@jaybate-1.0 Incidentally, if you are interested in Philbrick, he also wrote a book about a scientific exploration that was America's first concerted effort to compete with European science voyages. The efforts by the expedition's commander to carry out his mission are Herculean. Sea of Glory: America's Voyage of Discovery: the U.S. Exploring Expedition, 1838-1842.
Coincidentally, today is the anniversary of when that expedition was launched.
@jaybate-1.0 If you revere Moby Dick, you might really enjoy Nathaniel Philbrick's In the Heart of the Sea: The Tragedy of the Whaleship Essex which examines the voyage underlying Melville's story (the book is much better than the movie). He has written several fascinating books.
@DoubleDD Some people, of all persuasions, are just idiots and enjoy destroying things.
@BShark It does seem unrealistic to expect a 19 year old kid in his home town to be in beddybye before 9 pm in the summer. On the other hand, there is the Roy axiom regarding when nothing good happens...
What Dedrick must learn from this is that hangers-on are willing to use you and then leave you hanging out to dry. Hopefully, he will learn to choose friends a bit more wisely. I am not optimistic this will happen because even his comments in the stories absolving him make it look like he acquiesced in a developing difficult situation and then walked away knowing he wasn't legally responsible.
@DoubleDD I just reread your comments in the Colin K thread where you talked about the importance not only of respecting the American flag itself but also the importance of respecting what it has meant to millions of Americans.
Please for a moment put the Charlottesville events in the context of what seeing Nazi banners and KKK flags paraded in the city must mean to Americans who know very well how those symbolize threats to their very right to existence if the people carrying them were to achieve power.
Now, think about why -- in the context of knowing how scary it is to imagine the paraders getting power -- people might feel dismay when the paraders celebrate excitedly because they believe the President is legitimizing their cause. Even if they are wrong, isn't it up to the President to forcibly clarify that he does not stand for them, that this is libel of the worst kind, and that he hates everything they stand for?
That would uplift the value of the American flag far above the symbols of hate and extermination.
@JayHawkFanToo @approxinfinity
Ditto to approx in regards to the last sentence, but I am more hesitant to bow to popular sentiment on removing history. Some of it is too based on momentary passions. I believe in learning history, not erasing it. The Confederate statues are different than statues of people who owned slaves such as the founders. The founders statues are there for historical, revolutionary accomplishments. The Confederates are being honored with statues for rebelling against the United States. I have problems with lauding treason against my country. Go figure.
@brooksmd Actually, I lied. Just having fun with the pun! Didn't think you would believe me. I am way too effin lazy to use a reel! My "I do" was about knowing what they are. Sorry!
I have a nice 20 HP Kohler-engined TroyBilt 46" tractor (nice now that the repair place put 46b blades on instead of the 42" they used earlier) and a self-propelled Honda 22" walk-behind. I tried to use a really old heavy reel once and felt like I was pushing a block of concrete through mud. Maybe a new one is lighter and better lubricated, but I don't think my cardiologist wants me to find out.
So, the tractor's key, steering, throttle use, and blade manipulation are all powered by one Mayjay Power (MP), while the Honda's starter cord and reverse are powered by one MP also.
The sons were not very good at the mowing thing, so their Grandpa (my F-I-L) did it for exercise. By the time he died, they had moved. Now I am the Grandpa doing it because the next gen is in Hawaii.
I have mower envy, though. You could ripsnort through my yard in 15 mins.
@wrwlumpy I like the 8 teams from the Big 12.
But this bracket doesn't include the "try harder" team. Must be an oversight. And I guess OState can't go anywhere without Phil Forte III.
@brooksmd It is reeeeely old. 61.5 Earth Standard Years (I have been reading lots of SciFi). Puts out only one (1) Mayjay power.
@JayHawkFanToo But what Constitutional Convention are you referring to? There hasn't been one in the US since 1787. That is why I thought there was a mixup. In any event, yes, they were both racist. So was Teddy, incidentally (Republican!). Eisenhower was, too, and probably Truman, but both used the Presidency to make some major strides in racial progress. Truman: integrating the armed forces; Ike: Little Rock.
@DoubleDD "I’ve also read that in the south the Blacks were able to really have their own communities as long as they worked the farms."
There were very few universal truths about slavery, that is for sure.
Interesting aside: My wife and I bought a house way out in Virginia's Stafford County. On the 3.5 acres, there was a .5 acre set aside for a private cemetery and an easement on the edge so it could be accessed.
When we explored the overgrown cemetery, we discovered several brown flagstones upright. Most had no legible markings or only a year on them (all between 1780 and 1802). One, however, had two sets of dates, something like "1794-1806" and "1809".
I was interested in finding out more about the cemetery, including what our responsibilities were (if any) for maintaining it.I contacted the Virginia State Historical Preservation department. They had no record of a cemetery there, so they recorded it. They told me we had no special obligations, but legally we could not build in that set aside unless we went through a full published notice process to allow survivors of the buried to come forward, and then hired a funeral home to disinter and rebury in another cemetery (again, with published notice). They also said we would need to contact them so they could monitor the excavation because it was probably a slave cemetery.
We had no interest in moving it, but I did more research. It turns out that one of the major sources of information about African culture brought by African slaves to the US has been found in slave cemeteries. Slaves were not allowed to keep many of their African rituals (enforced conversion), but in Virginia it was common for slaveowners to allow slaves to continue their burial practices. Among the slaves' customs were two practices that have proven to be a boon to students of this subject. First, it was common for a decedent who had come from Africa to be buried with their dearest personal possesions, which for slaves brought here included objects brought with them from Africa--there were not many, and they were cherished. Including these in the grave was likely seen as a talisman that could guide them back to Africa. These objects have included cloth, leather objects, small artworks, and the like.
The second practice Africans were allowed to keep was likely simply to keep slave cemeteries from eating up too much land--slaves from Africa kept the African custom of burying more than one person in a single grave, often stacking them several layers high. This has resulted in, among other things, being able to study how slaves' perceptions and choices of the talismanic objects changed over time, and how much culture was passed down to offspring as they continued or discontinued the practice.
The two sets of dates on that one flagstone was probably one of these graves.
When we sold the house, our realtor wanted us to keep the cemetery a secret until closing. I disagreed, and gave the history and preservation information to the prospective buyers when they visited. The 2 teenage girls thought it was really cool, and they were hoping it was haunted.
@DoubleDD "Most blacks were sold into slavery by their own people."
Careful with this one. This alleged "fact" is often urged by people who think it somehow implicates blacks in the depopulation of Africa. Blacks participating in enslaving other blacks were paid to do so, and captured blacks of competing tribes. It stands to reason that if they couldn't find anyone, they themselves would have been taken. Or do you think the slavers would have bid them a "Cheerio!" and sailed away peacefully?There was not some type of African Slave Mall where blacks sold other blacks to whites who wandered in not knowing what they were after. Slavers were fully in charge. They built it, they ran it, and any blacks trying to survive by working in it were just puppets. Repeating this canard is no more probative of black complicity in white racism than citing Jewish trustees in a concentration camp is of alleged Jewish "cooperation" in their own proposed extermination.
And yes, North American and European shipping ran the slave trade in the 1700's and 1800's. The New England shipping industry is infamous for having become wealthy in the slave/sugar/rum trade triangle. There were really two: It started involving European ports but as the American colonies became a producer of more goods, the ships went from the Caribbean to New England to Africa. After England abolished slavery in 1807, many ships just went between Africa and the Caribbean. Spain abolished slavery in 1811, but Cuba kept it, so that route stayed.
If you haven't seen the movie 1776, you might find it enlightening (despite it being a musical). Many facts are distorted, but not the general themes. There is a song about the trade triangle and how the north had its own interest in slavery. https://m. ↗
@jaybate-1.0 Looking back, I see more bb references than I did before. Reading it, though, it seemed highly political. Might not have been your intent!
@JayHawkFanToo I think you have Andrew Jackson and Andrew Johnson confused. Andrew Johnson was Lincoln's Vice President, was from Tennessee, and ineffectively attempted to battle the Radical Republicans who did not want to pursue Lincoln's plan of moderation in Reconstruction. The Republicans are considered to have abandoned any concern with southern blacks in the Compromise of 1877 to ensure election of Rutherford Hayes.
Andrew Jackson was a despicable person but he was president decades before the Civil War. I have no clue what Constitutional Convention you are referring to. He was not involved in the US one in 1787, but he did attend as a delegate to Tennessee's in 1797. I know nothing about what he did there. That he was an iconoclastic president (who, among other things, defied Supreme Court rulings) has endeared him to our current President, who has chosen his portrait to hang in, I believe, the Oval Office.
As to the others you list, what is your point? Yes, they were Democrats, but with the shift in political ideologies during 1948 through Nixon's "Southern Strategy" of 1968, the parties have traded places on civil rights and racial sensitivity. Big deal.
You left out Hugo Black--oh, my grandfather, too. Both overcame the prejudices of their early years yo advocate for equality and justice. It would be nice if POTUS could do that, too.
DoubleDD said:
I guess my thought is where does it end? I mean Slavery has been apart of humanity since the beginning of time. It's not like America created it.
Not to mention American had one of the bloodiest wars to end it's practice.
I'm talking to you as it seems others have their minds made up and don't care for the discussion.
Here is the problem with that approach, and if you read the book I mentioned you will see: American slavery was racial in origin and legally perpetuated for 3 centuries. Almost every other country with slavery did it through conquest. Slavery was an economic status for many slaves. Many countries with slaves had major legal protections regarding their treatment. Slaves in Greece and Rome became teachers and tradesmen. Many could and did eventually buy their freedom. If any escaped, absent branding the slaves were not that different from other parts of society. Many slaves in Indian tribes became members of their captors' families and were adopted into the new tribe. Slaves' children might be born free. In many societies, slaves had an actual chance to improve their lives. Not all of these things were always true, and most slaves no doubt lived lives of pure hell, but there were many variations.
In contrast, rigid separation of blacks from whites and brutal treatment of slaves were used to implement slavery in the US from the beginning. Slaves were forbidden to learn writing and reading, and whites teaching them were punished harshly. Slave families were broken up wantonly, and children were sold with no regard for anything except what price they could bring. Blacks in the colonial era had no society they could fit into even if freed, for 99% of black were slaves. Nowhere to escape to, their race keeping them easily identifiable. While the rest of the world acted to eradicate slavery by the early to mid 19th century, American slavery continued with even harsher slave codes after the prohibition against importing slaves took effect in 1808.
Other differences aside, it is the racial component that most definitively sets American slavery apart. Some eleven million people were uprooted from their homes and shipped in sardine-like cinditions to a new world. Millions died. ( Only about 500,000 were brought to N America; the remainder, African slaves in Caribbean and S American sugar plantatons, had even more brutal lives, living on average 7 years after arrival.) No other race has ever seen such a forced mass migration or the disintegration of so much of its culture and heritage. No other race has ever done to another what European and colonial whites (including the Spanish and Portuguese) did to African blacks. Ironically, the closest is probably the Nazis treatment of Jews.
Yes, it took a war to stop slavery. A war fought mostly by whites against whites. Over 600,000 soldiers dies, and scores of thousans of civilians. Just as it took nuclear bombs to force the Japanese to abandon their society and mores, the Civil War forced the South to abandon slavery. But it did not abandon white supremacy, and the South has successfully perpetuated the Noble Cause victimization myth to keep it going today.
@DoubleDD To clarify: That was written after your answer to me where you admitted I hadn't advocated removing founders statues.
@DoubleDD I have noticed a tendency you have to attribute all the arguments anyone nationwide has made on an issue to anyone here who is trying to take a position relating to that issue. I pointed that out in the CK debate, asking you not to put words in my mouth. It is something we all have to be careful of. I am just mentioning you in this regard because it is so stark.
Here is why: Unlike some, I see the founders as flawed men. As a history major (concentration in the Civil War) I absolutely believe that the founders flaws should be noted and highlighted for they illustrate the deep-seated roots of so many problems existing today. I believe every student should be required to personally examine how the founders' lives influenced their political stances, how their beliefs intersected with their achievements,and how they kicked the fruits of their hypocrisy down the road.
It is a study in how a necessary compromise nevertheless had almost fatal results for the nation they were creating.
Incidentally, I use "hypocrisy" well aware of the fact that morality regarding, and understanding of, race was vastly different back then and that otherwise great men have held beliefs we now (most of us at least--I hope) hold abhorrent. Even so, there were many people advocating the elimination of slavery even in the colonial era, so the founders were not unexposed to more enlightened thinking. That a few freed their slaves upon their deaths (like TJ) shows their own discomfort with the institution, but that they waited until they died to do so was a reflection, I believe, of a compromise they made with their own souls to ensure personal economic stability.
Learning the entire history of race relations in the New World is something I recommend heartily. One of the best treatises I have ever read is called White Over Black, by Winthrop Jordan. It will amaze you with the cultural and social details of colonial race issues, and will probably cause you to think really deeply about how those origins still permeate all our thinking today.
@DoubleDD Have I said we should remove statues of slave owners?
@DoubleDD On Dan's link, you might have to wait a half-minute for it to load.
@DanR Actually, the antiNazi protesters did have permits. Theirs were for two nearby parks. We cannot deny that the police did a poor job of separating the groups.
Now, that might have been because the main march and rally was allowed, by court order, to take place in Emancipation Park (where the Lee statue was). It was a smaller park, and the police did not prepare there properly to anticipate and prevent the disaster we all knew was coming.
Contrary to popular belief, the city did not deny the Supremacists their permit initially; the city wanted the march and rally to be held in a large park where the city argued it could more easily prevent violence. The organizers went to court with the ACLU's help and convinced the judge that the city had not demonstrated that it was impossible to prevent problems at Emancipation Park.
I am somewhat conflicted about the ACLU's argument here, but it probably did the correct thing: There was no flat denial by the city of a permit altogether (as occurred in Skokie), but instead a denial of a particular location, with an alternate provided. Thus, free assembly was theoretically allowed. On the other hand, the Supremacists wanted to protest a particular issue that was itself centered in Emancipation Park (removal of the Lee statue there). The government is not allowed to choose among groups exercising guaranteed rights, or to render an exercise of the right meaningless, which arguably would have occurred if the rally and march were forced far from their focus.
Still, I think the city made its biggest mistake in not deploying adequately to keep the groups separate. Perhaps coordination was impossible in the short time after the court ruling, Both sides probably were perfectly happy to have it devolve into a fracas, and when that happens it is the police responsibility to anticipate and respond with adequate resources rather than to wait for all hell to break loose as seems to have occurred. The governor could easily have called out the National Guard who could have lined the roads 6 deep if necessary.
(Sorry, Dan, I got involved in writing this and it isn't all relevant directly to your post. It is related, though, and I am too lazy to try to separate it cleanly.)
There is an interesting article on the fake news site (CNN) about how Robert E. Lee opposed Confederate statues and memorials because he feared they would result in keeping the wounds of the war open. He favored obliterating all signs of the conflict.
When you live in a state like SC, as I do, where in front of the statehouse there is a statue honoring Pitchfork Ben Tillman, who as a Congressman stood in the House of Representatives and advocated lynching blacks to keep them from voting, it is hard not to see these memorials as racist symbols. Especially after it took the murders of 9 churchgoers in Charleston by a flag-draped white supremecist before the state took the Confederate flag down. And then it coupled that with a law preventing any locality from removing or altering any statue or memorial in the state without legislative permission--even ones originally erected by localities themselves. That prevents the addition of any historical plaques, and the author of that legislation chairs the committee that would consider those. He has stated again that no requests will be considered. Thus, you still have black students being stuck going to school in buildings named for Tillman and the KKK founder, Nathan Bedford Forrest, or having to enter state buildings with the name of those abject die-hard racists.
SC, where the Civil War began, had the highest ratio of slaves to whites in the country in the antebellum years, and had the most brutal slave codes. After Reconstruction, it had the strictest and most energetically enforced Jim Crow laws. 63 years after Brown v. Topeka Bd of Education, you still see the horrifying effects of the de facto segregation that has existed throughout and since the civil rights movement, including more than half the rural school districts--all just happening to be overwhelmingly black--still fighting a court battle for adequate funding that the legislature refuses to fix despite three state Supreme Court rulings. The major newspapers still print the debutante and cotillion notices for private clubs and in 11 years here I have yet to see even one black face. The major in-town country club is still whites-only, and the governor is able to remain a member with little or no criticism from his party. I live in a highly racially divided state, so that colors my thinking. Especially after the several times people (total strangers) have assumed that since I am white I agreed with them about (insert n----- or j-- word, take your pick).
Many Confederate monuments were erected in the Civil Rights era. They were a reaction to blacks finally having enough power to achieve some legal protection as they sought equality. The Confederate flag was pulled out of mothballs to make a statement to blacks: this is what we believe in, this is what we want, this is how we will keep reminding you that you will never get full equality.
@DoubleDD And, incidentally, there are a number of relatives of Lee, Jackson, and Davis who think the statues should come down.
@DoubleDD Please reread my "If...then..." statement. That was the basis for the misinformed possibility.
@mayjay Just as an aside: What percent of parents think their 19 year old kids drink alcohol? Now, what percent of 19 year olds actually do drink alcohol?
Here is an updated story from the Memphis paper, The Commercial Appeal, that allegedly has seen the police report:
NEWS
Former Memphis Tigers basketball star Dedric Lawson accused of skipping out on $88 bar tab
Yolanda Jones and Mark Giannotto | The Commercial Appeal
Updated 1 minute ago
Dedric Lawson, the former University of Memphis basketball player who transferred to play at Kansas this offseason, has been accused of walking out on a $88 bill at Bar Louie in Overton Square early Thursday morning.
A waitress at Bar Louie filed a police report alleging that Lawson was at the restaurant at 2125 Madison Avenue around 1:30 a.m. when he failed to pay the bill for food and drinks totaling $88.20.
According to the report, the waitress told police that Lawson left without paying his tab and got in a black Nissan Maxima and left.
She said that she followed him outside and recognized him because she went to high school with him, telling officers that Lawson now "plays college basketball in Kansas," according to the report. She was able to provide his phone number to police, the report said.
No charges have been filed against Lawson as police investigate the incident.
When reached by telephone for comment on Thursday, Lawson’s father, Keelon, was with his son and asked about the incident. Dedric Lawson told him, “he didn’t walk out on no bill.”
“He was at Bar Louie eating some food,” said Keelon Lawson, who previously served as an assistant coach and director of player development for the Memphis men's basketball program. “He was there with his girlfriend and his cousin and some dudes were trying to buy his girlfriend and cousin some drinks and the dudes didn’t pay for the drinks and the waitress tried to make him pay for it. So he said he’s not going to pay for some drinks because some dudes were buying drinks for some girls.”
According to Keelon Lawson, Dedric Lawson doesn’t even drink alcohol and he questioned why his 19-year-old son had even been allowed into Bar Louie.
@wrwlumpy @jaybate-1-0 This thread should be in the Politics or General Discussion. It has no real relevance to any basketball news.
@DoubleDD All I will say is that Charlottesville had the discussion, and decided to take them down. Now twice the KKK and Nazis and other white supremacist groups have come to town prepped for violence and intending to intimidate the city. This is a perfect example of outside agitators attempting to interfere with local decision-making.
If you think the marchers came to town with helmets, shields, bats, and clubs in order to have a peaceful discussion, I think you might be a bit misinformed.
@BeddieKU23 This could be interesting. Underage kid drinking alcohol? Prob not, or the bar and waitress will be in big trouble for serving him since she admits she knows him. Unless it is like one of those cases like where a drug dealer calls the police to report that someone ripped him off, and shows them his stash that has a few bags missing.
Either way, some really smart brains involved in this one. Hopefully, her accusation is false. If not, Self-storm gonna hit.
@brooksmd I do! I gotta reel good power mower!
@RockkChalkk In your day, if someone gave you a chance, even if not guaranteed, to earn millions of dollars to leave without doing college sports would you have turned it down?
This is why I think kids should be able to go through the draft and come back to school if they don't like their spot. Maybe address the Robinsons of the world by saying this is only a possibility for someone who has (1) completed a year of participation in (2) good academic standing.
@Kcmatt7 It is due to their fictional focus on making sure that the student athlete is a student first and an athlete second. Enrolling without knowing if you can play somehow means the athlete was always focused on school more than sports.
I disagree with you, though, on bias about eligibility waivers. I have seen nothing indicative of that. How they make some of those decisions is pretty opaque, but I think when there is suspicion of tampering the waiver might be less likely. Just like coaches who might grant a release but not to schools they suspect.
@DanR Ice pick?
@JayHawkFanToo To start with, when your analysis of racism starts with a discussion of black on white racism and Jesse Jackson, you immediately start losing the appearance of objectivity.
Second, my condemnation of Trump's remarks have been echoed by world leaders, both of Trump's entire CEO advisory groups, Republicans and Democrats alike, media sources left and right, and millions of Americans who are horrified to hear him equate Nazis and people protesting Nazis. Orrin Hatch made it very clear how painful it was hearing Trump since his older brother died fighting the Nazis in WWII. But you insist this is all a means for the MSM to mischaracterize Trump as racist. Yeah, right, only Fox and Rush know what is in Trump's heart.
Charlottesville can be distilled to this question: If thousands of people arrive in town and start trying to provoke fights and rioting by advocating the deaths of entire groups of people and displaying the symbols and chanting the slogans of an evil that murdered tens of millions of people, and others decide to rise to the bait, who is more responsible for the outbreak of violence? I myself would have wished that the antifa and others had chosen to ignore and isolate the white supremacists, but I am not sure that is a realistic expectation. The marchers wanted to provoke something, and they did. That there were a number of people on the other side itching for battle is no defense to the ones who wanted to spark it. I am regretful that the violence by counterprotestors played into the bigots' hands, and has served to distract people such as yourself (and the President) from the larger threat here. I am just shocked that a man with a Jewish daughter could say that there were "very fine people" among the torch carriers Friday night who were chanting Nazi slogans and calling for death to the Jews.
What happened in Charlottesville could have happened in Skokie 40 years ealier. As it turned out, the Skokie march never happened because the city of Chicago changed its stance and allowed a rally in a city park, which is what the Nazis wanted in the first place. But had they marched in Skokie, who knows if the provocation might have been successful in inciting a riot.
Finally, this has nothing to do with Obama. But you and other Trump apologists will continue to trot him out as the example of alleged MSM bias. Forget the MSM on this. Listen to your conservatives who have noticed there is a seriously disturbing trend by Trump demonstrating sympathy for the white supremacists in his base.
When David Duke finds the President's comments praiseworthy, isn't that a pretty good clue of how horrible they are?
@Crimsonorblue22 @bskeet @approxinfinity @JayHawkFanToo
This is a much more credible source.
http://www.theonion.com/graphic/baltimore-pigeons-shocked-find-beloved-shitting-st-56668 ↗
@approxinfinity Snopes has also checked out a number of their "stories".
The Fox news reporter cited, incidentally, also referred to the dead woman as having been killed by a "vigilante", implying he was privately trying to enforce the law and killed a criminal.
@BShark That and the website itself, known for being clickbait with false reports like the one about thousands of Russian troops on our borders....
Unnamed source saying the mayor ordered the police to stand down, supposedly verified by a Fox reporter whose sole evidence is that he stood outside the park and thought it looked like the police could have intervened more effectively. The only conclusion I can draw is that people who believe this stuff are grasping at straws trying to believe that the filth spewed by POTUS is related to the real world.
Edit: forgot the reference asserted as fact about The New World Order, headed by Obama, Clinton, Soros, etc.
Next thing they will be saying is that the Democrats paid the Nazis to march.
@JayHawkFanToo First time for everything! Now I can fix greater problems. For instance, I hereby pedict the sun will go out on Monday afternoon and it will take a couple minutes to reboot.
@BShark I bet Dwight had no idea he was getting into such upheaval!
@JayHawkFanToo Or maybe he'd rather be near home if he ends up not getting a waiver and has to only practice before going pro. I could not begrudge him that.
Kcmatt7 said:
@Crimsonorblue22 University of New Orleans
Not Tulane? He could practice driving to the basket past their big 8 foot foam wave mascot!
@jayballer54 Does anyone know why his godfather resigned? That was before Robinson started classes. The timing may hurt his family-ties argument.
@jaybate-1.0 In your first scenario, the smarter members of the mobs chasing the survivalists will just hang out on the fringe and help themselves to mob lunatics occasionally. Much easier to follow the mob than to beat them to the few survivalists.
@jayballer54 My stepson the Marine says that Jody is the name guys use to discuss any guy making time with a girlfriend or wife back home. I wonder if your guys have USMC backgrounds.
@kjayhawks I think if you liked our posts trying to suggest remedies for his lawnmower, you would really get a kick out of perusing some of the recommended home remedies for something like jock itch on WEBMD.com and sites like that. Man, the things people are willing to do to themselves! And elsewhere, on other ailments, it actually gets dangerous when people tell each other to stop medications or add homeopathic remedies to their Rx regimen.
Danger also happens on YouTube for home repair, where I once saw a video on changing out a ceiling light fixture. It started with, "Make sure the power is off by turning off the wall switch. You will need to do this while the light bulb is still in the socket so you can make sure the switch is off." No mention of the circuit breaker....
@RockChalkinTexas Congrats on retirement! & make sure you get eclipse glasses for the partial phase. They are expecting up to 700,000 visitors to this area for the whole thing. Major zoo on the highways. Probably the same in KS so allow plenty of time. We are expected to have up to 70% cloud cover and pop-up thunderstorms so it might be a big "nothingburger" here....
@DanR Inflation is bad. I learned that in Economics.
@kjayhawks Sure, and while you are having them laugh about that, go ahead and entertain them with the story of how my Toyota certified mechanic sheared off the tops of 3 locking lug nuts during my last tire rotation, and how Monroe Equipment's mechanic somehow actually installed blades for a 42" mower on a 46" cutting deck, or how my Honda arrived from the factory without some mechanic connecting the A/C drain or any other mechanic noticing it?
Maybe some other stories about three separate HVAC companies' mechanics offering to fix my gas pack furnace by replacing a variety of things costing between $600 and $1400 such as 2 control boards, a heat exchanger, and a gas manifold, while a 4th actually burned the entire wiring harness after deciding a $130 pressure valve was the problem before deciding it wasn't? It turned out to be rust on the manifold that my 5th mechanic brushed off in 2 minutes at no charge.
Look, my point isn't that I think all mechanics are incompetent or useless. I just think that it is very rude to be so dismissive of amateurs' attempts to think of things it might have been. I don't make snide comments about you or other nonlawyers commenting on legal issues like contracts, but I try to clarify what the issues are as I see them. Maybe you think nonmechanics (who he called on, in the first post) are not deserving of respect. You could have explained how any of our thinking was misdirected, but instead you threw out some dirt.
@Hawk8086 Careful with Jennifer. She is still looking to have kids. Have her sign some waivers before you accept any drinks from her.
Maybe for all teams who have never won a tourney game?