@Kubie Good to see you again. We use DirectTV, we like it.
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He'll be able to do great things at UCLA I'm guessing.
@HighEliteMajor Carson Edwards is an interesting case. Kind of streaky.
Watch Carson and the rest of the purdue team lose their minds on the famous buzzer beater. 3-4 guys start chasing the ball down court instead of staying home and forcing a half court prayer. No way should that guy have been wide open. Heartbreaking loss for sure, but they can shoulder some of the blame for just losing their heads. And while I understand the strategy, the foul when winning by 3 in the last 10 seconds strategy took a major hit in that game.
@truehawk93 Sounds like you're describing Graham and Mason! But thinking now about what you wrote I'm guessing you are referring to finding that diamond in the rough transfer, not recruit.
@Crimsonorblue22 I think the chat died out more because of the decline of the Royals. Too bad those guys left though. They were a good part of the site. We've lost some more positive assets recently. @KUSTEVE @Kubie @DoubleDD @JayHawkFanToo to name a few. @Ralster just came to mind.
Just tell them Not In Tournament or Not Important Team or Nincompoops in Training or Nimrods and Idiots and Toadlickers.
This has been a fun page to visit as we all watch various games. Lots of good stuff here.
Les Miles is bringing him over, right?
@bcjayhawk It was fun to write as well. Took me a few days actually, unlike anything else I ever post. I'd write a little, come back to it later, do some more, etc.
Funny how K is whining about the forthcoming changes eliminating the OAD. His bread and butter is being taken away from him and he's worried. He shouldn't be worried because he's won before the days of the OAD.
Not sure I'm including K in the discussion for all time greatest coach. Wooden is #1 hands down. Classy, obviously recruiting was easy for him, although some claim he was dirty as dirt itself in his recruiting. But K's collection of talent over the years should have led to many more titles. And one of the titles is so tainted in 2015 that it should have an asterisk next to it.
Now, the Bulls need to win that draft lottery so they can pick Zion! I didn't see too many egregious calls favoring Duke, except for two out of bounds calls. One was around the 10:00 mark and a ball went off Zion and refs gave it to Duke who immediately made a 3 and then another 3. There was another on the sideline with about 3 minutes left where it appeared to go off of Duke, certainly the MSU players reaction was he didn't touch it. There were a couple of maybe foul calls uncalled, but that actually hurt Duke at the end when they couldn't make MSU shoot FT's.
To be fair, we all remember a year ago we received the benefit of a 50-50 charge/block call against Duke in crunch time, so there was at least once in the last 40 years that a call went against Duke!
But wow, what a tremendous weekend of games. 2 OT games, two other last second wins, and a lot of drama Thursday and Friday as well. While the upsets are something to behold, they usually lead to dud games later on. This tournament, few upsets, few dud games.
@jayballer73 He's not going to be here forever and circumstances like this years have caused other coaches to leave. It's worth speculating about because it could happen.
Having the stable of CBS announcers in the tourney is such a change of pace from all of the ESPN bores. I've enjoyed the announcers this entire weekend.
Ward gets called for a foul because he's big.
@kjayhawks I tried not to put race into the conversation because I've worked with kids who are white and have many of the same disadvantages as people of color. The family is a part of this whole question. It must be tough what you're experiencing. Hang in there!
If you've never had to come home from school and find all of the belongings of your apartment on the curb because your parent(s) got evicted, then you have privilege. "If you desire to go to college you can", while there is some truth to that, when you attend 4 schools in one year on average, it is incredibly more difficult. "Unless you think what I earn is yours." Preferential admissions to college is a tough issue I admit. But when families of color for centuries have had what they earned taken by people who didn't earn it, there's nothing wrong with telling kids here's an opportunity for you to go to college, even if your scores are a little lower. I told my daughter that when she complained that a friend of hers with a slightly less excellent SAT score was qualified to go to Harvard and my daughter wasn't. My daughter didn't even want to go to Harvard, and got into an excellent college herself partially based on the privilege she enjoyed growing up.
And if you really want perspective changing information, read about redlining. It created most of the slums that our country has now. I have no time now to discuss it. But it's worth looking into objectively.
I should have added All Fiction, no Malice.
