Looks like another season of wasted talent at Texas and Shaka’s seat just got warmer.
JayHawkFanToo
13427 posts
Apparently this is not the only incident as Hunt was accused of punching someone else in the face earlier this year.
After the Rice incident there is a different environment now with a lot less tolerance than before. Players need to be smarter and not place themselves in this type of situation and walk away when necessary, Hunt failed on all accounts and if he is lucky he might be suspended for the rest of the season and there is a chance his career could well be over.
BeddieKU23 said:
Looks like Hurt's dad is falling for the salesman in kentucky
Did the FedEx envelope arrived unopened? :smiley_cat:
I agree that eventually we will see the results of the investigation, although with the Democrats in charge of the House it might last at least another 2 years. In the meantime we can agree to respectfully disagree.
I never said Manafort was not guilty of the tax issues to which he pleaded guilty, all I said that those "personal tax issues" happened long before he was involved in the Trump campaign and were not related to the campaign. If you are going to quote me at least do it honestly and don't make up words I did not say, otherwise your argument becomes vox nihili. Ab abusu ad usum non valet consequentia
It is the equivalent of KU hiring an law firm to investigate if Coach Self was aware of the payments to DeSousa and in the course of the investigation information comes up that one of the assistant coaches did not pay taxes long before he was hired by KU and then try to blame Coach Self for it. It is nonsensical.
By the way. I quote Dershowitz because he is a very liberal democrat. I could quote numerous other attorneys that share his opinion but none are quoted by the MSM and if I cite, God forbid, a conservative source, liberals get their panties in bunch and cry foul...just like you just did.
You are assuming facts not in evidence. Trump never said he did not have dealings with Russia, he always indicated he considered building a luxury hotel in Moscow where the big money is nowadays and as a developer, this is what he did for a living before becoming a candidate. Once the became a candidate the project was halted and the only disagreement is the date but nothing illegal was done since the project never happened in the first place. I grant you that it was stupid of some people to lie about something that was perfectly legal but if this is all Mueller has to show then the entire fishing expedition has been a waste.
This is what famous lefty but well respected attorney and constitutional law professor had to say:
!0_1543608434031_upload-ea12bfbf-acd0-4c1b-a171-03f0998cf0eb ↗
which directly contradicts @mayjay source.
Also...
"Dershowitz slammed the special counsel for having to “resort to false statement prosecutions,” arguing it shows Mueller “didn’t start with very much” to begin his investigation." "
”I think the weakness of Mueller’s substantive findings are suggested by the fact that he has to resort to false statement prosecutions, which really shows that he didn’t start with very much, and that the very fact that he’s conducting an investigation has created these crimes,” Dershowitz told Bill Hemmer. “These are not crimes that had been committed prior to his appointment, they’re crimes that were committed as the result of his appointment, and that raises some questions about the role of special prosecutors in creating crimes, or creating opportunities for crimes to be committed.”
“In the end, I don’t think Mueller’s going to come up with very much, in terms of criminal conduct, that existed before he was appointed, and that’s pretty shocking,” added Dershowitz.
mayjay said:
@JayHawkFanToo Except that your premise is, again, wrong:
Wow, who are you going to cite next, Vox? CNN? I can cite a number of publication that indicate that Mueller’s primary mandate is to determine if there was a conspiracy with Russians. How tax issues for some of the indicted individuals that happened long before Trump even considered running would be related to a conspiracy are beyond his charter and should have been referred to local authorities instead of wasting time and resources but then, he has to have something...anything...to show for all the time and money spent even if it is completely unrelated to his primary task.
No, I am not doing this at all and you know it. I did not say that Duke should be behind the 15 or so undefeated teams but it should be behind KU because KU had to this point the better body of work including 2 wins over top 10 teams while Duke has wins over a very overated UK and Auburn and a loss to Gonzaga. CBS seems to think so ↗ as well as ESPN Power Ranking ↗ both of which have KU as #1. BTW, Newell is the only voter that has Duke as #1 which would indicate all the rest of the voters do not agree with him.
