@Texas-Hawk-10 Dedrick won his freshman year, KJ the next. He had a medical redshirt after the 10 game year, and had not played in any conference games at all (I believe) (edit: 1 conf game--credit @BShark).
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@AsadZ Not a seller's market there, unfortunately. One of the really nice guys, but gets lit more than anyone would want.
Meanwhile, the latter 2/3 of our once impregnable HDH combo is saving games right and left in the National League. I really wish the Royals would have taken a chance on Holland and aggressively kept him rather than playing this up/down/ game with Omaha pitchers.
@BShark How do players win conference rookie of the year awards like KJ did if they aren't any good?
@jaybate-1.0 And Feathers was awesome just by her lone self!
@jaybate-1.0 I appreciated Ricky Nelson's performance this time much more than I have in the past. Still cannot get over how the first dynamite blast was about 5 feet from where the stick Walter Brennan threw actually landed. Incidentally, can a gunshot ignite dynamite?
@jaybate-1.0 Was that Rio Bravo? Watched it yesterday!
@JayHawkFanToo We used to work really hard to get "thus" into legal analyses.
@jaybate-1.0 Rock chalk backatcha!
@jaybate-1.0 My understanding may be asymmetrical and therefore my opinion uninformed.... Actually, I missed the first few times you used the term in discussing recruiting, etc, so I am not sure how it extends to things like media coverage. So, I gracefully (or not) bow out lest I get in over my head. Like now!
@mayjay2 was my asymmetric alter-ego created when our profiles got zapped. :cowboy:
@wrwlumpy Fantabulous pictures!
I thought Italy was in August?
Despite a couple years of exposure, I have never understood your meaning of asymmetric, so I wasn't speaking to that. Sorry!
@jaybate-1.0 Tens of thousands of minor intervening events and a few hundred major events, and a few catastrophic events, such as 9/11, plus all the current events, plus the dilution of media channels by exponential factors, are the reason historical events tend to be accorded less attention.
Others, as always, can speak with more knowledge, but perhaps coming to basketball camps could constitute an official visit, and maybe those visits cannot occur in certain circumstances? Possibly, also, coming to a camp they would be getting coached by the staff, which I think canot be done. Don't they only engage in pickup games when on a visit?
These are reasons why we always think it is unfair when Cal and Coach K get to coach those USA Basketball players--it is an exposure to a coach and his methods players cannot get during recruiting alone.
@justanotherfan
Your patience is a marvel.
To your own experience, I would add the numerous studies of hiring practices that revealed, despite presenting identical resumes, people with "black-sounding" names were offered interviews dramatically less often than "white-sounding" or "neutral" names. The same has occurred with online loan applications. Similarly, Consumer Reports' current issue reports that "redlining" is still practiced in auto insurance: people living in heavily minority communities are charged higher rates than drivers in nearby white-majority communities even when the risks are demonstrably higher in the latter.
I don't ascribe to the theory that is ranted about by HEM (white males are the source of all evil), but one undeniable fact stands out to me: the system wasn't created by women or minorities, and it wasn't minorities closing schools in the 50's to avoid other races, or trying to prevent other people from voting from the 60's through today, or lynching Emmitt Till and thousands of others, or framing the Scotsboro kids, or any of a zillion other examples of violent or legal efforts to preserve a racial hierarchy.
But now we are hearing the sobs of anguish over the plight of the alleged victims of efforts to guarantee equal rights. Oh, brother.... How many whites would trade their kids' race?
Keep up the good fight.
@BShark
Chalmers: "Nobody--no one guy is bigger than the program. That's the mindset you've gotta have coming here."
Listening, newbies and future recruits?
@Crimsonorblue22 Might be a few classic Withey blocks and accompanying stankface (I remembered it this time!).
@KirkIsMyHinrich Crimson team big, unless they play no defense...
@jaybate-1.0 I think the 70th anniversary was the climax in recent remembrance at least, and we are in the denouement. For the current generation, the invasion was an important event--they just don't know it as well as those of us who grew up with it fresh.
@justanotherfan HEM refuses to notice that he is not just arguing with me. That stalwart liberal @JayHawkFanToo carefully delineated what was sexist about the elpoyo questioning early in this thread, but HEM wants to believe it is an argument he can bully into submission with his rants against liberals, and me in particular. In fact, he has never acknowledged the existence of any of the numerous posts that have attempted to discuss the merits, including your own direct rebuttals to his assertions. And now I am dishonest?
Which reminds me, I need to find a brick wall to see if I can keep beating my head against it longer than I can keep up this frustrating education self-torture.
@HighEliteMajor Sorry, snowflake, for offending you by pointing out that questioning someone's accomplishments literally means suggesting that the recipient is not worthy. Ask any woman with professional achievements if she agrees with you, or with us. I'll wait.
My wife works at a VA hospital and I volunteered there. The WWII and Korea vets alway seem to be the kindest and gentlest, and most appreciative of any help given.
I saw stuff around here, but SC is a military-reliant state and Columbia is right next to Ft Jackson, which incidentally celebrated its 100th anniversary.
http://www.thestate.com/news/state/south-carolina/article154549574.html ↗
@jaybate-1-0 I googled "D Day" and hit the News tab. Try it, and go through several pages of links. You will find that there were all types of articles, shows, and tv news segments about D Day nationally and in local media. Many are focused on the fewer and fewer survivors of the invasion. Others seem focused on "little known" aspects. But it hasn't been forgotten.
Every year on June 6, of course, "Peanuts" still runs Charles Schulz's heartfelt tribute showing Snoopy slogging past the beach barricades in the Normandy surf.
@wrwlumpy And why do the opinions of the players matter, anyway? They obviously only extolled her because she is a woman.
@ParisHawk Ah, I see. Everything I have written about the "question" was about the initial comment and his own follow-up. Not that it prevented HEM from unleashing on me for daring to question his logical fallacy.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Some good points. I remembered the James thing wrong: he actually thought about entering the draft as a junior in HS, and that was what would have required a challenge to the NBA draft rule of waiting until a player graduated HS. Stern wanted to impose an age limit (20 yrs old) in the late 90's after the half season debacle, but got nowhere.
As for antitrust, it is not the same for all sports. MLB has a unique exemption created by the Sup Ct in 1922, where the court ludicrously exempted baseball from antitrust on the grounds that it is an exhibition or entertainment, not a monopoly. Basketball and football are exempt, according to the courts that have considered challenges, primarily because all the issues that have been raised have been deemed to be subject to collective bargaining. The unions by agreeing to CBAs perpetuate their members inability to raise antitrust issues. That is why the unions have both decertified at times--to take disputes out of labor law and into antitrust, which would apply were there no CBA. They always cave, though, when the owners cough up something they want, especially stuff like free agency.
The baseball exemption is the iffy one for owners and that is why they don't want to ever let the issue go back for review of that 1922 ruling. That is also, I think, why the players union in mlb is the strongest union in sports--its existence preserves the owners "exhibitions".
@wissox "Scott Drew would not be mocked on these pages if he had a resume like that."
Just for fun: Oh, sure he would! People here even still mock Coach K! And, Scotty is such an inviting target. I believe he will always be mocked at KU for pulling his players from the pregame to avoid the video, regadless of his successes.
Now, speaking of mocked coaches, if Squeaky got a new haircut and started sounding like James Earl Jones or, say, Sam Elliott, would we still mock him? Yes! It is way too much fun!
If Doug Gottlieb became a coach and won 23 straight championships, don't you think we would still call out "Pants on backwards!" every chance we got?
As for Matta, I never had much opinion about him. Not in the Big 12, and he isn't the only coach to whine after losing to the Jayhawks. Maybe I missed a mocking opportunity?
@ParisHawk Not quite true. Here is what I am referring to, the immediate jump to gender speculation in his first post:
"i don’t really get what the hoopla is about Hudy? she’s a female??? is that it??? are our guys really that much stronger and athletic than the rest of the big 12? don’t need hudy to do that. but when compared the ncaa, not really. Oregon proved clearly otherwise.
"What exactly has she done that has given her this status? outside of her being a female in mens college bbal program?"
While he provides some discussion of reasons for not thinking she has done a good job, he only posits her being a woman as a reason for her "hoopla".
@HighEliteMajor The question is anything but harmless, and I am surprised you think asking a question that so devalues someone is a legitimate inquiry. Implying that someone has obtained recognition solely because of gender is no different than questioning if a promotion was simply because of race, or religion. It is insulting, and marginalizes all efforts to let everyone compete equally.
Turn it around--do you think you have gotten to your position in life solely due to factors other than your work? Wouldn't you resent it if any time you achieved something your race and the advantages it brings with it were cited as the reason? Some people on the opposite end of the spectrum from you discount all comments from whites as being made from "privilege"--doesn't that seem dumb? Why is this skepticism that Hudy's recognition must be gender-related any different?
A woman should be able to be honored and lauded without being required to prove that she really deserves it. That is an anchor that won't be cut loose until people lose that mindset that there is something fraudulent about a woman achieving in male-dominated professions.
Texas Hawk 10 said:
People may not agree with the NBA raising their age minimum, but there is nothing illegal about an organization setting requirements to gain entry intro their profession.
Actually, there can be something illegal about an industry-enacted barrier or qualification if it violates antitrust and monopoly laws (restraint of trade), or involves a major impediment to entry into field not rationally related to the qualifications for a position, or (much less often) if a collective bargaining unit is determined to be acting as an agent of or colluding illegally with the industry rather than repping the employees. These are very fluid concepts, with lots of technical considerations I am not currently well-versed in, and these rules get reinterpreted constantly. I have no firm idea where the NFL and NBA parameters are. But baseball has a specific court-recognized exemption from antitrust laws. Other sports leagues have been challenged, or threatened, with antitrust suits. Originally, the NBA prohibited entry until a HS senior's graduating class was 4 years out, which is why Wilt spent a year with the Globetrotters after leaving KU as junior. That rule fell after legal challenges because the NBA has no exemption like baseball. (I believe I have read that Lebron was seen as a test case back in the early 00's because he was clearly ready for the NBA, and I believe the league waited until he was a pro to enact the OAD rule so they wouldn't lose a high-profile challenge. I cannot guarantee the accuracy of this recollection.)
Bottom line, a TAD rule will likely face legal challenges that will examine whether it irrationally restricts entry into pro basketball.
I have no idea how such a rule would fare, but the courts historically tend to be leery of barriers that exist for one class of entrants (here, US high school students) while allowing another group (foreign players). Few players coming out of high school can afford the cost, delays, or bad reputation to undertake a years long challenge to the current OAD rule. A TAD rule might be more prone to objection.
BeddieKU23 said:
FIRE HUDY. she's clearly causing injuries and is responsible for the shortfalls of this team.
And now her gender is causing dissension on this Board! See what happens when you let 'em out of the kitchen?
I think it is funny that the troll being fed and fed again wasn't the chicken guy!
@elpoyo Okay, you asked. Try to follow along.
Obviously, we can't know what sets her apart. But this is national recognition as an elite by her peers. And previously she won the highest award in her field.
ASSuming that you are not in the field, and thus are not qualified to make any judgment or to question those who decided this award, your comment reveals it is based solely on your attitudes that you speculate that this is just because she is a woman. And THAT is why it is a trolling question.
Let me know if a light bulb eventually comes on. We have had them since the 19th century, where your biases apparently still reside.
@kjayhawks Should have drafted Watson! They need that "Win" attitude.
@HighEliteMajor Now, let me add that I have no connections to the area anymore, and live in SC. If I had to interact with MU people all the time, I concede I might be more excited about smashing their dreams on a yearly basis.
@HighEliteMajor "I think the focus should be what it does for us."
Good point. And, for those of us who say the answer is "Nothing!" the conclusion is simple.
@HighEliteMajor Now, that is funny!
@HighEliteMajor I never heard the word "oaf" used except to mean a clumsy, uncoordinated person. So, I don't think this is a PC reaction choosing the insulting definition of a word that could have several well-known meanings, or one that used to be considered okay but is now sensitive to some ("handicapped", for example). If it has a positive basketball connotation, I have never heard of it, but am willing to accept that from the ballers on here.
@HighEliteMajor I love extending analogies! But in this case, I think it is more similar to a wedding where the drunk philandering ex-husband keeps trying to give hugs to all the ex-wife's relatives, and can't understand the looks of disgust he gets. And, yeah, no one is comfortable with trying to force everyone into group pictures. Especially the happy couple!
@HighEliteMajor said "Maybe time to … slowly … let … it … go."
I have let it go. That is why, since there is no longer a rivalry among conference companions, I only think about this when someone gets all energized about playing them.
Your analogy about a betrayed spouse is a really good one: excellent, in fact. But I don't see KU as the embittered victim chain-smoking and guzzling in a dark bar while reliving the injury and bemoaning the betrayer.
Instead, I see KU as the spouse who goes on to live a great life, building excitement and spreading goodwill everywhere we go. MU is the spouse who walked out, finds out it is cold and lonely out there, and wants to leech off what KU has created while whining that KU is being vindictive for having the temerity to ignore their pitiful entreaties.
I would be happy to beat them if we were to play them, but I see no point in playing them, so I am happier beating them by just letting them stew and simmer in their petty jealousies.
@jaybate-1.0 What I read was that almost all states with an existing university chose after the 1862 Morrill Act to establish new schools with the envisioned dedicated programs in agriculture and mechanics. There could have been some anti-KU animus in Kansas's case, but we weren't dominating the Big 12 in bb yet, so I would guess it was probably just a similar result to what other states chose--to get a second major college.
I finally figured it out: Svi wants that free trip to Italy, and will have yet more opportunity to showcase his talents for a career in Euroball if the NBA doesn't work out! Great strategy!
Leaves, and joins Perry in Australia.
JhwkrRedLegs said:
Agree on Bragg, and now he picks a party school, AzState, as a place to try to get serious
Matbe he is going to a school where the partying kids can teach him how to handle it better!
@JhwkrRedLegs Maybe this Venn diagram has blurry borders on its circles as programs shift in and out.
@brooksmd Nope. Financial aid includes all categories: loans, grants, scholarships, and work study.
I believe some schools with huge endowments, like Princeton, are increasing their grants to lessen the loan burden students have been assuming. But this article about Emory just says they are giving these students "institutional loans" to make up any difference, not increasing direct grants.
@BeddieKU23 I am sure Self privately inquired around to ensure Dwight would have opportunities before his decision was announced.