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BShark
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KU needs to put the hammer down on his visit.
Texas. Rumors that Yaklich ends up there.
@Woodrow @BeddieKU23 Probably an upgrade from whoever is actually coaching the Longhorns now.
@HighEliteMajor Heard Yaklich was the main reason UM won out. If anything Texas could become a threat, but I believe they are full up.
@FarmerJayhawk @Kcmatt7 Howard is talking a big game RE recruiting, will be interesting to see if that works out...
@HighEliteMajor I think Self basically knowing he only had Grimes one year could have changed his approach as well. If there is a chance Self has him for 2-3 years than the tear down to build up becomes a more appealing option. Instead he was forced to just hope that engaged Grimes would show up over checked out Grimes (he rarely did).
All of this to me is why it makes so much sense for both parties to be done. Grimes wasn't quick enough to play the 2, let alone PG... I guess you could try to hide him on D while letting him run the show on offense but Dotson seemed like the far superior option to me so I can't blame Self there.
HighEliteMajor said:
BeddieKU23 said:
rockchalkwyo said:
I think one of the problems is the high school ranking system. There’s probably 75 kids that can make it to the top 50, or at least have a solid argument on why they should. The ranking system is somewhat flawed and builds too much ego in these players, along side their parents, and get unrealistic expectations for how long they should stay in college by their ranking coming out of high school.
Definitely plays a part. If Grimes was the #100 ranked player coming to KU, starts all season with that stat line he's probably judged differently. When your a Top 10 player and come here and have that kind of season your going to take criticism.
But with that performance last season, to @BShark's point, it's a pretty sure bet he would not have started all last season -- there was something else going on.
I heard he promised Dotson and Q that they would start. Not an authoritative source by any means but it would explain a lot. Self handled Grimes a lot differently than he has high profile guards that played badly in the past. At some point you think he might have been benched to send a message otherwise. Self didn't have a lot of options true but Grimes was the worst starter in the league.
@HighEliteMajor Would Bill have started him every game if he didn't promise him a starting spot during recruiting? Food for thought.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Marco said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Marco said:
jayballer73 said:
Marco said:
Just leave, already..... Time to get this crap behind us and move the hell on.
Whoa buddy - I am taking exception to that remark - plain and simple - -That's one of my favorite player - -don't hate the player - -hate the game - can't believe someone who is suppose to be a KU fan telling a 18-19 yr old kid who loves Ku and just really wants to play for KU - -you telling him to leave - -That's pretty JACKED UP padner
not pretty jacked up - -THATS just totally screwed up - and you a KU fan? - -and don't be coming in and trying to say about OH he knew - -OH he knew - I will call BS on you with that - this kid just wanting to play ball and he wants to play ball at KU - that has to be probably one of the more screwed up posts I've seen and your a KU fan? I',/others are just as frustrated but to just come out and tell Silvio to leave - -pretty much hell why don't you just come out and say GET THE HELL OUT that's sad buddy = - - - I'm Done
He is not going to be reinstated. He needs to move on.
Silvio needs to do whatever he wants. There’s nothing preventing him from playing professionally if he withdraws from the draft. There’s nothing preventing him from sitting out next year at Kansas, playing his senior year, and finishing his degree. How many better players are there in the class of 2020 than a 22 year old Silvio? Not many.
There will be quite a few actually, and unlike him they will have played for the past two seasons. It is what it is, and unlike this year's crapshoot in recruiting his situation is all but guaranteed; i.e. he will not be reinstated by the so-called independent review board.
No, there won’t be. 22 year old Silvio is a surefire 5*, top 10 recruit in the 2020 class. Who would you rather have in 2020-21: Silvio or Walker Kessler? You’re acting like he’s just been sitting on the couch for 2 years. He’s been in the best S&C and nutrition programs in the country and been coached by a HoF’er. So you’re either saying our entire staff sucks or players can’t improve from age 19-22. If that’s your view, make your case.
I’m saying he could stay and play his senior year. He doesn’t need to be reinstated to play college basketball again. The committee cannot increase a punishment and Silvio still has another year after his current suspension as it currently stands.
My goodness if that does happen, I think my love for Silvio would increase which is hard because he's already so great. I feel for him.
Speaking of Cal, Jaden McDaniels spurned him to stay home at UWash.
Edit: More posts while I was up making tea I see.
Yeah I saw that and it sure reads like RJ himself doesn't really care about Tech...
bcjayhawk said:
@BShark What does RJ's Dad have against KU?
Idk but among other things he did a radio interview awhile back where he was drooling all over Calipari and knocking KU/Self and was talking about RJ cutting KU (obvs this didn't happen). This was shortly after the FBI crap when KU was front and center.
Thankfully for us RJ has a strong personality.
