@Hawk8086 Another bit of wisdom came when I objected to his characterization of a person he had a political argument with:
Me: Dad, I thought in America you are free to believe what you want. You can't call someone a jerk just 'cause they disagree with you!
Dad: No, that is what America is all about. The freedom to call someone a "jerk" who is a goddamned jerk!
I learned a lot about freedom--and jerks, come to think about it--from Dad.
@DoubleDD I meant that the kids may have a very limited view of their skill sets, not through a fault of their own but because what they have done before college, and what they are told before college, are limited.
A good and demanding coach can get more out of them because that type of coach can see things the kid can do that the kid hasn't shown before.
But bringing it out can be uncomfortable. And I only blame kids when they decide to listen to handlers or parents looking to cash in on talent rather than developing it.
I still think kids should have the option of deciding. America, my dad said, is the place where any damned fool is free to make mistakes.
@DoubleDD You reiterate a point I suggested about the kid choosing to play for a coach he wants to, but you extended it a bit to give suggestions of how a change could impact the kid due to changes in style of play, for example. Good point.
But it caused me to remember another point: these kids are not often the best evaluators of their own skills and aptitudes. I think they come to college full of delusions of coming into a program and immediately being top dog. Their heads are filled with all the whispers and promises of handlers and agents, and people like Carl Henry who undermine the coach's authority by telling kids how to play and to forget what the goddam coach said.
We do have to be careful not to blindly empower the dreamy imaginations of 17-18 year olds who may not know what is in their own best interest, or who don't understand that being challenged is the only way to exceed your initial limitations.
@Texas-Hawk-10 A "penalty" (that the new school pays) is not the same as being forced not to coach for a year. That is a slight deterrent at best. Students actually do get penalized if they transfer.
@KUSTEVE I think they could have a more effective strategy to kill us by just investing heavily in candy, potato chip, and meth manufacturers, and then cut prices to vastly increase demand.
@Careful-you Not in my scenario. I think it would be fair to restrict that.
@HighEliteMajor Ironically this is an area where I think a free market (here, labor) is better, and you support restrictions to protect established economic actors (schools). Sports makes for upside down economic loyalties.
I cannot see how (a) anyone could assert we currently have competitive balance, since virtually all recruiting power is concentrated in about 20 schools, or (b) why letting students move unfettered (only once) will destroy college sports. It would just become a different calculus. I think it would increase overall competitiveness, giving a real boost to smaller schools, and force schools to treat both coaches and athletes better lest they lose their labor pool.
@KUSTEVE It is at least starting to look like the FL left coast has a chance to be okay if Irma continues to follow recent tracks further off the east coast.
That said, it is also now pointing straight at us here in South Carolina. Ironically, my sis-in-law is bringing her 90 year old dad to our house from Ft Lauderdale.
@JayHawkFanToo "...if you choose to sign a LOI and receive a scholarship, then you better be ready to follow the rules."
Well, if they change the rules that would still involve kids following the rules. Tying automatic permission to the coach leaving is just realistic. If you went to KU to study under a particular professor and he left, you would be free to transfer. Why should athletics be different?
Maybe limit it to 1 transfer per student during entire career, no transfer eligibility without a redshirt year if the transfer occurs more than six weeks after the Final 4, and eliminate the difference for graduate transfers. Protects both schools and students.
If you think students in sports should focus exclusively on their degree, you aren't old fashioned. You are out of date, an antique, a relic, a dinosaur, a grumpy old fuddy duddy! Whoops, sorry, quoting my granddaughter in there....
@drgnslayr @HighEliteMajor
Thank you for the reminder of Bob Frederick (no suffix). His leaving in the early 2000's ("voluntarily" after the fball program did not get better) let Al Bohl in the door, resulting in Roy exiting through that same door.
Died in a bicycling accident, 2009. RIP, Bob, and thanks from our Jayhawk hearts.
@Kcmatt7 Good for you! I checked the Am Red Cross. They want a 10 day commitment for Houston because they have to train everybody they use. I am not sure about prepping elsewhere.