@Fightsongwriter Some one from the SEC is going to the FF. Might as well be unhated Auburn, or were you torn over the it's kind of cool statement?
@DanR No, I don't remember hating those guys. Especially Hurley. I didn't have ESPN during the Reddick years so maybe I didn't watch too much of him to develop a hatred, but if you hated him, then that's good enough for me too, yes, I hate him!
Auburn has a chance to knock out 3 blue bloods in a row which would be kind of cool for them and if an SEC team is going to the FF I'd rather it be them than kentucky.
That virginia-purdue game was phenomenal. Too bad for purdue they lost their heads at the end of regulation. That was kind of inexcusable.
@DanR I'll keep that tip in mind for next years review!
@Texas-Hawk-10 Yeah, I'm the same way about ESPN.
I watch the games I want to, but that's it.
As hoops winds up and baseball gets going they'll switch from wall to wall Duke coverage to wall to wall yanks/bos coverage, except of course they'll talk about the NFL. ESPN has made me dislike the NFL to be honest, they talk about it all year, but they don't talk about my favorite baseball all year, nor college hoops all year, and to be honest, I don't want to hear about those all year!
@joeloveshawks Good post! Duke has become such that I would even cheer for Kentucky against them. If they do play each other we'll hear no end of THE GREATEST SHOT OF ALL TIME, which is exhibit 1A of media hype, because that was a shot in the quarterfinals. It wasn't a shot like Mario's that actually prevented a team from losing the NC they were about to win. No, it was a shot just to get them to the FF.
And here's my beef with the media, because they are partially responsible for the Duke hate. Most Americans think the same way we do. They're tired of Duke. They're tired of the non-stop coverage. The NCAA of course appears to be ignoring the ways in which Duke and Kentucky are stacking their lineup with top kids so many of us hold ill feelings towards Duke as they snare kid after kid.
I generally don't dislike Duke players. Grayson is the one notable exception. No hate for Laettner like some have. I can't even think of anyone else I've disliked, so it's really these systems I've mentioned that lead to so much of this dislike of their team.
@HighEliteMajor I think you're partially right, some will just throw the word around, I've experienced enough of life up close to those without privilege to understand how it's being used and agree. Notice I didn't use race as my experience has been that anyone raised in poverty experiences many of the same things, although race can complicate it.
@KirkIsMyHinrich SEC chant is pretty gross. Living in the midst of it for a while, I got pretty tired of SEC this and that. One time LSU rival Alabama was in town and a local sports writer actually wrote that it'd be good for LSU to lose to Bama because if Bama lost it would screw up their chance and the leagues chance for another NC. It'd be like us cheering for KSU to win a game against us because it'd be good for the league!
I don't feel quite as bad about getting beat by Auburn. That team is hot!
Thanks!
@HighEliteMajor Privilege sounds like baloney until you look at it from a different perspective.
I used to be a pull yourself up by your bootstraps type of person. Then I got a big dose of the hurdles that young people who grow up in poverty have to overcome to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Yes I am a product of privilege because I had a mom and dad who did a lot for me to nurture and love me and support me in whatever I wanted to do. They had the means to do so. That makes me privileged.
Now take away my father. Now I've lost one very good role model. I've lost a good provider. I've lost a man who taught me to be a man. Single moms, or single dads, obviously can make up for a lot of that but it's more difficult. Missing one parent, you're less privileged.
Now put yourself in a substandard school. You have no choice. Economics have you in that district where textbooks are 10 years old, and stadium lights explode during games, and metal gates are set up in hallways, and where schools go all year without a math teacher for 9th graders because they can't hire one. When you avoid going to a school like that you're privileged.
Go home from school and mom comes home from a long day of low wages and stops by the corner store to pick up some substandard prepackaged food without fresh veggies and fruits because you live in a grocery desert. The good stores are a long busride away. When you have good quality food to eat on a regular basis you're privileged.
When you walk through an airport and security doesn't whisk you away from the president you're walking with, that's privilege. Ask Condoleeza Rice about that one.
I could go on. Please understand what people are talking about when they say privilege. Goodness the opposite term has been in our lexicon for a century or more, 'underprivileged'. I'd guess you've called kids underprivileged at some point. Really no difference.
