@JayHawkFanToo Nah, the popularity is good for the fundraising. I wouldn't care on the rivalry itself if it was 1 person or 10 million--I still don't like 'em and absent the charity would prefer not to play other games even if everyone disagreed.
Then again, I cannot stand cilantro, BMWs, rap (or pretty much music after 1982), Warhol, weightlifting, and sweaters, all of which are popular with millions of people. To each, his/her/its own!
@JayHawkFanToo Actually, I never disagreed with his premise that huge numbers of fans would want it renewed. I only disagreed with @HighEliteMajor over the reasons people, including Self, had for not wanting to play them. Value judgment difference, not a misunderstanding of rivalry popularity. He kept attributing it to cowardice and the like. I to simple distaste for MU.
BShark said:
Doomsayers believe a huge alien world called Nibiru or Planet X is hurtling through space towards us – and will hit tomorrow.
LMAO
I thought that was Aug 23 or Sept 22 or some such? Plus, last December, too, or whenever the Mayan 40,000 year calendar did a page turn or something. Wait! The eclipse, too! But Pat Robertson says our hurricanes are because of gay tolerance as God brings judgment upon us, and Jim Baaker now says we are all going to burn for mocking him (Jim). And Jim Jones, of course, simply killed all of his followers so he could be right about their world ending at least.
Which doomsaying charlatan to believe?
Well, we can exclude anyone who predicted a cold day in Hell before KU and Mizzou played again!
@jayballer54 I think those were the same people who insisted the Royals won despite Ned Yost, and that he was only to blame for losses and should not be credited for wins. Or the people who think Self should not get credit for the Streak, because after all, we are KU and we always win at AFH -- as if always winning at AFH has nothing to do with the home record rung up by Self.
Haters gonna hate, and stupidity will find a way.
@JayHawkFanToo You misread my post. I was only using your use of the word "side" as a segue. Apologies if you are a Flat Earther--I did not know.
@JayHawkFanToo Or to the other side of the flat earth.....
Signed up! Incidentally, to continue the tax issue previously mentioned about tickets, no info given on deductibility. I think it probably isn't deductible because you get to watch the event and $40 might be the value for PPV. The company donating all fees must get the deduction. Might be more on this sometime.
Chiefs are the only team I have ever seen that constantly tries tackling without using their arms. And, the only team I have ever seen that routinely drops the secondary back 5 yds beyond the 1st down line on 4th down pass defense.
With their defense playing this badly, they deserved to lose both last week and this week. Very unhappy rest of season if they don't get the secondary straightened out.
Bye bye Cubbies, incidentally.
@KUSTEVE "If possible, speak in drive thru order taker lingo, as they are fluent in this language."
I fear that KU will always have that football-player-stuck-in-the-drive-thru-window thing to live down, so you might choose a different insult!
Seems likely that for at least a year, some fans are going to gnash their teeth over the choice of Mizzou. Okay, we get it you don't like it. And, considering how fast the tickets sold, I am not buying @JayHawkFanToo's contention that 90% of KU fans are against it. Yes, WSU might have sold out, too. But who cares at this point. The decision is over.
Of course, if KU doesn't win the title this year, we know what will be blamed.
UK to play Morehead State on Oct 30 for hurricane relief.
S Carolina "in talks" to play someone. I suspect Winthrop or Citadel, b/c Clemson and Coastal are already on schedule.
We started a trend!
@JayHawkFanToo We can just hold our head high and wear "Record Breaking!" on our tshirts.
Kcmatt7 said:
I'm not sure the likelihood we even get involved seriously when you start to project our lineup and minutes out at the guard spot. However, I would love to land this kid.
6'5 white guy shooter has Duke written all over him though...
He's a jerk, I must infer? Otherwise Duke has no claim....
Giving up their 2016 1st round draft choice to keep Chalmers!
It could be one of the conditions of getting the extra game/scrimmage waiver. No additional national exposure.
@wissox I started a post conjecturing your worst nightmare, beginning with waking up in your dorm in Columbia, MO, planning to attend a Jim and Tammy Faye rally, but by that point I had already scared the crap out of myself and had to stop.
@wissox Careful, there. With your team having only 4 playoff appearances this century, I would be a bit more respectful of them there Packers, who have 13 and missed only 3. Gotta get there to get there.