Wifflehead said:
The fact that RJ wants to accompany Jalen on his visit tells me all I need to know about RJ's intentions.
RJ has already visited KU multiple times. To me, the most plausible explanation for him making this visit with Jalen is because he wants to recruit him to join him at KU. RJ is sold on KU and he wants to try to sell it to Jalen as well.
I believe RJ is fully sold on KU, unlike his dad.
Woodrow said:
Jalen Wilson has scheduled a UNC visit for June 3-5
Let's hope he never makes it.
Great hire for Michigan.
Almost no one wants to sit. Look at Enaruna and Wilson both saying they want to play right away. Both are top 50 guys. Wilson literally said he's not going somewhere to sit, and that he wants to hoop. Even Frank and Devonte were getting solid tick as FR (Mason should have played even more over Tharpe). You have to go way down the rankings and even then it's hard to find guys willing to take a year (or worse two) off.
@Kcmatt7 Great point about how early recruiting starts. When KU offered Sam Williamson (Self pissing off his mom is gonna hurt), Bryce Thompson and Daishen Nix they were all basically unranked. Sam's other offers were schools like INCARNATE WORD. Of these three it looks like only Nix is blowing up to OAD status but all will end up top 50. Hell I remember being chided by a poster on another site for saying KU should offer and take Sam when he only had crap offers. The same poster later bemoaned the miss of a top 20 player.
Well KU was the best team in the country the X year and he was one of the best 3 players on it. So I don't think that one can even be argued.
KU doesn't have enough data points for OADs. UK and Duke have had plenty of success with that model. The more you obtain, the more that turn out to be great players and the more that wash out. The baseline for talent is certainly higher, and Self is enamored with that so I doubt we see a change in approach. Six of the last seven signings were not presumed OADs but how much of that is Self just missing?
I won't argue that Self does his best work with multi year players. You could give him a bag of rocks and he'd probably make the tournament. I've lined out before the experience on his FF teams. How much of that is luck? How much of it is Self's approach to maximizing regular season results? I would argue, gun to their head most coaches would admit they coach to win every game. No coach has a magic elixir that lets them bypass some amount of regular season success for tournament success. Considering 2010 and 11 were some of Self's best teams, the best team in the country those years and they failed to even make the FF. Then he gets there in 2012 with a 6 player team (admittedly still a top 5 one) and in 2018 with a team that couldn't defend a lick. 2016 was another tight miss with a top team that happened to play the best team in the country in the EE. So 10 and 11 were more likely than 12 and 16 was more likely than 18. There is definitely a luck factor but as the 18 team showed it sure helps when you can shoot the crap out of the ball.
I feel like we just had this conversation and others like @Kcmatt7 @justanotherfan plus myself laid out why it's not as simple as saying KU can land any top 25-75 player if they want.
@Marco You have to find those guys though and it's pretty rare. The staff stumbled into Frank and Devonte. Self also constantly tried to recruit over both. I don't remember fully what the story with Issac (this is how his name is spelled, going to be fun on KU boards for years to come) is but I hope he ends up being a similar success story. He reminds me more of Devonte than Frank. He's got "in the gym" range just needs to get a little quicker if possible.
Marco said:
Yeah,,, I know,,, maybe coach knows a bit more than me but I agree with @BShark, Ty Berry should have already been offered - the guy can ball. In fact, I'll take it a step further, why recruit five star point guards (just a hypothetical) at all? How about just signing solid point guards like McBride who can do everything and then fill out the rest of the roster with top 20 to 75 guys?
It's very difficult to find guys willing to come in and sit for a bit. Which is what you would want them to do or you'd have growing pain years. For better or worse Self tries to field the best team possible every year.
Even for THE GREAT ONE at Villanova he had some early departures so they couldn't do their typical development stuff, had to start young guys and suffered for it this last season.
KUSTEVE said:
@BShark I thought Jalen was a 3/4. How does Grimes factor into Jalen's playing time?
He fancies himself a guard I would guess.
FarmerJayhawk said:
The feeling around the program is Dotson is coming back. He's not a first rounder and most scouts are saying he should go back to school. It would take some gymnastics to bring Grimes back.
Well this is great to read. I was seeing a lot of first round stuff floating around. Dotson + RJ + Wilson is lethal.
@Kcmatt7 I've got good news for you.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
You think rj doesn't want d dot?
I don't think it's a huge issue. It's just both DD and Grimes can't return. I just think Dotson himself is leaning towards going. If he is going to get drafted in the first round he has to go. This is a super weak draft, it's his best chance.
@Kcmatt7 In that situation it's RJ, Garrett, Ochai, Wilson, McBride. I can see where you and I would be worried but adding Walker would be hard. He'd see RJ and Wilson as sure fire starters and Self LOVES Garrett and isn't far behind with Ochai.
