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@FarmerJayhawk if by buying in you mean becoming a minimal offensive threat who just passes it around the perimeter and hardly looks to penetrate because he’s gotta run the offense or he’s yanked.....and playing less minutes when fully healthy than Harris.....

Yeah I stand by my claims he’s not adjusting/losing it and his ignorance that he had to “change” remy was an unfathomably bad decision

Self literally said per Sam Lance - I wish I played kj and Zach more early on.

He was the only guy on the planet not seeing that one straight.

Zach looks good against Msu our toughest comp all year under the bright lights of MSG and proceeds to never play real meaningful minutes when we got back to Lawrence.

He does this every year I get being “stubborn” but now I’m starting to think he’s losing it.

@drgnslayr Thanks for the response.

1) not trolling honest convo about the state of the program in regards to the ultimate goal each year as coaches/players everyone would say

2) What do you think of Boeheim? Self is version 2.0 great win percentage but only 1 title to his name. People talk about how difficult it is yet other coaches have 2 that people would say no way are better than Self and point at win percentage.

3) You’re right besides 2008 it’s been fun but never reaching the top sucks. That’s the ultimate goal Self would say and everyone else. I weight that more. Going 30-6 and beating up and 20 bad teams doesn’t impress me. Beating up on a bad big 12 bedsides 2-3 teams doesn’t impress me. Self hasn’t played his best players every year which is frustrating.

4) How many big 12 titles would you trade for 1-2 more ncaa titles? I’d trade 10 away. The streak is nice but if we were in the acc we wouldn’t have had it. It’s like Gonzaga is doing currently and not getting much respect. All of the sudden other big 12 teams do better in the ncaa and we might go a year or there now without winning the big 12 which doesn’t bother me if we excel in March.

5) Self isn’t adapting to the modern game and his defensive philosophy is brutal. The system he prioritizes over players versus the other way around. He for years plays lesser talented guys who know the system thus limiting the teams ceiling but also limiting the teams floor. We win a lot but not the big 12 and definitely not a title because of it.

6) This system is also effecting recruiting. Ask other guys in here or on TOS it’s well known in AAU circles how Self is. If I am Scott Drew I’m taking Akinjo at AU and showing how he’s allowed freedom at Baylor versus All American Remy and how he performed here. Self didn’t adapt his system to Remy and that was obvious as the first game Remy didn’t attempt the shot in a half. Same for additional games he isn’t looking to score and even get downhill it’s “run the offense don’t take a stupid shot Remy.”

7) This is not trolling but other coaches with better philosophies are getting big boy jobs. These coaches will win some Titles sooner as the game is changing. As Saban has learned he used to win 17-14 but now it’s 44-41. Have to adapt. With the best athletes we want MORE possessions not less. Win 81-78 not 52-49 (see Virginia if you want proof of that. They have 1 lucky title as many could say about us and then have some awful losses - worst in tourney and multiple awful ones every year due to their style ). Utilize your athletes and adjust the system not the other way around.

8) Stealing from poster on TOS regarding Self’s philosophy on O that’s poor and how awful we are on D with outdated philosophies. Self prioritized post feeders like Brady and praised him as the best player in the game often (similar to traylor or harris). Self builds up lower guys instead of building up our best players. It’s like Draymond Green having 8 boards 6 assists and Kerr saying he was the best player in the game. Unless he has a triple dub that is never said. He says Steph went off and did Steph things to carry us.

Instead of saying Harris was awesome with his 6 points, 2 steals and 3 assists ignoring his flops maybe encourage your horses (Och and Braun) and have a proper view of why you are winning and push to excel those players further that’s who will carry you.

“ NBA teams run way more pnr and pnp than post ups. We run way more post ups. So we either run outdated offense through our bigs or we don’t have talented enough bigs to run more modern offense with our bigs. It’s probably a little bit of both, but either way, it’s an issue on offense. Self wants to run post up offense through his bigs, even though they’re not even that great at it, and then compounds the issue by insisting on playing Harris all the time because he’s the best post feeder, despite the fact that he lacks offensive skill outside of that. It’s actually incredible we’ve been as good offensively as we have, but as I forecasted, it’s not sustainable because Agbaji and Braun couldn’t maintain their level of play.
This isn’t even the fundamental problem with our team, it’s just the one thing that everyone chose to take out of my post. The post offense is irrelevant because our defense is so bad. I also commented on that original post that Baylor is a much better defensive team than us. That’s the major issue and what will hold us back.”

