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Draft Declarations Thread • May 21, 2018 11:41 PM

BShark said:

Jay Wright is a good coach and talent evaluator. No sense in over complicating it.

When I stop to think about what you have written, I just cannot believe how I have overlooked the obvious comparison.

Jay Wright and John Calipari are apparently two sides of the same coin. They are almost interchangeable, once you make me think about it. They are both MASTERFUL recruiters able to recruit unprecedentedly anomalous numbers of certain kinds of players to non-elite majors (Jay at Nova and Cal at Memphis) and get to Final Fours doing so.

Thank you for calling my attention to this.

Do you suppose Jay will follow in Cal's footsteps and go to an elite major next?

Wouldn't this be great for the game? Wouldn't you reckon UK would be about ready to replace Cal, who's fabulous recruiting abilities seem to have mysteriously waned, so that they can benefit from Jay Wright's fabulous recruiting abilities?

You are a gentleman and a scholar.

Rock Chalk!

Draft Declarations Thread • May 21, 2018 11:28 PM

BShark said:

Jay Wright is a good coach and talent evaluator. No sense in over complicating it.

Sure, and John Calipari was just a great recruiter.

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink!

Howling!

Draft Declarations Thread • May 21, 2018 11:27 PM

BShark said:

Nice fan fiction.

I will take that as a compliment, thank you very much.

"Fan fiction", like "amateur journalism" before it in the 19-teens, is the breeding ground for literary innovation and greatness.

Modern science fiction and horror fantasy trace their roots not so much to Welles, Doyle, Huxley et al, but to American amateur journalism's incredible tide of greats including H. P. Lovecraft, that embraced both the English ghost story and dark tales of Poe and blended them into what would become commercially marketed in first Weird Tales during the 1930s and then as the tsunami of American science fiction of the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s.

The Inklings at Oxford made their top down contributions in the form of Tolkien's Lord of the Rings trilogy, and Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia, but the stuff that broke down all the boundaries and freed the human imagination to deal with the technological tidal wave that hit us in the 20th and 21st Centuries is American science fiction and American horror fantasy, and those clearly spring from amateur journalism.

Now today, the greatest hotbed of creation and innovation in literature is happening in fan fiction and maybe even on an order of magnitude greater scale.

The moribund film industry to busy with pedophilia to really incorporate truly creative writers have finally figured out that they can now steal popular, fresh film ideas from fan fiction web sites where the young men and women, and older ones marginalized by the producer oligopolies in publishing and film, can be found writing incredibly great stuff and offering the training ground for the next great literary tidal wave.

Thank you, sir.

Is Bill Self the Cleanest Coach in D1? • May 21, 2018 11:03 PM

drgnslayr said:

Is Bill Self clean? I believe he is, if for no other reason than thinking what recruit would be worth risking his legacy and everything he wants to accomplish moving forward? No recruit!

PHOF

Is Bill Self the Cleanest Coach in D1? • May 21, 2018 09:53 PM

BShark said:

No

A little logical analysis can trigger a reactive "no" sometimes.

:-)

Some used to like to say that I saw too much darkness in D1, especially before the FBI investigations were announced, but not so much now. Howling!

But I really think its going to take a lot more than what has been indicated and/or leaked about Self and KU, to make it credible that Bill Self and KU are among the big cheaters of D1.

Not. Very. Likely.

Yet.

I suspect a lot of board rats here and fans, even the naive bettors (the professional gamblers have apparently gotten it all along), across the country are going to have to readjust their beliefs and denial after this is all over, regarding what is the norm in college basketball in entertainment value incentivizing during recruiting and during college attendance, and change their expectations even more about what are the extremes. Nevertheless, I remain not just hopeful, but somewhat confident based on who has gotten the bulk of the talent all these years, that Self and KU will at the end at least wind up looking like the leper with the most fingers, when the remaining fingers are counted. And that is all that has ever been claimed for KU by many KU fans that I recall, not that KU was without sin.

By the above, I am NOT saying the wheels of justice will necessarily mete out equitable punishments and spare Self and/or KU. I can't be confident yet how that will play out.

But I just don't see any way for The Powers That Be (TPTB) to lower the boom on ALL the EST programs to the degree they appear likely to deserve from their 6-10 OAD teams of the recent past. My hunch is one program, or maybe two, each from EST, CST, MST, and PST will be treated as sacrificial lambs, to make it look "unbiased", so that others can be raised up after, as the "virtuous," to carry on the cash register ringing that is the NCAA regular season and March Carney.

It even appears some times that NOVA might perhaps have been elevated the last couple seasons, maybe in anticipation of the investigations, to replace the one or two EST teams that might have to be sacrificed.

I don't claim there is a grand conspiracy in this. I believe things are largely entertainment value driven, not so much criminal conspiracy driven (at least in the big picture), and so I don't believe broad criminal conspiracies are necessary in this sort of context. There just has to be some order imposed to keep the golden eggs coming to the right people, and squeeze out a few of those that are not wanted in the club, or that are somehow preventing the club from optimizing in ways we ordinary folk can't grasp. I don't really see this as a cynical POV, rather as real politik and real economik POV in a real world. But as always, may I remind, that I am just a layman and a fan speculating solely based on remote observation, and am NOT a legal professional.

Could KU be the CST school sacrificed? Anything is possible, when sacrifices are being sought. It certainly wouldn't hurt ratings and betting rates to have the Texas schools start winning the Big 12 and NOT having KU sub optimizing eyeballs and clicks in the Sweet 16, Elite Eight and Final Four as frequently as KU shows up in those.

Could Arizona be the PST school that gets sacrificed. Looks like it already is, but who can say for sure.

Will someone in EST get sacrificed? Seems likely for appearances. Will it be Duke, UK, or UNC? Only if absolutely necessary, to make the knuckle draggers keep coming gullibly to the March Carney. But my guess is that just won't be necessary. My guess is Louisville, or someone else, like them,will be the sacrificial lamb for the EST. Louisville is a cheap sacrifice, since they are already beaten down to begin with.

So: here is one hypothetical scenario: Louisville, KU, Arizona are the only big names that are drug through the mud and Self/KU is penalized for having done relatively little wrong. Adidas winds up the net loser with its two big basketball programs put on the ropes for awhile. Nike takes minor hits to make it look "unbiased" along petroshoeco brands, and ASU, or USC takes up the NIKE slack in the PST.

It is worth remembering that when corruption is really widespread in a field, not infrequently the object of commissions and investigations appears just to be to limit the damage and knowledge of what has really been going on, fashion a palatable explanation, produce a couple scapegoats, and let everyone else constitute a status quo that is "clean" and that can move on and continue the gravy train and essentially help deny the corrpution was widespread in quid pro quo for getting to continue the corruption. This is apparently what we are witnessing currently with the widely reputed (and increasingly documented) pedophile rings in Washington, New York, London and Hollywood that are reputedly used to keep the corruption in those hub cities of the empire in line and playing ball. This was what we saw in the attempts to get Trump, in 9-11, Iran-Contra, Watergate, and the Kennedy assassination. Those that expect there to be widespread corruption in college basketball should, therefore, expect a similar paving over of most of what is wrong and a few scapegoats, not much more.

But in the end, I expect the process will likely reveal, inspite of itself, perhaps even because of the predictability of processes like this, that Self/KU, whether scapegoated, or not, was among the lesser offenders, if they in fact did anything wrong at all. And it is already reputed that FBI/DOJ define KU, at least, as a victim, not the perpetrator, if I recall correctly. This apparently conveniently enlists the university in the FBI/DOJ investigation in order to save itself from being treated as a perp. It also, presumably, makes the university more willing to let Self be the scapegoat, if it were to become expedient to do so.

I guess this may be just how things are done in the big time, when big money is involved and "entertainment values" appear to rule.

But as an ordinary KU fan, what I really believe and expect is most probable is that Self is clean and playing within the rules, however imperfectly they are drawn, and does not deserve what has come his way during this investigation.

Rock Chalk!

Draft Declarations Thread • May 21, 2018 09:17 PM

@justanotherfan

Since the apparent long stacking has apparently been curtailed a few years back (to avoid arousing too much apparent suspicion?), we haven't had a super team that I recall.

Historically, super teams have been fairly rare over much of the history of the NCAA. They have come only in short, infrequent, intermittent bursts, with the exception being UCLA under Wooden, when, after winning two with players other coaches didn't want, he finally reputedly looked the other way while Sam Gilbert hired players the same way other top schools were then and had been hiring players the previous 15 years he had been coaching UCLA and finishing second in conference so many times.

Because of the above, I am not sure how to interpret your observation about Nova.

