@brooksmd Bubba, Bubba! Starling, please!
mayjay
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BeddieKU23 said:
The question I have still is; was Ball worth the 2nd pick if he's never going to be a dynamic scorer?
Yes, if they assemble the right team around him and end up winning a title or two. No, if someone behind him ends up being a franchise changing player like MJ and LA goes hungry.
The jury is always out on draft picks.
@Crimsonorblue22 He has played in 4 or 5. A couple more to go, then the tournament. Then he plays for KU in Italy. After that, in late August and early September, he plays for the Ukrainian team in a FIBA Euro tournament taking place in Israel and I think another country.
Svi is definitely going to come back with some major experience this fall. Hope it proves helpful!
(This is all discussed in a Gary Bedore article in that newspaper you have, I believe, sworn never to read.... thus, I have not included a link.)
brooksmd said:
@Crimsonorblue22 Your Marlins man is at CWS, just to left of plate.
Sounds fishy to me.
@jaybate-1.0 Unfortunately, a "pull up jumper" becomes something to wear in the old folks home rather than a basketball play
@approxinfinity I used to be good at dribbling. Now, over 60, I seem to be better at drooling.
Maybe @jaybate-1-0 read this article, that says Mason never played PG before KU. Saw himself as a "scoring guard", which makes his KU achievements all the more noteworthy.
Fascinating list.
Question: What do Cliff, Cole, Wilt, Nick, Jeff, Tarik, and Darrin have in common?
Hint: Sasha and Julian could have joined them by not trying just one of those missed field goals...
Yet another interesting note: of the 7 teams the Royals played in the postseasons of 14-15, only Houston is not in last, or next to last, place in their divisions.
A recent (May) article on UNC recruiting.
That Michigan team in the sweet 16 in 2013 was pretty talented. At least 6 players have played in the NBA, including all the starters, and most of them have done pretty well. (McGary (sp?) blew his career to drugs: trying to recover from the "shot felt round the world"?) 3 of the Wolverines have averaged double figures.
@jayballer54 That pitch was almost closer to a pickoff throw to 3rd! He made a cool gesure like shooting a basketball on his way back to home plate afterwards, as if saying, "Hey, I play hoops, not this!"
Wouldn't it be funny if by some quirk he latched on with them? He could give Josh grief about what could have been...
Have to enroll in a chem lab for that.
@JayHawkFanToo "…how soon before they start renting the rooms by the hour…"
Maybe after that the next step will be hiring Andre McGee for recruiting, and then they can recoup a little of that booster cash expended on NoTell Motels off-campus.
@Crimsonorblue22 Wow, brilliant, what could possibly go wrong with this idea?
@JayHawkFanToo Something encouraging to me about his chances going forward is that HCBS went to the draft supporting him all the way, and JJ specifically talked about how much this meant to him. If he were hiding latent thug tendencies, I don't see Self investing himself in JJ's future so visibly. And I figure Self and the rest of the staff know him best.
@Kcmatt7 Interesting. I remember the last guy (Peterson) was thoroughly (and deservedly, in my mind) trashed by the media by the time he left. Good thing for Dayton he got the Royals rebuilt after those years of disappointment. The buddy-buddy relationships between team execs and local media seems to have become much more rare in this era of blogs, rumors, and tweets "reporting" every dissatisfaction expressed anywhere in a team organization.
Any comments from our knowledgeable Chiefs fanbase? I am not too familiar with how Dorsey ran things. Anyone have ideas on how this shakes out?
http://cjonline.com/sports/chiefs/2017-06-22/chiefs-fire-john-dorsey-extend-andy-reid-s-contract ↗
Some 18 posts ago it was suggested we are beating a dead horse.
Now, we are making glue.
@approxinfinity, can you PLEASE end this? Minds are made up.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@mayjay he's losing his hair
Rogaine, then. Plus he needs that big dog cone around his neck to train him to stop pulling on his hair. A newspaper swat across the snout might be too much for him, but I reserve the right to direct one to Grayson.
approxinfinity said:
@BShark Whats your take on Kennard?
Best hair product endorsement possibilities.
@KUSTEVE I still think he could, if used properly, play 4 positions on the court, creating havoc for defenses. But coaches and GMs, especially for the teams who have earned high draft picks, get stuck in their own conservatism. They will wish he was taller as a forward, a better shooter as a wing, and more disciplined with the ball if acting as point forward or guard. So I would pick him #1 but he might go as low as 5 if trades influence order.
@JayHawkFanToo Maybe Boeheim is just speaking from experience ... "Well, I know what a guilty person looks like because I look in the mirror every day, and Rick doesn't look at all like me."
Just a little suggestion: In the military judicial system, after a conviiction has been handed down (regardless of whether the accused pled guilty), the formalities proceed to sentencing. The prosecution can present evidence showing "aggravation" to justify a severe sentence (extensive treatment needed for injuries of a victim, for example, or prior criminal record of the perp). Defense can present evidence in "extenuation or mitigation" in an effort to get a lighter sentence (good prior character, for example, or diminished mental capacity). Civilian courts do much the same, but don't usually seem to have such formal categories for it.
If Calvert McK did anything in the bar or elsewhere to help provoke an incident, it would be considered as a type of extenuation evidence--i.e., it could be offered as an explanation for how a group of people got caught up in mutually provocative stuff until it resulted in the crime at issue. Explanation hoping to show it was a unique circumstance, but not justification.
If JJ's beating and kicking of the car occurred in concert with other people doing the same thing, or if Calvert felt personally threatened by the attack, that would be something considered as aggravation. Not a separately charged crime, but a circumstance justifying consideration that this was significantly more severe than, say, a one-time frustrated ramming of an unoccupied car with a shopping cart causing the same damage.
My point is this: if you want to consider one, you have to consider the other. People defending JJ because of how it developed need to acknowledge that he took it way beyong anything she provoked. People pointing out how scared she may have been need to consider the legitimacy of arguments showing that she certainly displayed aggressive conduct, too, and might not have been scared at all.
But the attacks based on what other people are urging to be considered should stop. Both sides have valid points. The moral high ground is not occupied by anyone here.
I personally doubt that JJ turns out to be a Ron Artest, and chokes his coach or goes after a fan. But all draft choices are risky, as are any choices where we align our fortunes with others.
Can we get back to acting like we are all fans of the same team?
@Kcmatt7 What is rcp? Rock Chalk Park?
@jaybate-1.0 Every once in awhile, people aren't being argumentative but simply seeking info. I, too, was wondering if you had seen anything for the 10 mil figure. It was worth inquiring about because that would be a total comp package about, I think, two or three times what is usually discussed. Among other things, it would make KU's coach unapproachable, and that is worth knowing.
@brooksmd Really weird: Every team in the American league is within 5.5 games in the WC race, but no team in the Nat'l is less than 8 games behind the leaders.
@KUSTEVE Is there a side that doesn't try to spread their dogma? Remember John Birch Society bookstores?
@Kcmatt7 I understand that. I just remember the sports news being more mixed. But I agree it has always set people off. Sports Illustrated always has gotten raked for reporting on any athletes activism.
The events themselves certainly see more. I blame Howard Cosell and the three man booth. And everyone's desperate need in a game to make sure no silence goes unpunished.
@nuleafjhawk Let the first post stay on your screen. A pic will appear.
@DoubleDD I really, really, really hope she feels the same way...all things considered.
Just make sure she considers you to be the right caliber man. And, I would be extraordinarily cautious if she mentions any issues that are trigger points with her.
As to trolls: They never go away. Tolkien lied in "The Hobbit": even sunshine doesn't kill 'em.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I think if I was someone else in your house (not the intruder) I would hear that and know it was a good time for fingers in my ears!
Sports and politics have been mixed since Roman politicians bought the masses' votes with ever more elaborate spectacles in the Colisseum. Refusing to let blacks play professional sports until the 40s: politics. Complaints about Jewish players and owners: politics. Segregation mandating Wilt not stay at the same hotel as the rest of the Jayhawks in the 1957 NCAA tourney in KC: vicious politics. Denying Muhammad Ali a pacifist exemption because he was an outspoken black man: politics. US boycotting 1980 Olympics, and getting boycotted ourselves 4 years later: international politics. Financing ridiculously expensive stadiums so that rich owners can get even more revenue: politics run amuck, and, in Atlanta, more than a little corruption. Even now, baseball putting on patriotic displays actually financed secretly by the Pentagon: that is politics, too.
Forget whether you agree or disagree with any particular viewpoint involved in these examples, because that is not my point. Just remember that any public activity that attracts the attention of hundreds of millions of readers, viewers, and fans is going to inevitably be something that lends itself as a forum to someone wanting to make a point about something.
A President inviting a championship team to the White House has always been about politics--no President can resist the feel-good photo opportunity of hangin' with the winners. I recall athletes declining invitations based on political views when Obama was president--no reason to be so disgusted when it goes against someone you might like. It is just par for the course. Politics and sports, always marching together hoping to catch the public's attention.
@JayHawkFanToo Oops! Writing too fast. And you obviously know the intricasies better than I do.
Perhaps you can yell me what the deal was with Sasha Kaun, whom I had been thinking of as an example. The Sonics (now Thunder) drafted him late in the 2nd round, then sold the draft rights to Cleveland. Played many years in Russia or Europe under a couple of successive contracts. Then came back to USA and signed with Cleveland for one year. Was his signing with Cleveland unrelated to them having obtained his draft rights years earlier? Could he have signed as a free agent anywhere? Or, if he never told them he was coming back, did they have rights to him forever?
@JayHawkFanToo I was really referring to a different practice, that being where teams with high payrolls sign (edit: draft) foreign players in the 2nd round whom they never intend to sign so that they don't have payroll problems. But I was ignoring that they often intend to trade away the rights to these players for future draft picks, thus deferring their potential payroll problems into the future.
@jayballer54 You could try boiling little leftover bits of soap and molding them into new bars. I can't get it to work like they show in internet videos.
@jayballer54 There is still hope for you. It can be found under the dictionary entry for "humor, as in, sense of"! All in fun, Bronx Bomber!
@Fightsongwriter Interesting question. I would say that the NCAA has the say on when someone drafted has to decide to return to school, but the NBA has to be the one to decide how long before a draft pick expires.
I have no problem with draft picks proving worthless. If teams are not going to draft someone under any circumstances, they should say so. Teams now are drafting and stashing to avoid conflicts with their current rosters, often leaving players in foreign limbo for years.
The biggest problem for colleges with my barely thought-out idea is if a kid decides to go back to school and changes his mind to sign with his drafting team in, say, September. So, the NBA might have to rule that draft picks expire as soon as a kid makes his choice to return, and then that player cannot be signed either at all, or until the next college season is finished.
Obviously, greater minds than my own would have to work out these and many other kinks. My bottom line is simply that kids should retain eligibility despite being drafted if they don't sign.
@jayballer54 The best part in reading your numerous posts was how you thought you got under MY skin! I am a happy Royals fan from their inception, but cannot be called a homer since I live in SC. You are only a bandwagon fan of the Yankees due to brainwashing occasioned by overexposure to evil influences as a child.
@jayballer54 How does a kid born in the 50's in Kansas become a lifelong Yankees fan except by jumping on a bandwagon? Televised more often than any other team, center of all national newspaper coverage, more money than King Midas... still true, that last one.
Yankees fans should actually be dismayed that with payrolls of 300 to 500 million, they haven't won a helluva lot more. Mickey Mantle's teams won as many titles (7) as the Yankees have since 1962. 7 titles in 55 years (with 4 coming in a 5 year stretch ending in 2000) is great, and better than other teams, but hardly the stuff of which Yankee pride was born.
The bandwagon used to be filled with WS trophies. Now, it is filled with just an occasional rise to the top--surpassed in this century by the Giants and the hated Red Sox with 3 each, and the Cardinals with 2.
Since 2000, the Royals are playing even with the Yankees in titles with 1 each. (The Yankees have, however, lost one more WS than the Royals have.)
Yankees bandwagon is like a restored Cadillac from years past--it will gather a number of accolades, and pick up a few hitchhikers desperate to associate themselves with class from a bygone era, but it isn't nearly as road-worthy as all that compared to all the money put into it. And a lot more people despise it as a well-displaced symbol of arrogance and corrupt influence.
It is a good approach when teammates are playing each other. Teaches them to play through contact, and to not stop playing hoping for a foul call. And I suspect it is kept less threatening to long-term health by appropriate retaliation, -- er, uh, peer "review."
@JayHawkFanToo That is a MLB model. I am just proposing one thing solely within the control of college basketball, which is the group doing the complaining.
I think it would solve every problem by simply doing something no one has proposed. Let kids enter the draft and regardless of whether or not they are drafted, let them return to school if they don't sign. If they don't sign, the draft pick is forfeited and the kid can enter next year.
Teams won't want to risk their picks on players who are not ready, and players who aren't drafted aren't booted out of college due to a gamble that turned out unwise.
Why does the NCAA punish players who want to explore their worth by making them risk losing an entire education before they get any answers? I admit that the new combine/declare-and-withdraw system helps, but it still is all or nothing. Why not let kids see their standing in stark B&W, and decide with real information instead of just the informal evaluations given now pre-draft?
There is no legitimate reason for the NCAA not to adopt this change, and if it really gave a crap about "student" athletes, it would do so. Yes, coaches would have to wait a few more weeks for certainty, but they are free to institute their own no-return policies if it is that important.
The NCAA has a stranglehold on the kids. I would love to see it loosened.
@approxinfinity Wrong thread?!
@REHawk I keep getting "You have been selected..." or "Android virus on your phone!" alerts every time I am on the LDJ site on my phone for longer than about 3 minutes. Annoying, to say the least. No other site does it repeatedly, and it doesn't matter if I clear my cache or cookies.
@BShark I took it off 247 that showed his current status as a Jayhawk, but maybe it was a stat page from mid-year (I hate these "historical pages" that have other up-to-date sections). Mea culpa!
Like yours better!