@approxinfinity said in Ok State tourney ban:
...and loss of 3 scholarships for next three years? Ouch.
So, if they got that, what are we going to get from the independent committee? Remember, we're not directly connected, and there is everything that is happening with Zion, Duke and Nike and what not. I want to know everyone's opinion.
@BeddieKU23 said in NOA response from KU discussion:
There's always the risk the independent group finds other evidence that damages KU's case even further. That's the devil's advocate side of it. It could as you said see the case the way KU has presented it or find some sort of middle ground. No appeal process here though
True. I wonder how much longer this is going to take?
I am really looking forward to seeing this guy suit up as a Jayhawk.
@FarmerJayhawk said in NOA response from KU discussion:
Case probably won’t take the pay cut to go pro. Probably doesn’t change much for us. Our case hinges on Gassnola, not anyone employed by KU.
You got it, and he's not going to change his story. The financial windfall for him is too great, once this all wraps up. I still say that it bodes well that our case is being heard by the independent - I hope it is independent, anyway - committee. Too much bad blood between KU and the NCAA, at this point.
@BeddieKU23 said in Zach Clemence:
Ranked #29 in Rivals recent update. Yay for Zach
He'll probably be a McDonald's All-American. I am so glad that he committed. Hope we can snag another Sunrise guy. Hell, I hope we can put a net around Sunrise every year.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in NOA response from KU discussion:
@Crimsonorblue22 Yes, and Vitale is now in full back track mode saying will receive their NOA soon.
Interesting. So Vitale has an informant or two or three in the NCAA. Why would I be surprised.
@mayjay said in NOA response from KU discussion:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Doesn't KU have to consent to the unappealable procedure featuring Dick Tracy & Co? What is the advantage, since they are free to go beyod the NCAA charges?
Dick Tracy? He has got a very cool watch. Makes Apple's look very mundane, by comparison.
I called it..
@BeddieKU23 said in 2020 Transfer List:
@Woodrow said in 2020 Transfer List:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2020 Transfer List:
Texas Tech, Auburn, Memphis, USC, BYU, Wake Forest, Arkansas
With Moreti gone I bet he ends up @ Tech.
Tech is actually full on scholarships right now. Of course numbers always work out but he would have to sit a year so it doesn't help losing Moretti. They have 5 star Burnett replacing him anyway
Which is probably why he left.
@BeddieKU23 said in NOA response from KU discussion:
The NCAA has recommended KU's case to the IARP. Yikes
It bodes very well for us. It also shows just how weak and spineless the NCAA actually is.
@BShark said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
@BeddieKU23 could happen. Like you said IHCC plays more platoon style. We know Bill is the opposite lately and will play his best guys heavy minutes.
Though, and for good reason, he is saying that he'll play more guys this year. We are so deep with wings it isn't even funny. Similar to the Duke team that Butler that year?
@FarmerJayhawk said in Tyon Grant Foster commits to KU:
With his size and length I could see him starting at the 4 by the end of the year in a Josh Jackson type role. He's not Josh, but is similar stylistically.
I could see that too. Think that he will. So, with who we have coming in not only this but also next season how long will it be before Wilson transfers?
I don't Hurt anymore, now that we've nabbed Clemence. Our recruiting is on the upswing (gee, I wonder why?).
@BShark said in 2020 Recruiting:
@Woodrow said in 2020 Recruiting:
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Oh my.
Oh man - take, take, take if we can... That someone would have to leave to make room there is no doubt. Perhaps Coach already knows that a roster spot is going to be open?
@RockkChalkk I'm not talking about the Ivy Leaguers, but places like Syracuse, St. Johns, etc.
@jayballer73 I think we'll have sports soon.
@drgnslayr I have never been a fan of the NCAA, think that in many respects it makes the communist party look democratic.
@jayballer73 okay, just checking. It had been awhile since you last posted.
@wissox Me too, was just giving my take on it.
@BeddieKU23 If he has a senior season he might be able to be a McDonald's All-American.
@wissox said in Random KU Basketball stuff:
Anytime you see KU in some random thing mention it here.
I just read Mike Jordan's first college game was against Kansas, a game in which he scored 12 points and in true to form fashion, felt disrespected by KU saying "They didn't think I could shoot". If anyone has seen the basketball show on the Bulls, it seems like MJ was just always looking for slights.
Q Ball is a terrific netflix series on a highly performing basketball team in San Quentin Prison. The team plays some outside teams including a team that calls themselves the Golden State Warriors. Mainly it's front office people in the organization and the coach is Aaron Miles. He gets a few nice little cameos in the series towards the latter part anyways.
The net of KU basketball spreads wide so as you see these things post them here.
Bigtime Jordan fan, and you are right, it seems that damn near everyone slighted him. Is it just me, or is The Last Dance not particularly putting him in a good light? Punching not one but atleast two teammates, while using as Barkley (love me some Barkley) said, "selective persecution."
@mayjay I know someone who was actually cited for a dui - and no, it wasn't me - in his privately owned driveway.
@jayballer73 where are you?
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Zach Clemence:
@jayballer73 Anywhere between 3 and 8. 3 for sure with Garrett, Lightfoot, and DeSousa graduating. McCormack, Agbaji, and Thompson are the early departure candidates, personally I don't see any of them leaving after next season. Then Muscadin and Jossell are potential transfer options. Jossell being the more likely candidate if he doesn't show signs of developing into a role player down the road. Muscadin needs time in the weight room more than anything right now. He'll probably never be a star, but a solid rotation player in the future.
I like Muscadin. Think he is going to be a diamond in the rough.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Next season...:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Next season...:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Harvard is also online, we have them on our bb schedule
The Ivy League is a totally different animal in this matter because those schools are truly academics first. They don't allow redshirts, even medical, so none of their spring sports athletes are getting their extra year of eligibility. They also don't give athletic scholarships, all athletes are on academic scholarship at Ivy League schools.
The Ivy League could permanently cancel all sports programs at their schools and be minimally impacted financially by that decision.
I wouldn't be shocked if KU has to find a replacement team for that game such as UMKC, Mo. St., SEMO, Drake, or some other smaller school in the area, possibly even a D2 program.
Yeah, it is looking more and more like the college football and basketball schedules will be comprised mostly of, if not all, midwestern and southern teams which, ofcourse, will open a whole nother can of worms - all of the east and west coast players wanting to transfer to other schools.
@wissox said in 2020-21 Non-conference Schedule:
Yes! Missouri!
Wallop City... And I'm not knocking that you are looking forward to the game (I'm looking forward to beating them too). But man, for real, when was the last time that Mizzou was nationally relevant?
Anyway, hope that we do have a season. In fact, taking it a step further, we need to. Are there going to be loses? Yeah, sadly, we don't yet have a vaccine. But we need sports, and need to get on with our lives. We have to. We can't sit around waiting for death. We have to live.
Question. Has the NCAA ever lost? Get ready, with our case soon looming - along with everything else that is going on - they are soon going to. In fact, I'll take it a step further. The NCAA will soon offer KU very favorable terms, wanting us to get in line. But should we? The NCAA's days of being judge, jury and executioner are coming to an end.
If we get Sallis and Brown too and another big I could definitely live with that. Is a just me or have we backed off from Bates a bit?
Considering the season that we just had, along with the team that we have coming back and those coming in - man, I hope we have college basketball this year! - coupled with getting Clemence, I am so over Matt Hurt not being a Jayhawk that it isn't even funny! Is it just me or is this guy a bigtime baller? What were his stats this past season?
Pretty pumped about this guy.
@mayjay said in Next season...:
@approxinfinity I find them pretty hard to breathe in, so I imagine it would be torture to have to breathe while in extreme exertion.
I can see opposing players grabbing masks. Will they interrupt games every time a mask comes off, as they stop for blood now? 4 hour football games, etc.
Maybe the answer will also address concussions: flag football (with latex gloves, of course).
Man, you're too much. But you are right. A worldwide pandemic going on with no vaccine, and people - especially the sports talking heads - are still hoping beyond hope that there will be college athletics. I love college sports, but let's be realistic. How can there be football or basketball when everyone else is taking their classes online?
@HighEliteMajor said in NOA response from KU discussion:
@Marco A realistic question - if folks are tired of the NCAA's "dictatorial" ways, why do the colleges allow it? I understand the sentiment. We all hate the NCAA I guess. But the schools don't. The schools make the rules. The schools could upend all of their authority.
To everyone on this topic - The facts aren't in our favor. All the nit-picking about who knew what, or told someone, or whatever, is irrelevant. Here's why - the NCAA, with all of that, already leveled its opinion by sending us the NOA. Then, after our Response, they came back with their Reply and said our violations were "severe and egregious." The NCAA knows these facts and with that, they doubled-down and did not moderate.
@hawkfan01 I don't think Bray's comment does anything for KU. The issue for Bray would be if their shoeco paid athletes to go to ND. Then they'd be in the same hot water IF the NCAA had that info. Correct? If details on Zion come out, I think we'll still look bad .. but Duke may look just as bad. And, of course, that is good.
@BeddieKU23 I'm interested in the rule section you're referring to on using trial or third party evidence. Do you have a reference to that?
The chatter has finally started, universities are talking about upending it. Time for the parasites to go get real jobs. Do I think that the NCAA has a purpose as a loose governing body? Yeah, I guess so, for the sake of all men's and women's athletics. But way out on the periphery, and not so much in everyone's grill as they pick winners and losers while - yeah, I'm saying it - lining their own pockets.
This nation has a serious problem with protecting and further enriching those who already have and or have been in power. Case in point, Condoleeza Rice. I like her, always have, but what business does she have being on both the NCAA college football playoff committee and the one that recommends changes to college basketball? Because she is a fan? Give me a break.
@mayjay said in NOA response from KU discussion:
@HighEliteMajor I was intrigued by your comment indicating the possibility of the NCAA using some testimony from the federal trial but disavowing other testimony that may undermine its case against KU.
The reason I am intrigued is that I think that if the NCAA does this,, they will indeed hand a federal lawsuit to KU on a silver platter. The NCAA may govern its owm members by its own rules and procedures. I have discussed for what seems like years how the courts will defer to private adjudicatory processes that are directed to voluntary members of an organization (which you also have discussed). So long as an organization follows its own rules (which must include notice, the right to be heard, and some type of appeal) courts keep their hands off. Churches, lodges, etc all administer their proceedings largely unfettered. It is also really what underlies the general legislative and common law deference to arbitrations.
There is one exception, however, that the NCAA could easily stumble into. First, a general observation: let's remember that the use by the NCAA of evidence from federal criminal trials has never been tested anywhere. In virtually all penalty types of proceedings, using testimony from a third party against the subject of the proceeding is usually allowed only when the subject of the proceeding had a chance to cross-examine or otherwise participate (whether they availed themselves of it or not). It is entirely likely in my mind that a court faced with the notion of use of outside testimony against a party that had no ability to participate in that proceeding would consider this as a case of first impression potentially impacting hundreds--thousands, including D2 and D3--of schools. The huge importance of ensuring that the NCAA's rules passed a fundamental test of private adudicatory due process would absolutely, in my mind, guarantee a willingness by a court to take the case.
But secondarily, this case itself would beg for review if the NCAA chose to use their rules by cherry picking which evidence from a court case to use. It is axiomatic that the NCAA developed the rule to get to things it otherwise would miss since it has no subpoena power. I think courts could easily say that there is nothing more arbitrary than excising disfavorable evidence while trumpeting the favorable. Courts, even if willing to let the NCAA use this novel power after considering that first challenge discussed above, might (I think "would") decide that the NCAA can only use evidence that is specifically and conclusively established as a finding in the prior case. Evidence that is extraneous to a guilty finding should not be used because it may well not have been the result of a judicial or jury finding.
Example: Agent is on trial for providing drugs to get Student A to sign a representation contract in high school. Student A testifies that he and Agent invited classmate Student B to dinner and did drugs later. Agent is found guilty. NCAA wants to impose initial eligibility sanction on Student B for accepting value (meal and drugs) from Agent, and tries to introduce Student A's testimony to prove it.
I think a court would say it violates fundamental fairness to allow the use of extraneous evidence like that. A judge or jury could have found Agent guilty while disbelieving that Student B was involved.
Anyway, if the NCAA tries to disregard the testimony that KU did not know of the payments, I think the door is wide open.
And there it is, neatly rolled into a tortilla, thank you @mayjay. People are tired of the NCAA's dictatorial ways, being able to pick and choose.
I don't think that there is going to be any college sports this year anyway - football, basketball, any. You cannot say there will be no classes on campus, yet say yes to having sports, no way.
I don't think there will be school, not at most of the universities (atleast not for awhile) and therefore no college football. June is in a little over two weeks. Basketball? When, '21-'22?
@FarmerJayhawk said in NOA response from KU discussion:
If colleges make the bad choice to bring athletes on campus but tell other students to stay home it’ll send exactly the wrong message about “amateurism.”
That will totally destroy all of their myths.
@HighEliteMajor said in NOA response from KU discussion:
Good evening. Hope everyone is well. This is a horrible topic for Kansas basketball fans. Truth is important. Not what we want or hope. But "red pill" stuff. Reality. We are staring into the abyss - some thoughts:
- It is important to remember that "going to Court" is not a wild shoot-out. It's been suggested by many here. It just isn't that easy to make a reasonable case here. We should all understand that any court "solution" is a long shot at best. Just remember that - a long shot.
- Think about this - remember in the Adidas trial when the judge excluded certain evidence? Remember when the judge wouldn't even let the defense call coaches to the stand? Heck, the judge wouldn't even let the wiretapped call with Townsend into evidence, as the defense wanted. Why? It wasn't relevant to Gatto's actions. Gatto's actions. Just like KU's actions will be the focus in any lawsuit. It's just not as simple as saying, "look, all of the top schools operate this way" and calling whatever witnesses you want to call. The fact is, the judge won't let us subpoena Zion. Or coach K. That sounds nice. But those suggesting it just have no clue.
- Very importantly, going to court is also not one-sided. I'm quite sure the NCAA might choose to place Bill Self under oath in a deposition. Think about that. Federal court may not be quite as attractive as you might think, and it certainly may not be that attractive to Bill Self. Think of every question that the NCAA might want to pose to Bill Self to defend their actions. Right, that wouldn't be pretty - I mean, since "everyone does it." This "let's go to court" thing is not as simple as attacking the NCAA. The NCAA will defend with a vengeance. And they would get what they can't get now, folks under oath. Bill Self under oath.
- And in a court proceeding, the NCAA could then use subpoenas to defend against KU's attacks. Think about that.
- Even if the NCAA's perceived selective enforcement was really an issue, the NCAA can easily simply respond and state that they would certainly act if there was proof against other schools that was similar to the proof against Kansas. That the DOJ investigation uncovered information that they wouldn't have been able to develop. That they have limited resources. And that the supposed acts of other schools is irrelevant as to whether Kansas violated rules. KU would have still violated the rules.
- It would be quite obvious to any judge that this circumstance has not arisen before, meaning this extensive a criminal prosecution, and thus there is no precedent to suggest it has handled others similarly situated, differently.
- Further, and I said this very early on -- just because others have committed a crime and didn't get caught, or the police can't develop the evidence, doesn't mean that the one guy that gets caught isn't going to jail. We hear that a lot now.
- In any court action, the NCAA will correctly say that they have the right to administer "justice" under its governing authority. The NCAA is the representative of the schools. The schools are the shareholders, so to speak, and they make the rules. KU is a shareholder. This is not a debatable item.
- I'm just saying that's the way it is. This is classic "red pill" stuff.
- I've read the "scorched earth" suggestion. It is really not a practical nor advisable solution to go "scorched earth" now, in my opinion. That is, it won't help. Again, I think some think that this "going to court" thing is just a wide open forum to level accusations. Lawyers can't do that in court. Lawyers get sanctioned. It's why during proceedings lawyers are smart and offer "no comment" or a vague discussion of having trust in the process. "Scorched earth" is much better as a persuasive tool to coerce a more reasonable approach from the NCAA. "Scorched earth" as vengeance does us no good. We still lose.
- Early on I think many of you will recall that I suggested that we threaten to "burn it down" when confronted by the NCAA's approach to punishing us while they know that others are doing the same thing. I suggested that we surely know where the bodies are buried - e.g., what others have been paid, by whom, and how much. This was not a popular suggestion. My thought was to very aggressively persuade the NCAA not to drop the hammer, because if they did, we would spill all the dirty laundry. Zion. Ayton. Everything we know. Call it an open letter to NCAA members that gets leaked. Whatever. But to coerce us out of this mess. It seems like that ship has passed. And out of court, call it "scorched earth" or "burn it down", it should be in play.
- A point of concern - How can the NCAA back down now? "Egregious" and "severe." Have you ever heard that before from the NCAA? We chose to attack. We chose this path. How can they NOT hammer us now?
- Our strategy is and has been a complete disaster. Unmitigated disaster -- as it appears right now. This reply by the NCAA was the worst possible news we could have gotten. As a KU basketball fan, I'm disgusted by the incompetence of our leadership. And this isn't Monday morning quarterbacking. I've said this all along.
- Do I believe Bill Self is ultimately the boss? I do. The Godfather in a positive sense. A guy whose ring we all should kiss -- for his BB contributions. But I also believe that if the AD told Bill Self before that October/2018 disastrous press conference that we needed to be less confrontational, and that others advised the same thing, Bill Self is smart enough to listen. I also believe that if the AD was forceful about being conciliatory, that would have been heeded.
- You might recall that I suggested at the time that we be contrite, that we acknowledge issues, be supportive of the NCAA and its goals, and cooperate. Not roll over. But pledge to address the issues, be transparent, and not deny Adidas' role. Show that we were working within the process. Again, I'm not sure I had one person that agreed with me. And I acknowledge that cooperation doesn't always mean you skate.
- But many followed Bill Self's unfortunate lead from October/2018. They took comfort in the fact that if Bill Self was defiant, there must be good cause. The middle finger to the NCAA so many crowed about. Well, Bill Self is not as brilliant as many seem to think. He should really stick to coaching basketball.
- Then, this "brilliant" man, together with our AD, think this whole Snoop Dog thing is a good idea with the money guns and ill-conceived announcement will Self in the big gold chain. Bill Self then feigned ignorance after Late Night. Again, how many here cheered all of that? Use your brain.
- The fact is, this reply from the NCAA shows that there are petty folks in the enforcement division that get personally offended. The exact thing I was concerned about. You don't attack the folks that decide your punishment. You don't use inflammatory language. You massage your denial. The language used by the NCAA was strong and intended to shove it back in our faces. You'd hope that folks in positions of enforcing rules (or laws) would not be like that, but they are. Same with prosecutors in criminal cases. Offend them and they can and will make your life hell. Why? They really answer to no one. They have a monolithic client and they have unfettered authority. They have power and they get satisfaction in exerting it. It's that simple.
- Yet we chose in all of our responses to attack. What's worse, Bill Self in the October/2018 press conference lied. And the NCAA knows it. Self was indignant. And those enforcing the rules know that he was untruthful in his statement of indignation. We also chose ... uh, only for the purpose of trying to get Silvio exonerated .. to ADMIT (again, for the purposes of the reinstatement) that Adidas was in fact a booster. Just stupidity. Never make that sort of a specific admission. Long, of course, the one of the brilliant decision to fight David Beatty on his contractual payments.
- Ladies and gentlemen, Jeff Long should be fired. He's the AD. He guides everything the athletic department does. He's where the buck should stop. Right?
- Ah, but there's the rub. We hired Jeff Long and guess what? You know what's coming -- He gets more guaranteed money if we go on probation. Unreal. That's the guy in charge of keeping us off probation. You motivate your AD. You enable your AD to take a destructive path.
- Of course, Bill Self could be the actual leader here and the Long the follower. What happens then if we get hammered and Self was really that leader? His October/2018 statement set the tone. The wrong tone. If he was the leader, the decision maker, and we get hammered, Bill Self must go.
- I said when all of this started that there is a very high risk that this whole deal ends with Bill Self not coaching at Kansas. Anyone feel better now than in October/2018 when pretty much everyone told me that was foolish? If you do feel better, you are (again) ignoring all objective evidence. This is serious. And his job is in jeopardy. Don't tell me some insider says, oh, he's good, or that the donors support him. This is deadly serious.
- As mentioned above, how can the NCAA back down now? To back down now would be the ultimate disgrace to the NCAA. We don't want the group that decides our punishment pissed off and doubling down. But we've managed to create that situation. The opposite of brilliant.
- On another note, the quote from the NCAA in the reply has been wildly misinterpreted. The quote - “There is no cause for concern among member institutions as most of their relationships with corporate entities comply with NCAA legislation.” See the word most? That just means 51% or more. That doesn't mean all. Despite Mike Decoursey saying it's "preposterous", it's really reasonable. So of all the schools that have shoe contracts, all of them, 51% or more did what KU did with Adidas, or close to it? Of course not. Adidas and Nike don't do the dirty work for Colorado, or Washington, or other nondescript programs. They aren't answering to those coaches. Bruce Weber isn't getting that treatment at K-State. I heard an NCAA hoops insider, a recruiting guy, talking about how the shoecos focus their resources on their biggest names. That makes complete sense. We've all heard that.
- I saw this mentioned above, referencing DeCoursey, "Mike Decourcy asks the most important question here: How do you claim that adidas is a representative of kansas’ athletic interests but also claim that shoe/apparel companies like nike are not acting in the interest of other universities?" Here's the answer - The NCAA is not saying that Nike ISN'T acting for other universities. Where have they said they aren't?
- The booster thing with Adidas should not be minimized. KU was well aware of this interpretation before this transpired. KU sent a memo to businesses related to that exact issues (as is referenced in many kusports.com articles). The rules clearly cover Adidas. I've posted the rules. It's quite easy to see, unless you're purposefully trying to ignore it. We admitted that Adidas was a booster, as mentioned above. Did Duke, or UK, or another school make that admission? One man goes to jail because he admitted something. Another walks free because he kept his mouth shut. Right?
- We clearly relied upon and requested Adidas to help in recruiting. This is uncontroverted. Again, we go back to what seems to be the bail-out argument many suggest -- "well, others do it." Or, "why aren't they going after Duke?" That simply won't cut. Or claiming it's a "crock." Or complaining about how unfair all this is? Or really making up a narrative that minimizes everything? Don't we all know that now?
- I saw the comment about KU and its boosters being in this until the "bitter end." Remember, that means the end is "bitter." This should never have been the stance. Ever. Suicide isn't honorable, not in a cave on Iwo Jima, and certainly not with OUR basketball program. We are clearly THE example. This is the worst case scenario we all feared. And as I said immediately after Bill Self's misguided response in October/2018, the path we have chosen is a disaster. Now we are facing what could be irreparable harm to our basketball program.
- We have created a situation where the NCAA has nowhere to go but to hammer us. We did that to ourselves. Not saying it's right, but we did nothing to give the NCAA an out or room to wiggle. We attacked, starting with Self's foolishness. We claimed the whole thing was frivolous, and that the NCAA's charges were "misguided, unprecedented, and meritless." The NCAA now says, after all the briefing, that the violations are "egregious and severe" and that "few facts are not in dispute." Prepare yourselves.
Or, choose the blue pill.
... But how do you really feel?
It is never too early, considering that this is May. Is there going to be a season? No vaccine until November or December if even then. KU is a university, not a pro team. I am thinking that the NCAA will be chomping at the bit to have a basketball season, especially after - I don't think there will be one - not having a football season. But it is not going to happen.
@Crimsonorblue22 I am sorry to hear that..
They don't have squat... Allegations and innuendo.
I am starting to feel good about my prediction... In fact, in light of everything, my prediction might a bit too severe.
@BShark said in Self On Next Season:
I don't think he is bad, just blown out of proportion by the hype machine and portions of the fan base give his actual last on court production. He is a good bench player. I just don't think he is a starter first team all league etc...
Give me your next season starting 5, and first five off the bench.
@kjayhawks said in Last Dance:
@Texas-Hawk-10 A good point, the Bulls drafted Jordan, Pippen and Tony. I’ll also add that Luc Longley and Steve Kerr were cheap because they were considered busts before Chicago. Both guys averaged 20, 15 mpg and less than 6 ppg respectively before the bulls picked them up. Pippen was a big question mark going into the draft, dude was a manager on a D2 team and grew like 5 inches one summer, then got the chance to play. But it was a big question mark if he could go toe to toe with the NBAs best. The closest comparison to the Bulls of the 90s is the warriors. They drafted guys like Green, Thompson and Curry that most teams pasted on and didn’t think they could play at that level. It will be interesting to see how the warriors are next season with having paid big bucks to keep Thompson and Curry, not to mention the big money contract Wigs has with them.
Look out for Golden State next year, with everyone back and being healthy and rested. They are also going to have a very high draft pick.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Matt Tait: At least three key questions remain on whether endorsements will be good for college sports:
There are alumni everywhere there, can’t that help or not?
The alumni will probably be the ones who are opening a whole nother box of worms.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2020 Transfer List:
@Marco said in 2020 Transfer List:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2020 Transfer List:
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Transfer List:
I’m kind of a broken record but if we have a spot the Sarr kid from Wake is really intriguing. Watched him a lot in the ACC and he can really play. Gained like 30 pounds before last season and went nuts.
Sarr is a nice player, probably best big man to hit the market so far, but I wouldn't even look at him. He's not better than McCormack, so Sarr would never start at KU barring injury. Then the next issue would be making room for Sarr on the roster which would mean forcing someone else on the roster to transfer to make room. Jossell, Muscadin, or Silvio would be the options there and none of those would be a smart long term option. As hard as Self fought to get Silvio eligibility, it would be a terrible PR look to recruits to pick one year of Sarr over one year of Silvio. Muscadin is the future 5 so it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to force Muscadin out for essentially a one year rental and have to try and find another 5 to replace McCormack with unknown sanctions looming.
