kjayhawks said:
@jayballer73 KU boos the opposing team all game in every sporting event I’ve been to at Kansas, which is football, basketball, volleyball and baseball.
must of been different KU football -- -basketball - - volleyball -- & baseball games I've been to
BeddieKU23 said:
Settle on an offensive identity. Practice it, eat it, sleep it. That's what is holding them back
We have just got to get rid of this dam 2 Big's. - Why even start a two Big line up if you pull him after 2-3 minutes ? - -This two big line up is just junk.
FarmerJayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
kjayhawks said:
No the Kansas fans did, can you blame them? I’d want my money back if I paid to watch 5 guys stand with their thumbs up their butt for 2 hours.
Yes. Boo’ing your own team is a trash fanbase thing to do
that's what you call real class fans huh Farmer . - -fricken idiots
Yup. I never even boo’d KU football in all my years at KU even when they’d be down 40 at half. They’re college kids and I’m just a rando in the stands
Exactly - - those are the types of people we for sure don't need around here - total classless
kjayhawks said:
I’ll let everyone go for today, too many homers on here that don’t know Jack about basketball. This team has no heart or hustle and is majorly flawed anyone with basketball IQ can see this. Everyone have a good afternoon and enjoy football!!
seems like some fan that have no class. - maybe you all can stay at home and boo the Tv while your eating your hoagie. - Anyone that Boos' these kids or any College basketball players has no place in the game/at the game.
My guess would be everyone that boo's these kids are probably are all former NBA all stars
I think what you really need to do is flip that statement about basketball IQ to the one's would show their ass and Boo at these kids - -these people probably have no IQ period basketball or not. - - -Sure everyone can be upset - -can be PO'D - but to boo kids - take that crap out of here - -Baylor just a better team -- at this point and time anyways,
FarmerJayhawk said:
kjayhawks said:
No the Kansas fans did, can you blame them? I’d want my money back if I paid to watch 5 guys stand with their thumbs up their butt for 2 hours.
Yes. Boo’ing your own team is a trash fanbase thing to do
that's what you call real class fans huh Farmer . - -fricken idiots
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
@Woodrow Baylor's half-court sets have pretty much consisted of iso-plays leading to pull-up 3's or dishes for lay-ups. I haven't been overly impressed with any of the action Baylor has ran other than a good baseline lob out of a timeout.
Mostly I think Baylor's dudes have just played their ass off today and wanted it more than we did. I guess credit coach for that, but I don't think Drew has been masterminding this game.
they did today the same thing they have been doing all year. - -This makes 5 wins over top 25 teams for them - the last two for sure on the other teams floor.
Say what you want - -Baylor is a very legit team - Solid
DCHawker said:
Woodrow said:
Anyone still laughing at Drew? Dude can coach.
Yeah, I don't get the constant sniping. He's done pretty well - and consistently so - with relatively little NBA level talent. His guys seem to play hard.
there is just some people just flat refuse to give any credit. - - He is not that bad of a Coach. People talk about how Bill owns Drew , like I said at the time ya their right just like Jay Wright owns Bill.
You move on to the next game and try to get them next time. - -We have got to just get better handling the ball - I mean we got taken to the shed. - -true we hurt our selves but Baylor just has better guards, that showed today - Butler is legit - - Mitchell is good - - Teague is good. - look at the difference, how many turnovers did we have today ? - -How many turnovers did Baylor have today? - - TO'S will Kill you sloppy - yet people will make every excuse they can other then the real excuse. - We just got our ass handed to us almost the entire game - -I said ALMOST - -sloppy handling of the ball & poor 3 point shooting really bad combination
Woodrow said:
Anyone still laughing at Drew? Dude can coach.
curse you curse you - -parrish the thought. - People will still laugh. - This team is very legit of Course again you have a team that has no clue how to take care of the ball. -
FarmerJayhawk said:
kjayhawks said:
still going under screens after being burned by it year after year. Ready for a new hard coach, we paid these lazy guys??
Lol okay
thank you farmer
kjayhawks said:
Crowd seems pretty lackluster as well
no reason for the crowd to be fired up - -team hasn't provided them anything
nuleafjhawk said:
Well, dont need to waste my day watching this garbage.