@nuleafjhawk Notice no use of petrocoshoecomplex and use of words like infarction, so no, I'm not @jaybate-1-0
@BeddieKU23 Chapter 2 coming out in April of 2020.
(some facts slightly embellished for editorial effect)
Recruiting. Kansas does a remarkable job bringing in Grimes Dotson and Dave McCormack whom we'll refer to as Big Dave because Big Mac was already trademarked by some hamburger joint.
Late Night. Kansas defeated itself before many fanatical fanatics, many of whom were mad because we didn't defeat ourselves by more. Late night broadcaster Fran was unimpressed.
Preseason. Kansas played some local junior high teams and won. Everyone but announcer Fran was impressed.
THE BIG GAME Going against the Spartans or as some prefer Sparty, KU jumped out to a 53 point lead and then won by 5. Fran was impressed in how we gave up the lead. KANSAS’ LONG WINNING STREAK AGAINST BLUEBLOODS continued.
Two gimme type games that are designed to make KU fans mad at the former athletic supporter who made a great deal for Time Warner. Not one KU fan in the state of Kansas saw any of these games on TV because of him. Announcer Fran was upset that he was supplanted as the most hated person Kansas fans love to hate, but only during these games KU fans couldn't watch.
THE TOUGH GAMES
6 games against future NCAA teams and recent NCAA tournament champions Stanford, Marquette and VileNova. Other TOUGH games were against Rocky Top who was really TOUGH, at least until Peyton Manning fouled out, the Terrorists from Wofford who were very tough until a 39 point run turned a 33-5 deficit into a huge victory. Announcer Fran really didn't think any of the games were TOUGH games. Grimes said these games are TOUGH. Big Mac, er Big Dave wondered why he didn't take the shoe money from Duke.
Speaking of shoe money in a shocking development a Duke player slipped on 100 dollar bills that had fallen out of his shoes while running down the court. He realized the serious SCANDAL that would ensue and in a feat of superhuman strength tore his show, I mean his shoe and ESPN told the whole world that the poor young mans shoe had broken. Dukie V was visibly shaken.
After beating Southern Dakota, another lackluster performance led many to think this team needed a break. Well they got a break all right, a broken hand. Doke broke and the 12 league woke to the reality that for the first time in anyone’s life time Kansas might not dominate them anymore. Cowpokes and kits wept for joy. Red Raiders and horned Frogs leapt in jubilation.
Sooners said see ya later Kansas and psych clones spun themselves dizzy. The crowd of 26 people at a game in hoops hotbed of Columbia Misery smiled toothless grins. Announcer Fran was heard saying Kansas always making excuses.
Undefeated season went awol in the hot desert sun just as someone in something called ncaa answered the phone. I think it was coach Self and he said to ncaa “we were wondering how the DeSousa case is coming along. We sure could use him back in the lineup.” ncaa said DeSousa, is that baseball player whose arms got real big? Coach rolled his eyes. Ncaa is not going to help us this year.
When league play started Kansas got themselves ready for what they knew would be a tough two months. Announcer Fran would be doing every one of their games, and like an overzealous prosecutor in a shoplifting case he had dug up more dirt on this KU team than a Kansas farmer over a lifetime.
Some games went good, some were really ugly. Some fans cried, some fans clapped. Message boards that follow the team turned into an ugly cesspool of sports filth. BigDave wondered. Grimes made us bicker. Moore was much much much less. Dot wanted to connect the dots, but there weren’t enough to connect. Lawson carried the team along with senior LaGerald Vick who would use their maturity and experience to make up for lost ground and return the 12 conference trophy back to where it belonged, in Lawrence, Kansas.
In a shocking development announcer Fran was heard saying something positive about the Jayhawks. He said, and I quote, “compared to Depaul, or the Pac12, Kansas isn’t that bad.”
BIG GAME 3 The Jayhawks head to the house that Kansans built AKA Rupp Arena. As our players were entering the arena, Nike agents were posted outside waving wads of cash at our players like ticket hawkers waving tickets in your face. Cal is seen hugging several of them and a Kentucky player came rolling up in his daddy’s ride that was in stark contrast to the 74 corolla he had to drive before he enrolled at Kentucky. Kansas’ LONG WINNING STREAK AGAINST BLUEBLOODS came to an end.