There are many groups that are associated with churches. Here is a site that contains a list of links: http://www.disastercenter.com/agency.htm ↗
Note: Samaritans Purse volunteers were the second flood--a good one--into my friend's neighborhood after their houses all got water up to the roofline in Oct 2015. Hundreds arrived and helped strip drywall, pile trash, recovered salvagable items, distributed food to workers, and gave all types of support. The link for them in that list above didn't work. Here it is: https://www.samaritanspurse.org ↗
From the 11 a.m EDT discussion of Irma by the National Hurricane Center:
"This [current intensity] makes Irma the strongest hurricane in the Atlantic
basin outside of the Caribbean Sea and Gulf of Mexico in the NHC
records."
@RockkChalkk From the August 19 KUSports Matt Tait article, here is an expanded list of your names and more, some official, some unofficial, with a blurb on each:
• Jalen Carey – Class of 2018 point guard ranked No. 59 on 247 Sports’ Composite Rankings has tentatively set his visit for Late Night. Carey cut his list to a final six earlier this month and joining the Jayhawks on the 6-foot-3, 170-pound Immaculate Conception High (New York City) prospect’s list were: Miami (Fla.), Rutgers, Syracuse, UConn and Villanova.
• Quentin Grimes – Class of 2018 shooting guard ranked No. 22 overall by 247 Sports included Kansas in his Final 7 earlier this month. Joining the Jayhawks on the 6-4, 175-pound guard’s list were: Arizona, Baylor, Kentucky, Marquette, Texas and Texas A&M.; Grimes told Matt Scott of TheShiver.com that he would officially visit KU for Late Night and return for a game in November.
• Zion Griffin – No, not that Zion (yet), but the 6-6, 208-pound small forward from Darien, Ill., will visit KU for Late Night. Ranked No. 62 overall by 247 Sports, the recruiting site’s crystal ball prediction currently lists KU as 100 percent to land Griffin, who also lists Illinois State, Iowa State and Pitt on his list. No word yet on an official visit date for Zion Williamson, the No. 1 ranked prospect in the 2018 class, whose top school in the 247 Sports crystal ball prediction is Kansas, leading 38-31 percent over Kentucky.
• Malik Hall – 6-foot-7, 190-pound small forward from Sunrise Christian Academy in Wichita and MOKAN AAU program, Hall is ranked No. 153 in the Class of 2019 by 247 Sports.
• Zach Harvey – 6-foot-4, 170-pound combo guard from nearby Hayden High in Topeka, Harvey is ranked No. 25 in his class by 247 Sports. Expected to attend Late Night on unofficial visit.
• Jeremiah Robinson-Earl – 6-foot-9, 220-pound power forward in the Class of 2019 who plays at nearby Bishop Miege High and is the son of former KU forward Lester Earl. Ranked No. 23 in his class by 247 Sports. Expected to attend Late Night on unofficial visit.
• Samuell Williamson – 6-foot-6, 170-pound shooting guard from Rockwall, Texas. Not ranked in 247 Sports’ Top 226 for the Class of 2019.
• Ty Berry – Class of 2020 point guard from Newton, the 6-2, 170-pound guard will join fellow Kansans Robinson-Earl and Harvey on unofficial visits to Late Night.
• N’faly Dante – Teammate of Hall’s at Sunrise Christian, this Class of 2020 power forward is ranked No. 17 on 247 Sports’ composite rankings for his class. 6-foot-11, 230-pound forward will make unofficial visit.
Other known visit dates from notable Class of 2018 prospects include: Charlotte, N.C., point guard Devon Dotson (6-2, 180), who is slated to visit KU Aug. 25; and Bel Air, Md., point guard Immanuel Quickley (6-3, 175), who is slated to visit KU Sept. 2.
In addition, Shay Wildeboor of JayhawkSlant.com, reported Saturday that Class of 2018 power forward Jermaine Harris (6-8, 220), of Clinton, Md., had scheduled his visit to KU for Oct. 6-8.
Harris is ranked No. 81 in 247’s composite rankings for 2018 and also will visit West Virginia, Rhode Island, Xavier and Miami (Fla.).
