ball on people in the league. Just some thoughts
somebody could takethat chance - - chances are like you say maybe developmental league - -end up being able some spot minutes.
Kind of hard to not have that kindof Pct when your doing nothing but dunk - -then again he isn't going to be able to bully guys around for dunk after dunk in the NBA
BShark said:
Doke will have a long pro career...
Overseas.
One bold statement Trump made in his speech today, saying as long as he is President Iran will neve have Nuclear weapons - pretty solid.
Like the news people were saying and what Trump said pretty much an Olive Branch. - Saying he wants to see Iran be a great Nation , but also made clear were not going to tolerate anymore.
Look like before he talked today , Iran pretty much standing down now, They did what they felt needed to be done BUT they said they will remove all American troops out of the region. - their final answer
They talk about Iran and the US sitting down for talks, yet Iran has said until the US removes it's sanctions they will NOT talk. So now what? - -Let this cool down,, but sooner or later these sides have to sit down an get this shit straightened out.
Trump said he was going to talk to Nato today, saying they need to get more involved. - - Russia -China - - Syria - -hell why would they want that? - - they want us out so they can come in themselves a real mess
Woodrow said:
I watched that whole game as well. Neither of those teams are very gifted on the offensive side of the ball. Ramsey can stroke it for Tech but other than that their offense is extremely stale. Baylor can really guard, but they too do not have a very good offense. If KU can guard like they have been and knock down some shots they should win Saturday. Doke will have a huge advantage against both of those teams as neither one has a post player close to his level.
Oh I have to disagree with that - - to a point anyways. - -Baylor. - has got 3 really good guards Butler is really good , Vanboo or whatever is pretty good, Gillispie is coming on good rim protector - offensive side coming on -- don't be fooled Baylor is legit - - very legit -they didn't get their ranking by chance. - - It's going o be a war come Saturday.
BigBad said:
Doke will not play in the NBA unless some team tries to go back to the old 90s style of 2 traditional lane clogging bigs. He is too awkward to be a rim runner on the pick and roll and is not a threat of a pick and pop. On top of that, he has no ability to guard outside of 5'. NBA is a spread out pick and roll and 3 point shooting league now.
pretty much what I've been saying. - -Doke is just out dated in the NBA.- -many more much more fluid big's that can space the floor, has some game. - -Doke has no game other then being big and dunk. In todays NBA that just does not fit.
Don't get me wrong , I love the guy , couldn't be happier that we have him. Pretty good College player but afraid just not Todays NBA
Brucie and the Octogon of Gloom had attendance of 7 , 190 /I believe they're announcer said. -Yet like always when we play there just like everywhere else it will be packed to the hilt and I'm sure they will try to fit/sneak in some of their pet favorite piggies in too
dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk Gotta shuttled down to the blue moose for a rather average steak. Other than that I’m looking for the city limits sign tomorrow...unless I could turn back time a couple hours and watch that b-ball game. 😂
Don't worry guy , you won't even have to look for the city limits sign. - -just follow your nose , once you smell clean fresh air - -you know your there lol. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG ABBY
FarmerJayhawk said:
HEARTBREAK IN THE OCTAGON OF ROOM
That is ONE really sad team
Marco said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Good game between baylor and Tech. The refs as always though are making it hard to enjoy. Baylor just had a layup negated on a charge that should never be called in the game. Just further promotes camping in the lane and jacking up 3s
Baylor is going to be a tough out.
We better be ready Saturday , Baylor is legit. - -not playing nearly as much Zone , their guards are Good - -really good , especially Butler. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
approxinfinity said:
It's times like these that I wish we had a president with a level disposition and a clear understanding of how to negotiate multilateral treaties.
I just wondering/thinking and I could very easily be wrong. - - Let's say what if as I've heard some accounts that no US casualities, if that is the case , wouldn't be better to pull the troops out of Iraq like even Iraq wants - most Americans want us to get out of there.
Wouldn't it be better to pull out, not retaliate - give time for cooler heads to prevail, Then if Iran decides to attack US forces again then it's strictly US and Iran and keeping other lives for being in danger? - -I dunno
Some are saying this is just Iran way for retaliation for us taking out their or one of their leaders and will not launch again because they fired their missles about the same time we hit nd took him out.
Yet I have also heard that thre are quite a few in Washington that want this , have been wanting to have this confrontation with Iran - -what ya think ?
Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
BShark said:
@jayballer73 #15 on offense somehow too. Sometimes it's hard to see as we are spoiled but this is a great team.
ya your right bud. - -I think we as fans sometimes never satisified, that includes me for sure. - -like you say hard to see , but Man - can you imagine , just a little bit more and if we put a full 40 minutes on both sides of the floor - - OMG.