Kcmatt7 said:
BShark said:
Yes.
We need another guard still for next year though. I'd guess Kyree Walker ends up a Jayhawk too then if DD is gone.
We would need bodies but adding another starter level guy would be a hard sell/tough pull.
Yes.
I think it's fairly likely Dotson goes pro at this point. If he comes back I think we could squeeze in RJ and Jalen. Start all three if you have to promise Jalen a starting spot to get him wouldn't be the end of the world.
@Kcmatt7 Well you also have to be welcomed back.
Funny though how recruits see things differently. Mentioning Grimes as a "high level player" presumably because he played a lot but he was sooo bad.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BShark grimes has been digging his own hole🕳
I don't think Grimes has a spot back.
This is straight from Jalen
"With two starters [in the backcourt] leaving for the draft, you never know if they're going to come back or not, so it's always something that we've got to have in our back pocket," Wilson said. "Two high-level players that are going to play a lot for Kansas is always something you've got to think about. With us, we just want to hoop and we just want to get in the best position to put us in the league. To get in the league, you've got to play a lot and perform and lead. And with two players like that, maybe it's not a perfect fit for you. That's what we've been talking about a lot."
And you know if it's on the internet Self knows. I've also heard that even if Grimes returns to college he would likely transfer anyway.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is there enough ball to go around at KU if Dotson comes back?
Barely. Grimes has to stay gone.
TL;DR Jalen was sounding like a KU lean early until Michigan blew him away but it looks like essentially being 2nd place before could pay off. Also we need Grimes to stay gone.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BShark you talking ty berry?
Yeah. Last I knew KU still hadn't offered. I think that's a mistake.
He'd be a fine back-up 5.
Lol
BeddieKU23 said:
Cunningham/Cam Thomas is my dream backcourt.
The bigs in 20 are not appealing.
Outside of Todd and Dante I agree. Odds of Dante are slim. Self could roll out JR Dave, SO Enaruna, SO Wilson and SO Braun and it would be small but livable with a ton of shooting. Braun would be the 4th guy with minimal minutes. Adding Todd would change everything in the front court.
Tons of great guard options but how many spots does KU have is a real question. My top wants in order and I'd be fine with any of em: Cunningham, Nix, Thompson, Miller, Thomas. Would love to see Berry offered at some point to be a stash and develop guy if he is okay with that.
Let's get Cunningham and Todd and just dumpster opponents.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk what's up w/his nasty face after that announcement?
I don’t speak fluent Gen Z but it kind of looks like he just wants to get it over with. Like taking a really good dump.
If he gets it over with during or right after the KU visit, that would be pretty okay.
Braun needs to RS.
I don't hate that he has a date figured out after the Slater CB pick. Not oooone bit.
dylans said:
@BShark gotta love auto correct. I don't know what I typed, but it wasn't pony!
My assumption was you meant point guard. Phones are goofy sometimes.
@Kcmatt7 Talk about a plot twist...
Being realistic, he won't get the rebound numbers he needs to win it. The points will be there if he stays healthy.
Hansbrough had the media hype machine behind him since he was at UNC...
Woodrow said:
BShark said:
Woodrow said:
Corey Evans tweeted that Jalen Wilson has scheduled his first visit, but it’s premium so I couldn’t see where. Anyone know ??
Kansas. May 30 through June 1.
Awesome.
Yep. Love that we are getting the first visit.
Thankfully the info was also posted by Evan on 24/7 in the VIP section of the KU board as I do not have Rivals premium but I don't mind 24/7 for the full site access. Just posting about this so people aren't wondering if I have Rivals premium. Always happy to share 24/7 stuff.
Edit: Found a free article as well posted recently: https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Jalen-Wilson-Kansas-North-Carolina-Visits-Top-50-prospect-132157106/ ↗
Looks like KU or UNC. Hopefully Self tells him he will play a lot here. UNC has a starting wing spot up for grabs.
I like that there is no time frame to commit, hopefully Self and co crush the visit.
Woodrow said:
Corey Evans tweeted that Jalen Wilson has scheduled his first visit, but it’s premium so I couldn’t see where. Anyone know ??
Kansas. May 30 through June 1.
FarmerJayhawk said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk they are really cool kids!
For sure. Oh, and he picked Kansas for Jalen Wilson too.
Doesn't mean he will come back to KU but holy smokes Grimes' combine measurements are all terrible.
Gorilla72 said:
IIRC, RJ Hampton wanted to be on campus (summer school?) this summer. Last day of enrollment is June 3 for new students with classes starting June 4. Should know something by then?
I would expect something after Dotson announces what he is doing.