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@approxinfinity And does HEM get paid surreptitiously by the military for playing the anthem and having sponsored patriotic celebrations every game?

Every totalitarian state in history has coerced kneeling, oaths, or salutes from its subjects, and drastically punished independence of expression. How on earth can any American support doing it here? What good does it do? Aldous Huxley, George Orwell, and Sinclair Lewis are all spinning in their graves, weeping while crying, "We tried to warn you!"

@jaybate-1.0 I took all my meds, thank you, but mine are not to prevent lunatic verbal assaults on entire groups of people just because they are of different color or political bent. If I rant, it is really still just the medicated me.

@JayHawkFanToo You missedvthe salient point: a parent "shopping" his kid will be deemed an agent. Period. And the kid will know that. So, if the parent accepts money, it will be imputed to be money to the agent to steer the kid.

Now, if a kid can prove he had no clue his parent was even representing him, well, maybe you have got something there.

@kjayhawks Privilege in this usage doesn't mean having money, or things, or a good job, or education, or anything you are focused on. It means that you can walk into virtually any store or building in the country and no one will think twice. A black American is immediately under suspicion.

The real lesson of your stories is how economic level is a weird factor in racial relations. Poverty affects many more whites in total in this country than blacks, yet poor whites have allowed themselves to be deluded into thinking it is in their interest to continue supporting rich whites. Poor whites and poor blacks should be banding together, but TPTB continue to successfully turn the two groups against each other.

Someone's prescription needs refilling.

@jayballer73 Your name is apparent both in the past here for those who remember, and on the LJW posts. A certain style you use is unique.

Plus, I think you posted it awhile back in discussing whether you knew someone, or had lived somewhere, or something like that.

@JayHawkFanToo That was really hard to do!

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I wonder if it is the role of the guardian that could make a difference in SDS's case. Guardians have fiduciary duties under legal guidelines--violating those (by skimming, self-dealing, etc) is a breach of a legal duty. If SDS did not know, he could be the real victim. In contrast, parents can act pretty much however they want as they see their kids "best interests". Lots of celebrity kids have sued for emancipation from financially abusive parents who were their business managers, but I don't think that simply profiting from your unknowing kid's talents involves a breach of a legal trust in the same way it would for a guardian. The NCAA could decide that it is too hard to determine if a kid knows about a parent's activity but that a kid is relatively unlikely to be included in a fraudulent guardian's schemes.

In otber words, the NCAA might be willing to let a kid take the consequences for a parent's actions, but not for someone who is abusing a formal role by illegally (or at least extra-legally) profiting from that role. When a parent is also involved, it would be more complicated.

The NCAA could decide to make eligibility contingent on severing a guardian's relationship, just as they make schools sever boosters who commit violations.

All speculation here. There is only one certainty in my mind--we will never know the details because it will be investigated in secret and decided by agreements made behind closed doors.

@jayballer73 You have had enough to deal with lately. So it has to work out okay!

@JayHawkFanToo Organizations are bound in their internal adjudications by their promulgated rules and policies. If they follow their own rules fairly, they can do what they want. If they change the rules with new policies properly adopted under their procedures (notice, etc), their membership has no claim to use prior discarded precedent.

Of course, precedent means squat in real courts, too. No law requires the Supremes to adhere to stare decisis.

@JayHawkFanToo As previously noted, the NCAA has stated that the Newton approach will not be the rule in the future--kid will be held responsible regardless of lacking actual knowledge when a family member solicits and receives money.

Kcmatt7 said:

@HighEliteMajor Intent, maybe? If someone is trying to commit fraud but gets caught before it actually happens, is what they did illegal?

I'm seriously asking, I have no idea.

Absolutely. Had a chance to argue a related issue in front of 3 judges one time, and was lucky to escape with my skin (even though they both specified the issue and called for argument). Getting caught may prevent completion of the crime but that still leaves you guilty of attempted fraud.

@justanotherfan Great idea to enhance KU's popularity in fb, since other conferences' teams would have a massive battle vying for the chance to play us!

@jayballer73 You apparently know how to stretch a budget!

@JAYHAWKFAN214 @BShark Did 247 ever announce the new writer referenced in April?

@approxinfinity It is a little small, and we kind of like more garage space, plus there isn't enough space for my books. Hope the guy selling is trying to move up to something a little classier for a Jayhawk fan.

@jayballer73 I was crossing a street with friends in downtown Chicago in 1979 when a guy went running by us and three cops jumped into the crosswalk facing me with their revolvers facing right in my direction. Almost needed an underwear change, but 2 seconds later we realized we had walked by some barricades right into the middle of a crew filming a police movie or tv show. We heard someone say, "Shit!" and scurried out of there fast.

Glad you are ok.

@DoubleDD "He actually does what he says he’d going to do."

I have to say, you seem to have a filter about DT. Did you forget his promise to release his tax returns?

I will independently agree to follow your lead. I don't collude with nobody nohow.

Now we know from Putin, through Trump, that the Russians weren't involved either.