@RockkChalkk For the 33rd year in a row, I am making plans in my head to come but will still not be able to.
Cool list! Thank you...
@KUSTEVE "Bill has never been in trouble."
Not directly, but we did lose a scholarship and a few official visits due to over $5,000 in illicit benefits being provided to then-recruit Darnell by a KU booster, including transportation to an NCAA tourney game and failure to monitor JR Giddens free tickets given to them. KU self-reported the violations and DJ had to sit out 9 games, as well as pay back the benefits.
The tickets were not illegal, but the NCAA said if staff kept better track of who received tickets KU would have known of the relationship with the booster previously.
Bill and Co took responsibility for the problem without acting persecuted, which is Larry's victimization persona. Had KU not self-reported, a failure to ensure institutional control finding seems possible.
As for Askew's situation, sure, mitigating circumstances. But it was a clear violation, permission from the NCAA was never sought, the coach was involved, and he had no excuse and no remorse, which almost cost us dearly.
I was more disturbed when the sanctions came out in October 1988 that the committee explained that the death penalty had been considered, that KU knew it was considered when appearing before the committee, and that the committee was disturbed that KU diminished the violations during the hearing. The committee explained that the dp was not imposed for several reasons, first, the original violations from 1983 were football not basketball. Second, the staff involved in the new violations was no longer at KU. A third reason was that the violations occurred only in a short time in 1986.
So you might not have been as suspicious as me, but I was disgusted. (Maybe it has to do with the fact that my work back then involved people who didn't take very seriously their compliance obligations.)
@KUSTEVE It wasn't fine with me for 30 years. I was pissed when he left us on probation. I always figured it was more than a couple of phone cards given to recruits. Worse, Larry's comments these past couple of years about all three schools being penalized show he still doesn't get it. But we have covered all that before.
As to his legacy, it is mixed. I don't remember anything actually undermining the legitimacy of the title with ineligible players, so hurray for that, but the way he left stinks, and gives too much fodder to those saying we have cheated since before Wilt.
In addition, the latest satellite images look like Africa is shooting spitballs at us. Not all those clouds will develop, but this is impressive.!0_1504613657780_two_atl_2d0 (1).png ↗
Irma is now Category 5 hurricane. Looks like it skirts Dom Rep and Cuba and goes into the southeastern Gulf if it stays in the middle of 5-day forecast zone. They predict it will reduce in intensity in a couple days to a 4 but then could pick up again. Still no prediction by Nat H Center when it will turn north. PR, St Maarten, St Thomas, and other NE Antilles islands gonna get hit today and tomorrow.!0_1504613518940_090514_5day_cone_no_line_and_wind.png ↗
Edit: Spaghetti models almost all go straight up Florida. State of energency declared for entire state. But so far, the spaghetti models have all been premature on when they think Irma will turn. Whatever happens, we could get a bunch of rain here in the SE if it fishhooks eventuallym
@jayballer54 Fizzou fans' reaction to that hire was nothing compared to UNC fans, who had eagerly watched Danny grow up to be a star, and counted on him being a Tar Heel until Ed whisked him away to Lawrence for his senior year.
@JayHawkFanToo Much like the Dodgers situation where millions of their fans can't see their games.
You could move to SEC country here in South Cackalackee. You would be force fed Gamecock football on every media outlet, in every TV commercial, and on all cars , trucks, and DUI-mobiles (mopeds) until you puke. But you could see everything KU-related on TW and ESPN3.
TW is, of course, now Spectrum, because TW had the world's worst company reputation. How many companies have ever tried to reduce their brand-name recognition?
@Crimsonorblue22 Pay for something we want to watch? Isn't that a violation of our constitutional rights as fans?
Here is the HOF site listing this week's events associated with this year's ceremony. (You might need to have lots of disposable income to really get involved.)
http://www.hoophall.com/events/enshrinement/enshrinement-calendar/ ↗
@JayHawkFanToo Withey took it up high his junior year, 79.5%, but fell back to 71.4% senior year. Simien was great. Too bad injuries curtailed both college and pro opportunities for greatness (if only vs Syracuse...Simien and Graves both out there...sigh.)
@KUSTEVE "Uncle Ted ran this program into the ground, and he should’ve been let go way before he was finally fired, imo."
Hey, we tried in 1978 with the "Gong Owens" campaign.
However, I do acknowledge the guy bled Crimson and Blue and has stayed loyal despite our fans turning on him. He just couldn't recruit well and his in-game coaching got stuck in the 60's.
Monday morning run of computer models. Irma now projected to go more south, probably along the northern edge of Hispaniola and Cuba, then turn north. Straight up Florida is a possibility, but it could go toward the gulf. Doesn't seem real likely it hits LA or TX on the projections, but if a high in the southern US develops, it will keep moving further west.
@Lulufulu Roy Williams was an assistant at UNC when KU won. Not sure what you mean?
@KUSTEVE We also tend to forget that Jamari really only played a little while in organized ball before attending IMG. I think he never developed ball handling skills and the eye for shooting at an early enough age for those things to become instinctive.
@KUSTEVE Behind every great coach there is a staff. It was Assistant Coach Manning's contribution that took Brown to the top.
For all you hurricane trackers, Irma is still unpredictable but it seems to be heading straight for the Bahamas. The following graphic is called "spaghetti modeling" and shows lots of different tracks using each of several meteorological computer models run a number of times with slightly different assumptions of changes in conditions.
@DoubleDD Maybe it got political, and liberals felt attacked, because the site you chose in the first warning you posted had the very first sentence "Liberals have given a lot of power to the Muslim extremist Linda Sarsour."
The fact that it was inaccurate in the charity it denounced you pass off as apparently unimportant, but that could have dire consequences for 2 legitimate charities when people such as yourself pass around links without vetting. And that HURTS the people of Houston.
@stoptheflop The fb games in the Cromwell years were fun for me, too. But basketball games were exponentially more fun!
@dylans Perhaps the Rack should be added to Hudy's tool shed?
@Texas-Hawk-10 And making inroads into recruiting Texas was, I think, the SEC's ultimate goal.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Ironically, the two cities whose teams you said you are not a fan of, Kansas City and Dallas, are joined by coincidence in the AFL history books to your real team because before they became the KC Chiefs they were the Dallas Texans.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Houston? Maybe you like the classics, like Green Bay?
@jayballer54 See any Maryland students crying?
@BShark Hmmm... so hard to remember. Had the National HS POY, another fresh who was #1 in his class acc to at least 1 recruiting eval site, another who was #7, and yet another who was #11, PLUS a returning presumptive leading candidate for college POY, and yet managed to lose in the round of 32....
Hmmm... so hard... must be getting old.... Wait! Could it have been last year?**
@BShark Let's guess: Dallas?
dylans said:
At Silvio's age (19) he likely is done growing, so what you see is what you get regardless of measurements.
Probably. On the other hand, http://www.naturalheightgrowth.com/2012/09/20/the-largest-growth-spurts-in-history/ ↗ has some exceptions up to 20 and one up to 21:
Dennis Rodman – From 5′ 9″ –> 6′ 7″ around age 20, 1 years time.
Scottie Pippen – From 6′ 1″ –> 6′ 8″ around age 19 or 20, 1 years time, but mainly in the summer
Dwight Howard from 5’8″ to 6’9″ in one year ( http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho…d.php?t=203778 ↗ )
Dennis Johnson 5’9″ as a HS senior to 6’4″ in one year.
David Robinson – 5’9 his junior year of high school and 6’7 his senior year and then 7’1 in Naval Academy. last spurt was at age 21.
Actor Kevin Costner grew from 5’2″, to 6’1″ from 18-20 yrs. old
It was funny seeing NBA stars and then Kevin Costner!
But none of these were from more than 6' 2" except Robinson, and that doesn't show how much he grew in college. So, maybe only a small increase can be hoped for.
@BShark @stoptheflop Not all basketball fans are football fans, or, like me, they may be fans who will watch a game from afar but don't have enough familiarity with the team to contribute much here.
@dylans When you have shoes on but tied very loosely, you can raise up off your heels without the shoes going up, or you can put heel inserts in. Get another 1/2 inch that way.
I saw something once years ago about all the different things that athletes, store employees, butchers, bulk retailers, dump truck operators, and others do to "fudge" measurements. It was like reading a magician's secrets.
@DoubleDD Since you still have never responded to my many noninsulting questions, I give up. I will state, since you seem not to have noticed, that I did the work of correcting the reckless inaccuracy contained in the link you originally cited so that people don't think 2 totally legit charities were the one you were questioning. Work you should have done before linking to a nut-job, discredited website.
You're welcome.
@nuleafjhawk Plus, if you rescue a Fizzou person it means you will still have them around to make fun of.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Models still in disarray. Here is a discussion from CNN of the considerations going into the two paths. The NHC discussion of its forecast has been favoring the southern track from the European model because different simulations on it consistently are giving a similar result, while the other models showing a northern track are all over the map.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/31/us/hurricane-irma-forecast-weather/index.html ↗ (you can see accompanying graphics on the site)
There is considerable confidence that Hurricane Irma will track to the west through the weekend and then take a slight jog to the southwest early next week in response "to a building ridge (of high pressure) over the central Atlantic."
From there, the forecast becomes a lot less clear, with some major differences among some of the key models meteorologists use to forecast hurricanes. The differences are so drastic that one prediction has Irma sliding harmlessly back out to sea, while in another, it makes multiple disastrous landfalls in the Caribbean and likely hits the United States after that.
Dueling prediction models
The European model, or ECMWF, and the American GFS model have had some notable showdowns before, most notably with Hurricane Sandy.
Hurricane Sandy Fast Facts
With Sandy, the ECMWF correctly predicted a landfall in the Northeast nearly a week ahead, while the GFS continually kept the storm offshore in what became a major black eye for the US weather-modeling industry. There have been other examples in which the GFS model has outperformed its European counterpart, such as with a few major snowstorms in the Northeast.
Right now, the GFS has Irma taking a more northerly track that curves to the north before it reaches the Caribbean, thus making a US landfall much less likely.
The European model keeps the storm tracking further west and into the Caribbean by the middle of next week.
"The ECMWF sees a much stronger ridge or Bermuda High (than the GFS) which forces Irma west, whereas the GFS has a weaker ridge and a more rightward, parabolic track," said Ryan Maue, a meteorologist with WeatherBell Analytics.
European vs American weather models
"The prospects for major impacts anywhere from Cuba to Carolinas is concerning for this very reliable model," Maue said.
Irma is still more than 1,700 miles east of the Leeward Islands, and any impacts from the storm wouldn't be felt until Tuesday or Wednesday for the Leeward Islands and Puerto Rico.
The forecast picture should become clearer after the weekend.
@kjayhawks That picture of the white cop carrying the two little black kids out of the flooding house--their vulnerability and trust; his strength and certainty--moved me beyond measure.
And then I realized that I wasn't sure if I remembered it right. Maybe it was a black cop and white kids? There have been so many pictures, so many selfless rescues.... Suddenly I wasn't sure, and that made me realize the same thing you are talking about.
One thing no other program has experienced since UCLA is that we have not had a disappointing regular season under Bill. EVER! The worst we faced was the "Topeka YMCA" loss to TCU. And we still won the B12 title.
Post-season, another story obviously, but what is nice as a fan is being able to enjoy so many months each year of unmatched excellence.
@approxinfinity I hate it when a player's career is summed up as not living up to his draft status without exploring why. His numbers per 48 are worthy. Roster issues, coaching changes, and injuries have prevented TR from ever being put in a position commensurate with his draft status.
His journey has been similar to Gooden's. Round peg who keeps getting short-term opportunities to fill square holes.
@kjayhawks GOT is certainly appropriate for your 2 year old, so don't let it deter you. Cute animals, romance, cuddly monsters, kings and queens and knights, excellent role-models....
KUSTEVE said:
@mayjay I had my microscope out- I had to split that hair. Otherwise, I'd be wrong.
Words to live by! PHOF!
We all know that the difference between 1 and 2 is essentially meaningless, don't we?