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@brooksmd said:

@JayhawkRock78 LS who?

I am for sec upsets. SO TIRED of this SEC bunch. When A&M moved over it is twice as obnoxious around here.

I'll be watching- go Royals.(and LSU). Nice to see how Vanderbilt played Mizzou so tough in Columbia today. They were in the game until the last 4 minutes.

SWEET,!!!

Why are so many bats breaking???

Was there a significant a out of cheating in the past? Did they start. X-rays of post season bats? I don't watch the MLB but I know they aren't breaking bats right and left like they've been this post season.

LUCKY BROKEN BAT AND PLAY IMHO.

Big hitters up for the Royals-some insurance runs would be nice.

@Crimsonorblue22 said:

What would you do? I'm in Lawrence for wedding, some friends have a spare ticket for mon pm, should I go? Have wedding clothes and gym clothes. Can miss work. Should I go?

Absolutely go. I almost flew up from Texas to it. Ended up buying two tickets to give to a close friend.

@globaljaybird
He needs to shave that cheesy beard.

I don't watch MLB, but I know somewhere along the line pitches below the knees and/or outside low are strikes- I don't know when this changed. Reminds me when you could catch a bBall pass in the air and when you landed had to pivot on one foot. Now you can jump with both feel after the catch or even drive, jump, land and jump- no travel.

Double play-please!!!!

Darn, just squeezed that hit by 3rd, barely.

@brooksmd
AB-SO-LUTELY

@brooksmd
Ditto.
Remember seeing him play in Busch Stadium back in the 80's.
Had a seat real close to him in the outfield. He had a big night with some great catches and an HR. He was gracious. And smiled and waved to us during the game.

@wrwlumpy
Speaking of Converse, a couple of years ago my daughter and every girl she knew were wearing black Converse to school every day.

So it seems the merchandise and design expertise lay with Dragon (cafepress) and DanR (acme) with both sites covered where liscensing is concerned. bskeet has already been down this road and has a way to move forward as he states above. I will bow out as I don't want to add an extra step to the process but remain at the ready with a credit card.

@drgnslayr
Actually I thought the tone was "avoid" specific names of former players as in it could lead to trouble from somewhere sometime-I didn't think he meant trouble with KU.
With all this signature and image vs ncaa going on it's probably good advice even though we aren't trying to make a buck.

@jaybate-1.0

Just above you will see a comment from approxfinity.
I don't remember if bskeet weighed in.

@JayhawkRock78 said:

On top of the note to Acme & cafepress I sent an email to Keating who replied he sent it on to the proper contact.

As for designs by DanR and other suggestions I think we can go with all of them until we hear from the powers that be and then let users choose style and sizes.

RCJH

@approxinfinity said:

I've been extremely busy recently and so I'm sorry I haven't gotten anything done on this. @JayhawkRock78 and you guys have my endorsement however you want to go with this. This will always be a community and I appreciate your efforts in making good things happen. Rock Chalk!

With all you've done with this site you should never apologize to anyone here for anything. RCJH

I can't help. I have to watch them play a few games.

I will go along with both solutions and try to help or butt out if I'm in the way. I suggest those active in this effort read the email I just got back from KU....in a nutshell we can move forward if we cover our bases and watch out for a few things.

From KU:

Hi John,

Larry Keating forwarded your e-mail to me.

I'm not familiar with your group, but I'm sure we can find a middle ground on what you want to do.

Based on what you've described, here's probably where I'd lean:

1. I'd avoid using the names of Naismith & Wilt.
2. It'll be cleanest for us if the URL doesn't have "KU" in it.

That being said, the honest truth is that the URL "kubuckets.com" may not ultimately be an issue, unless it becomes a site for commercial activity or the site makes an attempt to appear like it is somehow endorsed or sponsored by KU or Kansas Athletics. We have folks take our content and logos all the time and post it as their own, which confuses the public into thinking we are associated to it. At that point, as you might imagine, we have issues.

I'm certainly open to discussing this and the tee shirts further. I'm slightly concerned that you seeking "more exposure" for the web URL more visible by "advertising" on tees you would wear, but I may be over thinking it. ACME is a licensed vendor and they would send me the artwork for review.

Something like a peach basket and "Bucket Brigade" on a tee is not an issue though. I just have to be careful about promoting an outside web site with our logos.

Please feel free to contact me with any questions you may have; I'm happy to visit in person about this.

Thanks for reaching out to us.

Paul

--
Paul Vander Tuig
Trademark Licensing Director
Kansas Athletics, 1412 Wagnon
1651 Naismith Drive
Lawrence, KS 66045
(785) 864-4650
pvt@ku.edu

@Crimsonorblue22
I am an old fart and have in clue-better go with advice of a young stud or probably better yet a mature woman.

@brooksmd
My avatar,is my kids in Alaska with gramps when they were very young
They didn't see the night sky because the night was so short that July visit. Another trip to Yosemite gave them a good view at high altitude and zero light pollution but they were in grade school and it didn't make an impression.