Nothing like having a hall of fame coach but knowing some new blood with a new system would help jolt us back to life.

Unc, uk and potentially duke may be down these next 4-5 years. We need to rack up another title at least. If self goes another 3-4 years without one and if we do get to the final four we get blown out throwing it inside while the other team lights us up from deep and plays aggressive penetrating and kicking out for “inside out offense” then yeah self reflection would be nice.

@approxinfinity agreed....zero offense inside when Mitch isn’t going up against SFA and same for Dave.

Braun literally can’t disappear because Harris and Wilson neither can throw it in the ocean or score.

It leaves Ochai and that’s it with Braun. That’s what coach has pushed though with them carrying the load when many here saw Braun would come back down to earth it’s not sustainable.

@jayballer67 our players aren’t real quick laterally....ochai never has been because he can’t beat his man off the dribble and same for the rest of them. Harris is weak, David uncoordinated, jalen another slow laterally.

Only real quick athletes are remy (when he’s not hurt) pettiford and Joe

Porter Moser can coach

When you literally tell teams you are throwing it inside to start the game the first 3-4 possessions and you dont have Doke....you deserve to lose.

Self said when they had Dok they’d walk into every gym knowing they could beat anyone. We don’t have him now but still trying to get easy buckets the problem with the self logic is the buckets due to the bucketgetter aren’t easy because the player isn’t that good (yes, I stole a word from this site bucketeers or bucketgetter)

Players see our style and see the favoritism for worse players but they are older or “run the system”. Self is at fault because he is arrogant enough to think his system is what wins when in realty it has been and always will be the players.

@approxinfinity win percentage is nice but only one thing matters....titles
He no doubt wins regular season stuff but same titles as Scott Drew and about to be passed in the next 2-3 years I’d say. Wright, Roy, K....ect. It’s the reason Cal isn’t that great X’s and O’s But he gives his kids long leashes. Lose some in the regular season but be better prepared for the tourney which is more important.

One is improving the other is going backwards (Drew vs self).

Pride is a killer.

@BShark box score watching checking points my point is he’s playing great D, all over the court and getting dunks and put backs. The O isn’t ran through him and he’s excelling playing aggressive while here he made 1 mistake and was yanked.

Only tcu last year he played well and go figure he had a huge leash with other guys out...played loose

It’s all on coach he berates then but doesn’t build them up. His shtick is getting old.

@approxinfinity he’s gonna play 10 min a game when healthy and Harris will start next year.

Watched ku ball probably like you for decades...self ain’t changing a guy who starts this year and his back won’t be passed up as much as Bobby should start

Self stunts growth it’s a reason recruiting trail he struggles. Coaches sell against him on it and his system and how strict he is.

We still get guys but not like other blue bloods and we can see the whiff inside this year but Bill didn’t want anyone thought Dave was enough

@approxinfinity that’s the point Bill loves system knowers and guys like that but they always coincide with not being athletic enough to win titles

Vs

Play guys who don’t know the system but are athletic studs let them learn and have a huge leash versus letting unathletic guys have huge leash

No foul!!!! Braun got mauled on the dunk

@BShark lol I chuckled at that I like the back and forth we have never hard feelings talking ball

You’re right on D is probably the bigger issue but O isn’t what all the metrics say. It’s och and that’s it. Not good Dave often, Braun is hot and cold and we got no one else besides jcl who can score

@approxinfinity he ain’t quick enough....he’s good knowing the system and being in the right spot he’s just not athletic enough to dominate like the guard we are used to having

Road games expose flaws will be a good learning experience away from the comfy confines of Allen

Guys disappear and men separated from the boys

Unbelievable...fire these refs

@KirkIsMyHinrich Self is right on this it’s an extra W with his +1 -1 scale helps when we are so good at home though

@BShark yeah is that not injury? But he has struggled all year. We have 3 seasons of him beating guys off the dribble constantly for buckets, dump offs or kick out threes.

We know he can

@DanR greatest game plan I’d ever seen against us by a team way over matched

UW at the sprint center let Vick short time he 8-12 footers which are an awkward shot over 20 times and he goes for a 30 but stop everyone else

It’s what teams should do against us with Harris. Dont guard him if he scores 30 barely guarded you tip your cap

@Crimsonorblue22 kudos to bill for adjusting when we know he hates zone...