Not coincidentally ncaa made a ruling on the Silvio Sammy DeSousa case. Silvio would have to sit out for the next 48 years for fake receiving money from shoe dude. At the same time an armored delivery truck was seen backing up to the delivery dock at the Blue Devil Towers in Durham NC. ncaa was asked and said “nothing to see here, they were just delivering towels to basketball players”.
A major media college intern discovered an interesting fact while researching for a Eastern Area Sports Program. He was heard saying, “Did you guys know there’s a school called Kansas which has won some league called Big12 14 years in a row?” And Eastern Area Sports Program said “so, who cares?” Intern kid said “did you know they might lose their streak this year?” Eastern Area Sports Program said “Whoa, this is a BIG STORY.” And suddenly people everywhere were talking about Kansas basketball.
Meanwhile ballplayer at Duke got a new pair of cash infused tennis shoes. They are special shoes because all the Duke player has to do is scan the bottom of the shoe at an ATM and it will spit out wads of cash. Several walkons at Duke were said to be jealous. When asked about it Duke coach K said “I don’t know what you’re talking about, he bought those shoes at Walmart.”
Eastern Area Sports Program reported that night that controversial ATM shoes were bought at Walmart so there’s nothing to rumors that Duke player had ATM shoes. Eastern Area Sports Program announced somewhat controversially that from henceforth all college games shown on their tv station would involve Duke and officials were contractually obligated to ensure Duke wins. Coach K asked to be called special k from now on.
Kansas suffers more horrible losses. And I’m not even talking about the games they kept losing. I’m talking about the departure of a player who CARRIED THE TEAM at times earlier in the season. One day after 18 consecutive passes to the opposition teams coach, band director, team doctor, center, cheerleader, ballboy, sweatsweeper, assistant coach, referee, his own coach (who grimaced), the scoreboard operator, the usher in the upper deck, the vender in the lower concourse and the parking lot money collector in the yellow safety vest, the player said he needed a leave of absence. Shrouded in mystery the player left campus 3 months shy of a college degree, which really wasn’t necessary anyways because who needs a college degree to play in the league, which is what he was heard saying.
Kansas was now down to the 2nd place intramural team to finish the season as the varsity Jayhawks. It wasn’t pretty really. We suffered THE WORST LOSS EVER to Texas Silo Tech. ISU beat us. Grimes was rumored to be heard saying he was giving up making a shot for lent, but his coach refuted this by saying “I never saw him make a shot before Lent.” But because of the problems with everyone else, the intramural team asked BigDave if he wanted to play since, you know, he looked big and BigDave wanted to play. And despite the coaches nervousness about letting him onto the court other than for warmups, he let him play, and well, whadyaknowaboutthat? Coach was heard saying. BigDave can play.
The team rallied a bit and their fans had some hope but selection sunday came. Some faithful were sure our stirring run to the 12 league championship game meant we were bound for maybe even a 2 seed. Eastern Area Sports Program said they were sure to be the first blublood to ever receive a 16 seed and have to play in the playin game. Announcer Fran said Kansas should be in NIT. More brinks trucks were seen in Lexington and Durham and the season came to a merciful end.
(thanks to @approxinfinity for making this space available and so many others who provide the fodder for a piece like this.)
I blame missed FT's and Gooden leaving for the 2003 lost opportunity. I've even thought in my mind, Simeon's usage changes if Gooden is still around and maybe he's healthy too for the final. That team could have gone undefeated in my opinion.
We've had more than our fair share of would've, could've's. My would've was in 1986. We beat eventual champ Louisville twice that season, but got cheated by the Duke whistle in the final four. It's really down to that team and the 97 team as KU's best teams that didn't win it all.
@Fightsongwriter Lubbock's pretty far out there. Geographically it feels west to me. 3000 feet above sea level, pretty dry, less than 20 inches of precip, feels west to me! It's 300 miles west of Dallas too! That's getting out there a ways!