Not quite. According to him ↗ KU is one of the schools recruiting him the hardest...and, Lil Yachty who was the headliner at Late Night last year is his favorite rapper, so KU has that going for it. :smile:
First, I did not say that he individuals did not commit a crime, lying under oath is a crime even if under the circumstance and considering there was no underlying crime it merits a slap on the wrist at most for sheer stupidity.
Now, thank you for making my case with your example in which your individual was found not to have committed the crime being investigated but other unrelated crimes instead. Mueller task was strictly to uncover collusion with the Russians and, while he might have uncovered unrelated crimes (which he really should have referred to local prosecutors) that happen well before Trump was a candidate and for which they should be punished accordingly, no conspiracy with the Russians has been uncovered so far.
mayjay said:
The polls are a collective judgment of which teams are better and are expected to do well.
Actually they are not. The weekly polls are an indicator of how team are doing "NOW" (and this is why they are updated weekly) and not how they are expected to do in the future which is pure speculation and is best left to Vegas and they don't project game results until a day before the game because of the volatility of the predictions. Even their long term projections have odds associated with them and are constantly changing and are by their very nature probabilistic rather than deterministic.
This is the equivalent of asking you to rank 5 player by height with the tallest one first and the shortest one last and you tell me that you have your own way to measure the height of players and you ranked the 6'-3 ahead of the 6'-5" player because he has the potential of growing taller than the 6'5" player, which may or may not happen but certainly is not taller now.
Otherwise the polls are not a judgment call at all. The voters would just sort all teams by record.
This makes absolutely no sense. If a team has ten wins over 10 bottom 20 teams it is not the same as having 10 wins over top 20 teams, right? Ranking by record alone is not a good way to rank teams and I don't know of anyone that does that or would ever consider it.
Records are used for standing within like group of teams such as those in a conference where they all have the same opponents but standings and rankings are two different things.
Exactly. Newell should follow the rules for the weekly polls that represent the here and now and not the past, future or potential of any team. If he wants to use his own criteria he should have his own rating like Pomeroy, Sagarin, Massey or any number of other analysts do.
As far as 1988, KU won that tournament fair and square and in accordance with the rules, regulations and structure in effect at the time, so any discussion is moot.
Having said that, I am an aAdvocate of having a lot less teams and having a best of xxx game elimination starting at least with the Elite 8. I understand that in this scenario KU probably would not have won in 1988 but it is also likely that it could have won 2-3 titles when one bad game eliminated teams with true championship potential.
I understand this but he is not publishing his own ranking, he is voting on a poll that is a snapshot in time which ranks teams based on their current status and production and he is applying criteria that is not supposed part of the poll.
Here is Newell’s explanation for his vote ↗. The only problem appears to be that he is missing the meaning of the weekly polls which is to be a snapshot in time of the teams at the time of the poll but he seems to be looking at the before and after rather than the now...
Here is a list of 10 potential OCs ↗. Some are very unlikely but some are very possible...
That has been the typical penalty in the past but, based on how harshly the NCAA penalized BYU ↗, there into telling what could happen. On the other hand,
UNC got away with not even a slap on the wrist for far more egregious violations.
Your chart is out of date. Mueller started the investigation in May 2017 so he has been going for one year and a half already. There have been 32 indictments and 26 of those are for Russian nationals that will never be extradited. BTW, the Russians asked for an immediate hearing only to find out the government was not even close to proceed and likely will never see a courtroom. Papadopolous got a 14 day sentence, that is not a typo, it was not not 14 years or even 14 moths but 14 days and costed taxpayers $7M. Manafort and the other guilty pleas were for tax issues that happened before Trump even declared his candidacy and unrelated to any thing Russian or for lying to the FBI about something that was not even illegal.
So far the entire investigation has been a nothing-burger.
Interesting and ironic how you criticize when anyone cites FOX News as a source and yet you cite left leaning Axios and particularly ubber ultra left leaning VOX that makes Fox look like a liberal source. Just sayin'...
it is 4-4 now.
Indiana outscored Duke in the second half but dug itself too deep of a hole in the first half.
The amount of data is not that big. Let’s assume that by the end of the season teams have played 30 games each times 350 teams divided by 2, since each game involves 2 teams, results in app. 5,250 games which in computing is a very small data set that would take seconds to recalculate and could be shown in real time but I assume it will be done initially weekly and later in the season hopefully more often.