These guys I am seeing now have a real chance to be right there on the threshold - -I mean sure come tourney time it becomes a crap shoot, but DAM man - how long has it been since we have had a defense like this ?
I mean I have heard others talk, and really talk up this defense, guess I was just kind of slow but Seth Green burg talking up our defense - -and hearing how long we are - gets me excited.
I know that we are # 3 like shooting the 2 just some things we need to clean up just a little - -let's do this. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I am down with our team! Finally playing D. Can we tighten up on defending the 3 ball? Sure. And I think that we will. I'll be honest here, I like our chances.
Me too buddy - - -me too.
And so it begins , or so it looks like quite possibly. Just came across the News.
Iran has launched a Missle attack in Western Iraq, where US Military are base. - Some talk might be multiple attacks being launched.
12 what they describe ballistic missiles fired at 2 US bases , already talking about how we could very well be headed to war
Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
Why, when someone posts such an uplifting story would someone feel the need to post negative things? Man, I am so glad that I am not wired that way.
Who did that ? - - I missed it. - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Scroll up.
I think I KNOW what your talking about now, all I will say is ummm
Marco said:
Why, when someone posts such an uplifting story would someone feel the need to post negative things? Man, I am so glad that I am not wired that way.
Who did that ? - - I missed it. - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
@jayballer73 #15 on offense somehow too. Sometimes it's hard to see as we are spoiled but this is a great team.
ya your right bud. - -I think we as fans sometimes never satisified, that includes me for sure. - -like you say hard to see , but Man - can you imagine , just a little bit more and if we put a full 40 minutes on both sides of the floor - - OMG.
These guys I am seeing now have a real chance to be right there on the threshold - -I mean sure come tourney time it becomes a crap shoot, but DAM man - how long has it been since we have had a defense like this ?
I mean I have heard others talk, and really talk up this defense, guess I was just kind of slow but Seth Green burg talking up our defense - -and hearing how long we are - gets me excited.
I know that we are # 3 like shooting the 2 just some things we need to clean up just a little - -let's do this. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
My desire to watch non-ku games is close to zero this year. Maryland tOSU might be fun.
Feel the same way but I've been trying to slug through some games for tourney time. Duke/Miami was hard to watch the other night. Gonzaga couldn't defend my grandma. Florida St/Louisville was interesting. Kentucky isn't fun to watch (not that they were anyway). Watched ISU lose in OT to TCU just to catch up on why the cryclones want Prohm gone. Saw the Baylor/Texas and Shaka still can't coach. Fran was laying into him.
cryclones - - - I like that
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
SR Dotson would likely be the single greatest guard season under Bill. We haven't seen a trajectory like this at KU under Bill that I can recall. Outside of three point percentage his numbers aren't that far off of SR Frank. Guessing some people don't want to see it to hold out hope for him staying.
That's saying a lot given the Sr year Mason had but its certainly possible given how advanced his role is compared to where Frank/Devonte were at this time. If he really did elevate his jump shot and play-making to the next level there's no reason to think he wouldn't be a rockstar. Given how much Frank/Devonte improved Jr/Sr year under this staff its not out of the question.
Imagine Jr Dotson, Sr Garrett, Jr Agbaji, Soph Braun, Jr McCormack in the starting 5.. WoW
How could we keep Bryce out of that lineup? - -I think he will be a starter from day one
ok guys I'm just plain stupid I reckon. I mean I knew were pretty decent but dam - guys read off the Cyclone report of all places saw that Ku is 2nd Nationally in adjusted Defensive efficiency - -- SECOND.
That my friends is good - - -DAM GOOD , that can carry you along ways. - Kinda makes my mouth drool. - just stop and think if we can just get a little improvement on the offensive end - - look the hell out.
Little improvement on free throws - - little improvement taking better care of the ball. -got to give you hope - - could this be our year ?
Steady on the defensive end, like has been brought up were averaging close to 9 steals a game - - Devon and Marcus on the outside - - Doke as a rim protector -- do a pretty decent job on the boards - - we have really good length.
Just solidify the offensive end at bit - - oh ya. - -2nd in the nation defensively. coach has to love that. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
FarmerJayhawk said:
Brennan Scott decommitted. Not much of a surprise. Hopefully we can get an OL for that spot.
Great
Woodrow said:
Pretty good night of college hoops action this evening.
