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@justanotherfan Good point in years of experience. Have you ever heard of Kelce blowing up at teammates, or coaches? Creating scenes on the team plane? He’s a major challenge to deal with. Add in the national anthem BS, I’d move him.

@JayHawkFanToo @mayjay I have to admit that this is the first and only year I would concede that a conference title may be more important than a final four. Breaking the record and setting one that won’t be broken.

The FF, though, like the World Series and Super Bowl, are considered the destination, the big event. You know, the road to the final four. While one may quibble details, it’s the main event for CBB.

@welladjustedhawk Best? The road championships in every sport is littered with the supposed “best” team. The tourney determines THE one and only champion.

@JayHawkFanToo Exactly. So if I work for a company — Nike, Kraft, Wal-Mart — a kid signs a NLI with KU, and I go to him to endorse my product, and I employ a family friend to help convince the kid to make the deal, is that criminal fraud? A conspiracy to defraud?

An assistant coach doing it is employed by the university. Seems like a civil matter. Firing him if it violated his contract.

Edit: Realized I’m responding to your post from 5 days ago. Scrolling must be a challenge for me.

@mayjay Ok, I'm good at stealing other's stuff.

@BucknellJayhawk3 I don't think there is anyone that would suggest that KU would have won 14 straight in the ACC, former Big East, Pac-12 (with Arizona), or the SEC (with Kentucky).

@mayjay I suspect you are one of the few KU fans that doesn't care about Final Fours. Meaning, I don't think I've really heard anyone say that. A Final Four is a major prestige point for any program, and lack of such an appearance is a point of embarrassment .. for .. you know .. those undesirable programs (say, like, MU?).

It's exactly like saying that you don't care about getting to the World Series, or getting to the Super Bowl. But if you don't care, you don't care. Personal preference. But the measure of greatness includes consideration of FF appearance. And you gotta ring the national title bell, though, too, as you referenced. More than twice in 30 years would be preferable.

@justanotherfan About halfway through the season I would have agreed. In fact, Kelce still just turns me off. But Kelce sure seemed to dial back the stupidity, while Peters seemed to be unable to.

@kjayhawks Chris Harris is a terrific guy .. great corner. You’re right on point there.

@justanotherfan Do you think someone will go to prison? I'm not so sure right now under the current charges. Allegedly defrauding a university of the possible benefit of a player, done by a third party business, who is in competition with other third party businesses, by paying that player, all of which could result in a NCAA rules violation, which could result in a loss of eligibility. Ah, to be a prosecutor and to be largely unaccountable.

@benshawks08 Sold. Also, a friend of mine who is a lurker here just texted me and told me that the lowest shot against KU was 0 by the Topeka YMCA in, get this, 1899. Does that even count?

This is what Bilas said in an article at ESPN today:

There was quite a stir after the Mountaineers blew a double-digit lead in a loss to Kansas at Allen Fieldhouse in Lawrence. West Virginia coach Bob Huggins was tossed after vociferously pointing out the free throw disparity, which was 35-2 at the end of the game. Many fans and others around the basketball community pointed to the disparity as clear evidence that something was wrong.

Well, I sat courtside for that game, and there was nothing wrong. Were there some missed calls? Yes. Did the officials miss the call that was the last straw for Huggins? Yes. I watched the game again, and there were about 15 calls that should have or could have been called. But nine of those calls should have or could have gone against West Virginia, including an offensive basket interference call against the Mountaineers that went uncalled and resulted in a bucket.

Free throw disparity is a function of style of play and how teams play on that day. West Virginia settled for a lot of jump shots, while Kansas drove the ball into the lane and punched the ball into its big guy, Udoka Azubuike. West Virginia presses and fouls more than most teams, and it allows more free throws by opponents than all but 13 Division I teams. Kansas does not play pressure defense, and it is in the top 20 in Division I in allowing the fewest free throws. The officials made some mistakes, yes. But the officials did not cost West Virginia the game. The Mountaineers did that all by themselves.

That said, I strongly believe that the last 8 minutes went substantially in our favor -- like really substantially. We were down 10 and that swing helped create our comeback. Thanks refs. Next time we'll be the victims.

@approxinfinity Yea, I’m the guy that doesn’t care about national titles. He’s got me there.

I said it when the investigation became public. Who is the most pristine? Self and K. Who better for a grandstanding prosecutor who is looking for the limelight to target? Or to try to pressure someone to implicate? That’s my bigger worry.

This is outrageous. A young man murdered in Overland Park.

I have always been very pro law enforcement. I have seen and heard about multiple officer involved shootings. In nearly every case, the rational is solid.

But this is too much. This call was related to a mental health issue. No crime had been committed. A third party had called the police on a suicide threat. He had not threatened any third parties.

There are two views that are on the link. The second one shows an officer purposefully put himself behind the vehicle that is slowly backing out. And then, inexplicably, he fires into the vehicle.

Clearly, the kid was struck as the vehicle spins around, and officers unload more bullets into the van.

This makes me sick. Absolutely sick.

Saying this is justified undermines all sense of justice and rationality. I cannot even fathom it.

The DA said, Steve Howe, said "“None of us can be in the mind of the officer at that time,” Howe said. “He felt he was in danger and he took reasonable action.”

We are to judge. A jury should judge. And to suggest firing into a vehicle when NO ONE WAS THREATENED, is outrageous.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article201060959.html ↗

May I offer that the apparent question posed is, why don't we have any NBA all-stars?

From my view, I personally don't care at all because I don't care about the NBA. I just want our guys to make a living. And have long, productive careers.

@mayjay As a matter of explanation, in the Newman thread, as I used to do many times, I post a thread and simply read responses without injecting further. The stream of discussion was moving along quite well without me. I then posted a response to all posters some time later, near the end of the thread. So the lack of direct response to your very early point in that thread was not a slight, or ignoring you. I just did a mass reply later. Also, if you'll not my response in the @Crimsonorblue22's thread to her information, where I said, "With that said, what @Crimsonorblue22 said regarding what was heard on the radio is pretty important evidence to me. The conclusion is hers (“friends”) but I do think it adds information that, to date, we simply didn’t have."

We can play nice. I'll try.

@KUSTEVE See, a person with limited vision like you doesn't even get it. But more than that, you want a limit on criticism -

1. You criticize Self on the press break. Why? Because it has historically been horrible. Have you ever read my posts on the press break? Did you happen to see some of the wrinkles that Self added Saturday? Interesting, isn't it?

/topic/4049

1. Self said a few years back that he was wrong forcing his team to be something it wasn't. I (we) spent a whole season discussing Self's errors with his team and how the team was not playing to its strengths. Interesting, isn't it, that Self admitted exactly what I had focused on.

/topic/3858

1. Oh, and when Self was continuing to run C5 thing, with a constant lack of consistency, I suggesting killing the C5, right? Saying it would be best for hte team. And a few weeks later, Self decided to kill the C5. He chose a different player, but if you read my post, that was addressed too.

/topic/4036

Just a few examples.

There are multiple times I have admitted I was wrong. One main one was related to Landen Lucas and my view of his ceiling.

And what's further, there are multiple times where I've said Self is doing things right, and this is really the most of the time. For example, how he's run the offense this season and last season given personnel. I've been very vocal on that. Also, I'm a huge fan of his high/low, and have always suggested it's the best offense in basketball, when it fits personnel.

But your comment of, "I think the main reason you dislike Coach Self is your arrogance can’t accept he is smarter than you, so your mission is to knock him down a peg or two." -- this is the most telling. This is THE ISSUE from your perspective, and I'm sure others.

So I will say this very clearly -- You are damn right I will challenge Bill Self. He is not God. He is human. He makes many bad decisions. He is subject to critique and criticism, and he is fair game to be challenged. Simply because he is a basketball coach for a living doesn't mean that his decisions are always right, nor that we should simply defer because of who he is. If you don't like it, you can stick it.

I find people like you, truly, to be laughable. You drip with hypocrisy, you have an inability to think beyond the end of your nose, your first reaction to someone of a different opinion is not to debate the topic, but to lash out because you don't like the perceived motives/intentions of the person making the criticism.

By the way, what is Bill Self's IQ?

@mayjay Part of a forum like this is inspiring discussion. I’ve historically done that much more than recently from a thread standpoint. And I’ve dealt with the irrational and shallow anger for many years. You and your ilk interpret discussion as accusation and attack. It’s why some get so angry at @jaybate-1-0. The shallow thinkers can’t expand their universe of possibility and understand that discussion of topics and possibilities is a worthwhile venture. But some, like you and @KUSTEVE, think it’s only acceptable within your defined tunnel of acceptability. I won’t
accommodate.

Question: Would you rather the Newman thread not been posted or was it a worthwhile discussion?

@KUSTEVE You are the arbiter of truth and fairness. You determine the line of acceptability. You are the true fan. Actually, you’re a joke.

It is not too dramatic to say that if DeSousa can have a positive trajectory, it is an absolute game changer for this team.

And let’s not forget Mitch. He had that incredible stretch of blocks and created huge momentum. One of the best and most natural blockers of the ball I can remember.

@KUSTEVE I’m sorry whiner, did you say something of substance? Not seeing it yet.

But you criticize Bill Self, and his decisions, and his preparation, but you would rather act like the little KU/Bill Self defender when it suits you. You just think (or act like) others' criticisms are unreasonable, so you hypocritically lash out. You said -

"Or, how to destroy the good parts of a team by trying to fix the bad parts. We have looked terrible ever since we inserted Lightfoot into the lineup. When you start Garrett and Lightfoot, you’re playing 3 against 5 on offense. And all the changes seems to have thrown the whole team off. Most teams get better as the year goes along, and we seem to have gotten much worse."

What, you're saying Self destroyed the good parts of this team? Self made a bad decision? Self did something to make this team worse?
See, you're just a complete hypocrite. You express your opinion but you just don't say "Bill Self." You point the finger directly Bill Self, and then play this self-indignant role when others do it. You're a joke.

"My personal opinion is we have always done a poor job attacking pressure, no matter who we have on the floor. 2008 came closest to being a decent fast break team. It was quite a culture shock for those who loved Roy’s fast break offense when Bill took over."

Holy crap, what? "Poor job attacking pressure"? "No matter who we have on the floor"? Who is at fault for that overarching blast? This is a clear attack on Bill Self's coaching and his preparation, right? Bill Self is the target of your comment. Once again, you are pointing the finger at the boss, yet you attack others for being critical. What a pathetic hypocrite you are.

"The ugly duckling turns into a beautiful goose. We are geese, not ducks. Geese can shoot 3 pointers as good as anyone - ducks play power basketball. Throw it into Duck…err Doke didn’t work. Starting Lightquack hasn’t worked. All we did was get both of our playable ducks in foul trouble, and mess with the psyche of our geese."

And now, you attack a player? Calling him "Lightquack"? So you attack a player and call him names, and don't think he should start, but that's ok? Others are critical of Self's decisions on who to start and you attack that? And obviously you think Self's decision to start Lightfoot was a bad decision. Are we again critical of the master? Comical. You can't even see why Self started Lightfoot and what he was trying to accomplish.

See, this is a hypocrite in plain view.

@mayjay So Self benches Newman, and he acknowledges chemistry issues, and he specifically says that some guys aren’t getting it, yet you think it’s careless or reckless to point a finger at him? You can't acknowledge that Self may have been referring to the guy he said didn't deserve to start? Acknowledging the possibility is different than agreeing, if that is something you can comprehend. And who are you quoting there with the “poison” quote? Is it something you made up?

@BShark Look, we can try to have a reasonable discussion on topics with some of these people, but it just doesn’t work. If someone is unwilling to even acknowledge ... not agree ... but acknowledge ... that a guy might be the source of Self’s complaints, given the obvious evidence, it is obvious that it’s someone that is just trying to create conflict.

@drgnslayr Good thoughts, but you will never convince some of the whiners like @KUSTEVE that postulating, and discussing, and thinking is a worthwhile venture. Look at his silly post above. It's literally like a child. I made a post about the two comments on the investigation, and it turns into his typical little passive-aggressive attack. Small minds.

@Kubie I got back to after his injury last season to his left wrist. There is no reason why he couldn't have been shooting free throws, with proper form, elbow underneath, to be ready for this season. I don't think Self or his staff insisted he change. The reason I say that is because in the past, they'd just talked about practicing more (even last season before he was hurt). After OU, I think the staff insisted, and Doke willingly complied. I just don't think it was on their radar. Nothing that was every said indicates it was on their radar. We may find out as some point .. maybe when we find out what really went on with Preston.

Or, sometimes, there is a distinct inability to follow a discussion point, or a purposeful attempt to misconstrue the discussion, or an unwillingness to simply consider possibilities. Instead, discussion points are viewed as threats, or a reason to lash out. The anger when @jaybate-1-0 initially suggested the possibility is laughable. It no different that the leftists on college campuses that don't want debate, or anything that provokes thought. They want to shut it down. Same reaction here. Sometimes, when you challenge a thought process, you become smarter.

With that said, what @Crimsonorblue22 said regarding what was heard on the radio is pretty important evidence to me. The conclusion is hers ("friends") but I do think it adds information that, to date, we simply didn't have.

@Dylans - nice summary. At 6:28 on Newman’s drive (I had incorrectly said Vick) there was little if any contact ( I didn’t see really any), and it was not on the shot. He shot a 1-1. I had skipped the 4:15 foul that gave Vick free throws but you’re right, it was a bit weak.

The point is and your summary is excellent, the last eight minutes of calls/non-calls went our way when, very easily, they might not have.

@mayjay The issue of objectivity here is not with officials. I agree with you. I believe officials suck.

But this issue of objectivity relates to whether we view the calls for, or against, our team, KU, objectively.

That’s where rose colored glasses come in.

@Bwag My first reaction was that Roy was being forceful, because he was concerned.

@Hawk8086 That is hitting the nail on the head.

You do entertain me sometimes. If a ref makes a call on the last possession, and does not call a travel, but we are critical because it really was a travel, we're not being objective? You're just babbling. So being critical of the officiating when Svi traveled vs. KSU last year is not a reasonable exercise? Because the calls may have gone in KSU's favor before that?

You ignore what you want to ignore. I'm objective, I'll look at the entire game. I have no real issue with it. In fact, I can acknowledge there were a number of times we should have gotten calls throughout the game.

But you know what? The last 8 minutes is much different -- for anyone willing to actually be objective.

@JayHawkFanToo Yes, I understand the dynamic of fouls, and defense, and all of that. Thank you. I have not said anything about a FT disparity. So nothing you said in response relates to my comments. I'm referring to the last 8 minutes.

Why is it that we don't want the truth? Why is it that when folks universally know the refs are horrible, they won't at least try to be objective? There are many times when we've not gotten the benefit of the refs. There are many times when we've been screwed. Over the course of a season -- the bigger the sample size -- I would say that the incompetence of the refs tends to even out.

But why can't we objectively look at the last 8 minutes of this game and simply admit that we significantly benefited by the calls and non-calls?

That happens in CBB all the time. The next time, we might be the victim. And the same folks that stick their heads in the sand when it benefits KU will be the chief complainers.

@JayHawkFanToo I did not refer to the last "few minutes". I am talking the last 8 minutes of the game when we went from 10 down, to gain the lead. It was much in our favor, as I pointed to specific examples. And no, in the last 8 minutes, there are not a "equal number of calls that went the other way."

You must really think that the refs are pristine, and objective, and unaffected by players, coaches, environment or score.

@Crimsonorblue22 Why don't you outline the calls we didn't get then? Maybe look at the last 8 minutes. You seem to have "time" to perpetually post one liners, so my guess is time isn't the issue for you. Actually take some time to look at it and maybe your opinion might change.

@JayHawkFanToo You are ignoring the the last 8 minutes of the game. We're down 10, and nearly everything went in our favor. I outlined it on another thread. Go to 7:05 of second half. Doke dunks and gets a “barely a touch” foul call. Our next trip down at 6:29 a completely phantom block call on a Vick drive. At 5:41 Svi totally grabs a WVU player’s arm on a rebound, no call. Then at 5:00 280 pound Doke completely flops, refs call WVU foul on a Doke screen. At 1:43 it looked like Doke hit the WVU player in the face on his shot, his arms not vertical, no call.

@approxinfinity i don’t have a big issue with the first 3/4 of the game. I think the analysis of that above is pretty solid. But I would suggest to start at the 8:00 mark of the second half. We’re down by 10 I believe. Then assess for just that time period. It seemed to me that really everything went our way.

@Fightsongwriter I watched the entire second half without the benefit of sound, or the influence of the announcers. I was watching the second half at a restaurant, then rewatched this morning again without sound.

We can try to rationalize it but it was just very one-sided officiating down the stretch, when we made our run. For example, go to 7:05 of second half. Doke dunks and gets a “barely a touch” foul call. Our next trip down at 6:29 a completely phantom block call on a Vick drive. At 5:41 Svi totally grabs a WVU player’s arm on a rebound, no call. Then at 5:00 280 pound Doke completely flops, refs call WVU foul on a Doke screen. At 1:43 it looked like Doke hit the WVU player in the face on his shot, his arms not vertical, no call.

So, am I rehashing too much? See how easy it is to get him semi-competent from the line? And we lost the OU game because no one had previously bothered to do so.

@elpoyo I think you might have missed the point of @jayballer73’s thread. It appeared to me to recognize that we are overrated as conference until we prove ourselves in March. And it is time for the Big 12 to finally do so.

We should all play like Sargent Schultz — “I know NOTH-ING!”

Ah, yes. But Monday ... Monday, Monday, Monday. A win Monday creates a change in the narrative. A win Monday and things are starting to look differently. A loss? Well, we go on about our business and hope that things can be different at some point this season. Monday is the biggest game of the year -- to set the stage for the really biggest game of the year.

@drgnslayr The term prosecutorial discretion leaves a huge void for politics. A prosecutor can choose what charges to bring, and what crimes to ignore, and can decide what person he/she would like to pressure(extort) for information by the threat of destroying that person’s life.

@mayjay The problems are in the top tier, corrupted by a political agenda, as you mentioned. I do think you should consider that the corruption you speak of is a touch more pervasive than you have acknowledged.

@mayjay At least your response seems to concede the depths to which the current FBI reputation has plummeted.

Article at ESPN today -- http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22476693/roy-williams-confident-north-carolina-tar-heels-not-part-fbi-probe ↗

Roy Williams quote: "I feel very comfortable," Williams said while speaking to reporters in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. "If the phone rings at night, I'm not worried about that. I may worry about a lot of other things but it ain't about that."

Bill Self quote: "We're obviously all concerned for our profession," Self said. "I do not have any information to comment one way or another. Like I said, I hope the reports are not accurate, but whatever is found out we'll deal with it and were going to do all we can to make it better so we don't have to put ourselves in a position to be looked at in this manner again."

Roy's comment is basically, "UNC didn't do it." Self's comment is vague. Many ways to read that.

@mayjay So, do you agree that the charges are a stretch? Premising the fraud on internal rules violations? Possibly done for headlines?

@bmensch1 You are no dummy. Here is the exact wording from the indictment -

The scheme described herein served to defraud the relevant universities in several ways.

First, by virtue of accepting and concealing payments that, if uncovered, would render them ineligible to participate in Division I basketball, the student-athletes and/or their family members conspired with coaches and apparel company executives to obtain athletic-based financial aid for the student-athletes from NCAA Division I universities through false and fraudulent means. Indeed, for the scheme to succeed and the athletic scholarships to be awarded such that the athletes could play at a NCAA Division I university, the student-athletes and coaches described herein must falsely certify to the universities that they are unaware of any rules violations, including the illegal payments.

Second, the scheme participants further defrauded the universities, or attempted to do so, by depriving the universities of significant and necessary information regarding the non-compliance with NCAA rules by the relevant student-athletes and coaches. In doing so, the scheme participants interfered with the universities’ ability to control their assets and created a risk of tangible economic harm to the universities, including, among other things, decision-making about the distribution of their limited athletic scholarships; the possible disgorgement of certain profit-sharing by the NCAA; monetary fines; restrictions on athlete recruitment and the distribution of athletic scholarships; and the potential ineligibility of the university’s basketball team to compete in NCAA programs generally, and the ineligibility of certain student-athletes in particular.

The charges are ridiculous.

So first, we're indicting because the conspiracy supposedly defrauds the schools because the players would no longer be eligible.

And second, because it created the risk of financial harm to the school because the schools are deprived of information (the payments).

That's it. Just a complete prosecutorial overreach.

Some might call that free enterprise. Adidas simply paying to further their business. Can Coca-Cola pay folks to use their product, market their product, and try to get others to use it, all to Pepsi's detriment? The prosecutors are relying on the NCAA rules as the backdrop, a private organization's RULES to form the basis for the fraud. Because the schools have to abide by RULES, and these payments compromise them because of those rules, it's a federal fraud charge?

Just a complete joke.

@Buster-1926 Man, that is excellent insight. The cost does seem wildly exorbitant, given the matter at hand there.

@drgnslayr Optimism is good. And we have good reason to be. Sound logic, well thought out. there are only so many blue bloods. KU, UK, Duke, UNC, UCLA, Indiana? Maybe MSU. So "plural" man not include us. Remind me to be optimistic. I might need it.

@mayjay @jayballer73 Another thing, I think we all believe we know Bill Self. We hear him, he runs a great program, we trust him. Why? Because of years of equity.

I don't feel that way with our assistant coaches. It's not that I think any of them are bad folks, I just don't feel like I know them.

A scenario to consider. Remember when we were discussing Jerrance Howard? There was a point where many thought he was on shaky ground. The marijuana deal too. It is not a stretch that a guy whose job might be on the line, might do something secretive to hold his job. That's concerning in this environment, and knowing an Adidas rep could certainly sense weakness and try to capitalize on that with a possibly vulnerable assistant coach.

Again, I have not one reason to distrust any of the assistant coaches other than a general distrust of human nature in general.

@jaybate-1-0 At this point, I would not doubt anything that comes out of Washington. The deep state is real, the deep state is dangerous to democracy. It's the 4th branch of government we heard about in school -- the bureaucracy. It's the preservation of power and influence. What I fear is that the clear abuses by the DOJ/FBI (and IRS -- let's not forget that big one), are a clear attack from one side of the political spectrum. What's different now is we have a non-vigilant, ever compliant, agenda driven, media machine. Just look at the front page of the KC Star today, and every day. It is embarrassing for journalism. What I fear more from a big picture perspective is that the action/reaction/counter-reaction, whatever, starts plunging us away from first world civility and governing, and into third world chaos. We already see the unprecedented, and truly disgusting behavior and intolerance in the streets, classrooms, and throughout our society.

@Hawk8086 The only reason -- and I think we all can agree on this -- that we would feel that we are immune is our unquestioning faith in Bill Self's character. A quality of person that I believe is too strong and ethical to look the other way.

Hmmm. What about JJ? Or Bragg? Or Wiggins? Or Cliff? Or Selby? Or Newman? Or Embiid? Or Doke?

All it takes is one assistant coach, an adidas rep, and our head coach looking the other way.

But I truly 100% would be floored if Self was even the least bit complicit. Would be wholly out of character.

No sooner did I post on another thread, reiterating my opinion that the current charges filed in the NCAA corruption case were shaky at best, the following story was posted at Yahoo sports. Yikes. It is unclear whether the information would lead to criminal charges, or just major shift in CBB due to massive violations of NCAA rules. I do not like it when they reference hall of fame coaches and top programs. Anyway, here's the link.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-college-hoops-corruption-case-poised-take-hall-fame-coaches-top-programs-lottery-picks-224417174.html ↗

We've had this discussion before. I also believe the charges were grandstanding, as @JayHawkFanToo said. My opinion still remains that the charges here are shaky at best, that is, if the goal is convicting someone. Now, trying to get someone to cave, and implicate others, whether true or untrue, that's all part of the prosecutor's playbook. It is very difficult to prove a conspiracy to entangle those above those currently indicted, trying to prove knowledge of the alleged fraud (either by direct knowledge or otherwise).

Further, as I've said before, the allegations are really tenuous -- here's the claimed basis for the fraud, straight from the complaint:

The scheme described herein served to defraud the relevant universities in several ways. First, by virtue of accepting and concealing payments that, if uncovered, would render them ineligible to participate in Division I basketball, the student-athletes and/or their family members conspired with coaches and apparel company executives to obtain athletic-based financial aid for the student-athletes from NCAA Division I universities through false and fraudulent means. Indeed, for the scheme to succeed and the athletic scholarships to be awarded such that the athletes could play at a NCAA Division I university, the student-athletes and coaches described herein must falsely certify to the universities that they are unaware
of any rules violations, including the illegal payments. Second, the scheme participants further defrauded the universities, or attempted to do so, by depriving the universities of significant and necessary information regarding the non-compliance with NCAA rules by the relevant student-athletes and coaches. In doing so, the scheme participants interfered with the universities' ability to control their assets and created a risk of tangible economic harm to the universities, including, among other things, decision-making about the distribution of their limited athletic scholarships; the possible disgorgement of certain profit-sharing by the NCAA; monetary fines; restrictions on athlete recruitment and the distribution of athletic scholarships; and the potential ineligibility of the university's basketball team to compete in NCAA programs generally, and the ineligibility of certain student-athletes in particular.

@JayHawkFanToo I take it from your response you really have no response then.

The ISU win only helps change the narrative if KU affirmatively changes the narrative by winning the next two home games.

If we focus on momentum, that makes it easier .. if we lose one of our next two home games, where did the momentum go? Right.