According to the better regarded conference rankings, the difference between the top 3 conferences is negligible and will continue changing daily depending on who is playing who. The conference challenge games might provide some sepation depending on how the conferences perform.
Zzzzzzzzzzz. You’re too easy to debate with.
To you, everyone that does not agree with you is too easy to debate because you are unwilling or pathologically unable to see any view that is different than yours. It is not a debate, it is a diatribe.
So, you will have to debate/play by yourself or with yourself...whichever floats your boat.
Nate Silver is jumping the gun. Look at what Ken Massey, who I have mentioned before and believe has the best rating system, had to respond.
!0_1543356275002_upload-eb071e7f-7830-498c-ad7c-6f61db4f0400 ↗
I will guess simulations of the system were run using information from previous years at different times of the season and the final results were found to be valid...at least a reasonable person would think they did.
Again, every single game matters for those teams worthy of contending for a berth in the playoffs since a loss means they are out of the playoffs. Nothing too terribly complicated about this.
Also, every single game matters for all teams competing for a berth in a bowl since the better record results not only in eligibility but in a better Bowl as well. KSU was playing for Bowl eligibility last weekend so you bet your a$$ the game mattered to them. For teams like KU who had no hopes of a Bowls, the last couple of games did not matter (although it did for his opponents) but it would have been exactly the same whether the payoff included 4 or 24 teams, right? Nothing too terribly complicated about this either.
Remember? This exactly what I said several post ago...
"I mentioned those few teams only because they were/are directly involved in the 4 team playoff race. Many other games also mattered because they determined bowl eligibility or candidacy to a better bowl. In short, lots of games mattered not only last weekend but the entire season, saying otherwise is disingenuous."
What you are saying is the only the games that matter are those which determine who goes to the playoffs which is asinine. Again you can take my posts out of context or spin them anyway you want but the meaning is very clear to anyone without an agenda.
Good grief...
Agreed. last time UConn won it was maybe a marginal top 20 team; same with KU in 1988. This is why I am in favor to cutting down the field to 8 byes and 16 that play-in to get to 16 teams and then play best of 3 or best of 5.
That was last season when some fans did not show up but Cameron was officially sold out for every game. This season all home games have been sold out. Pretty much like KU although Cameron holds only 9,314 people.
Actually 3 players ↗...
This is Kenneth Massey's Conference ranking as of yesterday. Before then the Big 12 was #1; very small difference between the top 3 conferences.
!0_1543333729859_upload-23d32849-78ef-442d-b170-f411c59ed08c ↗
Here you go... ↗ this is the NCAA version by Andy Katz that now posts on the NCAA site.
Here is the Sports Illustrated ↗ explanation.
I believe a couple of top prospect just signed in with KU so the future looks good.
Archie Miller is a really good coach and he has a decent team with good players and I would not count Indiana out. Yes, duke will likely win but it will not a thumping...at least I don't think it will be...:smile:
Really?
The NCAA restricts student-athletes during season to 20 hours per week total practice/training and they also have school work to take care. Professional football players do this for a living and have one League mandated day off per week and the rest of the week they spend the entire day practicing with the team or doing training and conditioning and most spend additional time doing conditioning on their own ...not even close in preparation/conditioning time between college and pros with pros spending double or triple the preparation time of college players.
Yes, I know what we both were writing and every game that included playoffs contenders absolutely mattered. Also, and unlike basketball, every football game matters. A team can make it to the NCAA with a losing record so wins and loses are really not that important other than for seeding but, to make it to the football playoffs, any more than one loss and you are practically eliminated from contention so every game throughout the season matters to those team with a realistic chance to being the champion.
By the same talk, I believe that 68 teams in the NCAA Tournament is a ridiculously high number with the great majority of team having zero chance and the Tournament is just another junket. I would like to see the format you propose for football applied to basketball instead withe 8 byes and 16 teams in a play-in games to determine the final 16 and from there no single elimination but a best of 3 games instead.
Exactly. college Athletes are not quite conditioned for a longer season since they are student-athletes and not full time athletes and school work would also be affected...not that it would affect elite players but the great majority do not move on to pro sports but work doing something else after school.