@Gorilla72 others have mentioned it but he knows he’s not a good shooter

Next year Dick will be the shooter Braun isn’t but won’t play much

@Marco yeah but there’s Zach’s mistake and yank. Way too slow getting over to defense the block. Mitch would have gotten there a step quicker

@approxinfinity who was calling for him to stay on the bench cause the games “too fast” for him and he’d “turn it over” a ton.....

@wissox no flipping way lol that’s a brutal loss for Bama...missery is awful

@Marco who controls that?

@BShark you’ve seen 10 minutes of isu Baylor I’d guess. I watched them in nyc he was night and day different. The aggression, look on his face, all over the floor with his wide wingspan. For that defense we agree on would be nice to have.

@BShark I agree with this as well. ISU and Tristan plays better (more aggressive) D and we look slow and unathletic on D because we are.

@BShark he does? Sure does talk like it because anything remy does on O is questioned.

Bills system is the problem so glad you brought it up. Reason he has minimal involvement in team USA stuff they know how he is and no nba talk in years. The warriors and modem ball has changed just like nfl has and even saban has accepted in college.

Remy will never know the system like 4 year guys and self’s system he’s so rigid in instead of letting guys get good shots within it with a bigger leash.

Harris can’t shoot a bad shot in selfs mind and Remy can’t take a good.

Dave can’t take a bad shot cause it’s in self’s system. Self was mad Dave wasn’t making shots but not Dave chucking up bricks.

The game now is open the floor and spacing. The inside opens it up on the outside is proven true every night the game is played.

@BShark what did he do against the best when the lights were the brightest? Apply your same logic and mine to our guys last year.

You probably played sports. A great coach is tough but instills confidence while wanting you to improve.

Billy never spoke well about Remy from day 1. Everyone’s talked about them “gelling” or each “giving a little”.

That’s all Bill’s fault. He should say we want remy’s D to catch up with his O. He’s so quick he should get 2-3 steals a game and control the game on both ends. We already know he can create just honing in the timing while staying aggressive.

Instead he pumps Harris’ summer gym record like it matters or anyone gives a crap but clearly Billy does.....

Meanwhile he trashed remy even when remy saved us one game it was negativity when asked

That’s just being an @$$ not a great coach I’d expect

@BShark really? What about anything self has said this season early on and how remy’s played constantly passing left and right hardly looking for shots says Bill has encouraged it????

Bill has flat out said he takes bad shots at bad times and is all frustrated. Where you been all season?

Also - Self showing his ignorance fronting Harris with “he’s undefeated in summer ball that’s unheard of” literally had me rolling. Yeah summer ball translates to when the lights come on.

Zach we are told dominates in a practice but never gets any run so the whole show us in practice to get minutes is Bs for mr BS

@BShark scared to make a mistake or else they get the yank. You seen Tristan play defense and rim run at all this year? Different player when his coach instills confidence in him not the short leash one mistake against technical school in November and you’re pulled.

Joe scored 32 on a team Harris and our guards couldn’t get a shot off in the paint. Shows all the potential and now he looks so uncomfortable and not confident out there.

Who do you think did that?

@jayballer67 #neutered and started the game on the bench

@jayballer67 funny how that works doesn’t it with real comp away from the protection of the Phog

@wissox agreed! :) just get the W and get home!

@DCHawker yeah and we were horrible athletically and improvements would be made.....Harris and Mitch starting was the solid choices Bill good acting upon those end of year statements

We have athletes they just don’t play cause they don’t know the system or they mess up AND have no leash

This is what Bill gets...it’s getting old

@jayballer67 starting to see a them yet when we play 4 on 5 on offense or we don’t have a stud scoring guard handling things

@wissox gonna have to ask Bill your guess is as good as mine but everyone knew our O was a mirage with easy schedule.

Sure would be nice if we had ball dominate scoring and distributing Remy when we can’t buy a bucket

Maximize the talent....it’s that simple. Are we maximizing this squads talent or not as we move along with the season?

Dave to the bench

Remy not starting

Wilson one of the worst statistics ls guys this year....

@jayballer67 based on what? Leading isu in scoring? We not turning it over already so we must be knocking down shots right?

Wish we had Pettiford but let’s be honest he wouldn’t play more than 10 mpg versus weak handles Harris

Let Clemence and JCL and Joe get some run Bill neither team can score

Oh forgot Joe has no confidence wonder why that is guys

@wissox funny how others saw what he was and how he can impact this team yet Self decided to take it upon himself to completely change how remy plays taking shots via the media and complaining constantly when he’d have comments on good plays.