Congratulations "baller" , yo boy Drew is indeed the greatest coach in the history of the universe.
one LITTLE minor problem - -hasn't got a dam thing to do with coaching. - -Baylor has a team that knows how to take care of the ball - -and sory your getting your tootsie's stepped on thinking Drew is as you say quote " MY BOY " - -get that shit out of here. love it when people try to make up every excuse they can other then the real excuse when a team is getting beat. - Bottom line is this fricken team doesn't have anyone who can take care of the ball with out turning it over.
This is exactly what they said they was going to do - - pressure our guards on the perimeter. - The 1st time any team pressures our guards they lay an egg like the ball is a plague. - it has nothing to do with Coaching if you truly are watching the game. - It's more about our lack of execution then any Coaching thing - but thanks for the laughs
stoptheflop said:
I always wonder if KU will choose to guard Baylor's best 3 point shooters, Butler 35/87, 40% and Bandoo 17/40, 42%, or just hope they miss. Teague is also a threat: 28/81, 34%. Big 12 guards don't seem to be intimidated playing in AFH at all. Oh Lordy, this is going to be a nervous game for me.
then you also have to ad Meyer that comes off the Bench
BShark said:
I'm sure it's bothered a ton of players that they never win at AFH.
Lol, ya I bat there have been a lot of KU players feeling bad about whupping them again lol
Well just thought I would pass on statement/tidbits I heard of the Baylor podcast this morning, found SOME things pretty interesting, see what you think : So ,
First they was talking with Jarod Butler saying they had heard him say that how it really bothers him about them never winning here at the Phog - -we he says ya it has how they have kind of had this game circled on their Calendar.
What they're media people/people who call they're games and such they thought Baylor would be testing KU'S depth. they feel like once they get past McCormack & Moss off the bench they just don't trust KU'S depth. - - Really ? hmmmmm, No mention of umm Christian what so ever.
They say that got a lot of confidence if KU plays two Big's that they will be able to offense that with Bamba & Clark. They said Devon Dotson is very talented, & though Mitchell would be matched against him , talking about how Mitchell has really been able to defend other teams best players. Talking about they think Mitchell can be Physical with Dotson and may cause Dotson problems, they seem to be worried more about Oachi -- really talking up how they like Mitchell against Devon.
One thing they did say about how talented KU is that they said that Ku other then Duke is the ONLY team in College Basketball that is in the top 11 both in Offensive & Defense effiecency I know not spelt right sorry.
They think Baylor's depth gives Baylor a decided advantage, They also made a very sweet statement ( cough cough ) one of them said was just curious how Coach Self would be if he didn't cheat. - - If he didn't pay players, but then turned right around and talked about they thought Self was still a really good Coach.
They thought that the matchup that they thought could come down to deciding the game very well might be will be Oachi and Teague, they might not be to far off on that. Also talked about that if they can turn KU over about 15-20 times they ha a very good shot at winning and how wll they pressure the ball on the perimeter , of course they brought up how we turned it over 28 times against Duke, what they DIDN'T mention was that was the 1st game of the year and we still about had them.
Scott Drew said not very often you get to showcase two top five teams, and very seldom that you have a team that has BOTH great Guard play and inside play and said KU has that. Drew also would come big into play saying they can't give up 2nd chance points , and fast break points. - saying their losing streak has to and will come to and end some time - -might as well be this year - can't turn the ball over. - -So there you go guys interesting. -- not ONCE did these give or spill ONE word out of their mouth about Braun hey are more worried about Moss and Garrett.
Kubie said:
Not sure what Lawrence got but down here in SE Kansas the roads are a sheet of ice. Be careful out there my friends!!
Just heard the local weather here on the TV out of Topeka. It is snowing here right now at 8:40 this morning -- not hard and really only expecting now maybe up to 2inches here at the most. Looking at the map Lawrence is right there on the edge in between up to 2inches and then the 2-5 inch mark
They were saying right now at this point the roads aren't to bad aas they had done a pretty good job treating, but saying with this new snow, just advise to take a few extra minutes.