D. Pay Roy $200,000 to forget he ever saw me so I am not effing embarrassed again when my bosses refuse to do anything after I report the violation.
jaybate 1.0 said:
At this rate NCAA will soon stand for:
Never Charge Allow Anything
Not Caring About Academics
North Carolina Annointing Association
This could be fun....
UNC was put on probationary status in 2015, lifted in 2016, by the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools.
Here is an article about the whole thing. Pretty interesting.
https://alumni.unc.edu/news/sacs-restores-unc-to-full-accreditation/ ↗
Sure it sucked. But a call to Geico could save you $500 in car insurance!
@KUSTEVE Consider the batteries just the MU students making another donation of goods needed in the 85% of PR still without electricity.
Believe it or not, I have a funny Hitler story: On October 14,1980, Sec'y of State Edmund Muskie came to Ann Arbor to speak on the occasion of the 20th anniversary of then-candidate JFK's speech where he announced the plan to start the Peace Corps. Just as JFK did, Muskie spoke on the Student Union steps. A few members of a student organization called the Spartacist Youth League started shouting out slogans objecting to various US foreign policies ("1, 2, 3, 4 We don't want your Mideast war" -- this was during the Iran hostage crisis and after the failed rescue; and "Peace Corps is a CIA front"). Then they started trying to drown him out with questions about things not remotely related to the Peace Corps like "What about Greece?" (or some such place) and "What about Afghanistan?" which the Soviets had invaded.
The other thousands of us listening in the audience were really disgusted that about six nitwits were trying to ruin the event set up to celebrate the beginning of an idealistic volunteer organization. Finally, my friend yelled out, during an odd moment of silence, "Yeah! What about Hitler?" Everyone just cracked up at the apt satire.
The idiots yelled a few more times and then Muskie broke off his sppech and made a brilliant response, paraphrased here to the best of my memory: "You who are here raising your voices, why not raise your arms instead? Raise your arms up to help people who don't have the food you have, who don't have the water you have, who don't have the luxury you have of attending school, let alone college? Why not join the chorus of volunteers who have raised their voices to say 'Yes!' instead of 'No!'?" Audience went crazy. Idiots shut up.
So, when people bring up totally irrelevant crap, my personal shorthand is always "But what about Hitler?"
Maybe not so funny. But a really cool memory.
Wikipedia: "The Spartacist League is a Trotskyist political grouping. They are the United States section of the International Communist League (Fourth Internationalist), formerly the International Spartacist Tendency....
In the United States, the group is small but very vocal, and its activities within leftist-activist coalitions and wide-scale social justice protest movements usually focus on presenting a pole for regroupment and recruitment of subjective revolutionaries on the basis of an internationalist, Bolshevik-Leninist program. Among the American left the Spartacist League is considered particularly notorious for its defense of the North American Man/Boy Love Association and Roman Polanski, and defending North Korea from capitalist restoration."
I am guessing my prediction of a close game was accurate only to the extent that the two teams usually were near each other on the field.
dylans said:
Hahaha I thought the ref had a red afro.
Me too!
@KUSTEVE I think he is ok with other opinions but the antagonism to the event is pretty deep. Your idea of the Phog is interesting but I can't imagine why MU would do that.
@Kcmatt7 Don't forget that the charity's purpose is not worth it.
@dylans MU is Hitler? So, Self must be akin to Philippe Pétain, and the rest of us should be tried for collaborating?
"When one's life is centered singlemindedly around defeating the enemies one has or perceives he has, there is a deep risk of becoming much like one's own worst enemy."
@globaljaybird What will be interesting is to see how the ticketed event gets valued for tax purposes. You can only deduct the amount that is in excess of the fair value of the event for which you receive admission. The ticket receipt had better spell this out. Maybe they will say it is free and the entire price is the donation. I hope they figure this out or the deducting fans might be unhappy to find out they are limited to $10 to $100 or so depending on location.
A heck of a lot of anger and emotion being expended on a charity event. Much as I hate to say it, much of our fanbase is justifying @HighEliteMajor's accusations all along.
Maybe people should go back and read Lincoln's 2nd Innaugural Address. "With malice toward none and charity for all...." He was trying to wind down an actual Civil War and bring a country together. Pretty sure those of you objecting, if you had lived back then, would have accused him of being a sell out (as HCBS is being accused), and instead of healing wounds would have not rested until every last Reb was hanged.