Bill doesn’t get our best players to play at their best he picks and chooses who he likes who are oddly never the best guys (traylor, Mostar, ect).

Remy came to Allen and torched us yet now he never looks to get downhill like Frank or graham would (prior to his knee even)....that says enough Self will look back at this team and still not seeing his blindness and lack of maximizing the talent he had

Oh and Baylor torched us that 2020 year in Allen we went back there and won a hard fought game. 2020 wasn’t guaranteed and Baylor just as much could say they could have won it and be back to back

@stoptheflop what do we expect we got the weakest pg in the big 12 starting and one of the best on the bench

Self has done nothing to encourage Remy to be a 3 headed monster with our wings all averaging 15 again and cough cough open things up inside for Dave even more

Scott Drew & Jay Wright

The guy at ISU has them playing D all over the place. I’ve watched 4 of their games and Tristan is active and aggressive not scared to be yanked.

I don’t know if homers would claim the systems to complicated or what but our guys look like early 2000’s with defensive scheme compared to isu and Baylor.

Why 1 guy gets a leash and another doesn’t makes no sense. As a coach your job is to have us playing the best in March and get the absolute most out of our guys. Self doesn’t do that it’s the exact opposite unless you are one of his pets.

Remy should be like Akinjo leading this team with Och and Braun instead he’s neutered. Self instilled no confidence in him and deserves everything he’s got coming to him with his lack of developing these players.

Joe came in looks aggressive in FL. He is all over on defense (not always in the right position but defense matters to self and man’ing up he can do) and he’s so athletic he immediately comes in beats his man off the dribble for lobs to our bigs.

Meanwhile Harris who is a solid backup is the new Frank mason in selfs mind and has to be on the floor even when he gets beat off the dribble or turns it over back to back possessions yet never is yanked.

That’s bad coaching. Even coach Saban has grown that his young team he can’t berate as much and has to encourage.

Self hasn’t evolved he’s actually digressed and his lack of playing better athletes is exposed more as our roster isn’t full of all Americans.

You all ready for 3rd - 4th place in the Big 12?

Coach neutered an All American guard (nice 3 for his 21st bucket 25 minutes in...brutal coach way to screw guys mentally in order to toughen them up but just mess it all up) so instead of having a big 3 we have a big 1 1/2 depending on Braun.

Coach followed that up with a guy who can beat anyone off the dribble and score with the shortest leash I've ever seen.

Have we gotten more athletic and better as the man himself said after last years round of 32 drubbing? Nope so be prepared for another early exit.

When you can't beat a team that's not even full strenght on the road it's going to be a long year.

Basketball is best when the big is a 7 foot athletic rim runner (see Baylor) with minimal athletic skill. Block shots, set screens, rebound, dunk on lobs.

You play 5 out and space the floor. The old adage of "you have to throw it into the post to open up things" has been disproved for a while now (see the warriors on spacing and ball movement in modern basketball).

Hey another Harris turnover no surprise there.....Pettiford can't ever have it taken from him but he'd never played ahead of Harris because "Harri's went undefeated in summer ball" - per the man himself. Get out of here on putting emphasis on something so meaningless.

Guys can know your system but when not athletic enough won't make the plays. You stunted the athletes you did have by handcuffing them.

You made your bed now you lie in it.

@Oldmanhawk I wouldn't trade Bill for any other coach on this planet not even Pop from the Spurs. I'm pointing out he is not infallible and his error in what he values puts a ceiling on the team.

Think Mahomes playing his rookie year versus Alex Smith who had a great year his last year here. We aren't going into foxboro with smith leading us same but if Mahomes had played or played all year who knows.

Calipari (albeit an awful x's and o's coach) let's new guys develop not ONLY in practice but games is my emphasis.

Again - don't want anyone but Bill but pointing out how he puts a ceiling on this team which matters in March. Give me a few losses now against Bama or whoever so we can excel with experienced freshman or transfers when it matters.

He's the man, he's stubborn, he likes it done his way and yet we've underachieved a lot. If it weren't for the Mario Miracle he'd be viewed very differently dare we say the greatest to never win it all.

Bill wants you to "prove it in practice" and "be in the right spot" all the time even if the player performing this doesn't have the ability to stop the other team.

I hate nothing more than the, "you don't see what the coaches see in practice everyday". You're right I don't but you know what I do see? The games where it matters most. You know what you can't simulate with practice??? A game....the game is where you can get the most out of judging a player.

You can play 8 on 5 all week preparing for WV's or Lville's press but it won't be the same when the lights come one.

This is all what is wrong with Bill Self.

The following comments are not knocks on players directly but on player evaluation.
Reed and Morningstar over EJ (remember VCU check those stats)....meanwhile the next year EJ and Tyshawn lead us to a final 4.

Traylor over countless guys.

Now it is Harris over Bobby and Mitch over Clemence.

Bobby performed almost better than Harris in half the minutes and Clemence as well. Oh and Harris will never score 32 in USC......but Joe must not "know the offense" so definitely don't try to practice in a game against Tarleton State with all these guys.

Oh but wait "Clemence was a bad matchup" oh really then maybe that's a good spot to see how he does or let him learn in game while we still win by 20 - moving his feet guarding smaller players??? Oh he performed bad in practice all week you didn't see it. Everyone knows teams who practice poor for a week then go play well and teams that practice great and go get blown out. Guess Dave should have sat too then.

Bill is stunting this team just like he does every year and it's getting old.

Harris will cause teams to do what Bill did to UNC when they didn't have Kendall Marshall playing 5 on 4.

Our best KU teams are when every player can score....maybe Bill forgot how basketball worked?

Give Bobby and Joe Harris' minutes and watch what happens to our ceiling. Give Clemence - Mitch's minutes and we will bring back the Morrii top of the key 3 like you've never seen.

Or go rack up another 25 wins 1 seed and Elite 8 flame out to an athletic team like Memphis.

Oh and how could we forget right.....Frank Mason albeit a freshman on the bench as we played Tharpe who was brutal and then who almost saved us against Stanford...yeah Conner Frankamp. Wonder what that season would have looked like if Frank got 25-28 minutes a game since all we heard all year was "he's so good in practice"......wait I thought that mattered Bill and once you get it in practice you get time in a game.

Oh no wait you gotta remember the "short leash" in the game from Bill can't play through your mistakes go back to "practicing" it in "practice" again.

Lineup should be:
Remy
Bobby
Och
Wilson
Dave

Bench in order:
Joe
Clemence
Braun
JCL
Harris

See ya in March for the heartbreak - I rest my case.

betterfireE said:

Doke should have never started this game. This was obviously a game in which we needed to surprise and we did nothing. We played like scared little pussies giving them so much space along the arc.

I am really disappointed in Bill this time. I am not going to hide it. Yes, they hit a ton of threes but how many were open? Too many. And that is unacceptable. We didn’t put any pressure on ova defensively and gave them exactly what they were expecting. This was a a disaster. Someone tell me otherwise.

I’m disappointed to but we overachieved by a mile.

Honestly I had people saying we need to defend like nova in the gameday chat which I 100% agree with but the players did what Bill wanted defensively as his game plan was hope nova misses which is horrible.

That’s why I preached offense because defensively we haven’t been good all year. We may get a stop late sure but nothing continuous.

Offensively is what got us here and we needed to freely let it fly which we didn’t. Some of that nova and plenty of it self inflicted with “feed the post” to start.

kjayhawks said:

@Bwag I disagree, the lack of our guards being able to stop the dribble drive was the difference IMO. They drove, we helped and then they kicked out for a 3. Most teams won’t have 6 guys hit multiple 3s in one game. If I’m playing against us defensively, I know that I can prob get help off of Vick’s, Garrett’s and Dokes man if needed most the time. Having an athletic big that can help and hit 3s like Paschall was huge. We had no one that could help defensively that didn’t leave a shooter open as stated 6 guys hit multiple 3s and a 7th hit one.

We needed to not help out on the dribble drive essentially give them layups or floaters all game. They drive to kick not to usually score

kjayhawks said:

They left Garrett open on purpose no doubt but I didn’t mind him trying to help get us back in, Malik missed a good look and Svi missed a shot at the rim with Garrett’s 2 3 points misses that would’ve cut it to 7 there with about 8 to go when actually got a few stops. What makes them hard to gaurd on night like tonight is they had 6 guys hit atleast 2 3s and a 7th hit one. Their starting 5 man went 4-5 from distance. No college team I’ve seen in recent memory was gonna beat Nova tonight, know our luck they be icey against Michigan like they were vs TT and lose. Which I’ll be pulling for Michigan anyway.

I minded him shooting. Played right into what nova wanted. Garrett is like Doke if it isn’t s layup or dunk it isn’t going in.

His job is drive and kick to an open shooter

Duh big blank on my end with jre

He’s talented but more Wiggins in terms of attitude than josh Jackson unfortunately