Teams I'd about die if they won: Duke, Kentucky. Teams I don't want to win simply because they're SEC teams. Auburn (although losing to the eventual champ is at least a little satisfying), Tennessee, and LSU. Everyone else I wouldn't give a hoot if they won, although because of the Nike inflow of cash to Oregon, I'd rather they didn't win. Since I'm a BIG fan, I wouldn't mind MSU, MU, or Purdue winning. Gonzaga is cool with me. Houston, meh, why not I guess, but Sampson is a pretty dirty coach, so maybe not. Tech yah, no mo UNoCao tho please. Virginia, yes because of the Bennett Wisconsin thing. Florida St yes I guess, because it's cool they've turned from a basketball school to a football school. VTech, I like their coach and their style, so why not?
Geographically this sweet 16 heavily tilts southeast. 10 teams if you count Houston as SE. Not a good look for us purists who say that is football country. Not a good look either for the northern tier where only 3 are represented. West has become a vast wasteland of college hoops. Gonzaga, TTech, and Oregon. But at least they have good scenery and weather out there.
@FarmerJayhawk PHOF!! I've seen first hand what an athletic scholarship can lead to kids who'd have no other hope to get into college. I've also seen with kids like Ben Mclemore what can happen for a kid who grew up as poor as anyone can imagine who does earn a pro contract. Even the pro minimum for several years will get that kid and his family out deep financial problems.
As much as I hate it when kids like Josh Jackson or Kelly Oubre leave early, I don't blame them. I also love it when kids like Frank Kaminsky say I'm coming back for my senior year because another year in college is better than playing in half full NBA gyms.
Self, will he stay or will he go?
@Texas-Hawk-10 I tend to keep whatever clubs are easiest to throw after a bad shot.
I've only ever owned two sets and the first wasn't really a set. It was garage sale stuff when I just started out. I'd buy discount store stuff to add to it/replace/etc.
Then a friend gave me his ping irons. It was like magic! I couldn't believe what I'd been missing out on. I'm still using those. I wish I could afford to play more, but it's not wise to spend money you don't have, so I'll get out 10-12 times this summer and have to be satisfied with that.
Needless to say, I've never broken 90 although I was headed towards breaking 90 and my principal called me while I was teeing off on #15 of an easy closing quartet of holes. He told me a girl had gone to the superintendent accusing me of laying hands on her, which was why she punched me. She really did punch me, I didn't lay hands on her and I knew the superintendent so I wasn't super worried, but it was enough to rattle me to double bogeying the last hole and settling on a score of 90. Someday I'd like to play enough to be consistent and dream of breaking 80, but age is starting to work against me, so we'll see!
@ajvan I just watched the replay. No blatant push off on the rebound in my view.
@Crimsonorblue22 Is that you in first place in our contest? Kudos!
@ajvan My cousin was saying the same. I missed that. So did the officials, but I didn't see it because I missed seeing it, 3 officials are paid not to miss it.
Kudos to UCF. That was an exciting game, and strangely they have no one to blame but themselves. The missed lob was the hugest missed lob in NCAA history! A 5 point swing. Better job of boxing out on the missed FT. Of course there's 15 seconds of play left at that point so if UCF gets the RB, they get fouled, have to make the highest pressure packed FT's in school history just to make it a 3 point game, so not sure how huge that was.
LOL, CBS doesn't want a Duke loss, so Zion can double dribble on a fast break and not have it called. Horrible. Announcers say nothing, they showed the replay and everything but gushed on Zion. This is becoming like pro wrestling.
The thread will heat up as we hopefully sign some more fellas to put on the uniform. Hopefully legal issues are behind us, we learned our lesson and we go back to being the proud institution we love. That's what I want to see most.
As for our message board, it aint too bad here.
Was really hoping we could win one more before our likely loss to UNC which would have coincided with opening day!
I hope you know I wasn't specifically calling out you when I said 'go start your own thread'.
Last night was a stunner to me. Watching us get beat down the court for wide open threes. I've beaten the drum a lot this year that 3/5th of our starting lineup didn't finish the season with us. But to see early in the game after we scored Auburn jacking up a wide open 3 was just a shocker, especially since it came about 2-3 seconds into the shot clock.
@approxinfinity good suggestions. I seriously thought last night that the game might be passing Bill by.
Last years team was tough as nails. It took a perfect storm to defang this team.
This is on @jaybate-1-0. He abandoned us and the season went to pot.