I hope this doesn't effect the crowd to much. - This is a HUGE game and the players need that vocal support , just hoping for the best. - Kind of worried that maybe even Season ticket holders just say screw it. I'm not going anywhere in this - sit this one out and just watch on the TV - -hope I'm wrong. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
HighEliteMajor said:
@jayballer73 You know I agree with you on the risk. Regardless of some who minimize it, the volatility with the NCAA stuff creates a very heightened risk.
We can attract an excellent coach. But that is even a riskier proposition. Odds are really strong in my opinion that we get something less than Self.
Do we trust Long to make the right hire? I don’t. He could have some personal tie to a coach that could send the program in a tailspin. The KU admin. could push the wrong “diversity” hire. Even the perceived right hire could be wrong. I think Beard from TT would be perfect. But I thought EJ would be a lights out PG too. Point is, sometimes things we really believe don’t play out the way we expected. We could hire Beard and his wife hates it here, or one of his kids becomes ill, or he clashes with the AD. Whatever.
This is very dangerous business.
Great programs can become average quickly. Remember when UNC made some bad hires before Roy? Bill Guthridge and Matt Doherty? Doherty hovered just above .500.
Look where UCLA and Indiana have gone. Look where UK went before Cal. And the UNC reference before Roy. All blue bloods. Look at UConn now.
Self is the greatest coach in KU history. This entire NCAA stuff and it’s possible impact is really unnerving. We don’t want to lose Self at pretty much any cost, in my opinion.
Odds are strong, that if we do lose Self, we move backwards.
We very well could. If it comes to that point where we having to find another Coach , could be a crap shoot for sure. Beard is good , my only thing with him and it might be a crazy thought , but I just don't get that feel where he would stick that long, more of a jumper , then again on the other hand might not if that were to come to a reality.
I mean really not a lot of other more elite places he could go where it would be a step up after KU. - I just feel there are some that just have this idea , the Earth would explode before Coach were to leave/ While true it would be a sad day, still doesn't mean it couldn't happen - -happen more easily then some seem to believe. - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
wissox said:
Bowing to pressure from Jayhawk Nation, the KU athletic department and ESPN have decided that they would no longer put KU on ESPN+. Instead in a "win win compromise" according to KU Athletic Director Jeff Long, all KU games that aren't being picked up by CBS will be played on ESPN, at midnight on tape delay. Long is said to be ecstatic that Jayhawk Nation will once again be able to watch games for free on the network that they already pay for.
In an unrelated story, ESPN announced they will now be known as the BSPN.
lol , dam my friend you JUST ABOUT had me on that one lol. -- of course it doesn't make any difference that is not yet 7:00 O'clock in the morning and I'm not all the way awake yet - - and it is colder then cold - - and it's starting to snow on game day.
I'm just sitting here worried that the snow is going to cause me not to be able to see my game. - - I'm on direct Tv and every little storm rain - -wind - -snow - -ice whatever it maybe , whatever it is comes up ( Complete Signal loss ) - so just hoping. - - also hope the guys come out focused and ready to go. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Marco said:
drgnslayr said:
We have a long, fast athletic team and players who have bought in to playing defense. We also have a catalyst in Marcus.
I'm not ready to give them a defensive trophy yet. They still have a ways to go. They still don't smother like a Nova team. If they did that, no one in this country could beat us or even come close because they wouldn't score more than 40 pts.
To get to that level, we still need to bump it up a gear. I hope we get there by March.
Last night was more of a show of where ISU is this year. A weak team up to now. That explains winning at a 50% clip.
This team will definitely expose all opponents who are weak. I think we get a bump because other teams respect us a bit too much. And to the naked eye, we just look flat out amazing from a size and athletic view. But take last night for example... ISU still launched up plenty of trey shots that didn't fall and weren't contested. This is where we received too much respect. Those shooters were thinking less about netting the shot and more about a KU defender coming in from blind side to smoke their shots.
I don't want to appear negative, because I'm not. I'm happy where we are in January but I'm realistic to think we still aren't a Final Four team yet not only because of offense having kinks. Let's just hope we continue to improve at this rate. We will get there!
I like that they didn't let up, like in years past. They put their foot on the throat and left it there.
me too Marco , in some years past we have had teams that couldn't finish. - -I've always believed when you have them down , go for the throat - make sure they know they have no chance of winning the game - - close it out
Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
@FarmerJayhawk I don't see him going anywhere.
helps if you have your eyes open , then you might . -- The chances are better then you think , as many as pointed out to as why. -not saying for sure 100 % that he does - -but the chances are a lot better of it happening then you think.