Ohio St @ Maryland,
Kentucky @ UGA ( UK first road game),
Nova @ Creighton,
TCU @ KSU,
Baylor @ Texas TechShould be some good action.
oh ya for sure. - - Wanting to catch both Big 12 games BUT would like to watch Kentucky Georgia too. Baylor Texas Tech should be interesting.
approxinfinity said:
@Marco Dot may be the quickest player in college basketball and possibly the quickest player self has ever had that's got to count for something
quick is good, BUT your transiting from College, that quickness will help some but not like College. - -LOT'S of quickness in the NBA. - -He has to develop a consistent J to improve his chances of making it. right now he doesn't have that
BeddieKU23 said:
I wouldn't count out Doke just yet. Although I think its a longshot I can see him making a G-League team and someone taking a chance on developing him. You can't teach his size. He's only 20 years old. Not saying he'll be drafted but I do think he'll get a look or two from someone intrigued with him.
Agreed. He might be able to find some team that might be willing , I just don't believe he will be that fit, yet on the other hand yes he does have his size and rebounds well - -another question that comes into play would be stamina - -can he maintain the NBA pace up and down the floor - just seems like a long shot. - -Never say never I reckon
drgnslayr said:
There is an easy resolution here for Devon. He should go bring us home a trophy in April to reassure this year is the best time for him to move on to the league. That will solve any question on if he is ready.
What has to be considered with Devon and whether he should go.... a big part of his game is like Frank Mason... finishing at the hole. That takes a toll on his body and Devon isn't built as thick as Frank. I wonder how many times a game Devon ends a play on the floor? It would be interesting to get a "floor count" on Devon every game. That would give us additional perspective concerning his risk.
Let's say Devon stays all 4 years and continues to increase his aggression to the hole. Won't he have a good chance of getting hurt?
ya has that chance. -About as good a chance of getting hurt in staying 4 years- just like about the same chance of getting hurt the 1st time he takes or tries to take it to the hole and Devon not being very thick as you say and get hurt - maybe hurt bad enough to end his brief NBA career. - -Could you imagine him going to the hole with his frame as you say and Jo Jo coming down on him? -- Karl Anthony Towns coming down on him - - Lebron coming down on him? - -that could be a very ugly picture. - Or any big that from the NBA , that's got that NBA body - - -not good
Big Clyde52 said:
Did Frank and Devonte help themselves or hurt themselves by staying at KU for 4 years? I do not believe they would have been better off by leaving after their Soph. or Jr. year. And plus they got a diploma. Devon is in the same situation at this time in his life. Also, think how many assist he could have by passing to Tyon and Bryce, instead of his receivers now.
Agree , you have some here that say he has nothing to gain , that coming back would be silly. - - Like you said , maybe he won't improve by coming back - -but he can continue to work on his degree while coming back for another year. Basketball doesn't last forever.
You will have those that will try and say well that he can always come back and get his degree later. -That doesn't work , in reality I bet you the one's who never come back and get their degree compared to the one's that do is far greater, that THEY DON'T. - Devon has a lot to gain , also gives him the chance to continue to just be that young College kid.
Be able to gain the experience of College before he enters the work field. - -Believe it or not NBA is a job just like any other job , only he is getting to do what he likes to do at that time. He still has a chance to improve his game -- maybe /possibly get to a point where he can get drafted. - I agree with you 100 % Big Clyde
BeddieKU23 said:
There isn't a one size fits all answer when it comes to the NBA. If his plan is to leave after the season, best of luck to the young man.
Dotson is struggling shooting the 3, most of College Basketball is struggling adjusting to the new line. He's also playing 35 minutes a game and defending at a high level.
Agbaji is struggling to shoot the 3 just as much as Dotson is recently. I believe he's 4-19 in the last 5 games.
Despite the shooting numbers being lower Dotson's Efficiency is way up this season from a year ago. Kenpom has him as one of the 5 best players in all of College Basketball.
Did you know that Udoka Azubuike has just as many turnovers as Devon Dotson in over 100 less minutes of playing time?
Understand. - - I also understand that Doke is ALSO not destined for the NBA. - -had this discussion multiple times, Doke is a relic of NBA past - -really good imposing college player, just doesn't translate to NBA. your big's in the Modern NBA can step out like JO Jo and others be able to hit that 15-17 foot jumper, big's who can defend out on the floor - - open space. - The NBA just doesn't have room for guys that that all they do is Dunk - doesn't work in the NBA. - -Doke is another guy that will not be drafted, we have seen better players then Doke, players more mobile that have went un-drafted. - -Doke future is oversea's - players like him are now a thing of the past in the NBA - you have to have some kind of offense other then /Dunks