I feel bad because light pollution has robbed most people in NA and developed countries of the night show God put up nightly for free for eons. We have a telescope we rarely use but at least I've been able to show them the rings around Saturn. That isn't as impressive as the night sky where you can really see most the stars. I owe them that and need to get it done soon.

Glad that got sorted out gents. JHBC- every thing I think I know about you and others here is "NO MALICE" all the way around. You bring some deep thinking into this and it went clear over my head history wise so perhaps it got by others.

So let me say this about that-lets start with the KU bBall Stuff, and there is a lot of knowledge-better yet WISDOM on this board that could benefit a LOT of people outside of our bBall world.

Maybe we start another site to help point youngsters in the right direction.

Have a nice walk. It's been beautiful over here in Houston but no doubt you are seeing many many more stars. I am overdue taking my kids somewhere they can see the Milky Way making a beautiful streak across the night sky among several thousand points of light.

I'm just guessing. Maybe NCAA rules don't go back before high school?

I think she is 13, and Olympics are 15 or 16 and older? There is a lot of possibilities here. She is special though. I just don't think her arm will hold up much longer.

@brooksmd
My gut reaction is she could have deferred compensation through her parents or an escrow account to preserve her amateur status as a High school athlete but made so much money on this that NCAA money is a joke. Even as little as 100k for the commercial would pay for a college degree while she makes the rounds in a kind of AAA. And I bet she could endorse a ton of baseball/softball gear for youngsters.

No clue-but I have to check it versus our HS football and soccer games.

YES,!!

It keeps getting better!!!!

Go Royals

Per your stats and checking espn Tarik got a road win as a starter.
And. As your stats show he only played just a bit over 15 minutes of play. 4/5 field, 2/4 FT for 10 points and 8 rebounds-great stats for 15 minutes but with 5 fouls he limited his self. I am sorry I didn't tape it.

Super busy here with kids activities but if I see he is starting in Houston I will go see him play decked out in my KU gear

HEY TARIK-show them your stuff.

Some good ideas JBC

It seems we have a comfort level with DanR to take his ideas and include a few others and propose some designs. Then we can a vote on it. Maybe it's one print to start with which I would guarantee 24 prints from acme so we hit the price point and let folks order individually.

We could also pick the top 2 or 3 and go from there.

DanR, can you present our ideas? Then the rest of us can vote on them and add options to consider. From what I've already seen we have a bunch of really good ideas to choose from.

everybody's response or are you taking a fun shot at ECH?

@DanR
A KU Buckets guy who can design our stuff that lives in Lawrence. The stars are aligning.

Should have posted this request I sent to acme BEFORE I gave ya'll the answer. Here it is.

There is a group of KU fans that have a website called kubuckets.com

We were thinking of having T-shirts made up. We don’t know about licensing issues.

This is a non profit bunch of fans just having fun. We would not mark anything up to make money. In fact I may just order a few and pay for them out of my own pocket.

If we just use, kubuckets.com, do we need to go to KU for approval?

If we include the logo in the upper right hand of the web page, I suspect we need the approval. How is that done?

(I cant figure out the cut and paste, but I included the website logo here as an example.)
kubuckets.com

Another suggestion includes more verbiage

Kansas University Jayhawks

Playing Naismith ball since 1898

KUBuckets.com

Costs?

Is it easier to just have individuals order directly from you as some would need them shipped?

Ideals are peaceful, history is violent.

(This is from Fury- and I wasn't able to find an earlier credit to anyone else.)

@jaybate-1.0
Absolutely I would watch out for them. If you see my post this afternoon under T-shirt subject, we have a legal solution with acme that deals directly with KU.

@Crimsonorblue22
Good point-individuals would have lots of flexibility with types of shirts, colors, etc.

But as I said, if ya'll want to vote on one to get a standard rolling, I will get it going.

Below is my answer from Acme in Lawrence.

Hi there,

Yes, this is something we could potentially print, but only because we have a licensing agreement with the university. As such, anything with KU or Jayhawk or reference to that, has to be approved by KU. How it all works is we would put the design together (either in store or via email) and then you pay a $5.00 approval fee. That fee goes to the university for using their logos and we submit it to the approval board. Once they give us the okay, then we can go ahead with the order. Since any of your ideas would need approval I think all of them would work equally as well, so it's really just up to you which direction you'd like to go with the shirt. Just let us know which one you'd like us to put a design together for and we'll get a rough draft started for you!

Now as far as the printing goes, we could make a design and just have it on file and people can call in or email and order one and pay for them individually. If you want to get them at a cheaper price though, I would suggest having a bulk order printed up that people could purchase from you or the website. Any order over 24 shirts, we can have screenprinted by our friends here in town and save you a lot of money. So for example, an individual shirt in our store, with a one sided single color print is $18.95 before tax. The same shirt with a one color print on one side screenprinted would just be $8.71 before tax. So if that would be a possibility I would recommend going with one big order. But again, that's totally up to you and what would work best for you!

Please let us know if you have any questions and if you'd like us to put a design together!

end of email.

So fellow Bucketeers,

Here is how I see it. Every design comes with a $5 approval fee. I have the feeling if we were to all pick the same one, we might not even get to the price break of 24 each that would lower the price from $18.95 to $8.71.

I could start the ball rolling if we were to vote on one, but I am thinking maybe we all want to choose our own shirt, and individually deal with acme for $5 + $18.95. There are so many good choices already I think it would be cool if different messages/slogans about KU Buckets are out there for the world to see.

What say you?

@Kip_McSmithers said:

Here is the guy we need to obtain written permission from:

Paul Vander Tuig, Trademark Licensing Director

The University of Kansas

Office of Trademark Licensing

1601 Irving Hill Road

Burge Union, Room 306

Lawrence, KS 66045-7557

Phone: (785) 864-4650

FAX: (785) 864-3877

e-mail: pvt@ku.edu

Here's the list of verbiage that is trademarked:

• The University of Kansas ®
  (Use "THE" when possible)
• KU ®
• Kansas Jayhawks ®
• Jayhawks ®
• The Crimson and the Blue™
• Kansas ®
• Beak 'Em Hawks
• Rock Chalk Jayhawk®
• Allen Fieldhouse ®
• Kivisto Field ®

On the KU Athletics page they have a FAQ page and one of the questions is about royalties and what happens to the money raised from the royalties. Proceeds generated by the trademark licensing program are returned to KU students through academic or athletic scholarships and student programs administered by the KU Endowment Association. All net royalties are deposited into these funds annually.

This is some more info on my Fair Use stance.

Some courts have recognized a somewhat different, but closely-related, fair-use defense, called nominative use. Nominative use occurs when use of a term is necessary for purposes of identifying another producer's product, not the user's own product. For example, the newspaper USA Today ran a telephone poll, asking its readers to vote for their favorite member of the music group New Kids on the Block. The New Kids on the Block sued USA Today for trademark infringement. The court held that the use of the trademark "New Kids on the Block" was a privileged nominative use because: (1) the group was not readily identifiable without using the mark; (2) USA Today used only so much of the mark as reasonably necessary to identify it; and (3) there was no suggestion of endorsement or sponsorship by the group. The basic idea is that use of a trademark is sometimes necessary to identify and talk about another party's products and services. When the above conditions are met, such a use will be privileged. New Kids on the Block v. News America Publishing, Inc., 971 F.2d 302 (9th Cir. 1992). Read Here for more... ↗

Thanks. I have a response from acme-see cut and paste below.

@wissoxfan83
PHOF

On top of the note to Acme & cafepress I sent an email to Keating who replied he sent it on to the proper contact.

As for designs by DanR and other suggestions I think we can go with all of them until we hear from the powers that be and then let users choose style and sizes.

RCJH

@approxinfinity said:

I've been extremely busy recently and so I'm sorry I haven't gotten anything done on this. @JayhawkRock78 and you guys have my endorsement however you want to go with this. This will always be a community and I appreciate your efforts in making good things happen. Rock Chalk!

With all you've done with this site you should never apologize to anyone here for anything. RCJH

@jaybate-1.0 said:

@nuleafjhawk

Small jitterbug.

Sunset.

Large mouth.

Filet.

Soak in 7-up 10 minutes.

Light flour with some salt and white pepper.

Fry in soybean oil (this is the secret I learned at the incomparable Jim Shaws in Macon, Georgia.

No wine anywhere near the frying pan.

No sauce on the fish.

Let the fish be the dish.

Do something fancy with the vegetables and put a spoon of Better than Boullion Chicken stock paste in the Anson Mills grits.

Gotta be Anson Mills, or any other southern stone grinder that leaves the germ in.

Come and get it!

Sounds great.

Better make it late enough in the spring to see things in bloom! You wouldn't want her to see the place on a cold wet day.

Perhaps that will keep us below the radar.

And please don't take this as a shot at you. I love to visit NO, but that is a very corrupt city/state IMO. We were there for my daughter's club bball tourney, and they made the girls show them all their bags and made them throw out their water bottles, making them buy inside the facility for $2 each. I've never seen an athletic organization do anything so sleazy in my life.-there were probably 100 teams of teenage girls in that tourney.

I am so overdue to visit Timmy's dream course.

I love what you did. You remind me of a marketing gal that worked for me back in the day.
I would cook something up and show it to her-the next day she'd have something that would blow my socks off. I guess my brain is just too linear.

@DanR
Those are all outstanding. I was trying to do a cut and paste with the website logo. Acme has it and will let me know.

However, I love all three of your designs and it may be best to use yours as is.

This is a big help.

I am in touch with Acme and am looking into cafepress today as well.
I will find out what we can or can't do but acme tells me they run things by ku regularly.

I am beginning to think I just try a few designs with cafepress t shirts and a simple hat. Everyone could order themselves or even design their own. If they are so inclined.

I will keep ya'll posted.

Love that picture. I actually worked all those cornfields running detasseling crews for Pioneer one summer. I can't tell if that is wheat or corn stubble in the photo though.

Thanks for the link-that scares me but the intent is non-profit-
Just exposure. Perhaps in the end I just need to print a few things and give them away-zero change of money beyond what I pay someone to print and then give them away.