If he does it isn't going to be the end of the world. - Bill is a good Coach but there are other good Coaches. KU never has and never will have a problem attracting a name Coach. - Do I ant him to go ? -- Ummm no - -is the chance of him leaving legit ? -- Very much so
Why do I have to have my eyes open? Wait a minute, he's already started walking away? Damn, I missed it.
oh yuckity , yuck , yuck you such the jokster, you work as a comedian lmao - -just giving ya hell buddy. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
kjayhawks said:
Interesting match up for sure, Drew had gone away from his text book zone a fair amount this season. The question is will Baylor finally do something as a top 10 against Kansas? I hope not
Drew has only run 21 possessions of zone this season , He now has a squad of players that are quick and can defend better in man to man then zone
DanR said:
Call me crazy but I think Doke will be have a solid 5-10 year career in the NBA if he stays healthy. Hands down the B12 player that everyone other team's players would like on their team. Perfect inside guy for 4-1 offenses. So, he can't shoot outside 8 feet, but who'd need him to? All he needs to be is a rim protector, rebounder, screen setter and dunk machine. Is Embiid going to try to guard him in the paint for lobs? LOL... No. I think the NBA still has a role for guys like Doke.
better yet - is Doke going to try and defend Jo Jo lobs or dunks -- ya your right crazy-- - Jo Jo would eat Doke alive in the NBA & No not unless he can find some kind of shot. - - there are ALL KINDS of rim protectors in the NBa - he wouldn't be anything special that way in the NBA. - - all kinds of BIG TIME REBOUNDERS right now in the NBA. -you haven't mentioned anything that is not already in the NBA that would make him stick out from current players.
Like others have said there might be a team willing to take that risk be in G league and if he finds a spot on a NBA roster - might get some spot minutes but he is not going to be any kind of NBA stud/star - -just the way it is.
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
KU -7.5
Oooh this is really good line. Don't think I'd bet it but KU does match-up well with Baylor.
thats about where I was figuring about 6-8
drgnslayr said:
jayballer73 said:
you seem to forget, there comes a time when ANY Coach just flat ass gets tired of the NCAA'S BULLSHIT constantly screwin around.
I totally agree with this statement!
Here is the best info I found on Self/San Antonio:
https://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/bill-self-shoots-down-rumors-spurs-head-coach/531286 ↗
Hope coach stays 30 years, but I'm just that type of guy - - if it happens - - it happens, can't force a guy, if he did want to go all we can do would be thanks for all the years and giving us so many great teams.
Like I said we would be fine. We was fine before Bill got here and we would be fine if he left. - KU is that type of program we never going to struggle getting a top notch Coach. - -Having said that I think he WILL stay, but I won't limit myself to come out and make a statement implying OH COACH would never leave - - or he isn't going anywhere. - - wise man once said - - -NEVER SAY NEVER. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
nuleafjhawk said:
@jayballer73 I don't like Scott Drew. I don't like Bruce Weber. I don't like Gregg Marshall. I will never applaud them or cheer for them. I don't care what their rags to riches stories at crappy colleges are.
Be on the Drew bandwagon when Self is no longer here. He wouldn't last 6 months before he was run out of Lawrence.
your just bitter man. -you laugh much dam dude I don't cheer for them either - -I am not a fan of their's either. - But I'm smart enough to give props and acknowledge. - I know a lot of so called crappy Colleges to be 12 and 1 and ranked 4th in the nation. - -Holy crap I'm not looking to marry them or go out on hot dates with them. Drew has help that program tons.
I can't stand Marsha either but he get s the job done. - -Nobody asking you if you like them or not - -you don't have to like them, just acknowledge that he has improved this team period
BShark said:
It's not high for Haliburton. He's a prototypical NBA guard. He's gonna be in the league a looooong time.
long time - - small version of a Ben Simmons type ?