The point seems to me to be that was a super team in disguise. Once folks watched them, which I did not do during the season, it became apparent that they were one of the most extraordinary teams to come along in NCAA history. They were essentially unprecedented. It wasn't just the offense that distinguished them. Many teams over the years have tried to volume shoot treys and combine that with match up zones. But no prior team ever had 6 >39 percent trey shooters playing in a rotation, including 2 highly athletic 6-9 to 6-10 big men that could drain the trey.

On a good night, there hasn't been another team in NCAA history that could have stopped them. Even the Walton and Jabbar lead UCLA teams would certainly have lost to them on any hot shooting night by Nova. They would have absolutely smoked the undefeated Indiana team of 1976, which was a pretty weak outside shooting team. They would have run UK's 2012 team off the floor on a good shooting night. Magic's national champion? Last year's Nova team would have beaten them by 20-30 points on a good shooting night. The only champion I can recall that might have stayed on the floor with them on a hot night would have been the Duke 9 OAD stack and even they didn't have two post men that could and did drain the trey.

Nova was greatest anomaly and arguably the greatest team in the history of NCAA basketball, and they were apparently carefully kept under the radar screen of as many bettors as possible over the course of the season. The Media-Gaming Complex at least accidentally enabled the phenomenon.

Think how much more obvious it would've been that Nova was a great team, on the scale of UK's 2012 team, or Duke's 9 stack, had Nova's now apparent ringers not been apparently sandbag-ranked 75-100.

Imagine just how on the radar screen Nova would have been all season had their 6 extraordinarily athletic, long, strong >39% trey shooters, including not one but two post men that could shoot >39% from trey, as well as run the floor, guard their positions, rebound, make free throws, and muscle, been accurately identified as precisely what they were: Top 25 players--all six of them.

It was a really sweet deal.

Why, they didn't even win their conference, right? Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

Think of how it would have changed betting lines every game of the season, if everyone had known what they were. Think of how it would have reduced the opportunity to exploit the underestimation of how good Nova was most of the season. Think of how much money there was to be made by doing that, rather than apparently blatantly long stacking and hyping to the cloud frontier either Duke, or UK, as in the past.

Now, think of how, even if that were NOT what really happened (i.e., if they were not channelled, pooled and sand-bagged for Jay the last few years to make a big killing) , how easily and quickly the apparent Media-Gaming complex and/or the apparent petroshoeco-agency complex (note: elements of the latter reputedly being investigated for channeling talent as we exchange posts), could seize what happened for the model of optimizing.

What a sweet deal, eh?

You could even just run the scam every third season and most would never get suspicious in mass distracted, memory challenged America.

@BShark

You might be surprised at how many persons over- and under-estimate persons heights, especially perpetrators for one example, because of things like hair up/down, and things like pointy hoods on hoodies, or hats, or shaved heads, etc.

Persons trying to make themselves hard to recognize/recall accurately have longed use hair up/down, caps/hats/hoodies, and beards/moustaches, because they trigger subliminal cues about height and stature. Its very fascinating. Its one of the reasons that eye witness testimony can conflict and so can be impeached by effective lawyers.

You may well be right about the actual heights of the two players based on only one meeting persons you are a fan of (and so slightly more emotional about meeting than normal), but meeting persons, especially when not side by side, or when standing not exactly the same distances from your, and with a horizontal back ground line behind them for standardizing perception can be very deceptive. Also, slender persons and stocky persons may be exactly the same height and witnesses, for one example, often views one taller and one shorter, despite the two persons measuring the same height.

@kjayhawks

Interesting. Why and when were you meeting with them?

Second, on TV, Frank definitely "looks" taller with his hair, than Sherron. So: I'll take your word for it that Frank appears taller than Sherron, when you met them.

Is Bill Self a Corrupt Coach? • May 21, 2018 06:33 AM

@DoubleDD

Frankly, almost anything is possible, when you have the following folks involved in D1:

1.) the petroshoeco and petrowear folks;

2.) the petroleum folks supplying the petroshoeco and petrowear folks;

3.) the Big Talent agencies in Hollywood;

4.) Big Gaming;

5.) Big media;

6.) the Pentagon;

7.) the big investment managers investing untraceable bailouts to take stock positions in the Petroshoecos;

8.) $1 Billion annual budget state universities; and

9.) private oligarchs donating and wanting gain back door influence over the university through the athletic department, and in turn in the state's politics.

As we have seen in the last two years in Washington politics, intelligence, law enforcement and FISA court activities get bent by these sorts of forces--sometimes into politicized activities.

As was the case with the investigation of Trump that revealed no collusion with Putin and Russia so far, we will have to wait for the investigation to reach a point of revealing more of what they have, or don't have.

Is Bill Self the Cleanest Coach in D1? • May 21, 2018 06:11 AM

@chriz

Its possible.

But how can he possibly make $10M per year and not be able to afford to pay MORE than anyone else at least a few years for a 5-star 5? Surely he could afford one 5-star five in 15 recruiting seasons at least once, if he were a big time cheater, right?

I mean between the Boothes and the Kochs and the Anschutzes, and the Adamses, surely this supposed big time cheater Bill Self could afford to pay, oh, say, $500 Million for a 5-star 5, or maybe $1 Billion for 6 OADs in one season, right?

I mean folks like the Boothes, Kochs, Anschutzes, and Adamses like to win as much as we do. I just don't see how, if Self and KU are such big time cheaters, that these guys can't bank roll a 10 OAD roster for Bill and he coaches it to an undefeated season and a ring.

These types of folks don't blink at $500M. Heck, even $1 Billion isn't what it used to be.

If Bill Self were such a big time cheater, I just can't believe that he couldn't drag in enough 5-star and 4-star guys to not have to play Devonte 39 mpg for an entire season.

Surely, a big time cheater ought to be able to fill out a roster with as much talent as Jay Wright at Villanova, right?

Something about Self being a big time cheater just doesn't add up still.

And frankly, neither does all this talk about him being a big time cheater either.

I'm not saying its not possible.

I'm saying it just doesn't add up yet to me.

Is Bill Self a Corrupt Coach? • May 21, 2018 12:55 AM

@wissox

Your unattributed critic was from Bradley, right?

That's in Peoria, right?

There seems to be a little bad blood for KU in Peoria from time to time, right?

Maybe he had an ax to grind with Snacks and/or the Big Red Dog's mom?

Or maybe KU snuffed out one of Bradley's seasons that he was particularly excited about?

Or maybe back in the Owens and Miranda days, maybe Ted, or Sam, didn't treat him, or a friend of his, right in recruiting, maybe?

Board rats need to remember what board rats tell the players remotely during the season about KU having a target on its back. They tell players they are representing KU and they have to be prepared for opponents' best shots every game.

I believe the advice to players goes also for fans. KU fans have to expect some serious smack at times for no other reason than that KU has been good for over a century.

KU has been good for so long that it has beaten and/or ended "other" teams great seasons all over this great land of ours.

No one forgets those special losses for a long, long time. I still wince every time I think of that Texas Western game with Jo-Jo being called out of bounds. Well, we've probably done it to more other teams probably than have done it to us. Lots of accrued hard feelings. Think about Fizzourah and Pat Forde. Sheesh, I just want to forget we ever had to play them all those years, and this guy is a professional broadcaster/journalista and he's still acting like an Antler with a mike and a salary. Go figure.

Everyone wants to knock us off on the wood, and, since they have such a hard time doing it, they of course resort to smack off it. What else is new? They've just been given some new ammo; that's all.

We should learn in due time, if this FBI investigation and its references to KU are turning into something like:

a.) Mueller investigating Trump for a year and finding no evidence Trump colluded with Putin and Russia; or

b.) the Office of the Inspector General reputedly investigating activities of Brennan, Clapper and Comey regarding possible politicized abuse of intellegence and law enforcement activities and reputedly deciding that maybe former DCIA John Brennan perhaps needs to chat with a Grand Jury (reputedly according to former Federal prosecutor Joseph DiGenova's interpretation).

I am cool with being patient and awaiting due process.

But I gotta observe, if Self were really up to his eyeballs in recruiting corruption of a kind way worse than what Jay Bilas has described, as having long been a part of all/most programs, I would have to think Self would have had as many OADs and 5-stars at the 1 and 5 in recent years, as the other elite programs in the EST.

But that's just a layman's speculations, while remote viewing as a fan.

Rock Chalk!

@kjayhawks

Yes, but Sherron never wore his hair up, so we have some reason to suggest he was approximately the height listed. :-)

Is Bill Self the Cleanest Coach in D1? • May 21, 2018 12:29 AM

Bill Self never gets his share of OADs, in comparison to a number or other coaches. Doesn't that suggest Self appears cleaner than the guys that get more OADs/5-stars?

Self has never had more than three 40% trey shooters on a starting five. Doesn't that suggest he appears cleaner than someone like Jay Wright that has had six on a single team?

Self has never had a team 8-9 deep in 75-100 rank players that were more athletic and better three point shooters than teams with more Top 25 players? Doesn't that suggest he appears cleaner than someone like Jay Wright?

Self has never left a program with vacated wins and sinking in NCAA infractions. Doesn't that suggest Self appears cleaner than, say, John Calipari?

Self has never won a ring with a team full of six OADs and a center that a Chicago newspaper reputedly claimed was offered over six figures to play and that refuse to retract its story. Doesn't that suggest Self appears cleaner than John Calipari and UK that have reputedly faced a similar circumstance?

Self has never had 9-10 OADs on a roster. Doesn't that suggest that Self appears cleaner than Coach K and John Calipari, who have?

Self has never had a program mired in an Easygate scandal, where it was documented that large numbers of student-athletes and students were given easy courses to help the student athletes stay eligible. Doesn't that suggest that Self appears cleaner than Roy Williams and UNC, which did get mired in an Easygate scandal.

Is Bill Self the cleanest coach in D1?

@wissox and @BShark,

C'mon, how many seasons do we have to play this game of overstated height before board rats catch on?

Moore is probably going to turn out to be 5-8 or 5-9 max and anyone that has watched KU ball should anticipate this, as predictably as fake and/or real chemical attacks being blamed on Syrian leaders.

Okay, Okay, he might be 5-9 I/2.

:-)

PG Charlie Moore is listed at 5-11.

We all know about KU inches.

We also increasingly grasp that players that wear their hair long and up are a couple inches under their listed heights. For evidence, your honors, we enter 6-2 inch Devonte Graham found to be 6-0 as Exhibit A, and Doke Azubuike listed as 7-0 found to be 6-10, as Exhibit B.

Out of respect to a KU all-timer and an NBA player with career still in process, we will leave Frank Mason out of the discussion, except to say that he had the tallest vertical do of all during his KU career.

Charlie Moore's hair is not as flopping as Devonte's and Doke's, nor as tall (yet) as Frank's, but make no mistake its being shaped up some just the same.

I'm going to hazard a gentleman's wager that Moore will one day be found to be 5-8, or 5-9.

Self has to play Moore. He has to start him. He has to. I don't care that he has two 5-stars coming with more conventional stature for their positions. Self has never started a 5-8 or 5-9 point guard. This would be a new problem to keep coaching interesting and challenging for Self.

But where will the 5-stars play, if Moore is a starter?

Well, how about one of them gets to be the nominal point guard and other gets to be the nominal shooting guard, so that egos are stroked, and in order that Self can keep the 5-star pipeline flowing.

So what about Mini-Moore?

Self likes to completely break with current styles at least once each season in one way, or another. The guy loves to do stuff no one ever thought of doing or something everyone has forgotten was done in the paleo past (i.e., like playing 6-5 point guards, like Svi, out of position at the 4, or starting point guard Selby at the 3, or dusting of the weave from the 1930s in the 21st Century, or, well, you know what I mean). Wouldn't it be nifty to see Self start Moore as a wing point full time?

Starting at the 3, 5-8 Charlie Moore!!!!!!

Talk about giving some 6-7 inch wings some head aches, eh?

Charlie could have some trouble with guarding on the other end, but imagine forcing an NBA bound 6-6 or 6-7 wing man to guard a wing point at 5-8 Tse Tse fly driving and cutting at the speed of light.

And everyone knows that on defense, Charlie would just overplay and funnel his man to paint defended by some big, long KU rim protectors!!!!

Self always likes to move guys like Frank and Devonte to wing point from time to time.

Maybe its time to move Charlie Moore to wing point FULL TIME.

Let the 5-stars be 1s and 2s to keep their handlers happy, but put Charlie over at the other wing and pass it to him and let him initiate the offense for the bigs.

Its called having cake and eating it too!

Rock Chalk!

Dok • May 20, 2018 05:49 PM

@HighEliteMajor

Self said without qualification that no one on last year's team could guard Dedric Lawson.

Of course, Self was promoting Dedric to make sure he stayed with the program.

But even removing the puffery about Dedric, with 6-9 230 Dedric starting his coming out party, and with 6-9 245 De Sousa maybe coming back, both those guys can shoot and make free throws and dunk at will also, from two feet. And they will almost certainly be better rebounders. De Sousa almost certainly will become an equivalent rim protector. And both guys can run the floor as well as Doke. Doke's only edge is his 280 pounds, but even that needs to come down to about 260 for him to play intensely for 40 minutes.

I've been a backer of Doke, but he is in serious danger at KU of becoming a backup, if he returns.

Doke has finally been exposed for not being a footer, as I speculated last season that he was not.

(Note: Any KU player that wears long hair up is almost certainly two inches shorter than his listed height, and maybe 3 inches shorter.)

Doke appears 6-10 max, and despite being able to run the floor as well as any big I've seen at KU, since Manning, he cannot rebound (probably because his arm injury his freshman season limits his motion and strength at locking down on the boards, or limits his leverage to push for position) and he cannot make free throws. This makes him a situational substitute on most teams, not a cornerstone.

If Doke stays, he and Lightfoot, or he and KJ Lawson could be the back ups, if DeSousa returns.

Doke and his advisors apparently realize this.

They also apparently realize he is NOT a hot NBA property at this time.

Thus, they are apparently making the best of a difficult situation. They are testing the NBA waters to see if some team might view him as a long term project, which would be the optimal situation for him.

If no NBA team wants to take him on as a project, then he has to come back and risk DeSousa getting cleared and taking his spot. Doke is not nearly as good as DeSousa in terms of fundamentals. By this season, DeSousa will likely be able to play circles around Doke, unless Doke has miraculous off season transformation with shooting and rebounding.

And Self has already been pretty clear that he is in love with Dedric, until Dedric fails to deliver (if Dedric fails, which he probably won't).

Dedric + De Sousa = Doke as backup.

A vaguely similar situation arose in 2008, when the big Russian, who had started for three years ran out of knees his senior season and became a back up for Shady and D-Block.

The third big slot is a good 20 minute position and it worked out well for the Big Russian, because he got to go back home and make solid money.

But Doke and his posse have NBA money visions--not going to play in Russia visions.

They need to cash in now, if they can find an NBA team looking for a project, or else they are going to have to down size their visions next season.

Still, what are the chances De Sousa leaves the media black hole he has been placed in to ride out the Fibbee investigation?

No one but the Feds can say, or De Sousa would either be off the roster, already, or he would be chattering like a magpie at hyping interviews for his big season upcoming.

So: again, Doke and his people are doing the smart thing.

Try to pedal an NBA project, until they know whether De Sousa will come back.

Draft Declarations Thread • May 20, 2018 05:45 AM

Its shocking just how short KU was this past season.

We all realized that Self was shorthanded (pun intended) in his big man rotation, but my god!!!! My suburban high school team in the 1970s was about as tall at positions 1, 2, 3, and 4, as KU was this past season!!!

Yes, the KU team was a lot more athletic than my high school team, but the only thing that saved the team from being completely blown out was the three good trey shooters.

Think about the real heights for Devonte, Malik, and Svi; then figure Vick HAD to be no taller than 6-3, and this was arguably the shortest bunch of runts to make the Final Four in many years.

No wonder they got their butts beat down by Villanova. Nova bunch of fake 75-100 ringers were all legitimately sized D1 players for their positions.

Good lord, imagine Mitch Lightfoot real height. He's listed at 6-8, so he cannot possibly be more than 6-6.

Marcus Garrett at 6-5? Sure. In a fun house mirror, maybe. The guy was probably 6-3.

Now step back an look at last season's Mighty Jayhawks.

Devonte 6-0

Malik 6-2

Vick 6-3

Svi 6-5

Marcus 6-3

Mitch 6-6

Doke 6-10

Silvio 6-8

Talk about finessing a dwarf team for 30+ wins.

This sounds like a team from 1962, not 2018!

The apparent embargo appears to have done its job, except Self keeps breeding hat rabbits like a DARPA project aimed at weaponizing Pookas.

The walls are closing in on Self, but he keeps finding cracks to slip through.

If he is able to win conference titles, 30+, and get to the Final Four, with a dwarf team, he has to be sooooooooo much better than all the other coaches coaching legitimate D1 talent that it must be scary for the other coaches to think about.

And it must drive one axis of the petroshoeco-agency complex absolutely berserk!

The last guy to hold this much edge over his fellow coaches was probably John Wooden.

Self is scary good.

He is not even using smoke and mirrors any more.

He is using dwarves including three that can shoot treys.

Not perfect.

He makes mistakes for sure.

But dwelling on Self's mistakes is a little like complaining about Marilyn Monroe's mole.

Marilyn drove men mad despite the mole.

Self, with his mistakes, well, he wins a ring, 14 straight conference titles, 30+ games and makes deep runs in the Carney, even with an apparent embargo monkey on his back. Its like handicapping Seabiscuit with two 100-hundred pound bags of readmix cement and Seabiscuit still outrunning War Admiral.

I've said this many times before: guys like Coach K, Cal, Roy, Jay, and Stumpy crash to .500 or .600, when they don't have a full house with aces over kings.

Hell, Jay had to have six apparently fake 75-100 ringers that were bigger and more athletic and that were all better trey shooters than all of KU's guys, except but maybe for Svi for Jay to be crowned the new genius of D1.

Would Self have lost a single flipping game with Jay's treys?

What would Jay Wright's record have been had he been coaching Self's dwarf team with only three 40% trey shooters? OMG!

SIX HUNDRED tops.

Self appears to make some sub optimizing choices about certain players.

But then we learn that the players he wasn't optimizing had baggage, or something else wrong, like they were refusing to come back for one or two more seasons, and the lesser player was willing to come back as long as Self would have him.

What if Self were recruiting on a level playing field?

What would his winning percentage be then?

85 percent?

90 percent?

95 percent?

These seem not just possible, but maybe feasible.

No coach has EVER won at a 90-95 percent level.

But it seems like Self could do it without too much trouble, if he were getting the kind of players the merely solid coaches at the other elite programs in the EST tend to get.

Imagine how tough Self and his Jayhawks would be to beat, if Self and his teams got the treatment Coach K and Duke get from the zebras.

Imagine if KU players could focus more on the game and ease by with Easygate classes.

Imagine how many players Self could sign, if KU were with Nike and Self could off the kinds of incentives to players that Stumpy reputedly offered in a phone call.

Imagine Self with 6-10 OADs--including one or two at each position--for several consecutive years?

I have never seen anything remotely like the level he is coaching at with the relative disadvantage he is coaching with.

Even John R. Wooden had to have a 6-1 wunderkind in Gail Goodrich on his dwarf teams in order to win rings. Goodrich was a flipping NBA shooting legend and started on an NBA champion. Goodrich was a 5 time NBA All-Star. The guy was freaking All NBA First Team one season. The guy scored 19,000 some points in the NBA. The guy played 14 NBA seasons and average 31 mpg and 13.8 ppg. Hell, he averaged over 20 ppg in four straight NBA playoff seasons. Who on Self's band of dwarves last season will EVER come remotely close to those NBA numbers? Exactly none, that's who.

And yet Self lead that team to a Final Four.

Its just flipping amazing.

Draft Declarations Thread • May 17, 2018 05:41 PM

It is an interesting intellectual exercise to discuss players like the Big Red Dog, Billy Preston, and especially Diallo, as if Self were free to play them as much as the apparent lesser talented players that he opted in most cases to play more of the time instead.

But none of the three EVER probably would have been signed had Self had greater access to the kinds of big men that tend to sign with Elite programs in the EST, so I am not sure that one cannot discuss them this way in any truly meaningful way.

Diallo and Lucas were apparently a package, i.e., a kind committee, solution to a problem of insufficient D1 bigs apparently precipitated by an apparent recruiting embargo, obstruction, asymmetric channeling, or something else (you choose) of OAD/5-star grade talent at the 5.

The only reason they apparently WERE signed was what now appears an extended, and perhaps intensifying, recruiting embargo/blockade/asymmetric channelling/something else (you choose) that has apparently constrained the recruiting by our Hall of Fame coach with the highest winning percentage of any active coach in recent years, depending on the 10 year and less time frames one parses with.

With hindsight, we now can at least guess somewhat reasonably why both Cal and Self competed to sign Diallo (the hyper sashimi of big man basketball recruits), and the motivations appear to have been starkly different.

Cal apparently wanted Diallo, because: a.) raw, apparently baggage-laden guys like Diallo were apparently NOT a problem for UK to get cleared; b.) Diallo's absence of recognizable basketball fundamentals was not a great deficit in Cal's hop, skip and a jump high school offense (that already no one else runs); c.) Cal apparently correctly anticipated UK was shortly no longer going to be awarded long stacks by whatever powers may be that giveth long stacks and taketh long stacks away; and d.) Cal apparently correctly reasoned that if he signed Diallo to keep him away from Self, Self would lack sufficient inside depth to be a serious threat to UK and perhaps other Nike-contracted programs come March. All in all, it was pretty savvy of Cal to try to recruit the raw, apparent human baggage carousel that was Diallo, wasn't it?

Now reflect on our Coach Self a moment.

Self, in contradistinction, had already had extensive experience with trying to win with 3, or fewer OADs, and had loooooong experience with not being able to sign, or coach, OAD/5-star players at the 1 and 5 spots. And Self was increasingly familiar with having to develop and play 3-4 star projects. This was the temple of Bill's familiar that was all entirely Greek to Cal. In any case, Bill apparently took a significant risk (specifically of failure to clear) and signed Diallo: a.) to have someone (even someone without recognizable basketball fundamentals) with D1 grade athleticism and size inside at least for some depth; and b.) he appears to have taken his roulette wheel chance on Diallo precisely because he could claim that Kentucky recruited him, too. That's it. I can't see any other angle, can you? Bill was apparently rolling the dice to find someone that might be a fast learner (a second lightening strike like the prior project that was Embiid) in hopes of maybe being able to put at least one big on the floor with draft choice grade athleticism. He was apparently gambling, and with some desperate futility it appears in hindsight, that if Cal and UK figured they could get him cleared, then he MIGHT, or so it appears in retrospect, be able to shame the NCAA into clearing him for KU, also. A coach apparently behind a recruiting 8-ball has to remain optimistic and try every angle to have even a reasonable chance of remaining successful at the level Self has attained, right?

So why am I spending so much time on Diallo other than that you guys are arguing the merits of a guy that has never showed an ability to start and play anywhere in college or the pros?

Diallo, to me, is the poster child for what KU recruiting has largely defaulted to in the case of big men, at least.

The once vaunted Big Man U can recruit many OAD/5-star big men and get quite a few to attend Late Night, but for reasons as impenetrable as rumored scalar energy warfare, can't sign them AND clear them AND avoid issues after clearance that make playing them after a certain point before, or during a season tantamount to having to vacate that season.

KU's new nickname should be "Big Baggage Man U + 3-4star Project Man U."

So: thinking about Diallo vs. Lucas misses the point IMHO.

Self never had a rational option to play Diallo, or Lucas, other than he did.

Let me explain why I believe this was so.

Sure, I stipulate that playing either player a lot more would have improved that player a lot more. And playing Diallo more would likely have yielded a better 5 by some point in the season than playing Lucas more, if the risks of relying heavily on either player were more or less the same.

But they apparently weren't the same.

Diallo was apparently a baggage carousel big from the git go, and Lucas was apparently not.

Thus the baggage risks with Diallo were apparently up here.

And the baggage risks with Lucas were apparently way down here.

Thus, Self's only rational option from a risk management stand point was to play both in just about the increments that he did, when he did, as the baggage risk drama played out.

Diallo and Lucas appeared to have been two sides of the same coin of Self's big man strategy resulting from an apparent recruiting embargo/obstruction/asymmetric channelling/something else phenomenon (you choose) that leads into Self never recently having the kind of roster of bigs comparable to other D1 Elite programs.

Since Self apparently cannot sign OAD/5-star bigs without baggage, he has opted to sign: a.) baggage projects with D1 athleticism; and b.) 3-4 star development projects without D1 athleticism; and then c.) hedge his bet on the baggage carousel big with over reliance and development of the 3-4 star project.

Thus, Self always has to anticipate and scheme the team around bigs that take years to develop, plus around bigs that likely won't get cleared, or if they do get cleared, will pose season long risks of other discoveries of baggage; that appears to be the big man committee at the KU 5 position, perhaps since the 2008 team, but definitely more recently.

Self apparently could NEVER start and largely rely on Diallo, because Self could apparently never be certain how his signing of, and heavy reliance on, Diallo would be viewed by the powers that were, and, so, could never fully discern how signing Diallo might be used against him by the powers that were. And increasingly in hindsight, it appears that the powers that were were not JUST the NCAA, if the recent, reputed widening of the FBI/DOJ investigation is to be given creedence. There appears to be some kind of as yet vaguely understood "complex" involved. Satisfying one part of said vague complex would not necessarily guaranty satisfaction of its other parts. Some parts may be in considerable conflict and competition at times. Its hard to say.

Thus, the complexities of this circumstance reduces rational coaching of baggage carousel bigs to a kind of risk management activity, not to an activity aimed at optimization of a particular player. This same circumstance apparently leads to the playing of inferior players as part of the risk management strategy; i.e., as a kind of hedging against relatively difficult to accurately quantify risk.

IMHO, Self appears caught in, and appears to be making, something approximating "satisficing" choices about big man development in a world of problematic roster trade-offs resulting largely from an apparent, and so far only vaguely understood, recruiting embargo/obstruction/asymmetric channelling/something else (you choose).

Thus it becomes a somewhat metaphysical discussion whether or not Diallo with many more minutes of PT would have developed enough over the course of the season to have helped KU go far deeper in the Madness, than what actually transpired. What actually transpired was apparently the most rationally feasible option Self could make with the limited information he likely possesses (and his limited information is likely significantly more extensive than what we possess). Self apparently chose to risk manage by, if you will, building a big man derivative out of Diallo and Lucas,and, when the risks of playing Diallo more down the stretch outweighed the advantages of playing him a lot, then Self apparently had little or no rational alternative other than to do it the way he did. It simply seems improbable that given the complexities of the situation that faced Self regarding his apparent baggage carousel big man that he could have with 100 percent confidence predict that it would be risk free to invest solely, or even just primarily, in his development.

Diallo, Cliff, and Billy all fit into this hypothesized derivative model of Self's big man by committee approach. The inferior player has to be played a lot in order to allay the risk of even having the baggage carousel big on the roster.

Think about this past season a moment. Self had to develop not only Doke, who couldn't do anything on offense but dunk, but he also had to develop the talent-challenged Mitch Lightfoot precisely because of Billy Preston's roster presence. Self apparently chose to prepare for the entire season, not as if Billy would play, but as if Billy might not play. Had Billy not been a baggage carousel big, Self might well have been able to cryo-ice Mitch, or maybe even never sign him at all, had Self been able to sign two non baggage carousel big men with talents and abilities typical of D1 bigs at other Elite programs.

Would KU have been better, if Billy had not been a baggage carousel big that played full time? Maybe, but not certainly in the age of the three point basket. Self probably wouldn't have let KU's trey shooters take as many threes and so KU would almost certainly have lost some games, as a result. Billy might have been able to off set those losses due to reduced trey shooting, but not necessarily. But Billy would likely have been able to trigger a W on those games, when KU was slumping outside and needed higher productivity inside to get a W. But these are metaphysical considerations. The fact apparently was: Billy was apparently a baggage carousel big, or Self appeared to sense that he might have been at some point or other. At any moment he could have apparently not been cleared. At any moment he apparently could have left the program without playing a game. And in fact, he did leave the program finally before playing in a conference game. So: Self apparently rationally was wise to recognize the risk of that eventuality by developing Mitch and suboptimzing Billy even in the exhibition games.

Hedge fund investors probably appreciate and respect what Self has done in the case of Diallo and in the case of Billy, probably with Cliff also. To them, they would not dare build the derivative without some kind of a guarantied insurance contract (a contract that insures against the collapse of either end of the derivative), even if it was a fake, or underfunded GIC. But Self? Man, he sails into most seasons in a stiff head wind diverting most playable OAD/5-star 5s to EST Elite Programs, and he patches together a Diallo and a Lucas derivative at the 5, or a Billy and a Mitch derivative, and without so much as a single GIC, he charts a course for winning 82%, 30 games, a conference title and a Final Four. He doesn't often get to the Final Four, but almost always drops anchor along the way at each of the other destinations on his chart.

Damned impressive.

The captain can sail.

(Note: All opining and speculation about appearances by a layman fan viewing remotely. No insider knowledge of what is REALLY going on. Rock Chalk!)

Romeo • May 17, 2018 05:33 AM

Wait a minute.

The apparent petroshoeco-agency complex reputedly doesn't even admit to channeling players between brands!

I am outraged that board rats are suggesting that the apparent petroshoeco-agency complex channels players among schools contracted with the same brand.

Incensed!

This is flipping 2018 fer cryin' out loud.

No one has been convicted of ANY channeling of players between brands, or within brands.

It might even be entirely consistent with entertainment values to channel players between and within brands.

This is all irresponsible speculation.

Stop it now!!!!

The Petroshoeco-agency complex may not even exist!

Most D1 players may not even be incentivized under the table.

Hell, cars may not be being financed.

Pop up high schools may just be a conspiracy theory memed by the Deep State, or the ghost of Allen Dulles.

The media-gaming complex might not even use the media to predictively program bettor expectations.

Why, the mafia and Deep State may not even launder money through betting on D1.

Don't you board rats get it?

D1 may be completely pristine.

There may be no corruption at all.

All 10 of those OADs a few years back may just coincidentally have ended up in Lexington lubricating their jump shots with mousse from Cal's hair...and NOTHING more!

"And I say to myself/

what a wonderful world..."

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Mystery Recruit • May 16, 2018 11:22 PM

@BShark

Here is my prediction and it is almost money in the bank. These are the only options:

a.) no one is signed;

b.) Bob Hill channels some player from Eurasia we haven't heard of;

c.) a very good player with a ton of baggage inhibiting clearance to play switches petroshoeco leans and signs with adidas-KU;

d.) some 3-star player committed to a minor major, like Towson State, has sharply improved since committing, and de-commits to take the chance of a life time and sign with an elite major.

That's it.

That's all that ever happens.

There is no mystery to this at all.

What other scenario ever happens this time of year than one, or more, of the four above?

Sketchers vs Adidas • May 16, 2018 04:21 PM

@dylans and @HighEliteMajor

A possible rabbit hole to run down in pursuit of insight into this story might be substantial shifts in the stock ownership profile of Sketchers the last 12 to 24 months, which I have not looked at.

adidas sort of appears to be being surrounded, or perhaps contained, while many tactics appear to be being tried to turn it into a compliant member of a producer oligopoly.

adidas apparently wants to act consistently with its share of the global market for petroshoes and petrowear.

Someone, or something, else, apparently wants adidas to take on a role more like a subordinate member of a global producer oligopoly.

IMHO, it is all likely to get uglier, before resolution occurs.

But I have no insider knowledge, and am, as usual, just a layman sports fan opining for fun about KU basketball and issues appearing to impact on KU basketball.

@dylans

P.S.: I would recommend you enjoy the heck out of Paw Patrol and all the kiddy stuff. That silly stuff and the occasional great Pixar movies viewed with my children are some of my fondest memories for that extended block of time. Kids give you a chance at a second childhood yourself, because they force you to see all the childhood stuff a second time through their eyes AND your aging eyes. I really loved that experience. And then when you top it off with bed time stories you make up that combine some of those your dad told you with added improvising of your own, and you suddenly see how the oral tradition lives and is passed on inspire of all the digital flood, well, its just beautiful!!!!!!

@dylans

Sport is 24/7 and year round. There is always some on, or a reinforcing replay, and sports talk radio/TV to keep the world betting, buying petroshoes/petrowear, and buying soap, cars, beer and pharma.

If you recall Rollerball, sport is waaaaaaaaaay beyond what was portrayed in Rollerball.

@dylans

Remember that the NCAA has been described by some as a cartel of athletic directors. So: when one is talking about the NCAA, one may actually be talking about the athletic directors, as much as the NCAA officers at NCAA headquarters.

My hunch increasingly is that the Deep State is in a process of taking over sports from D1 to Pros, for the same reason it has consolidated American media from diverse ownership to 5 holding companies it effectively controls; for the same reason it has converted almost all market sectors from diverse producer markets, or from monopoly producer markets, into effectively controlled oligopoly producer markets; for the same reason it has coopted the American political apparatus by embedding its neocons in the Republican Party, and its neolibs in the Democratic Party and funded the controlled opposition of splinter parties on both extremes; for the same reason it has effectively coopted diverse terrorist organizations and has ordered diverse terrorist and crime organizations by starting some terrorist/crime organizations, and by coopting others, in order to use a controlled terrorist oligopoly, if you will, to drive events in ways enabling the advancement of the Deep State's central talking points and agenda.

Sports is simply to hugely influential in too many ways to leave it to a 20th Century athletic director cartel, or however you might choose to define the legacy NCAA.

Sports is superb controlled cultural conditioning to convince the young that autocracy is the way to orchestrate teamwork and that steep sacrifice for an elite is a good.

Sports is fabulous predictive programming for conditioning most to expect failure and to tolerate an elite few winning most all the time.

Sport is so popular it can and is used to sell anything from wars, to cars, to gasoline, to beer, to soap.

Sport is great for promoting politicians and their political agendas.

Sport is great for conditioning many to bet and lose.

Sport is great for distracting a nation from the committing of torture, mass murder, child sex trafficking, outsourcing, drug dumping, unprovoked serial invasions of countries, enablement of illegal immigration, and all the other horrific activities the Deep State routinely engages in.

Sport is great for stimulating gambling and sports media is great for conditioning bettor expectations and both enable expedient laundering of vast sums of dirty money.

Sport is an entertainment as crucial to the contemporary global totalitarian financialism, as the entertainments of the Roman Coliseum were to classical Rome.

No way is a Deep State with the ambition of a New World Order including all of the nations on earth going to leave sport up to chance.

Sport has to be subjected to regime change to reorder it to something responsive and controllable to the agenda of the Deep State and the private oligarchy it works for. It has to be destabilized to be re-stabilized. The private oligarchy that set amateur and professional sport up in the early 20th Century appears to be in a death struggle with a more recent private oligarchy that seems hell-bent on eclipsing the old world order. Naturally, sport must be re-ordered.

@Lulufulu

Svi started out considered a good outside shooter and was tried at point guard/2 guard and didn't have quick enough feet to guard anyone. He also didn't make many treys. His first off season, Hudy bulked him up and he lost most of his quickness and coordination. His shot went completely to hell, as he lost confidence. He was retooled into a 3-4 swing man; then Perry Ellis showed the stretch 4 could be played when relatively undersized, especially with small hands and without super quick feet in the 4-1 set, Self seemed to fully commit to preparing Svi to be that smallish stretch 4 that Svi finally blossomed into his last season.

But here is the thing: Svi could make free throws from the beginning, and before he came to America and got being too slow footed and too weak to play the point in America, he had had a rep as a fine outside shooter in Eurasia Ball. So: the inference is that Svi was a good natural shooter that ran into a lot of retooling issues and change of position issues that derailed him as a shooter, for a couple years while he got stronger and learned a new position. Marcus Garrett has shown no signs of being a good natural shooter, so far. Poor FT shooting and poor FG shooting leave us with little reasonable optimism that he will become much more than a 35% FG shooter and 65% FT shooter. Hence, my concerns about him as a starter on a team that has lost all of its outside fire power and replaced it with nothing sterling from trey ville.

The shape of our techno-dystopia • May 11, 2018 05:49 AM

@approxinfinity

I do not mean to understate the risks of technology that we face moving forward.

We are in real danger from quantum clock time increments combined with quantum computing.

We are facing digital runaway, even if computers never become sentient, or simply pass the Turing Test by our being unable to tell the difference between their appearance of sentience and there actual sentience.

The real problem we face is that with quantum clocks breaking time into increments smaller than we can comprehend, except in crude terms of orders of magnitude, quantum computers can begin to make rules that operate near the limits of nano infinities. In turn, whether digital systems become sentient, or remain dumb near the speed of light, initial conditions of digital choice will unleash butterly effects down stream elaborated into a complexity we cannot comprehend, or anticipate. This is not only possible possible, but apparently happening all the time in bit torrent storms we cannot forecast or explain.

We already know we don't know what we don't know about the digital realm that we increasingly float upon like analog bugs on a roiling sea of digital complexity.

Frankly, at this point, it is not really very significant whether AI becomes sentient or not; that is the least of our concerns. We are already far beyond being able to verify the existence of sentient AI even if it were to already exist. Unknowable, unfathomable, complexity near nano infinity is the new normal IMHO.

Thus, humanity's only hope is institutions. Institution must be established that recognize this and so absolutely DO NOT entrust our choices and way of life and moral-ethical standards and epistemoligical framework of knowing things be compromised and subordinated to the inevitable butterfly effects originating near the frontier of nano infinity.

The oceans and humanity's decision to explore them offer a good analog to our situation.

The oceans were to big and too full of complexity at every level for us to understand and anticipate the context they created for us at sea. Those that went to see had over time to both establish rough heuristics about when the sea could and could not be navigated, and establish scientific inquiry to learn and map the shores, the currents and the thermosaline layers, and the weather systems, as we went along. We had to not only map the oceans, but understand that maps could only tell part of the story. A whole new set of institutions--formal and informal--had to be established through experience and thought and experiment. There was no not going to sea. There was simply to much to be gained strategically and economically by going. Similarly, there is no not going into the sea of nano infinity and quantum programming of activities at the nanoscale. There is too much to be gained, both strategically and economically. But sailors over the millennia learned the sea neither to be trifled with nor to be grasped in its entirety. We sailed it, we did not control it. It was a wildly more dynamic context in comparison to the land. Nano infinity is going to prove to be a wildly more dynamic context in comparison to legacy scale of years, months, days, minutes and seconds.

Institutions are the only way to deal with unknowns. Institutions can be fair to many, or unfair to the many. But institutions about how to negotiate the frontier of nano infinity and how to interface the wilderness of nano infinity with the realm of time we now operate in.

It is critical to emphasize that we may have been in digital runaway for quite some time and just don't realize it.

It is naive for any of us to think that we can forecast the point in the future where the sea of nano infinity becomes more than we can handle. It is also naive for any of us to think that we can back cast when digital runaway occurred. All any of us can say is that we better start instituting for it ASAP because it either happened already, or is coming.

Inquiring minds want to know!

Did the investigation have to wait the dump trucks were reprogrammed to go more places, and put some time and distance between the 9-10 OAD stack years and the current, less conspicuous 3-5 per year stacking.

Is all of NCAA basketball recruiting just a big coincidence?

Is the FBI-DOJ investigation just chasing nothing burgers?

Is D1 as clean as an ice cream social in the Victorian era?

Who seriously thinks both the 5-stars will be cleared to play and play in the first regular season game? I think its slim.

Who seriously thinks Doke and Silvio will play the first regular season game? I think its slim or none.

Who seriously thinks that Self will sign another 4-5 star freshman this off season for this coming season? Odds approaching zero.

What are the odds that Self winds up having less credible D1 depth than he had last season, rather than more, once the effects of the cloud of the investigation have a chance to work from now till October 15th? 50-50

Overall, my guess is the odds are slim that Self will be able to field more than a 6-7 man rotation of credible D1 players and that Self will wind up trying to play through Dedrick the same way he played through Wayne Simien, but the game will have changed too much to make it work very well.

My guess is Dedrick will get 15-20 touches per game.

My guess is Charlie Moore is the starting PG and only one of the two 5-star guards actually plays next season for KU.

My guess is the Sith are still tightening down the apparent embargo on Self and KU.

Cremo picks Villanova • May 10, 2018 03:52 AM

kjayhawks said:

I am not going to master the obvious here.

I will just ask: if the investigation is NOT a deterrent to Nike leans signing with Nike programs with clouds hanging over them, but it is a deterrent to adidas leans signing with adidas programs with clouds hanging over them, what does that tell you?

The shape of our techno-dystopia • May 09, 2018 10:27 PM

@approxinfinity

No one with utilitarian ethics is steering technology; on that we agree.

Institutions for most work in history, when the consensus of a majority is respected, not when not.

The private oligarchy is spending trillions to induce disorder to make us think totalitarian baroque is the only way order can be enforced. It’s sick but it works.

Everytime in history that culture respects the consensus of the majority and writes and enforces institutions reflective of that majority even briefly, fairness, equity and peace spread like wild fire.

Just as the private oligarchy serially dumped guns and drugs on the nations of the world, they are now serially dumping mind control digital and microwave and visual wave mindcontrol technology to achieve the disordering they require for reordering.

They even have a name rationalizing the induced raping, looting an pillaging of nations: Hayek’s “creative destruction. “

Only those not yet free of the massively funded technological mind control blame technology and science.

If you want to stop shootings, stop the private oligarchy from financing the gun dumping for profit and control.

If you want to stop techno-dystopia, stop the private oligarchy from mind control dumping for profit and control.

If you institute fairness and equitable access to the inputs a person requires to become productive, Ray, they will most certainly come and become proactive.

If you institute it, they will come.

They will most certainly come, Ray.

Technology will become a tool instead of a weapon.

The shape of our techno-dystopia • May 09, 2018 07:39 PM

Technology is actually easy to constrain and channel to constructive ends, when utilitarian democracy in the form of republics are allowed to operate, but not when not. When private oligarchies are allowed to weaponize all realms of human activity (a most fitting definition of totalitarianism), then everything from basketball petroshoes to the internet and mindcontrol with monitor radiation menace us.

The narrative of an impossible to avert “techno dystopia” is one of the ways our private oligarchy distracts us from holding them accountable for the serial overthrows, looting and pillaging of nation states, and the subjugation and consolidation of those states’ firms into financialized oligopolies at the mercy of the private oligarchy’s central banking and currency cartel. Nothing more.

If they can make us think the technology is the problem, then they don’t have to worry about us constraining them with institutions and enforcement to make the pirate private oligarchy lower the Jolly Rogers and raise and sail according to the flag of our individual and national sovereignties.

Cremo picks Villanova • May 09, 2018 07:22 PM

What a surprise! Players don’t want to sign with a program under a cloud of investigation.

Hey, do you think it could get worse, if something sticks and we get vacated seasons and no bid to the Carney for a few years?

Cui bono?

From the main title alone, one might think the book was contemporary.

But the full book title clarifies: "Desert War: The North African Campaign 1940-1943. The book binds three of war correspondent Alan Moorehead's books published in 1940 (1 book) and 1943 (2 books) into a single Middle Eastern bench mark of why everyone fights there any chance they get. Its a great read.

And it is amazing to think that the book was first published as a trilogy in England 1944 as "African Trilogy," and then again in USA as "March to Tunis" in 1965, and a third time as "Desert War" in the USA and elsewhere in 2001 just in time for 9-11.

I will leave the details of this magnum opus of the North African campaign to those WWII buffs that want to know what the Middle East is about, rather than want to continue with the current exercise in official confusion. But I don't want to mislead you here. This Moorehead book iis hardly a muck raking book. He won an OBE for it, mates. This book WAS the official story back in a time in the history of the West, when Western leaders were confident enough in the legitimacy of their actions to report on them in more than talking points.

Let's just say "Desert War" is Alan Moorehead compiling his reporting for a Melbourne, Australia, daily for whom he peripatetically hopscotched all over the Middle East and North Africa to tell the run up to, and the Allied conquest of, the oily rim of North Africa and the greater Levant prior to the Allied invasion of France and Italy, as said Euro countries being used as stepping stones to crush Germany, which had, afterall had the temerity to dare to join hands with Japan over land and sea to try to deny to Great Britain and USA the Middle East oil and the oil tanker shipping lanes from the Middle East. If it all sounds a little familiar, as geo-strategic drama, it should. With 3/4s of a century of hindsight, this story is geo-strategic drama without a curtain act so far, just a series of temporary cessations of combat, while mil-tech sets are changed, and new plot points are player through. Regardless, the same countries keep getting the shit blown out of them.

But perhaps the single most foreshadowing take away in "Desert War" is found at the end of the three books in the form of a map of the Middle East region with an inset map of the region of Palestine (then soon to be divided into Israel and Palestine), Lebanon, the then named TransJordan, Syria and Iraq.

Most unsubtly delineated is the British Petroleum pipeline from Kirkuk, in The Iraq, through Syria to the port of Haifa in what was then Palestine and would become Israel. The map ALSO shows the northern fork in the pipeline that branches off through Syria to the port of Tripoli, Lebanon, situated just a little north of Beirut, Lebanon. One cannot look at the map apparently from 1943 and not be struck by the fact that the current savage fighting and likely war crimes and crimes against humanity being perpetrated by many in Syria likely occur within a stones throw of the old pipeline that everyone has wanted to control at least since the late 1930s. If only the map had foreseen the gas line right of way that Qatar would like to route through Syria today, and the former headquarters of Joule Oil with all the former high ranking Neocon types as board members, and the Hamas lines of communication with Iran, and the US-Israeli sorties into Syria, and the Russian military support for Bashar al Assad, why, we would be saying Alan Moorehead were as farsighted as Nostradamus. Quite a pithy map indeed, as maps go.

What was it Santayana said?

Marcus Smart • May 08, 2018 05:24 AM

Marcus Dropsy.

BigBad said:

It makes me laugh that even die hard fans think Self has "seen the light" regarding shooting mostly 3s. Our team's best shooters and players last year were SENIOE DG, SENIOR Svi, reshirt JUNIOR Newman, and JUNIOR Vick. Self isn't reliant on the 3, he was and will always be reliant on guys he TRUSTS and those are usually upperclassmen. He will mold our offense to fit those guys he trusts. As tight as our lineup got last tournament he trusts Marcus.


Part of me wants to believe your argument, but...

But I just can't.

Self had no choice last season. DG, Svi, Malik and Vick could have been ten year olds, or geriatric patients. They were the only guys he had that could walk and chew gum at a D1 level. On the perimeter, Young and Teahan did not sit because he did not trust them. They sat, because they weren't D1 caliber rotation players. Inside he had noone that could make a basket 3 inches beyond the bucket, when the opposition was big and strong. Doke played, because his competition was Mitch Lightfoot. Heck, Self stripped a kid out of high school, DeSouza, and played him in a game, before Self could probably spell his name. He didn't trust DeSouza in the first game against WVU. It wasn't clear that Self even knew whether DeSouza preferred Big Macs to Quarter Pounders.

My take on Self is that he tries to find a way to get the most talented and productive guys he has on the roster on the court at the same time. He tries schemes that enable his best players to play together. Sometimes it takes him till late in the season to find a scheme and the players that fit, and other times he figures it out before the first game.

Trust only comes into it, when he has more talented and productive guys to choose among than he has roles in a 7-8 man rotation. If he can't trust you to be as productive as another guy, the other guys gets the rotation slot. But by and large, Self is kind of a maniac about finding ways to get his best players on the floor and in the rotation.

@HighEliteMajor

Cunliffe IS a mystery.

Self did one of his Cryo-icings.

Cunliffe reminds me of a perimeter equivalent of Hunter Mickelson (sp?).

He can probably play, but only if Self can’t find one of his preferred body morphologies.

Sometimes it appears Self is into certain body morphologies and aesthetics of one kind and not another. It’s not “the racial.” He has appeared to show this peculiarity of preference independent, of race, ethnicity, height, and national origin.

The puzzle is why he recruits the “others”, because he almost always Cryo-Ices them.

But it could also be a personality trait he discovers, after signing them, that does not engender his trust.

Hard to know. But I would ask him about it over a beer, if I ever got the chance.

kjayhawks said:

He’ll be a key guy next season, bet all of those stats improve. He could drive the ball fairly well this season.


I suspect u r right about being a key player, but remain concerned about whether the improvement in offensive productivity will come.

So much depends on these two 5-Star guards. Teams just can’t dominate with bigs scoring 2 pt baskets at a high percentage, when the opponent has 2-3 40%ers from trey.

And Dedrick can’t really be a dominant big at his size without a Perry Ellis grade trey to keep the defense from dense packing him. Never foul a big at the rim. Just double to deny him rim access and you win 2/3s of the time by him shooting 2s and your team shooting treys.

The math, CENTRAL STANDARD TIME ZONE, and the zebras, are against the inside big, or the perimeter driver, scoring efficiently inside (short treys) on the road and in the Carney. Period.

The only unfouled shot, or shot with a free throw, on the road and in the Carney for an adidas CST team is a 3pta.

dylans said:

I wonder if best way to attack a three point shooting team to stick in their pocket from across half court on D. Don’t allow any easy passes, much less shots. And on the offensive end drive the heck out of the ball aggressively into the defenders chest. Force the refs to blow the whistle and foul those suckers out.


Driving works at AFH, but not on the road, and never in the March Carney, unless one is a NIKE EST team.

@Gunman

Let's hope wanting what's best for the team includes bumping his FT percentage to 70%.

I started out a doubter on Marcus Garrett, as a freshman.

By three quarters of the season, he made me a believer that he could defend and rebound.

For a game or two, it seemed he might find his stroke as a shooter, and become more than a defensive specialist, but then it never happened.

His season stats for offense as a freshman are as follows:

FG%, 45.6%

FT% 49.0%

3pt% 26.7%

These offensive stats can be viewed two ways.

View 1: its amazing Marcus played as well as he did, having been an unheralded freshman thrown into the frying pan, and a year of physical maturation and shooting practice will enable him to improve considerably on those stats, as a sophomore.

View 2: We have a defensive specialist that will get much bigger and stronger as he matures, and so become a lock down defender, but, Houston, we have a problem on offense.

I have seen freshman sharply improve their FG% and 3pt% over a four year college career with practice, better looks, and growing confidence and endurance. I have also seen them not.

But I do not recall a freshman that shot 49% from the FT stripe, become an 80% FT shooter, or even a 70% FT shooter. I suspect it has happened, and I don't recall it. But, regardless, I suspect the odds are strongly against a 49% FT shooter becoming better than a 65% FT shooter when all the practicing is done.

So: in the three point era that college basketball increasingly finds itself determined by, the question is: can KU afford Marcus Garrett's mediocre offense, especially his current 49% FT shooting as a starter to get his good to lock down level of defense at the 3, or better yet, the 2 position, where his 6-5 length might offer serious defensive match up advantage? Remember, even if he loads on the muscle, he will still not be as tall as some of the NBA bound 3s he would have to guard sometimes, especially from the Sweet 16 on.

In the old days of XTreme Muscle and Self Defense famed for putting bodies on offenders, Marcus Garrett, with another 15 pounds, would have fit right into the KU Jayhawks of 5 years ago, if Self were between draftchoice grade players at the 2, or 3.

But in the new days where wings must not only be able to stretch to guard the trey, but also make the trey, and in the contemporary game where one has to covert a short deuce into a short trey at the FT line, or one has wasted a possession against an opponent brimming with three point shooters, that 49% FT shooting percentage on 51 attempts and that 26.7% 3pt accuracy on 45 attempts is kind of concerning, even when one factors in some reasonable improvement.

Next year's team does not appear to have a single three point shooter as accurate as Svi (44%), DG (40%) and Malik (41%).

Put another way, last year's team had so many dead eyes that it could compensate for Garrett's offensive deficiencies, but the coming team appears not to be similarly able.

There is little question that Self has a place for a guy that can guard as well as Garrett. There is little question that Garrett will improve on defense and in his floor game. But there
significant question whether the likely improvement Garrett will make on offense will be enough for Self to afford Garrett as a starter on next season's team that may have significantly less efficiency on offense than the last one.

And if Doke and Silvio are no longer apart of the program, which now appears more than a 50/50 probability, well, does anyone think KU can guard its way into another conference title and a run in the Carney with Garrett starting and playing 30-35 minutes?

Self is a genius and a magician, but without a rim protector and without significant three point shooting, what will separate this coming KU team from most other mid echelon teams?

One has to hope that his two 5 star guards and Moore turn out to be prolific and efficient scorers from outside, because using Dedric like Wayne Simien in the 25-35 3 PTA era could be a rude awakening to the caustic after effects of the apparent recent recruiting embargo and the high risk recruiting baggage players that have not panned out in recent years.

In conclusion, it seems that Garrett's future as a starter depends on two things:

a.) how much can he improve that FT and 3PT shooting; and

b.) how efficiently productive on offense the new 5-star point guards turn out to be.

We have to assume, for the sake of our sanities, that the Lawson brothers will be effective D1 bigs regardless. If they fall short of expectations, we could be facing a blood bath, regardless.

Elijah Eliott • May 06, 2018 05:31 AM

Welcome Elijah Eliot. You sound like a highly motivated walk on. Such walk-ons have been a significant element of the KU march to 14 straight conference titles and a high winning percentage. You are one of us now!!!! Rock Chalk!!!

@HighEliteMajor

PHOF!

We HAVE come a long way!!!

Svi for three 115 times at a .44 make rate!

Think about some of the three point shooters KU has had over the years!

Think of how many guys KU had squeezing treys this past season.

Heck, Devonte had 110, but his make rate was "only" .40.

Svi Mykahiliuk had an awesome three point shooting season for a Bill Self guy. Kirk Hinrich and Tyrel Reed probably had higher make rates at .46 or so for a season. But were their 3PT attempts up at 259? I didn't look it up, but I doubt it.

Svi just had one helluva a great shooting season. And it kind of sneaked up on me. I knew he was having hot streaks, but the cold spells stuck in my mind. But the hot streaks and the cold spells averaged 44% and 115 treys; that 345 points worth of momentum changing daggers for the Ukraine Kid.

This great performance by Svi made me go look up a list of top three point shooting seasons in D1starting about 1985, with the caveat that the era from 1985 to 1993 is mostly complete, but not totally complete. Here is the link I looked at.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/leaders/fg3-player-season.html ↗

To put Svi's season in perspective, he would have had to make three more to make the list. This is some list of three point shooting. I didn't realize guys had been making so many treys per season for so long.

Number 1 on the list is Stephen Curry with 162 makes the 2007-2008 season; that was the season Sherron hounded him in NCAA tourney, if I recall correctly. Kind of adds even greater appreciation for what Sherron accomplished that game, but I digress.

Not surprisingly, the list is heavily weighted toward players you don't recall that played for mid majors. Who remembers Darrin Fitzgerald at number 2 with 158 trey makes. Fitzgerald played for Butler, but NOT under Brad Stevens. Fitzgerald hung his great 158 in 1986-1987. Put another way, Larry Brown was coaching KU when Fitzgerald foreshadowed the future of college basketball in the 21st Century.

The next guy with a name I recognized was Buddy Hield at Number 6 with 147 makes in 2015-2016. Lon Kruger loves him some trifectas.

After some more mid major types, we find Randy Rutherford from Oklahoma State at Number 9 banging in 146 in 1995-1996. Ah, it seems there were a number of guys back in the 20th Century pointing the way. I didn't recall Rutherford either. Guess who was coaching OSU and foresaw the future of 21st Century basketball that season? Yup. Eddie Sutton.

The next guy I remember is at Number 14 and tied with two other mid major guys. He was Dukie J. J. Redick at 139. Remember what a great trifectate Redick was claimed to be? He's only 14 on the list and at that he's tied with Travis Bader of Oakland U (2012-2013) and Terence Woods of Florida A&M (2003-2004).

The list goes on a long ways...all the way down to 16 guys tied at 118. Remember Un Young from Oklahoma? Un was the same guy that was called Deuce at mid season and started the season as Trae. Remember the hype loaded on him? FIFTEEN other guys made as many treys in a single season as Un did. Brady Heslip of Baylor and A.J. Abrams of Texas were two of them. Heck, even Fizzourah's Clarence Gilbert made 118.

So: while KU had a great Final Four season, and Svi set our record for most trey makes in KU history, well, Self and KU have some way to go before we can break a guy on to the list I have linked to.

Some may see the glass half empty and say, "Hey, Bill, what took you so long with this trifectation stuff?"

But I look at the glass half full and say, "Hey, Bill, when you finally decided to let's fly, you had Svi immediately set a school record, reach the Final Four, and win your FOURTEENTH CONSECUTIVE conference title!"

One thing I almost forgot to mention.

There is not one single Villanova guy on the three point shooting list.

Go figure.

Coach Wright might alter the record Villanova record books shortly, also.

Rock 3 POINT Chalk!!!!!!

And thank you, Mr. Mykhailiuk, for showing Coach Self that the three point shot is at least gold and not fool's gold, when you've got the kind of accuracy of the Ukrainian Kid!!!!!

Dok • May 06, 2018 12:32 AM

HighEliteMajor said:

(I say that, of course, understanding that my NBA acumen is lacking, so I may be talking out of my backside).

QHOF (Qualification Hall of Fame)

:-)

Let the dumb begin! • May 06, 2018 12:30 AM

@ et al

I'm still waiting to find who K-Hate will hire as their permanent coach to replace their interim coach: Bruce Squeakster.

@kjayhawks

One argument is that the enormous basketball driven petroshoeco contracts and NCAA Carney revenues subsidizing of the minor sports has eliminated all incentive to need to try to make the non basketball sports competitive. They get their monies regardless, so they just keep operating ineptly. And Zenger and Self just stay focused on doing whatever it takes to keep the basketball driven petroshoeco revenues and March Carney revenues optimized and forget about the minor sports. Even football has become a minor sport at KU.

Money rules D1.

And as Jay Bilas said, the ADs and the NCAA have turned amateur sports into the biggest money machine in all of sports, and basketball's March Carney is the biggest single revenue generating event in sport.

Successful minor sports would just dilute the marketing message of KU basketball.

The role of the minor sports in D1 may just have been reduced to giving the children of big donors and the children of those involved in promoting the basketball program something to do.

Dok • May 05, 2018 03:59 AM

If Doke stays, can he learn to guard the corner trey?

If Doke goes, can he learn to shoot FTs as a professional?

Let the dumb begin! • May 05, 2018 03:45 AM

@drgnslayr

Is K-Hate good enough now that they will stop treating a win over KU as their national championship?

:-)

JayHawkFanToo said:

@jaybate-1.0

You are confusing the KUAD which has always been, still is and will always be parts of the University with Kansas Athletics, Inc. which is an independent non-profit entity.

Excellent. Thanks for the clarification.

Now we need further clarification.

What are the scope of activities of KUAD versus Kansas Athletics, Inc.?

Which organization contracts with Self to be the coach?

Which organization contracts with Zenger to be the athletic director?

Which organization contracts with the petroshoeco and receives revenues from the petrosheoco and disburses those revenues?

Which organization contracts with agents, if any, that represent Self? that represent KU?

Which organization contracts with marketing and public relations firms to promote KU basketball and to manage public relation issues in media?

Which organization contracts with the souvenir and apparel firms?

Which organization contracts with the NCAA and receives TV revenues and Tournament revenues?

Which organization has legal liability for Self's and Zenger's actions in behalf of KU basketball?

Which organization would be a victim of Self's and Zenger's actions in behalf of KU basketball, if found inappropriate?

Which organization would be a victim of the actions of petroshoeco executives actions and players actions and assistant coaches' actions involving pay to channel players to KU, if such were found to have occurred?

Which organization is a member institution of the NCAA by virtue of its legal relationship to KU?

Which organization owns the land under the athletic facilities?

Which organization owns the buildings?

Which organization lets the construction contracts and management contracts related to athletic infrastructure and building and lands.

Are the two organizations contracted with each other in any activities.

Is either organization liable for the actions of the other?

Are officials of KUAD and the University of Kansas on the board of Kansas Athletics, Inc, and if so, do they hold a voting majority on the board of Kansas Athletics, Inc.?

Is the Board of Regents, University of Kansas, and/or KUAD legally authorized to exercise oversight, managerial personnel selection, and disciplinary enforcement regarding that management and its activites regarding Kansas Athletics, Inc.?

I hope you, or someone else, has the knowledge and time to answer these questions for all the board rats here, because it would greatly enhance our abilities to understand what may be going on.

Thanks in advance.

And Rock Chalk!