If UK switches from Nike to Adidas or UA, do you think Cal/UK would stop getting recruits?
JayHawkFanToo
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I have mentioned on several occasion that I would love to see Collison come back and coach the bigs. He is one of my favorite Jayhawk players of all time and he is getting near the end of his career in the NBA.
...but...but...didn't Keegan say that KU's defense was "hardly feared" by opponents? :smirk:
In this age of OADs, what luxury to have a player like Kaminsky for 4 years.
IMHO, you have it correct and each win and loss counting 1/2 game is the proper way to calculate. Just my opinion and I could be wrong.
Excellent post. Coach Self has always maintained, and many (if not most) of us agree, that winning the conference is the best way to prepare for the NCAA and getting a good seed. The conference this year is particularly good. The latest Bracketology has the Big 12 with 7 teams (70%) and no other conference comes even close; furthermore, 6 of the 7 teams have a seed of 6 or better and KU is now #2 seed. That is power any way you look at it and the best way to prepare for March.
BTW, IMHO I believe most posters in this forum agree with you.
Baylor led by as many as 17 point in the first half and by 8 at the break; Baylor also lead by 14 with 8 minutes left on the game and then ISU made it run and it eventually took the lead with 14 seconds left. Drew really had no choice but to burn timeouts to try to stop ISU's momentum and get his team to stop trying to give the game away; it happens, remember West Virginia last year? KU was out of time outs 3 minutes into the second half when it fell fell 21 point behind and after that started chipping away and got within 4 but only 11 second were left and it ended up losing by 6. BTW, Wiggins had 41 points and 8 rebounds in that game.
There is a difference between being the best player and the most valuable. No question Mason is the most valuable but not necessarily the best.
Fred is more likely to need the paddles since he already has a pacemaker in his chest...just sayin'...
Did you see Selden's block? Much better than the dunk.
Spot on. If you TIVo the game and replay it you will see that Perry is frequently double teamed; in fact, he is the only KU player that is regularly double teamed.
The big advantage the squid had in recruiting was promising player to get them to the NBA in one year, something that all 18 year old believe they are fully capable of doing; however, the OAD at UK is starting to wane and many are staying 2 or more years. Recruits now have the option of going to UK for 2 or more years where they will have to platoon and/or maybe not get the promised playing time or go to a program, like KU, where they will also stay 2 or more years but they will improve their skill (and body) in the process.
Travis Ford sent players to foul, plain and simple or as @KUSTEVE put it hack-a-hawk. The strategy was to slow the game and not allow KU to get into any kind of rhythm and the game was choppy and lasted 2-1/2 hours. Early in the second half, OSU had played 11 players and ALL OF THEM had at least 2 fouls, including the ones that had played only a couple of minutes. The strategy worked in the first half when KU shot 15-24 (62%) from the FT line and fortunately it got better (for KU) in the second half when it shot 17-22 (77%). OSU shot 22-25 (88%) from the FT line. A physical game with lots of fouls obviously favored OSU which is the better FT shooting team and only the shear volume of fouls committed by OSU (29) helped KU.
You are right, he did indeed had 8 hard fought boards, he also had 3 steals and 2 blocks....but why look at the good things he did when it is easier and more fun to point out the things he did wrong...shaking my head...not at you Ict.
I bet this is the favorite game of some posters in this forum...
Wouldn't that nickname apply to Lucas instead? he bobbled several passes right under the basket that if caught would have been sure dunks.
I did not see that anywhere; you have better sources than I do. :(
You mean...they don't know Dirk? :)
Bitte schön,
Alexander did a good impersonation posterizing Allen and got a technical in the process, a very undeserved one in my opinion.
Forte had 12 points 8 minutes into the game; he scored 6 the rest of the game. Once they figured out the OU plays for Forte, KU was able to greatly neutralize him; 9 of his points were from the FT line. Selden guarded him most of the time and Oubre, Mason and Graham also took turns.
Yes, there were problems but OSU was coming on a hot streak and KU managed to beat them by 10. I cannot complaint too much and it is hard to argue with the result, although I am sure some will.
On other news, Miami trounces Duke at Cameron. Former KSU player Angel Rodriguez had 24 points to lead all scorers. Can you imagine a back court of Rodriguez and Foster at KSU?
OSU did exactly what it planned to do, turn the game into a foul fest and kept sending player that don't play much to wear out KU. At one point in the second half it had played 11 players and every single one of them had at least 2 fouls and KU was missing FTs. At least none had the ability to flop and draw fouls like Smart did. No flips (or flops) on the center court Jayhawk either.
It is really UVa, where Va is the state code, although it is commonly spelled both ways..
You obviously understand how the Vegas lines work; it is one of the most misunderstood concepts. I learned the concept myself the first time I visited Vegas 30+ years ago.
Again with all due respect and no malice intended, you like Jesse are under the impression that the Vegas lines are trying to predict the outcome of games, the Vegas lines do no do such thing, they try to predict the number that will cause balanced betting, even when they resemble the predicted outcomes. I will leave it at that and you can research it for yourself.
The Vegas line is closer to reality than the actual game score. We're trying to determine what is going to happen before the game.