BeddieKU23 said:
The game against KU was not indicative of how good he is. His size at the position, his passing and shooting ability are all why he is that high on boards. He is definitely nursing an injury right now. KU had an excellent game plan against him
Oh I know he is good, wasn't questioning his game against KU. - -I just think there is others that could probably fit that spot. - -I'm impressed BUT just not THAT impressed
for the one's that Drew is under achiever , how he hasn't made this team better, and we all know Bill owns Drew at the Phog we all know that. - Kind of like Jay Wright owns bill.
Anyways for people who thinks he has done nothing for their program, let me just ask what kind of weed you been smoking?
Has 4 top 25 wins already. - - beat Villanova when they were ranked 17th 87-78. - - Beat Arizona when they were 12 th - 63-58 ( Side note ) - Arizona just beat # 9 Oregon at Oregon. - -Beat Butler when they were ranked # 18th. - -Butler's only loss and now ranked 6 th - - and just beat # 22 Texas Tech, Again you can't just look against KU and Bill and say he has underachieved. - Where were they at BEFORE he got there.
I he was such an under achiever, tell me why he is tied with Bill for the longest Tenure at Baylor ? - -in his 17th year at Baylor tied with Bill at 17 years at Kansas. - Don't be to proud and have the glasses to thick colored Crimson & Blue to give some credit where credit is due. If your unwilling to do that , then we are no better then other people out here saying Bill is a big time under achiever for his failures in the tourney
So anybody want to take a guess how much this weather will effect our attendance from our fans?
I still think people will try and bet if still not sold out , we will have maybe within a 1ooo, 1500. we need all seats in the butts for this one.- - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BeddieKU23 said:
ESPN has their latest Mock Draft update.
40 Ochai Agbaji - down from mid 30's he was in December.
43 Devon Dotson- up 8 spots from 51, from same December update.
97 Udoka Azubuike- Joins the Top 100 after being absent in all other updates.
Others in Big-12
Halliburton #4
Ramsey #25
Butler #46
Conditt #73
Likekele #75
Tshiebwe #76 (seems low)
WOW , isn't that a LITTLE HIGH for Halliburton ? - 4 ? - -I mean he a good player but dam seems a little much
StLJhawk said:
Nice post. I hadn't noticed Doke's improvement with moving his feet, I'll have to watch for that. But it makes sense in that, at least against this weak IS team, overall I thought his D is looking pretty good.
What I noticed more (and sorry I realize this is a D thread) is the big fella made 4 for 5 FTs! His form looked better too I thought. But he still looks so exasperated when he's waiting for the ball at the line, you can almost see the inner turmoil. If somehow he can keep up this new efficiency, along his better D, and amazing FG percentage he (and the team) will be even more of a force to be reckoned with.
As usual, it's a good time to be jayhawk!
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possibly Doke breaking through. -- 9-14 free throws last two games.-- -5-10 against West Virginia , and 4-5 against Iowa State. - -I would think Coach would be thrilled with that at this point
nuleafjhawk said:
@jayballer73 "kind of have to laugh always under estimating what Drew has done with the Baylor program."
0 - 17 in Lawrence. That's why we laugh.
just don't laugh to hard lol. - - but since you DO laugh remind me again where that program was at BEFORE Drew got there ? - A lot more can be accomplished of OUTSIDE of how he has played against us. - it's ok to give some props - you ought to try it , you might be like Mikey - -Mikey likes everything.
It's really ok to acknowledge another programs progression other then our program. - Drew has brought that program along ways. - they were speaking as much last night during some of the games being played - - it's ok really lmao
Who would of thunk it. - -Christian is the teams 2nd best 3 point shooter at 40.7 % - -shooting way better then Devon who is shooting 31.7 % - -Christian only behind Agbaji who is shooting 40.8 %,
Christian only turning the ball over at a 0.4 % realize true playing less minutes but still - think our boy might turn into a very solid player. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Kansas by 11. Our guards are as good or better than theirs and they can't match up with our bigs. Also Self >> Drew.
I'm not gonna say double degit win. - Looking at more to me anywhere from 6-8 point. - - Even though Coach has won a lot more then Drew, kind of have to laugh always under estimating what Drew has done with the Baylor program. - -When he took over that program was in ashes. - -total cess pool, now # 4 in the Nation.
I would just have to throw the guard statement right back at ya - -the same could be said for them - - Their Guards are just as good as KU'S. - That's not being a slap in the face to our guards - -that's just stating fact/truth. - The Guards pretty well wash one another , stats really much the same.