And since it didn't happen then, well, by crickey, let's keep the hatred alive and get 'em now.
"Charity for all?" Oh, hell no! Not of it isn't set up the way we want!
@jaybate-1-0 Ah, fail by me. I thought the embargo was for 5 star PGs and Ctrs. Didn't know it applied to OADs only. Gotta keep up on these hypothetical nonconspiracy things better!
@jaybate-1.0 Whatever became of the alleged PG embargo?
jaybate 1.0 said:
I would rather play North Korea than Fizzou!
And I oppose playing North Korea!
I'd support that if it raised money. One huge caveat: Little Rocket Man does NOT get Big Dennis Rodman on his team.
BShark said:
http://usatodayhss.com/2017/the-devon-dotson-blog-ok-so-heres-why-i-chose-kansas ↗
Great kid--uses the attention on him to ask for help finding a fball player from his school who has gone missing.
Is this announcement televised somewhere?
@jayballer54 @KUSTEVE Hey, what does a guy have to do to get credit around here?
3genhawk said:
@BeddieKU23 the recent picks are what I meant. I think the crystalballs accuracy is 70+%. I just don't get excited over every random pick.
Funny--for me the opposite is literally true: I seem to get excited abput picks randomly. Sometimes I am all involved, other times I am singing "Que Sera" with Doris Day, or not following anything. No rhyme or reason to it!
@Kcmatt7 That reminds me: bars might not like your idea of shortening games. Vendors at the parks, too.
@wissox I bet Louisville is wishing they had hired more prostitutes so the entire student body could be entertained!
Bottom line: UNC acknowledges crappy academic standards across the board to protect the bb program.
A whole new meaning to no special benefits and a new recruiting slogan for regular students: "Come to UNC, where we will care just as little about educating you as we do those kids we have always not given a shit about!"
@Kcmatt7 That would hurt my ability to channel surf between lengthy delays and pitching changes!
@JayHawkFanToo If @HighEliteMajor and I can actually agree on an end resolution to something, if not the cause of the problem, then yes, we are probably right and you are wrong. That actually cannot be true of an opinion about "should we play?" but since you asked I think the path of helping people, even if playing against a school you despise, is the correct one and, given the choice, the moral one.
And I think fundraising efforts like this are designed to generate donations as well as ticket sales. In which case, to be tax deductible, there will likely be major auditing to ensure funds collected get donated as intended.
Finally, to anyone saying they would be happy instead to attend a charity game for local causes instead of this--Wow. Just right altruistic of you. Puerto Rico or the VI just don't rank up there in deserving your help? (Texas and Florida were hit hard but have vastly more resources to draw on, and are geographically located to obtain resources, so my focus is the islands.)
@wissox Maybe those of you who don't like it the way it is now should just tape it and watch later on fast forward!
@Kcmatt7 Well, it is always better to avoid negative comments about other posters.
@wissox So what happens if a playoff game is tied after 3 hours?
And, regular season, lots of ties to make it seem so very worthwhile to sit through those 3 hours?
Love baseball as it is. Anyone can't stand the timing, take a nap!
@JayHawkFanToo @Crimsonorblue22
@HighEliteMajor and I have previously disagreed on the issue of playing them, but not this time. I am surprised at the amount of resistance, because I always thought the best argument against playing was that there was no really good reason to. Now there is.
People also need to realize how much the kids might want to do this. They may have seen the fundraising efforts of UK. Many come from highly disadvantaged backgrounds and want to do something to help the many people who have been left virtually destitute by the storms. A game that brings enemies together for a good cause is a no-brainer. And pretty welcome as an example, actually, as our culture keeps careening toward deep rifts that threaten to become permanent.
As to all the worry about injury possibilities, if the coaches are willing to risk it, I don't think they need our oversight on what is wise. If the game were to be forced on the coaches, I would feel different, but why trust HCBS on everything about running his team except this?
HEM and I have used the divorcing spouses analogy before. In this case, it is like two spouses who hate each other working together to provide desperately needed emergency care to their kid.
There is a time to set aside grievances in service of a greater good. And consider the headlines if petulance rules the day: "KU Won't Play Mizzou Even To Raise Money For Hurricane Victims: Angry Fanbase Says It Isn't Worth It" with a sidebar on the UK total and other fundraising efforts.
@Kcmatt7 Kinda enjoyin' your take, young whippersnapper!