With all due respect, I don't believe you understand how the Vegas line works. Although they seem to closely resemble margins of victory, the Vegas lines do not predicts game outcomes and they are not meant to do that, they simply predict the numbers that will force money to be bet evenly, which is the only guaranteed way it has of making money and this is why they are constantly changing, again, so money bets are balanced. Vegas does not care who wins or loses or what the margin of victory is, all they care is that the bets are balanced so they can make money.
BTW, nothing is closer to reality than the actual game score...the game score IS reality, right?
Again, no malice or disrespect intended.
Bottom line: From all the information we've gathered, OU is the best team in the conference, albeit just slightly. Knowing that, it remains the slight favorite at the top to win or share the title.
Do you still think OU is the best team in the conference? They just lost to WVY by 19...after losing to KSU at home.
Cobbins is toast...
He cannot play defense...
Very intense game leading to turnovers...
Graham is learning the hard way not to give Forte any room...
A lot of unforced turnovers for KU...
Refereeing has been well below par...no home advantage at all, in fact, quite the opposite.
OSU without Forte is like Cleveland without LeBron...just another team...
Perry is hustling a lot...
ESPN copied my stat on fouls...
OSU has thrown a lot of players to foul and make it a dirty game. 11 OSU players with 2 or more fouls.
Sitting Jamari It was Coach Self's way of telling him that he made a bad decision in a close game. He will play in te second half.
No love lost between these two teams...
In the middle of the fight a game broke out...
Did you say Cobbins? Oh...how I wish I had this guy playing for us...maybe Oubre will emulate...
As I mentioned before, the Vegas lines (and I am on the records saying that I like them a lot) are not predictor of outcome, they are set to make sure bets are evenly spread and they are tweaked, not based on any sports criteria, but uniquely to ensure even betting and profit for the house on the vig. Maybe, just maybe, the opening line could be...but it quickly changes to balance the bets. For example, against TTU, KU open favored by 15 and by game time it went down to 14-1/2 (might be off by 1'2 point) and KU ended up winning by how much? 32 points?
As far as tonight's game, OSU has a short bench and in the last 6 games (as far back as I checked) they had only 5 players in each game score more than 2 points; the key is limiting Forte's points. In the their 3 (not close) loses Forte had 5 points against South Carolina and 13 points against Maryland. BTW, Vegas opened at 6-1/2 KU and the consensus is now at 7-1/2; I will surprise you and take KU by 7.
I stand corrected...:(
...but in a way, it still hold true. In the conference, KU is still truly "the man" and the conference title goes through Lawrence and KU will not go out without one hell of a fight...just sayin'
I think what we are seeing is result of the OAD fever that does not always pan out and turns into TAD and so on. In the past, by this time in the season most HS players were committed to a school, but now they have to wait and see who leaves and who stays and what the playing time situation will be...pretty hard for coaches to recruit with so much uncertainty and so many unknowns.
I am with you on this. I can't really recall anyone in this forum predicting KU as the conference winner. I have indicated that it would not surprise me to see the a team win the title with 6 losses; the conference is that good from top to bottom.
Having said that and based on the first few games, KU would seem to be in good shape since holing home court advantage will be key and losing at home like two of the favorites, UT and OU did, is not a good way to start conference play. also, KU has history and precedent on it side having won the conference title 10 times in a row and having a team that is battle tested as a result of the tough non-con schedule. Like Rick Flair said...to be the man, you have to bat the man...and KU is so far "the" man...
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The closest (white kid) would be Ford Stuen, a 6'-2" junior guard (2mpg, 1.2ppg)
The issue with computer rankings is not that they look at teams differently, they most definitely have no bias in this regard as they treat all teams equally; however, the real issue is that they introduce the bias/vision of what the model creator thinks is important. If the computer models were perfect, then the results would be very close. They are not. For example look at the current ranking for KU by 3 of the top rankings:
- Ken Pomeroy - 16
- Jeff Sagarin - 12
- Kenneth Massey - 6
Many believe that Massey's rankings are the most full-featured and scientific rankings. Even Pomeroy has spoken highly of Massey's methods...and yet, all three have widely varying results that highlight the emphasis (read bias) each model developer has introduced into his own model.
Here is a link ↗ to a summary of all computerized rankings; you can see KU is ranked as high as #4 and as low as #19...and all of these models are using basically the same data, just looking at it differently and coming up with different results, so...which one is correct . See my point?
BTW, what is your prediction for tonight's game? Are you taking OSU?
I had higher expectations of Conner and while he did not disappoint, he did not particularly impress either.
Anthony Hickey is 5'-11" senior guard (28. mpg, 9.3 ppg) and Tyree Griffin a 5'-10 freshman guard (10.1mpg, 1.3 ppg). Forte, a junior, is listed at 5'-11" (33 mpg, 17.7 ppg). No question that Travis Ford, (5'-9" ) favors and has had good success with short guards like himself.
We need a rim protector like we had with Aldrich, Withey and Embiid. Zimmerman would fit the bill unless Thon Maker becomes available. Thon Maker is expected to reclassify and would easily become the top ranked player, although there are lingering questions about his transfer to a Canadian HS and the relationship with his guardian Ed Smith that moved to Canada with him. UK, Indiana and Louisville appear to be in the lead ↗, Indiana even offered a scholarship to his younger brother Matur Maker. We should know more the first part of February.
In a way, it is a good thing that KU has not filled the scholarships early since there are a number of quality players still available and some elite schools are already short on or out of scholarships altogether.