Team steals pretty much a wash - Team 3 pt shooting right at a wash - -they shoot better Ft % , 69.8 compared to 65.5. - They Rebound the ball slightly better - We turn the ball over more then they do just a little. - 14.2 to 12.6
They're guards are legit - - very legit , especially Butler.. Bottom line I think it's going to come down to just who executed the best , take care of the ball , rebound etc , etc. I think the Phog and the fans will help let Baylor know where they are at. - I think home floor will give us that 6-8 points were hoping for. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BeddieKU23 said:
Biggest game of the regular season. I can see this being the conference championship defining game. I know its early but holding serve at home against them looks a wee bit important
Couldn't agree more. - This is huge , got to have that 6th fan. - -Jay Hawk Nation needs to be heard by the Crimson & Blue - - - we need to let Baylor hear the 130 decibel like when we set the record. - -That won't happen but hey I could always hope. - - ROCK CHALK ALLD AY LONG BABY
BeddieKU23 said:
FYI KU hasn't lost to a Top 10 team at Home since 2011
don't jinx us lol. - -I just hope we can still get a packed house. - - Maybe people can leave a couple of hours earlier to get there lol
BeddieKU23 said:
She was in slosh ville by halftime..no need to wait
lmao, ya your right -probably askin Marsha if he needed a nip during the timeouts lol
dylans said:
@BShark You know Nova will be KU’s 4 seed.
you know they will do all they can do to get Wichita State in KU'S region - again
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@Crimsonorblue22 penny not a coach
A lot of forced shots. - - however they are they said the youngest teams in the nation - I can't stand Marsha
Oh Lord Walton is at it again -- Mercy Oregon's floo ris dam right nasty looking
Well Marsha won yippee/not. - All that means is the wifey will pop a top for sure lol
BCT said:
@jayballer73 no worries. Those who are deterred by the snow are not the ones that rock the Arrowhead. Plus, the cold weather hurts the warm climate team like Houston more. Let it snow, let it snow.
screw that I not worried about the Chiefs. - I'm worried about the Crimson & Blue. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
BShark said:
Prepping the fireplace now, ready to bunker down this weekend.
Ya just heard some more. Blowing and drifting snow and wind chills looks like around 13-15 degrees. Couldn't come at a worse time.
Est around 4.5 inches in the Topeka area and like 5.7 inches in Lawrence and more towards 6around KC
Well dam , just heard the latest weather forecast. - -Topeka area Lawrence , Kansas City and surrounding area's going into a Winter Storm watch starting tomorrow night and running through Saturday Night.
If that's not bad enough, they talking about ICE 1st est like 0.12 around 6 O'clock and then changing over to snow and getting anywhere from 3-6 inches, guys if that happens we lose part of our fans - -a weapon. Cause you know and I know that place was going to be rockin - -Dam
Hope we can still get as many as possible without putting themselves in harms way. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
I heard this off a podcast. - Think about this guys , all we needed to win the game last night , all we needed in the 2nd half would of been 8 points. - That's all we would of needed at worst to win the game. - -Iowa St scored 53 points , we had 46 at the half lol
Gonna check out a couple of other games tonight. - Pretty good games. 6:00 on ESPN 2 - - Wichita State & Memphis .- I think Memphis wins this - -Precious gonna show , their guard gonna show can't remember his name.. THEN at 8:00 on ESPN , Oregon and Arizona - Think I like Oregon in that fairly comfortable - they put stumpy in his place looking about 8-10 win - still good to watch
BShark said:
@benshawks08 I'm just a humble board rat but I've been very impressed with Ochai's defense as well.
Doke, Dot, Marcus and Agbaji are all tremendous defensively and Braun now that he appears to be putting it together could join that group. He has the athletic and mental tools to do it. I was a bit worried about his speed coming in, but that no longer concerns me.
Tristan has had a large statistical impact on D while being clueless, if he ever does totally figure it out he could be amazing. His bigger issue is offense though, where he looks lost.
David is passable on D for a 5 and Moss at least TRIES (cough, Q, cough).
Put it all together and this team is just suffocating.
Say it again - - - Say it Again - - - SUFFOCATING - -gotta love it. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY