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whats up with Vick? • Jun 04, 2015 09:02 AM

@Texas-Hawk-10

Not selling! 😀

In the 8 stack program era era that started this past season, KU isn't a ring contender without a footer and without an equivalent replacement for Oubre, and with 6-9 no offense Diallo and 6-10 no offense Lucas manning the post. If opponents teed off on Perry last season, he may not make it through the front nine this year.

The logic goes like this: how can they be net better when they have lost more than they gained? They lost two OADs and recruited one. They lost BG--a junior to rehab-- for part of a season and gained Vick, a reclassifying frosh no higher ranked than BG was. They have no one that can guard a footer, nor a two footer rotation. They have no one that can guard a draft choice three.

KU this season is a B12 contenduh, not a ring contenduh?

They lost more than they gained unless Svi does a supernova.

whats up with Vick? • Jun 03, 2015 09:38 PM

@Statmachine

Nothing really. I am just addressing the portion of the thread relating to Chukwu. Vick doesn't really matter much except for this season. Self failed to get an Oubre replacement and BG got a tough surgery, so Self needs a warm body and LB helped us out it appears. But the adidas conveyor will likely bring us someone better than Vick by next year, unless the adidas conveyor is truly broken.

You see there are always exceptions to rules.

Wiggins was an exception to the rule that long time Nike leans generally are not turned to adidas. And Jaylen Brown is an exception to the rule that adidas leans are not generally turned to Nike.

But the tendency weighs in over time. Next season, the adidas conveyor is likely to spit out a perimeter player better than Vick at 130 whatever that Vick is ranked. Vick could easily be a transfer next season, because of an OAD, and other returning players, or perhaps not if he improves mightily in weight, strength, and skill this coming season.

My argument here is that Vick and Chuckwu are basically independent of each other.

Chuckwu is basically independent of everyone on the team returning and coming in new.

He is the only footer we believe is available to us that could play not this season but next.

We have no reason to believe that KU is going to switch to Nike and so become a stack school. And we have no reason to think that adidas has a enough footers available for next year for Self to get one. If adidas has such a player lined up for Self, well that's one and he really needs two or more, unless one is a Stretch 5 a la Kaminsky. But the point is that Self will try to sign Chuckwu even if adidas has a footer bun in the oven for him.

Footers are that necessary to winning 80 percent of your games.

Because teams have to have footers in the stack era, and because Chuckwu is available now, he has to be taken, if he wants to play for KU.

Self has fallen from stratospheric winning levels of 82% to human levels of 7os percent the last two years.

He can't just go back to the type of talent he used to get his first eight years, because there weren't footer stacks in those days.

Now he has to get himself some footers every year if he's going to get back up to the sweet spot of 82 percent.

Or he's got to drastically soften the schedule and accept never getting to the Final Four.

The man plays to win.

He's going to find a way to get his footers.

It may take him a couple of years to find the crack in the door, but if its there, he will find it.

whats up with Vick? • Jun 03, 2015 09:07 PM

@Texas-Hawk-10

It is not a flaw at all IMHO.

The two seasons you cite are irrelevant.

Things have changed.

There are tipping points in everything.

There is a tipping point for how many footers and other talent are required to overwhelm opponents with footers, just as there might be tipping points in how many 450 pound linemen it will take on how many NFL teams one day to turn all of the Super Bowl winners into teams with 450 pound lineman.

Stacking is a quantitative phenomenon occurring within a dynamic game space in which equilibrium strategy keeps altering based on the changing distribution of footers and complementary talent.

Stacking one team with only six great talents at UK did it in 2012.

But we are witnessing narrowing talent distributions that reduce the number of teams that can seriously compete to those with stacking currency, if you will, in this case footers.

Repeating the stack with Nerlen Noels didn't get it done the next season, so the stacking was increased and focused on footer redundancy, because Nerlen Noels injury proved that complementary talent could not compensate for catastrophic injury. Embiid's injury proved the same thing for KU.

The system learns. Its a feedback loop. And it has some facets of rational expectations theory; that is there is some inflation of expectation of what it takes to keep getting the same benefit stacking year after stacking year.

There will always be statistical anomalies under any equilibrium strategy, but you have to face the reality that eight of the top ten teams were multi-footer stacks last season and two of the Final Four teams were multi-footer stacks and one had the new Stretch Five Footer, while only one was footerless--MSU--and it got manhandled even though it had the only kind of a coach playing the only kind of style that might be able to be a multi footer stack, other than my idea of shooting 80-90 percent of one's field goal attempts as treys, which with a 30 second shot clock will become even more feasible to do. But coaches are very slow to take risk. They are highly paid and so risk averse, and so prefer the rigged formula of skewed distribution of footers by Big Shoe-Agent conveyor systems than trying radical new offensive solutions. They know that even if they come up with a better offensive mouse trap, as Self did this past season with Bad Ball, that the refs will intervene and make sure it does not prevail. So the only rational move for coaches is to try to get in on the stacking process and the equilibrium strategy so far for stacking is no more than eight stacks. All these adidas coaches appear to be marking time trying to win conference titles, knowing they likely can't win a ring anymore, in hopes of hanging around long enough for the powers that be to informally institute a more broadly distributed talent stacking array. Some of them get impatient and give up, like Donovan. Some of the decide its apparently time to switch sides, like Cuonzo. Some of them like Self try to augment the adidas talent with with off-shores and transfers and diamonds in the rough. Self is such a great coach he can keep eeking out conference titles that keep the fans content, while he looks secret passages and little harbors that the blockade hasn't sealed off.

In the years you cite to try to make your case, you fail to point out that there were not 8 multi-footer stacks in those years, so those years are relevant only if you argue that the era of multi footer stacks of eight are the future.

What appears to be happening is that the system is still oscillating through equilibrium strategies looking for the optimal way to dominate the Final Four AND ensure sufficient talent at the right number of teams to create the statistically probable level of stack dominance to achieve optimum gambling revenues and optimum branding of players at stack programs, which designed Final Fours will enable.

We may see the model reequilibrate at ten stacks of 3 footer per stack, or we may see the model reequilibrate at 12 stacks at two footers per stack, or even three stacks of four footers and an OAD point guard.

The system is a feed back loop that is reconciling the dynamics of shoe branding, gambling, and viewing audience; that is what is my hypothesis of what is going on and your argument is not refuting it. It is just selectively slicing time series data and leaving out shifting equilibrium distributions of talent and and strategy of the feed back loop with the incentive systems that are in place.

Of course, all of the above is hypothesis and speculation.

Rock Chalk!!!

Calling the Drake Group. Come in, Drake Group.

Okay Charlie Brown, hit it! • Jun 03, 2015 03:02 PM

I vote for Perry going an an academic scholarship and marketing his image consistent with the Ed OBannon case and so having books and tuition paid for by the academic ride and him making enough off marketing his image to buy his own house fronting on a fairway at Alvamar for room and board his senior year.

😀

whats up with Vick? • Jun 03, 2015 02:52 PM

@BeddieKU23

There are just 8 reasons: the eight teams in the top ten at the end of the season with footers and good perimeter players.

And three of them ruled to the Final Four.

And MSU proved that STACKING has progressed to a point that UCONN's ring was the end of something, not the start.

Caption: "I call this shot a dunk, James. It will change the game. The tall boys will be able to do it with the basket at ten feet. Watch out. The basket could splinter."

whats up with Vick? • Jun 03, 2015 01:11 PM

Chukwu is 7.

By definition he is necessary.

That he runs the floor, jumps and looks like he gets the game means he brings something KU lacks.

Coleby had to be signed too. Coleby covers not signing a footer that can play now. And he creates so many 4s filling at 5 that if Chukwu will commit, Self can flush someone, or med red BG and leave the toilet spring alone. Coleby is zero threat to Chukwu. Coleby was a no brainer.

And LaGerrie isn't strong enough to impact, or guard much, once the B12 starts. LaGerrie is just back up insurance in an emergency.

Frankly, Self has crapped out recruiting the team's two immediate needs: a footer and a 3 that can replace Oubre.

He signed what he could get, because he couldn't sign what was needed.

Lots of pieces are not the same as the needed pieces.

But if he can still sign Chukwu, at least he'll have the pieces the next year.

Diallo/Bragg with a year's experience would complement Chukwu/Coleby/Lucas well.

There is no way around the need for a footer.

Self may not get Chukwu, but he is no dummy. He knows he needs him badly and he is hanging in to the bitter end.

And unless Diallo learns to shoot, he is a 2 year guy on skills and height, despite the hype.

whats up with Vick? • Jun 03, 2015 09:36 AM

Teams require puzzle pieces.

To play for rings they need all the pieces for matchups they are likely to meet in a final four full of footers.

Thus one or more to footers are necessary pieces.

Chukwu, a footer, is a must get.

Self can't sign 5 star footers in the stack era, because of the embargo by asymmetric stacking.

No one can win a ring moving forward without a footer, because 2 and often three of the Final Four will be footer stacks, and so they will beat you unless Self can match up with at least one footer of his own to go with Self's counter punching reliance on stretch 4s.

Chukwu has to be signed now because Self might not get another good chance at a footer for a few years. It's ugly, but Self has to run whomever that he can best do without this season.

Without a footer, with green bigs like Diallo and Bragg, with Coleby just another 4, with BG in rehab limbo, and with weak returning bigs, KU can win another B12, but has slim chance of a ring. Period.

With Chukwu and what Self will return the following season, and the two Adidas 4-5 stars that conveyor brings, KU can play for a ring for one and maybe two seasons.

Vick only matters this season. If he can't play this season, the Adidas conveyor can bring some one better than him next season. It is harder to embargo perimeter players, because there are so many.

Failing to sign Chukwu now means not only not having all the pieces this season, but likely for three seasons. Three seasons is an eternity in D1.

Coleby was just stop gap insurance for this season and next for Nike reaching out and touching Chukwu.

The only logical reasons for Chukwu and Vick delaying are if: a) sanctions for Cliff are brewing; or b) Fratello/Hill have a foreign footer that is newly thinking about coming to KU to play this season.

Otherwise, this is HITCHCOCK'S LIFEBOAT and one or more get life jackets and put overboard.

Guys get cut in highschool try-outs.

Guys get run in D1.

Always have.

Always will

Self has done better than most at helping place the displaced.

New Big Man On The Radar • May 29, 2015 05:44 PM

@Statmachine

Bill seems to take this apparent Big Shoe big man asymmetry aka "blockade" seriously at last.

It is like he is stocking the hold of a privateer with anything he can grab regardless of what year they will become available, because he knows most of the main ports of call are closed to him.

No more waiting around for HIGH QUALITY from either the adidas, or Nike, convoy systems.

Good move on Captain Bill's part.

Calipari's reputed apparent willingness to pursue adidas recruits up stream, plus the growing apparent Nike stack archipelago, (Nike UK, Nike Duke, Nike LSU, Nike UA, and Nike Cal-Berkeley)" plus the ongoing siege of Fort Chapel Hill (Nike Jordan), plus the bail out of "right way guy" Donovan from Nike Florida and possible bail out of "right way guy" Fred from ISU, suggests that big men available to adidas programs may become scarcer than invitations to British privateers to attend gala Habsburg balls in Castillian Spain during the Age of Discovery and Age of Colonization!!!

Increasingly, it looks like KU and other adidas programs may be living through a big man blockade and Coach Self and other adidas coaches may be moving into blockade running mode. We may have to nick name Coach Self one of the following: Captain Jacque L' Self, or Crimson and Blue Beard, or Captain William Kidd, or Captain Rhett Selfer.

Instead of using a fast ship for a privateer, he is flying in Cessna Citations, etc. With all this blockade running with players across water (Great Lakes, or the oceans) , it may be time to get him a Grumman Albatross, or a DeHavilland Otter, or something like the high mucky mucks wisely fearing maintenance induced emergency landings at sea sometimes use.

The apparent big man blockade appears to be "runnable" with certain foreign players for reasons not yet apparent.

Embiid.
Diallo.

Also with a few transfers.

Mickelson.
Coleby?
Chukwu?

Chukwu seems an ideal candidate for blockade running because he is reputedly a transfer AND a foreign player.

Hmmmmm.

In times of imperial oppression of free trade, sometimes privateering becomes necessary. Our founders resorted to it in a big way, when dealing with Crown of Great Britain and the vascillating British Parliament. Many of those privateers became the first heroes of our country.

Run the apparent blockade for the crimson and blue.

Go, Bill, go!!!!

@drgnslayr

Howling!

Mock Burial of Fred to be announced soon!

@jaybate-1.0

Issue just resolved by changing browsers, log in/log out, and return to original browser.

Add for naughty cookie diaries. :-)

@approxinfinity

Been away for a week and find that the web site screen portrays me as logged out, but I have full access, as if I were logged in!

And I cannot log out. :confounded:

Things seemed to work okay after your recent migration to latest nodeBB. But there appears to be a bug.

@drgnslayr

Interesting.

@drgnslayr

I realize that sounded a bit flip, and I did not mean it to.

My hypothesis is that the convergence of part of the Big Shoe-Agent complex with Drake Group advocacy, the assistant coaches association and the new African American head coaches association advocacy, and the Ed Obannon case have finally made recruiting too difficult for many, many head coaches not on the inside of this new power network controlling talent flow into and out of D1. A tipping point may have been reached on who can and cannot reasonably gamble on a long term head coaching career.

I suspect the handwriting is on the wall now that you have to be on the inside, or have a top assistant being groomed to replace you on the inside, of the new power network, or successful recruiting will not remain feasible, unless you are already at a power program and with an elaborate legacy recruiting network. New coaches to D1 are either on the inside of the new power network, or they probably have to think about moving on if an opportunity presents itself.

Head coaching arrivals like Johnny Jones at LSU and Cuonzo Martin at Cal, each lavished suddenly with big time talent, despite not having prior records consistent with attracting such top talent, are what this new power network are producing.

Head coaching departures like Donovan may be partly the other result of this new power network.

Fred might fall under this category of departures, if he in fact departs, unless he is willing to hire another assistant from the emerging power network. Perhaps Fred was comfortable with the assistant he had that left for St. John's, but cannot find another assistant from the emerging power network that he is comfortable with.

Also, Fred's health and the recruiting assistant issue may combine to make college coaching AND recruiting even more strenuous than NBA coaching alone. Or maybe Fred is trying to become an NBA GM that does not have to travel so much. Or maybe Fred's health has made him decide he has to amass some quick money in an NBA contract to take care of his family NOW.

Very hard to say from the outside looking in. Health problems cause lots of subtle and not so subtle trade offs to have to be considered.

Rock Chalk!

@drgnslayr

I have never read how MJ's interest is structured with Air Jordan. But my speculative guess would be that his power within Air Jordan and Nike has been based heavily on the power he holds over his own Brand (his ability to project himself onto the brand positively, or negatively, and take himself away from it, rather than much direct participatory control over the Air Jordan brand. By this I mean, so long as he was a legend in the minds of youth and adults, Nike had to respect his wishes and the legacy relationships that were involved. However, now that MJ is an aging baby boomer and his star power is beginning to recede domestically, but even more globally, with time, there may be a very strong desire for clearing the legacy relationships and exceptionalist nature of the Nike-Jordan and Nike UNC linkages within NIke. But again, the above is all specualation and we are in need of some serious investigative journalists to wade into this for us book buying fans.

IMHO, to see through the media veil of what appears to be going on at UNC, it appears one would have to track back to the time when Sonny Vaccaro, MJ, Dean and (to much lesser degree) Roy apparently created the relationship prototype for the college sports, inc., athletic department in basketball and its contractual partnership with Big Shoe, at UNC; then track forward to certain key moments in the geneology: Sonny's departure from Nike, the whole reputed Sonny/George Reveling dog fight, the demand for an Air Jordan brand under the Nike umbrella, then the organizational crisis that appeared to cause aging, possible founding architect of it all, Dean, to bring back Roy to Chapel Hill apparently not only to right the basketball program, but in retrospect apparently to perpetuate the autonomy of the whole UNCAD/Nike-Jordan complex in the apparent face of both a fractious university administration and faculty and a perhaps aggressive Nike-Nike strategy under Raveling, who has since appeared to lavish a lot of luv first on Nike UK and Nike Cal, and then on UNC arch rival Nike Duke and Nike Coach K.

Who knows for sure, but perhaps only Roy could have been trusted by all legacy parties to have done the job at UNC; but this old Big Shoe world kept on turning and so one would then need to scroll forward to the seemingly contrived timing of Easy Classgate; then add in the emergent roll of the Drake Group, and then the emergence of the new African American head basketball coaching association formed outside the NCAA recently. If one were to do so, I suspect things would all come as darkly clear as the tinted glass in a black Escalade of a player than has just signed an endorsement deal to go along with his NBA contract.

Or so it seems to me speculating and opining, as usual, without insider knowledge and as a lay man sports fan reading the internet intermittently just like the rest of the board rats here and around the world.

Rock Chalk!

@drgnslayr

Because he knows he can't recruit.

What if Nike-Jordan bought out Nike-Nike?

I need a puke bucket... • May 24, 2015 01:29 PM

The rule in regime change is create the agent of regime change and then, when change has come, clear the agent from your wake. There are no exceptions.

Nike-Jordan, Nike-Jordan Roy and Nike-Jordan UNC appear possible weak links in the Nike-Nike force structure. They appear a petro shoe tail that can wag a petro shoe dog. Hypothesis: such internal power anomalies cannot be permitted to go on indefinitely.

Someone apparently REALLY wants to be in control of picking the next coach at Nike-Jordan UNC.

"Mistah Kurtz, he dead."--Joseph Conrad's "Heart of Darkness"

"Your mission is to proceed up the Nung River..." --Francis Coppola's "Apocalypse Now"

@drgnslayr

Health wise, Fred almost has to stay put.

But Fred apparently lost the only recruiter he had that could bring in talent to ISU; that guy is at St. John's now.

Heck yes Fred would seriously consider an offer from the L!!

@Lulufulu

It looks like the new game is to lock up Nike players earlier and earlier, and target adidas players for turning them to Nike earlier and earlier.

That LSU stack inside the SEC maybe makes a the point that Cal has to do better with the stacks he's been getting.

Hypothesis: you want to keep getting stacks, when you can't win rings with them, well, then you're going to have to go out and turn some adidas players.

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@HighEliteMajor said:

would a true center like Chukwu on the roster compromise our ability to land Marques Bolden?

No.:two_men_holding_hands: :two_men_holding_hands:

This is the international emoji for four footers.

Duke Nukem?

Step aside.

Here comes...

Chuke Wukem!!!

Sign now and I won't make any Blaise Pascal references, okay, big guy?

The team has serious chops if Self signs this guy.

Nic Moore from SMU to join us for the WUG • May 22, 2015 05:03 AM

KU = adidas.

SMU = adidas.

SMU gives KU a recruit plus an all conference player for the WUG.

Why can't adidas Rick Pitino from adidas Louisville give adidas-Bill Self and adidas KU one of his footers for the WUG?

Or maybe adidas Steve Alford and adidas UCLA has a post man?

Edit function bug • May 20, 2015 03:00 PM

Can get into edit mode and make change but it will not recognize and post the edit.

What ??

Chuckwu pronunciation request • May 20, 2015 02:49 PM

How do we pronounce this footers name!? Sofas on a mission! We've got to help them with the correct pronunciation! Kudos to @KansasComet for predicting self would never rest until he filled the larder!!

@Blown

Maybe Self will invite Big Forehead to join his bench coaches?

TIC!

She gets too hungry, for dinner at eight (I am starving)

She loves the Chandler, but she never comes late

I never bother, with actors that I hate

That's why this lady is a Hawk

She doesn't like crap games, with directors named Earl

Won't go to Venice, in fake leopard and pearls

And I definitely won't dish out dirt, with any Judd girls (Thank you)

That's why the lady is a Hawk

I love the free, fresh wind in my hair

Ball without care,

Oh I'm so broke (it's old)
I
hate California, it's so crowded and all talk

That's why the lady is a Hawk (I am a Hawk)

Sometimes I go to Catalina Island (oh the harbor is divine)

And I love the Dodgers ( Mattingly's just fine)

Don't just follow Rogers and Hart (she'll sing whatever rhymes)

That's why the lady is a Hawk

I love a prizefight

That isn't a fake (no fakes)

And I love a row boat with you and your wife on Potters lake

She goes to AFH and stays wide awake (yes, I do)

That's why this lady is a Hawk

She likes the three (three) stripes (stripes) on adidas shoes

What can I lose, 'cause I got no dough (oh no?)

I'm all alone when I lower my socks

That's why the lady is a Hawk, go!

I love your free fresh, I love your handkerchief in my hair

Ball without care,

Oh I'm so broke (that's old)

Hates California, it's so cold and all talk

That's why the lady is a Hawk

That's why this lady is a Hawk

That's why the lady is a Hawk

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Special thanks to The Lady and Mr. Bennett--the guy that still has the best pipes in the business!!!!!

Terrance Ferguson • May 18, 2015 09:08 PM

@VailHawk

Good question.

I'll answer Hudy. :-)

Terrance Ferguson • May 18, 2015 09:07 PM

@drgnslayr

Don't you mean Oreos?

Terrance Ferguson • May 18, 2015 06:58 PM

Several thoughts occurred to me beyond Terrance being a good prospect.

  1. He is yet another phenomenally skinny recruit.

  2. Every guy in this mash up looks VERY skinny.

  3. If America is caught up in an obesity epidemic, either it has not yet hit basketball players, or the epidemic is over.

  4. The skinniness of the legs is what is really noteworthy--toothpick and pipe cleaner legs on most of the players in this mash up.

  5. It is fascinating to watch how much less intense these young players play than D1 players.

  6. About the only time Terrance takes it out of low gear is to dunk--the rest of the time he is barely jumping and loping along. And he is playing just as hard as everyone else.

  7. I am not sure why talented players of the height of Terrance are told to shoot these near set shots from three point range, when they will NEVER get to shoot that shot in D1, or the NBA, if they get that far.

  8. It is really fascinating to see how much better these D1 high grade recruits are than the rest of the guys playing in the game.

Terrance Ferguson • May 18, 2015 04:09 PM

Does the pronunciation rhyme with Jerrance?

If KSU went to a committee at interim hair head coach of Helmet Hair Weber, Comb Back Lavin and Comb Over Keady, they would have in aggregate about 1 whole interim hair head coach! :neckbeard:

Bleacher Report says... • May 18, 2015 03:35 AM

Maybe LaGerald should LaWait for 2016? He is pretty slender.

@approxinfinity

So far so good.

New Rules changes • May 16, 2015 11:38 AM

The NCAA does not have a rules problem. It has a rules enforcement problem. Until symmetric refereeing is restored, it is impossible to predict the impact of rules changes.

@Crimsonorblue22

Diallo and Bragg starting and moving Perry seems improbable for 6-8 freshman bigs. Remember Perry as a freshman big at 6-8?

But it's not impossible! 🙏

@Kcmatt7
Thanks for defending Svi. He seems a talent who will blossom in time. I gave him my highest praise, when first seeing him play by saying he had Larry Bird level talent. Bird got overwhelmed by Knight at Indiana and went home. Svi stuck it out. Svi could be a fine player if he were a fine shooter. Because he does a lot of good things with the ball and will eventually learn to guard. But he will need this year to get there. I see him being a draft choice in two season, assuming he proves he can shoot 40% from trey. Oubré was a draft choice last season--a cornerstone guy. Svi has to get good before great.

Sending a big thank you to all those covering recruiting for us. I used to not like recruiting gossip, but it seems like @statmachine and @truehawk93 and @konkyDong and @JayHawkFanToo and @Crinsonorblue22 and @wrwlumpy and several others that my cell phone is preventing me from naming have combined to find a new way of covering recruiting that makes it all interesting, connective and more investigative!!!!!

Sleuth on!

Thanks!

Which Guard? • May 12, 2015 03:11 AM

Kobie Eubanks could help us 10-15 mpg next year in matching up with 3 and 4 guard offenses. And he could let Selden swing 2/3 and keep Frank and Devonte from having to play mega minutes.

LaGerald Vick seems two years away.

But these feeds may no-show Vick at his best.

@HighEliteMajor

Not giddy at all. Pretty accurate iand insightful in most ways about who we have coming back as usual.

Perimeter rotation players have to contribute the following:

shoot the trey
drive it
guard 6-3 and unders
guard 6-4 and overs.
rebound 4-5 per game
make the entry pass
protect

To make the High Low work best you need three trey ball threats on the floor at all times.

To guard all the possible match-ups you need three 6-3 and unders and 3 6-5 and overs.

That is six players.

You only play these six a lot until January 15, or February. after that the bench shortens and they only play situationally when you need three 6-3 and under, or three 6-4 and over, or various combinations in between.

We have two of the three 6-3 and unders needed: Frank and Devonte.

We have three of the three 6-5 and overs needed: Selden, Brannen, Svi,

Thus we are shy a 6-3 and under.

And we are shy (so far) of a 3 that can do all the things that a 3 should do: shoot the trey at 40%, drive it,entry pass it, and protect against either a 6-3 and under, or against a 6-4 and over.

Neither problem on its own is insurmountable, but together they compound.

Guys like Rush, Henry and Oubre are crucial to being able to get away with shortcomings at the 1 and 2, and they are crucial to dealing with defensive and trey ball needs.

6-4 Travis Releford, as much as I loved him and respected his game, was always a potential weakness when a Rush, Henry, Kidd-Gilchrist or Oubre (RHKO) type showed up. A 1 and a 2 can get away with up and under against longer types, when they've got the safety blanket of the RKHO type that can help and even switch off in a pinch, or sometimes for a half. Travis could not do that and he was in my estimation the best 6-4 3 KU has ever had.

So why do we need a 6-3 and under guy that can play, when our problem is a lack of an RKHO type 3?

Because...since we didn't sign a great 3 to replace Oubre, we will have to committee the three with Selden some, plus Greene and Svi. And the committee may even have to use to Perry there some also. But the bulk of it is going to have to get done by Greene and Svi.

And Greene and Svi are more shooting guards in their development so far.

And neither so far has a full tool box.

And when the wear and tear, reported injury. and the unreported operable injury feed in, without the six man, we are going to be in worse shape than last season, because we aren't going to have an Oubre grade threat.

This is why I so wanted either Ingram, or Brown, to sign with KU, at the 3,or to get Malik to sign at the 2.

If Self picks up that 2 that can play some now, then he can afford to commit Selden, Svi and Green to committee the three and hope one separates into something solid, or even special.

And he can ride out the injuries, wherever they hit on the perimeter.

@JayHawkFanToo

You are so right that they are calling these footers anything they want to be called and the guys want to be called forwards and forward centers in hopes of not having to be full time rebounders and enforcers in the L. It is a smart move from a career longevity stand point to try to avoid the roles that shorten a career the most.

But in the end terminology is unimportant. Shell shock became battle fatigue. And battle fatigue became post traumatic stress syndrome. But the they describe the same activity. If you are a big that can shoot the NBA trey you get to play Robert Horry forward and Dirk Nowitsky forward center. But most of the footers can't pot the triceratop, or put it on the deck ambidextrously , so, even if it becomes fashionable to call them LONG GUARD's next, most are going to be gutting it out around the paint for a living.

And again, the reality is that two teams with four near footers reached the Final Four and a third relied on a stretch 5 footer.

The one team, MSU, that lacked height looked pathetically outmatched.

Height still rules inside.

And the trend is going to continue. Overtime there is a drought of dominant footers for a few years, the 6-9 guys rush into the void. But as soon as the footers come back in numbers, they inevitably take the game back.

There is no way around it.

Virginia to me represents the most interesting case of size matters. Bennet could not get his hands on any near footers so he tried another smart approach. He put seven or eight 6-8 in his rotation. It worked pretty well until he ran into some teams that could match his 6-8 guys plus throw near footers and trey balling at him; then they came up a day late and a Federal Reserve Debt Note short.

There is a reason the NBA drafts size from all over the world.

The future of footers in the NBA and in college is going to be a bifurcation between those that can shoot the trey and those that can pass in the post the way Kanowski did for Gonzaga.

I really think the only innovation Self has not been in the vanguard of during his tenure at KU is Mark Few reinventing the passing big man game. That was the biggest innovation of the season last year. The passing big man is the absolute best weapon in drive ball and motion the the rim ball.

Just as we saw Self appropriated XTreme Cheap Shotting from Coach K when he won a ring with it, and appropriated drive ball from Bo Ryan last season after Bo had had such success with it the year before, I suspect Self will appropriated the passing big man offense that Mark Few had his bigs doing so well this past season. This will fit really well with the Carollina Passing offense, if Self will teach his bigs to pass this off season.

Which Guard? • May 11, 2015 10:31 PM

@jayballer54

When did Kobie surface?

@JayHawkFanToo

On second thought, let's just hope you're right. :-)

Offseason is too long • May 11, 2015 06:36 PM

@wissoxfan83

I know you are thinking about self-immolating like a Buddhist monk in Vietnam to protest the length of season, but don't do it!!!!!

It did not alter the outcome of Vietnam.

And it will not alter the length of the off season.

Instead, think of beautiful women and great food and a fast boat set up for getting out to the fish... !s21ctop.jpg ↗ and back in a hurry!!!!!

:-)

@JayHawkFanToo

I so hope you are right, but here is why I have my doubts that you are.

The three point shooting stats you list appear to me to reflect not what these shooters can make when relied on for an entire season, but what they can make after their first hot streak and right up to the point that practice and game shooting indicates it is time for Self to pull the plug before the slump drags the team into losses. Self has a track record the last several seasons at least of electing NOT to let shooters shoot their way out of slumps. From the start of seasons, KU shooters get tested and tested until they get hot; then they are allowed to shoot a lot of treys until their slump starts, and then at that time forwards they are tested and tested to see if their slum has ended. If you think about this technique of Self's it almost guaranties that a shooter is never going to shoot his way out of a major slump the rest of a season, because the testing and pulling procedure ensures it takes many, many games to ever begin to shooting back to one's average; i.e., come out of a slump.

So: these KU player shooting stats do not quite mean what they appear to mean on many other teams. All teams I played on growing up and most coaches I have observed have tended to let three point shooters keep shooting for an entire season, as if it were their designated job hot or cold. Self does not really do that. Self let's players shoot a lot when they are hot and not when they are not. This puffs up (biases) their shooting percentages
and makes them look better than they are.

Wayne likely would have been low 30s, or worse without this treatment.

I suspect Mason will shoot back to his average next season. KU has had a number of trifectates have one exemplary shooting percentage season followed by a significant fall off.

I suspect Graham's percentage would fall significantly, if he were allowed to shoot more this season, which he probably will do since he will probably play more.

Ellis 3pt percentage would likely fall if he were asked to shoot as many treys all season as he did during his hot streak the second half of the season.

Greene we have warm and fuzzy feelings about, and rightly so, I believe, because he managed 40.4% on an operable hip. If his hip heals and his pop returns, and his one-legged shooting hop goes away, then we could expect a 45% season could be in his grasp. But will he get his pop back?

And where as you pinpoint the problem of three point shooting to Self not being willing, or perhaps able, to devise and run action to get good shots for players, and/or limited players that cannot create their own shots, I see shooters that are plenty athletic to create shots off action, and to take open looks either one. Brannen Greene is 6-7 and a decent dribbler certainly by the second half of last season. Probably half the threes he faces in D1 he could shoot over anytime he wanted simply due to his height (when his hip is not operable). Frank is super quick and can create a shot. Svi can create a shot at 6-8, but he cannot make them, as you rightly note. Devonte has the ambidexterity to create a shot any time.

Our players play for a coach who believes in using ball movement inside out and around the perimeter to create the open looks, because they are more open and easier to make, when the ball movement is effective. You and I and others think Self needs to creat more action to get looks, but this is what Self believes and IMHO anyway, not a problem of the player's lack of ability.

Quickness of shot release is a significant advantage. But so is great footwork enabling one to create some space. The greatest way to create a shot is being ambidextrous and a good dribbler, so that the defender can never overplay you to one hand for a drive and as a result has to lay off you farther to make sure you don't drive on him; this is the way great NBA perimeter players get those open looks. Because they can go either way, the defender is laying off a half step and so the offender only has to take a jab step and the NBA defender HAS to give ground instantly; then the offender with great springs no step jumps and drills a three. When the guy tightens on him the next possession he drives a shoulder into him and steps back and shoots and gets a foul too. This footwork and ambidexterity on the dribble is vastly more important than quick release. Just go out on a floor and practice with anyone and tell them to guard you close. If a player guards you close, it doesn't matter how quickly you pull the trigger they block it. Next ask him to sag off a little, then jab step on him and go straight up and don't worry about releasing quickly. You get it off every time. Basketball, if you have all the basic skills and fundamentals, is 90 percent footwork, same as tennis. Same as volley ball.

Now, about the 5.

8 of the top ten teams had incredible height last season. Eight teams come to mind in the NCAA tourney that had four near footers that I can recall: Duke, UK, UA, Louisville, Utah, Zaga and even lowly New Mexico State.

It was telling that Virginia which had EIGHT guys 6-8 could not really get it done in the Madness once the footer stacks were playing for all the marbles and pulling no punches; i.e., not saving anything. Even eight 6-8 guys on a team were not up to the four footer challenge.

6 or 7 of the 8 teams had 4 footers each and one--UW--had Kaminsky--the game's first true stretch 5 footer in the last ten years.

Height inside is more important now than ever before, because all of the height is getting stacked at a hand full of schools.

Your example of Myles at Texas is a great example. Texas guarantied itself being a mediocre also ran by having him floating outside without the kind of trey ball that Kaminsky had. Myles was useless outside. Coaches and players will use what happened to Myles in recruiting and coaching for years. THAT is why you don't let near footers play the perimeter unless they really have the skills to do it, and then you are only letting them play out their intermittently, as Bo Ryan used Kaminsky.

Gotta have at least one footer to match up with one of the 4 footers on the other team, so that you can use your stretch 4 to pull their other footer starting away from the basket.

Height at center is more and more decisive in the game than ever IMHO. What is changing is how important it is for that footer to be like Nowitzki and Kaminsky; that is what is changing--the stretch 5 is going to replace the stretch 4 as the toughest person to guard on a court.

@HighEliteMajor

I still think Self realizes that had he tried to play the trey ball you and I wanted him to do, or play inside out b2b the way he likes to play the Carolina Passing Offense aka the High Low Passing Offense, that he would have finished waaaaaaaaaay worse than slightly above .500 and almost certainly would have lost the title, because of all the injuries that drove him out of his comfort zone and into not merely emulating parts of Bo Ryan Ball situationally, but going the full megillah and extending it into a 24/7/40 system of shrinking impact space, disruption end to end without stealing and blocking, plus the more conventional aspects of Bo's offense (the drive ball portions) that he appropriated that fall under the rubric of drive ball.

The dead give away that BAD BALL is here to stay is the success that so many teams had driving the ball throughout the tournament and the way UK and, most amazingly of all, Duke finally had to resort to drive ball to survive and advance, whenever the going got tough.

BAD BALL is drive ball gone systematic 24/7/40.

BAD BALL is drive ball on steroids and microwave mind control.

BAD BALL is like a bad dream that just keeps recurring. :-)

Only the referees can save us from BAD BALL.

I mean when Mr. NBA Outside-In Fred Holberg operating on about 3/4 heart capacity even resorts to BAD BALL to win down the stretch, the situation is now beyond reversing.

The early season we will see a lot of b2b practice games the first three weeks to see if Self can find anyone that can score that way. Against some cupcakes, it will look like some can. But against good teams it will look like they cannot. Part of working on the b2b game goes beyond turning and dunking on an angle, or hooking a leg around a defender and catching a pass and dunking it, or catching and shooting a turnaround. Part of it will also involve the posts practicing passing cross lane out of doubles and kicking out to wings for open look treys. Hence, a bit more work on the b2b, while hoisting more treys in kick outs to try to win games at .82, while getting Diallo and Bragg experience with speed and violence.

Against MSU and other good teams, we will see more driving and less Diallo and Bragg.

The key to remember is that in pre-con we will see the team continually adding and subtracting pieces, so that it starts conference with as full of a tool chest as feasible.

This will be less of a chore this season, because the perimeter players all pretty much know how to play with a full tool chest, so this season will revolve around teaching Diallo and Bragg as much as possible as soon as possible, under the assumption that Perry, Landen, Traylor and Mikelson know HOW to do things, whether or not they can do them well,.

So: to the undiscerning eye, it will look like Self is changing the offense to "play through" our bigs a whole lot more early in the season, and being longer and more athletic, Diallo and Bragg will look pretty good against the cup cakes, but when ever we have to win games the first half of the season, games will be won just as they were last season. Shoot the trey, defend the lead. Drive it. Defend the lead. Shrink the impact space. Disruption of rhythm. Bad Ball. And all without a great wing man like Kelly became during the middle of the season, and the withered away from due to the ever enlarging gauze ball on his knee down the stretch. But this is now and that was then to invert the cliche.

During the first half and during games with leads, we will play a classic high-low passing game as often as we can to teach Diallo and Bragg how to do it. Bad Ball will be played with the usual cast of Merrill's Marauders from last season minus Oubre--a big loss, unless Brannen and Svi REALLY man up.

Around late December, Self will make some assessments about what Diallo and Bragg can and cannot contribute during conference. What they can do will stay in. What they cannot do will be thrown out of the offense. Because we are dealing with freshman bigs that will have been poster children for child abuse by Ratso and his thugs after the MSU game, unless Self just keeps them out to be merciful, it will take a couple of cupcake games after MSU for Diallo and Bragg to get their balls grown back. So: as is usual for freshman bigs, there will be sharp ups and downs, and once a good coach sees them play a good team or two, then all their weaknesses will be schemed against and Self will have to sharply reduce what they are permitted to do.

In the big pic, Self will try to craft a traditional high low game that will involve rotations of Diallo, Bragg and Perry, and also a Bad Ball game that will involve rotations of Landen, Traylor and Perry. This will keep it simple for Diallo and Bragg only having to learn to play high-low, not Bad Ball, too. Starting mid to late January, depending on what Diallo and Bragg can learn, they will begin to be introduced into Bad Ball rotations, too. And as the competition toughens in B12 action, more drive ball will be the trend, rather than less.

As usual we will see some pretty good trey balling early when everyone's wheels are sound and legs are rested. And as usual, as the season wears on and the gauze balls and the Victor's Secret lingerie starts showing up on the knees of long ballers, and the tendons and ligaments of same, and they lose their elasticities, the trey balling will taper off because the shooting percentages will be falling in practice, where Self measures when to cut the 3ptas from the 15-20 per game range to the 10-15 range.

What should be a huge concern for @HighEliteMajor and me (the resident 3pt apostates) is that Self has signed no more perimeter players. This spells doom for sustaining 20 3ptas the last third of the season. Losing and not replacing Oubre means we actually have fewer legs to draw on to keep our perimeter rotation from losing its legs down the stretch. Oh, it will be deceptive the first month of January, when Self likes to let them shoot a lot of treys early in conference to steal the early road wins and assure the home wins, and get that early conference lead to begin defending end of January with 10-15 trey plus drive ball and cram it inside when we can.

I mean think about this perimeter situation. IF Devonte doesn't have to spell Wayne so much, and can spell Frank more; AND IF Wayne learn to be consistent; AND IF Brannen gets his pop back; AND IF Svi learns to guard and shoot and drive as well as Kelly; THEN this perimeter still will be one injury away from the same lack of depth that forced Self to wear legs out of Frank. And we all know one perimeter injury ALMOST ALWAYS happens. And we know one UNREPORTED OPERABLE perimeter injury always happens. SO: SELF HAS TO SIGN ANOHER PERIMETER PLAYER THAT CAN ACTUALLY PLAY A LITTLE TO KEEP FROM BEING WEAKER ON THE PERIMETER NEXT SEASON THAN LAST SEASON.

And if Self does not sign another 3, then we will see a lot of trey balling early in conference to get as much juice out of trey balling as he can before the injuries and wear and tear accumulate and he has to come up with another mumbo jumbo explanation for fans about why the three point shooting has to be reigned back in again down the stretch.

I mean, last season Self told everyone that three point shooting was "fools gold" and the team had to learn to play a new version of inside out called driving it from outside fro all positions to get the equivalent of an inside shot aka BAD BALL with Mobile Big Man Attack Platforms in lieu of b2b bigs.

Um, why did he call it fool's gold, after he had just used 20-25 3pta trey balling to steal an early conference lead? Because...his trey ballers by then were starting to look like the flipping MUMMY from the waist down and Brannen wa playing on an operable hip injury; that's why!!!!

Self could not very well hold an presser and tell the fans and opposing coaches: "Well, Frank's legs are toast,, Brannen's hip is operable, Oubre's knee is injured AGAIN, and Devonte gets sped up and roughed up, and so we really don't have anyone that can hit the broad side of a barn from 19-9 away, so we are going to cut our 3ptas to 10-15 per game and start driving it all the time." That would have been giving away the plan a bit too much, wouldn't it? Self HAD to come up "fool's gold" for the KU fans especially, because he knew they would begin excreting rectilinear masonry forms during the coming games, if they didn't have some psy-ops jibberish to focus on in the short term, while KU began playing BAD BALL.

All signs point to more BAD BALL the last third of the season unless:

1.) two skinny freshmen 4s learn to dominate from the five;

2.) Self signs another perimeter player that can play 15-20 mpg at 2-3; and

3.) the refs start penalizing drive ball instead of rewarding it.

The chances of the above three things converging by next February 1st seem similar to the probability of Jeb Bush turning on the Saudis; offering all the oil under Yemen (note: there's reputedly enough oil under Yemen alone to supply the entire world for 50 years) to the Chinese; and telling the North Koreans that they and they alone are entitled to all the oil off North Korea.

Of course, there is one other possibility that could reduce the likelihood of defaulting decisively into drive ball down the stretch. Self could sign a footer that can step in and score b2b.

But this likelihood seems almost as improbable as Hilary Clinton admitting that she has always been, a reputed neocon plant in the Democratic Party; that she was a member of the Young Republicans during undergraduate school and law school, and that she worked as a volunteer for the Republican legal team trying to save the Republican's and Richard Nixon's bacon during Watergate, while she runs as Democratic candidate for President against Jeb Bush. And this IMHO is VERY improbable.

So: in terms of probabilities--batetradamus foresees a very experimental first half of the season coming in which everyone's hopes and dreams will be fulfilled briefly from game to game, and then down the stretch of the season batetradamus foresees another ascent of Bad Ball.

The biggest question for KU: did the B12 schools add many true 5s that can score b2b? If the answer were yes, then KU could be in for a rough ride. KU lucked out last season. Last season the Big 12 was a conference with almost no 5s and very few long 4s. Self could smoke and mirror and BAD BALL through his lack of a b2b 5. I haven't kept track of what the recruiting cat dragged into the B12. Does anyone else know?