Damn, then who did do all that crap that even top Republicans say happened?

"No evidence of Russian attempts to influence the election despite the unanimous agreement of US intel agencies" was the refrain from the admin in 2017.

The new refrain is a bit more limited. And just wait, Roger Stone admits he is in the cross hairs.

@Crimsonorblue22 Yet another excellent reason to not do yard work!

Ephesians 4:22-24 New International Version (NIV)
22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

@Crimsonorblue22 But 100% shooter on undefended buzzer beater layups in a blowout!

I remember the KUinLA post because I drafted a long reply demonstrating Turgeon's poor history of getting past the second round. Then I deleted it because, well, what the hell, it was KUinLA after all, so who gave a rat's patootie?

@justanotherfan KU would really be great if debate was a revenue producer....

HighEliteMajor said:

Please let us be a spring board; please let us be a spring board; please let us be a spring board.

Ah, if we could just be a springboard in the tradition of Miami, Ohio: HOF coaches Sid Gillman, Woody Hayes, Ara Paraseghian, Bo Schembechler all cut their chops there.

Reading this thread, I am reminded of what Billy Packer (one of my least favorite commentators) once said:

"I may be wrong, but I am never uncertain."

jayballer73 said:

KUSTEVE said:

I wanted to see if anyone wanted to argue about the color of the sky...my faith has been restored...lol.

I'll argue lol- - just for shits and grins lol - -when you wanna start - -I'll say it's Blue & gray lol

No, the day begins with a crimson and blue dawn, goes to blue all day long, and then the sun sets with crimson and blue, too. Clearly, this is a KU world!

@BShark Huh? HEM and I have never had any disputes ever about anything. We are the least disputatious pair on the Board!

The next thread in which I am hoping to follow back and forth disputationness is the one about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

@Crimsonorblue22 My stepson, D-in-L, and grandkids land here in Columbia in 3 hrs after flying from Hawaii! Three weeks, including 5 day drive to Disney World. Big pool parties planned--and the ?#!^%%#% kitchen is finally done!

Although we may view with dismay the fragmentation in our country, let's still all remember that millions have fought, and over a million have died, in the service of our country. Our hard-won independence has grown into a set of freedoms never seen in any country or society that survived, and we need to remember all the people who have worked so loyally to keep our values vibrant and a model for the world.

Happy Birthday, America! The "Many Happy Returns" part is up to each of us, and all of us, in celebrating together.

@Fightsongwriter Who, me? calling someone oversensitive? I would know --it is in my "takes one to know one" catalog. It is amazing how easy it is to see that mote in someone else's eye....

Catching up on a lot of threads tonight. Sure seems like the hot weather is making a number of people pretty over-sensitive, as well as nit-picky. Have a cold one, everyone, and let's chill!

@JayHawkFanToo Does no local carrier mean the blackouts would be lifted? Is this actually good news for you folks living there?

@BigBad Well, they drafted Svi because Magic was impressed by his defense on Bagley, so the "no D" label McDermott had may not apply to Svi.

I had many clients take polygraphs administered by Army CID and FBI. If it showed he lied in denying guilt, the prosecutors did everything they could to ram the results down the defendant's throat. If it showed his denial was not lying, the prosecutors talked about how unreliable polygraphs are, and how sociopathic criminals (like, say, an 18 year old accused of taking a swipe at another soldier in a melee--you know, the die hard criminal mastermind) can fool them, so they prosecuted anyway.

I finally concluded that opinions on reliability of polygraphs are directly proportional to who benefits from the results.

@HighEliteMajor "I think this is a “trust Self” moment."

I am very impressed with how many of these you have been finding. You changing the colors of your lenses?

@JayHawkFanToo Your post is about guys all in the same class knowing who they are going to be competing with in being recruited to Duke and later for PT, but the Carter situation was different because by reclassifying Bagley came from out of the blue and no one Duke had sewn up had had a clue of the possibility.

@Crimsonorblue22 @Woodrow
@HighEliteMajor

Luke actually passed 4 polygraphs, but none of these asked a direct question about whether he abused his niece. The Portland Tribune (before the season) had the most complete article I have seen on the entire process his case went through. It also focuses a lot on the fact that he made the decision to plead guilty with his parents, who were concerned about the impact of a trial on not only the niece, but on Luke's brother's custody situation and the parents' ability to ever see the niece again.

Here is the section on the pre-plea polygraph:

In May 2012, Luke's sexual history was obtained via clinical interview and a sexual history polygraph conducted by Rick Minnich, chief examiner of Minnich Polygraph Services of Burien, Washington.

Minnich was prohibited from asking any question directly related to Luke's niece.

From the report:

"It was the opinion of Mr. Minnich that Luke was truthful when he answered 'no' to the following questions: 'Not to include (the niece), have you engaged in sexual conduct with any member of your family?' And, 'Not to include (the niece), have you engaged in sexual contact with anyone else more than two years younger than you?'"

Polygraph tests often are used to determine the veracity of suspects or witnesses, and to monitor criminal offenders on probation. Luke and his parents would have welcomed the opportunity for a polygraph asking questions directly related to his niece, but their attorney said polygraph results are inadmissible in Washington court, and he advised against asking Luke specific questions."

Three polygraphs were administered during his probation, but they were limited to questions about his complying with the terms of his probation.

Here is the article. Anyone interested in this should read it for an insightful look into the considerations facing all the people involved.

https://portlandtribune.com/pt/12-sports/385703-274945-penalties-paid-heimlich-ready-to-return-for-beavers-baseball ↗

@HighEliteMajor Maybe, just maybe, the underlying premise behind the FBI shoe case as it involves KU is that Adidas committed great crimes against victim KU by never steering any good football players to us. Obviously, the state of our fb program is criminal....

@Crimsonorblue22 Our kid with the whiny mom left for Bosnia or some such place a couple months before.

KEEP SCROLLING! That article about Carter is followed by one about how the Lakers drafted Svi due to Magic Johnson's 5 a.m phone call to the GM talking about how impressed he was with how Svi guarded Bagley in the tourney.

BShark said:

Banning for anything other than posting things against site rules (ie posting porn or something insane) or perpetually attacking/threatening other members is a dangerous step, I'd say.

Better retract the "or something insane" thing, or a lot of us are at risk. I have seen a lot of crazy things here (and posted some)!

@HighEliteMajor This Sports Illustrated article presents an extensive discussion of all the consideration involved generally in these cases, as well as a detailed discussion of the issues for Heimlich specifically.

https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/05/16/luke-heimlich-oregon-state ↗

Two points: This article cites says it is "reported" that the therapist's notes reflect that he denied his guilt throughout the therapy process, but the reporter didn't see those notes. I thought another article I read, which I referred to in a prior post, said the opposite, but I may have inferred it from the therapist's reference to how he wrote out his statement admitting guilt "as if he were guilty." If I misled anyone, I apologize. (I have edited it.)

Second, according to this article he faced 60 weeks of juvie detention if convicted at trial. His plea provided for 44 weeks of juvie that was suspended while he went through probationvand counseling, and then dismissed when he completed both programs. So the amount of time probably wasn't the determining factor if he falsely pled guilty--it was likely the fact that he would be able after five years to have the record expunged. Another note: he was adjudged by Washington to be a Level I juvenile sexual offender, considered the least likely to repeat.

All in all, a mess.

As to second chances, I would say he has lucked out by having been given a bunch of lenient treatment by his high school and by Oregon State during the pendency of his probation, second chances seldom provided to people who are not rich or athletically gifted.

I guess my bottom line might be that the prosecutors apparently believed he should eventually be able to move on, so maybe he should. I won't protest if the Royals sign him, especially since he is likely to disappear in the minors for a few years and then time will tell if he can convince the organization and the world that he really does have good character.

@BShark Excellent article. There is definitely a different mindset to world-class athletes.

@wissox I will take a stab only at number 6:

I believe Jayhawks, if real birds, would carefully try to fly over Missouri whenever possible.

@Kcmatt7 HCBS won a NC for a school that has a tradition of being good, had been in the F4 the two years before he arrived, and that is in the championship discussion year after year. It is reasonable to conclude that he has underachieved compared to the number of times he has had one of the best teams in the country and a slew of number 1 seeds.

Dayton Moore came to a loser and developed it into a winner.

I am a fan of both men, but there is a big difference in the steepness of their climbs to their titles.

@justanotherfan I understand all that, but I guess I should explain my strong reaction instead of couching it in generalities.

His story and the way he tells it are just all too familiar to me and remind me of a particular client who also engaged in years of abuse, pled guilty, and then started trying to withdraw his plea on appeal -- submitting all types of exemplary letters from his therapist, his pastor, his captain, his NCO, all saying they firmly believed he was innocent despite the plea. After we raised the issue (called "an improvident plea") on his behalf, and lost, he eventually told me, actually laughing, that it was all a sham and that he wished he could have fooled the appellate judges the way he did everyone else. I asked if he didn't care what he had done to his daughter by first abusing her and then by getting everyone to think she lied. He replied he didn't really care because his wife had left with the kids after divorcing him. I hadn't been fooled, but his ability to seem sincere certainly was remarkable. It was my first in-depth exposure to the sociopaths among us, and scarier than hell when I realized his stay in Leavenworth was only going to be a few years.

Incidentally, had he pled not guilty there might well be reason to believe his claim of innocence. This type of case can involve parents who deflect attention away from an abusive father by targeting a relative or family friend. These horrible people work really hard to convince the kid that something bad will happen if the daddy abuser is named, and they pretty much can brainwash kids to anything. Anyone who thinks little kids don't tell untruths about these things is believing an old myth. Kids can be frightened into saying anything.

It is all just one horrid arena of crime with numerous people affected so many ways.

Guilty pleas tend to reduce the chances this happened.