Unless there is something in his buyout agreement that specifically prevents him for doing it he is free to do what he wants since he is no longer associated with KU. Actually and depending how his buyout agreement is structured if he gets paid that money might be deducted from his buyout in the same way that salaries from new coaching jobs are many time taken off the buyout.
I have no problem with it and wish Coach Beaty the best of luck.
On the other hand the wheels fell off the volleyball team that finished 15-12 and 8-8 in conference play. Very young team with lots of potential but this last season was below expectations.
Like most computer systems, it gets better as the season moves on. It is the equivalent of a player going in at the end of the game for one minute and hitting a 3 point shot. If you project that number over 40 inured gives you a ridiculous 120 points but once that player has gone in and played more minutes and not scored the numbers will come down to earth. Right now there are too few games and the trends are not set; once teams have played 12-15 games the numbers will get better and by the end of the season the will be a lot more stable and representative.
Pomeroy has Duke at #1 followed by KU, Virginia, UNC, Nevada, Gonzaga, Michigan and Michigan State.
Sagarin has Duke as #1 followed by Michigan State, Gonzaga, Michigan, UNC, KU, Virginia and Texas Tech.
Neither of those rankings is is even close.
Way to take my words out of context. I mentioned those few teams only because they were/are directly involved in the 4 team playoff race. Many other games also mattered because they determined bowl eligibility or candidacy to a better bowl. In short, lots of games mattered not only last weekend but the entire season, saying otherwise is disingenuous.
Outside of the top bowls the rest play in half full stadiums and only because is the last game of the season for both teams. If KU were to qualify and continue winning, how many fans do you thing would go to an extra 4 or 5 games? Not many. Look at the NCAA tournament, except for the later rounds or games involving elite teams, essentially all the other early round games, particularly those for lower seed play in half full arenas. You overestimate the audience for college football games.
Hate to break it to you but outside Kansas and some fans in Missouri nobody really cares about the border wall. MU agreed to a game last season because it though it had a team that could give KU a game; it will not happen again in a while.
KU has been part of the Champions Classic for several years now which provide at least a quality opponent every year. KU also plays this season UK, Villanova , Marquette and Tennessee, 4 high quality opponents in addition to several top 20 ranked Conference teams. KU schedule is and has been consistently plenty strong with several marquee names and does need any more tweaking.
The MSM will build up East Coast teams regardless of who KU plays or does not play.
FWIW, ESPN Power Ratings ↗ have KU as #1.
It is silly to compare the logistics of a football game versus a basketball game. Basketball teams have no problems playing 3 or even 4 games in on e week but football teams are pretty much limited to 1 per week.
Also, the logistics of staging a football game and getting the team to game location are orders of magnitude more complicated than those of a basketball team where the entire traveling party might be around 20 and the equipment fits in gym bags where a football traveling party is well over 100 and transporting the the equipment and supporting gear requires considerably more resources.
I just don't believe there is an audience for a 24 team football playoff.
Several games mattered this past weekend. The OU-WVU kept one team in the race and the other out, same withe Michigan OSU game. Notre Dame beating USC assured it of a spot in the Final Four. Had Clemson lost of if it loses next weekend then it might be out, same for OU and OSU and Georgia and to a lesser extent Alabama. I don't know how you can say games in the past or the upcoming weekend don't matter.
I can see maybe going to 8 teams and extending the season by 3 week but going to 24 teams will never work since the winning team might end up playing 8 games.
You can ask Jesse Newell ↗. he is spreading the word.
The word is out that the way to beat KU is to shoot lots of 3s...except not every team is that good shooting the 3...Tennessee obviously was not.
TV stations in KC were saying last evening that it was likely Snyder’s last game as HC at KSU..
What would you suggest? Looks like this year, barring any huge upsets, the top 3 teams will get in and likely the fourth best will join them and every win seems to count. Expanding the playoffs to 8 teams would not solve the issue since the teams vying for the last spots still would be controversial and logistically adds one more week with final two teams playing 16 games.
Wiggins just had a bad stretch but he will be fine. He is averaging 15.5 ppg for the season.