The most interesting possibility is Latrell Jossell though. Sarr is a better player than Jossell, no argument there. KU is already thin for the future after this season at the 1-2 spots behind Garrett. Jossell is definitely a long term project and if KU were to decide to look elsewhere, it doesn't make sense to do so with someone whose ceiling at KU is a back up 5.
Like I said, Sarr is the best post player to hit market so far IMO, but KU doesn't need him and bringing him would do long term damage to the roster with what KU would have to do to bring him him.
Sarr is someone I see Kentucky making a very strong move in trying to bring in as hard as they went after Haarms.
That being said, if someone had to go I would choose Silvio, he's a bust - mark it. Jossell's 3 point shooting intrigues me. Let's not act like we're holier than thou, coaches can bolt without a minutes notice, as too can now players. If a player does not fit in, it is best for that player to go elsewhere. Silvio's head is not in the game, and KU is not a psychologist.
Sarr would have to sit a year I believe, and then would be a senior when he's eligible so you only get Sarr for one year. That's the key with why KU won't look at him. He wouldn't be at KU beyond McCormack to be the bridge from Dave to Gethro. He's also too good of a player to be a back up at KU, but he's also not better than McCormack so he would be a back up here. Silvio fits that back up role better.
I don't understand what you mean by Silvio's head isn't in the game because what I saw when he came back last season was someone who was still playing too fast because the game hasn't slowed down for him yet because he's still only played about 350 minutes of basketball in 3 years now. That's not his head not being in the game, that's lack of experience which I said before the season was going to be his issue and I don't remember how many people tried calling BS on that one, I do you were one of them however. If Silvio's head wasn't in the game, Self would've booted him from the team after the KSU incident. That incident is exactly the opposite of his head not being in the game, that's a case of him being too involved and letting his emotions get the best of him in the heat of the moment. That shows passion, not disinterest.
The other thing with Silvio is that he's athletic enough that if the light comes on for him, which it will if he gets 12-15 mpg, he's athletic enough to play the 4 and guard on the perimeter so he could play next to Dave if the light comes on.
I hope you're right, @FarmerJayhawk!
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2020 Transfer List:
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Transfer List:
I’m kind of a broken record but if we have a spot the Sarr kid from Wake is really intriguing. Watched him a lot in the ACC and he can really play. Gained like 30 pounds before last season and went nuts.
Sarr is a nice player, probably best big man to hit the market so far, but I wouldn't even look at him. He's not better than McCormack, so Sarr would never start at KU barring injury. Then the next issue would be making room for Sarr on the roster which would mean forcing someone else on the roster to transfer to make room. Jossell, Muscadin, or Silvio would be the options there and none of those would be a smart long term option. As hard as Self fought to get Silvio eligibility, it would be a terrible PR look to recruits to pick one year of Sarr over one year of Silvio. Muscadin is the future 5 so it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to force Muscadin out for essentially a one year rental and have to try and find another 5 to replace McCormack with unknown sanctions looming.
The most interesting possibility is Latrell Jossell though. Sarr is a better player than Jossell, no argument there. KU is already thin for the future after this season at the 1-2 spots behind Garrett. Jossell is definitely a long term project and if KU were to decide to look elsewhere, it doesn't make sense to do so with someone whose ceiling at KU is a back up 5.
Like I said, Sarr is the best post player to hit market so far IMO, but KU doesn't need him and bringing him would do long term damage to the roster with what KU would have to do to bring him him.
Sarr is someone I see Kentucky making a very strong move in trying to bring in as hard as they went after Haarms.
That being said, if someone had to go I would choose Silvio, he's a bust - mark it. Jossell's 3 point shooting intrigues me. Let's not act like we're holier than thou, coaches can bolt without a minutes notice, as too can now players. If a player does not fit in, it is best for that player to go elsewhere. Silvio's head is not in the game, and KU is not a psychologist.
@FarmerJayhawk I was thinking the same thing. Is he a soph, senior, what (I'm being lazy)?
@justanotherfan and there is the rub. What kind of endorsement opportunities will be available in New York and Los Angeles compared to Lawrence and Chapel Hill?
Who is the top recruit in Chicago in this class?